300ZXTT Vs. DC5R???

[2002 TeGgY]

hey guys,
my mate owns a twin turboed stock 300ZX and he reckons he can beat a DC5R on a track. what do guys think? btw both cars are stock.

[2002 TeGgY]

http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256124
this is what the nissan guys think lol

[Q_ball]

Still a stupid thread,

1/2 of em dont even know what the stats of a type r are!!

Majority of the posts are referring to a non-track situation.

Those that are referring to a track situation understand that the DC5R is a formidable competitor.

Beating a H22A pffft...
Seriously, a H22A in what car?? A lude?? A lude would get annihilated stock for stock against a DC5R.

The DC5R provides for a much better track racing package than any car with a h22a can offer.

edit: and to answer the question, it'll come down to driver end of the day.
Stock for stock, with the same driver, i would bet on the dc5r coming up with the goods.

[hui]

really depends, because your posting on a HONDA forum, most people would say the type r will win. there are many factors to consider... track layout, and driving exp, etc..

being a honda owner, i put my $$$ on the type r.

[bennjamin]

its the driver NOT the car

[Q_ball]

being a honda owner, i put my $$$ on the type r.

I'd shut down a honda if i thought it was going to lose,
I'm not sayin the dc5r will win due to the fact that its a honda.

The 300z is NOT a track prep car.
The Type R range from Honda is track minded,
Everything about its design is made to optimise performance on a track.

[compactr]

I used to build race engines for the privateers cup especially for a great friend of ours....he races a 300zx tt. Now the funny thing is i have alot of experince with both cars and ownig a type r myself puts this into a known perspective for me. Its true alot of factors are involved but quite honestly the z packs a punch out of the box. The type r without a good sense of judgement in a driver may experience a bit of wheel spin hence the shit take off but once it gets going it dies out at high speed. This is the Z's strong point. Another strong point is the Z is heavier and has more of a center balance and can take fast corners steadily. Anyhow i can ramble on all day but when its down to the 2.....definately the 300zx....its a legendary gt car and when nissan was deigning this car it was intented to be dominentnt on the track hence the imsa gt coupe.

Good luck teggy man, mind u for a tip though u better accelerate fast and clean out of a corner coz the z will catch up and before u know it u'll be seeing the taillights vearing away in the distance.

hope this helps.

Tommy


its the driver NOT the car

[2002 TeGgY]

I used to build race engines for the privateers cup especially for a great friend of ours....he races a 300zx tt. Now the funny thing is i have alot of experince with both cars and ownig a type r myself puts this into a known perspective for me. Its true alot of factors are involved but quite honestly the z packs a punch out of the box. The type r without a good sense of judgement in a driver may experience a bit of wheel spin hence the shit take off but once it gets going it dies out at high speed. This is the Z's strong point. Another strong point is the Z is heavier and has more of a center balance and can take fast corners steadily. Anyhow i can ramble on all day but when its down to the 2.....definately the 300zx....its a legendary gt car and when nissan was deigning this car it was intented to be dominentnt on the track hence the imsa gt coupe.

Good luck teggy man, mind u for a tip though u better accelerate fast and clean out of a corner coz the z will catch up and before u know it u'll be seeing the taillights vearing away in the distance.

hope this helps.

Tommy
thanks mate, but keep in mind that both cars are stock, and my mates one is a 4 speed auto. so does that change the variables abit?

[MRH-22A]

even with an R's awesome handling etc, i rekon the 300zxTT will kick any R's ass comin out of the corners and into the straights leavin the R behind tryn to catch up.

[Q_ball]

even with an R's awesome handling etc, i rekon the 300zxTT will kick any R's ass comin out of the corners and into the straights leavin the R behind tryn to catch up.

Depends on the type of track.
If both were on a tite track similar to Wakefield, then the Z will have no chance.

[CivicOnBoost]

Hmm i dunno about stock, i would probably go for the R.

