Impressed with my DC2R

[EG30]

Bought a DC2R from the East 2 mths ago and it arrived last week.

Very impressive car, better car than what I expected. Now I know what the fuss is all about from specialised motoring press such as Evo mag UK and the now defuct Performance Car mag UK.

We bought the car primarily to see what it is like to live with the DC2R ie noise levels, gearing, fuel econ, driveability etc before the go ahead to transplant a B18CR drivetrain in my EG Si hatch. I've driven a few of them while they were near new cars with their owners next to me, so hardly the way to test them to their limits.

What amazes us the most is the body rigidity of the DC2R shell, makes my EG with 3 strut braces + rear subframe reo bar feels like flex city! They weren't kidding when Honda claimed it has thicker gauge at strategic areas to improve body rigidity. Apart from the obvious rear bumper reo bar, I reckon the sills have thicker gauge steel and more spot welds throughout the car. Despite the stiff-ish suspension from factory the car feels solid and one piece when you go over speed bumps, reminds me of the Porsche 968CS though not quite as hardcore as that. When I jacked up the front wheel so it was about 100mm off the ground, the rear wheel was off the ground about 50mm!

It's not an easy decision to choose between keeping this very good cond and stock DC2R and mod it slowly down the track or to do a type R conversion on my EG. The EG would cost me a lot more and it will never be as rigid bodywise as the DC2R esp with the big hatch opening at the rear ( short of a full cage, strip the shell to baremetal and seam weld & foam fill chassis rails ) and no ABS. But I still much prefer the shape of the EG hatch, and it's a cult car with an underdog status.

One thing I've learnt from my time with our DC2R over the last week, I definately won't want an early typre R drivetrain with the 4.4 diff. The 4.785 diff gives good acceleration in the 1st 3 gears and I won't want any less than that.

In an ideal world I would like to have both cars but aside from $$$ constrains, parking is already a huge headache for me with too many cars apart from my Hondas.

[urbanracer.com]

congrats on ur purchase.. i'd keep the dc2r as is... honda have already spent the $$ in R&D making it a nicely balanced car! hope to see it at the next wa ozhonda cruise!

[DLO01]

Well done on your new purchase. :thumbsup:

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[Stoosh]

thats a heaps good diagram
i think that you should midly mod the DC2R (just basic I/H/E) and do the EG B18 transplant

[EG30]

Thanks for the king dick body diagram Deano, now it makes a lot of sense why it feels nice and rigid all round.
Incidentally we sourced our car from Qld for less than $19K and condition wise one of the best we've came across so far apart from front and rear bars need dent repairs+paint.



thats a heaps good diagram
i think that you should midly mod the DC2R (just basic I/H/E) and do the EG B18 transplant

Or save up more for a K20A conversion for the DC2R and hand down the drivetrain to the EG. That way the DC2R would really fly and I'll have a B18CR drivetrain with known history. Need to find $20K+ b4 I could dream about doing that though.

[chicken8]

f20c transplant

[Kazaf]

f20c transplant

i wouldnt mind :p

[Zilli]

Hey mate

they really are a lovely car, they do have there downsides (space, practicality) but nothing gives the smile factor that these things do when you get it right.

Thats why i find it really difficult to give it up as i cant really think of anyhting under 40k that gives me the same feeling (im not really a turbo guy), and ive had it for 6 years now

the only thing i would want to replace it with is an s2000 or late model rx7 (yes they are turbo but they still rev hard!)

[Speeder]

Hey mate

they really are a lovely car, they do have there downsides (space, practicality) but nothing gives the smile factor that these things do when you get it right.

For a 2 door sporty car, I find the DC2R practical over other 2 door cars.

[Zilli]

yeh

well im not comparing it to other 2 door cars

im comparing it to a sedan, a ute, a wagon a bus a semi trailer

the size of the front seats as much as i like them, makes it an ass to get people in the back

lucky i got a crew cab ute

[mj3610]

Thats why i find it really difficult to give it up as i cant really think of anyhting under 40k that gives me the same feeling
if i had time i would write u up a list of cars <40k