There is a modified one that i race with and it has around 350hp atw and does 58's round QR sprint track, on the same day with ****ed tyres i was doing 61's, my car makes 200hp atw.... All depends on the track, if there is a lot of long straights the r will have no chance but if there isn't the r would win over the barge anyday.

[MRH-22A]

the 300's handling aint as bad as yoohz think. even on a tite track the R will have catching up to do.

thats just wat i rekon.

[dc2r_79]

hey there 2002 tegy,

ive driven both cars for a little while. I would say the z gave me a thrill more than the type r did. Mainly the reason is that it has alot of torque down low before boost spools up. Before you ask the zed was stock standard and it was a 2 seater. A slightly shorter wheel base but its brother the 4 seater would be better suited for track. Now out of honest opinion on my assessment of driving the two. Even though i love my hondas just as much as any honda nut, the zed would own you matey. They are a weighty car and have a very good center balance as mentioned by compactr they also have 4 wheel steer, i belive that was only with the turbo models.

stock for stock....depending driver the z would be the best bet.

only one way to find out go run with it for yourself and come back with the results....but dont make the hondas look bad either lol!

have a good one

Matty

[CONAN]

honda type r FTW!

[siksivic]

i dont think a stock 300 would last long on a track... all the ones i have seen overheat...and the stock one i was a passenger in handled like a boat..

[RIVAL]

the only way to settle these disscussions is to take both cars on track and race. i read both this forum and the nissan forum both forums obviously saying that honda is better and the other one saying nissan is better.

[Q_ball]

the only way to settle these disscussions is to take both cars on track and race. i read both this forum and the nissan forum both forums obviously saying that honda is better and the other one saying nissan is better.
Hence the reason why i deleted this thread originally... >_<

[2002 TeGgY]

Hence the reason why i deleted this thread originally... >_<
i just wanted to get everyone's opinion before going out to a track and spending all that money. i need to know if its worth it or not, thats all.

[EK4R]

i just wanted to get everyone's opinion before going out to a track and spending all that money. i need to know if its worth it or not, thats all.

so the point of you going to track is to prove the R is better than the Z ??

stupid reason to be going to track for.

go to the track and beat yourself first mate.

[2002 TeGgY]

so the point of you going to track is to prove the R is better than the Z ??

stupid reason to be going to track for.

go to the track and beat yourself first mate.
alright mate:thumbsup:
im sure people go to the track to race against themeselves. my mate challenged me and i was just wondering if there was a point to it, like if the r had a chance at all. i know for a fact that the z will sh*t all over me in a drag but i was wondering about on a track, thats all.

[Q_ball]

Yes you have a chance mate, a very good chance to so long as u know how to drive,
Track is VERY different to the rd or drag strip!

[TheSaint]

i find its the case of the giant vs the small scientist, the giant can stride further but the scientist can be much quicker

i typed out a rant three tims and acidently clicked back each so ill try wen i get home from work lol

[aaronng]

I think it's about even with the DC5R. On track, the DC5R will own it, even if the DC5R driver is slightly less skilled.

There is a reason why Nissan had the GTR along side the 300ZXTT. The 300zx was a cruiser while the GTR was the sports car. Just like why Honda had the Integra alongside the prelude eventhough both were 2 door, 2+2 cars. In the end, Honda killed off the Prelude, just like the 300ZX being killed off (does the 350z count? I think not since it is a 2 seater).

If you were talking about straight line drag racing, then the 300ZX should be quicker. Unless of course the car was poorly maintained and old age had taken its toll. Boost leaks, head gasket problems....

[JDC5R]

As a dc5r driver i am not even going to comment on this pitcular situation.

As many has mentioned before, if you are serious enough about the argument settle it on the track. But then i guess you can always say driver differneces apply.

Both cars are different and i rather not look on the side of which car pummels another, becuase really what do you get if you say that? A 2001 model beats a 1990 model? Hardly a fair fight, or the other way around A rwd car is faster then a FWD car? NO WAY!!!!

You see my point, even if you really win its not really that good of a win.

Have a good day at the track, fight it out, compare skills and you will notice that after that you might start comparing drive abilities as opposed to car abilities :thumbsup:

[ctn]

I put my money on the 300zx.

[2002 TeGgY]

whoops, i forgot to mention that i have semislicks as well.....

[wkdteg]

LoL haha yeah only after i reminded u :p

[2002 TeGgY]

lol, yeh thanks rami

[redliner]

f%^k discussion... this will go on n on... put on the track and ends a simple a vs b question. Most people would just say this will win without having driven the actual car itself, rather just reading specs. Too many conditions apply when it comes down to the point.

[Chi]

DC5R will definatly lose.

300zX has 2 seats, so its got to be lighter than the DC5R

[.::F[L]Y::.]

300zx looks like it drives like a boat, such a big car and heavy car around corners??

dc5r would probably win. considering ur mates car is auto, id say he has no chance.....

[wkdteg]

DC5R will definatly lose.

300zX has 2 seats, so its got to be lighter than the DC5R

ur basing ur weight comparison on a lack of a back seat? LoL 20kg max? i mean, its nothin 2 do with the rest of the car, but the only weight difference would b due to a seat? hahaha thats gold

DC5R weighs 1160kg (according to drive.com.au)
300zx wights 1585 kg (3494lb) (according to wikipedia)
thats a 425kg difference give or take!!!

[Chi]

Targa top 300zx's will be lighter once u take off the targa top.

so my statement of it beating the DC5R stands.

[DreadAngel]

Z32 = Boulevard Cruiser, hell lot of electronic problems, overheating problem and generally an ass hehe even though the shape is sexy, straight line of course its got BIFF!!! But around corners, I'm not convienced...

DC5R = Race orientated FWD Coupe, everything is performance orientated just add a bucket seat and harness you got yourself a basic weekend racer.

But as others have said, too many variables to say much, hypotheticals aren't going to get you anywhere just more arguements over crap. Get on the track and race damnit

[wkdteg]

LoL wow! another 10kg!
u really do know how 2 strip a car down dont ya ;)
not forgettin the zx has an auto slusher, and is bout 13yrs older than the dc5.
im lookin fwd 2 seein fady take this 1

[Chi]

ITs RWD and has a bigger engine with TT.

And it has bigger wheels than the DC5R stock.

So it will handle better and have quicker top end speed.

Thats why everyone wants bigger wheels

So its gotta be faster.

[redinteg]

^^ Crikey...thank god for the 'noob forum'

[2002 TeGgY]

ITs RWD and has a bigger engine with TT.

And it has bigger wheels than the DC5R stock.

So it will handle better and have quicker top end speed.

Thats why everyone wants bigger wheels

So its gotta be faster.

dude you cant be seriouse, bigger wheels!!!
as far as i know DC5R's come stock with light weight enkei 16" wheels, not to mention that im running semislicks as well. and top end speed doesn't really apply in a track situation unless there is a HUGE straight.

[andiiso]

bigger wheels made my bros DC2 slower, moved from stock to 17"

[a1086528]

dude you cant be seriouse, bigger wheels!!!
as far as i know DC5R's come stock with light weight enkei 16" wheels, not to mention that im running semislicks as well. and top end speed doesn't really apply in a track situation unless there is a HUGE straight.

it sounds like you already know you have a chance, so take it to the track and let us know the results.

[DreadAngel]

You guys are killing me hahaha!!!

[Chi]

dude you cant be seriouse, bigger wheels!!!
as far as i know DC5R's come stock with light weight enkei 16" wheels, not to mention that im running semislicks as well. and top end speed doesn't really apply in a track situation unless there is a HUGE straight.


look at jdm dc5r, comes with 17 standard.

should use 18inch or bigger imho for dc5r

bigger is better.

[Mr_will]

Another strong point is the Z is heavier and has more of a center balance and can take fast corners steadily.







umm...are you saying heavier cars handle better? i hope not

[DreadAngel]

*tries to not burst out laughing*

[.::F[L]Y::.]

ITs RWD and has a bigger engine with TT.

And it has bigger wheels than the DC5R stock.

So it will handle better and have quicker top end speed.

Thats why everyone wants bigger wheels

So its gotta be faster.

LOL yeh.....why do you think you see fully sik 19-20" wheels on jap sports cars............:p

[destrukshn]

you guys take things way tooo seriously. lol/
been in both cars, driven both cars.
stock for stock, dc5r will win, that is my opinion.
no i am not biased, lol. hondas are slow, i'straight out from factory. lol, no torque, excellent for what they are.

[DreadAngel]

Y::.;1015974']LOL yeh.....why do you think you see fully sik 19-20" wheels on jap sports cars............:p

Add a fully sik ICE setup to improve weight to power ratio :thumbsup: ;)

[Da1nONLY]

lol @ Chi....
getting everyone fooled...
tsk tsk tsk....sif tease the noobs like that...

[.::F[L]Y::.]

lol @ Chi....
getting everyone fooled...
tsk tsk tsk....sif tease the noobs like that...

hehehe i think noob questions deserves noob answers lol

wouldnt you agree keith?

[jdmlvn]

lol chi

[EuroAccord13]

Wait till the engine starts having problems.... 300ZX have engine issues and the layout makes it hard to work on it as well...

The only good thing is the air filter located in between the headlights.. That I like..... Well.. Besides the acceleration over the Integra.... On the track the R would rape the ZX..

[EuroAccord13]

Don't you know the saying?


The Driver must be more aggressive than the car............


80% Driver, 20% Car....

[[SDCTVE]]

zx's r heavy peices of shit... their very slugish and only good with top end...the type r would kick its ass on a track....i've ran a zx tt before and surprised the shit out of the driver... took him by 2 car lengths

[Chi]

Was this on the public road or on a circuit track..

If it was circuit track the ZX woulda munched you on corners.

[SiReal]

dont u mean the other way? ZX woulda muched you coming out of corners and straights?

type R is heaps lighter and hence more agile. plus FWD. logic :thumbsup:

[Chi]

So you are saying the DC5R (FWD) would out corner a S2K (RWD) ?

[Mr_will]

im pretty sure the 300zx would win because it has a better dash layout

[Chi]

Thats right Will, looks liek you know your stuff.

[SiReal]

no i didnt say that. I'm saying a DC5R would outcorner a heavy 300ZX (RWD). dont forget 300zx and s2k are very differnt cars. Read the thread title la :)

[SiReal]

If you also look at the thread made my Chris_F about cobra day, he managed to stay on the tail of a Cobra which is heaps more powerful, a bit lighter, but had shit sussy. Whereas the accord, a family car by design did a pretty good job. Its not always black and white

[Chi]

You tell me to read the therad tite, stop comparing different cars.

Hypocrite.

[Mr_will]

well when its black and white, we all know the black car would win. it would be worth knowing what colour the 300zx/dc5r is, because that would make a difference

[Mr_will]

You tell me to read the therad tite, stop comparing different cars.

Hypocrite.

have you ever raced a 300zx in your honda corolla type s?

[SiReal]

bah you guys are a waste of time. haha

[Chi]

have you ever raced a 300zx in your honda corolla type s?


I have, the ZX's are quick.

[Mr_will]

yeah, they have twin exhaust too. +50kwatw

[JasonGilholme]

ANSWER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XtaNVSKg4

Chi, stick to reading books man. :thumbdwn:

[[[d a n n y]]]

FWD vs RWD.

the 300zx is a nice little package. they are abit sluggish off the line but once it's off the line it'll build up speed quickly.. so point to point accleration the 300zx is much quicker. also conrnering do u guyz know that the 300zx is more stable through corners than a gtr? i found this very intresting but yes it was true. long tight corners were gtr's game. and tigh corners were better for the Z. so if u combine the acceleration out of conrners and the grip level of the car the 300zx should be a winner.

[dc2dc2dc2]

take to track and find and tell us all about it.

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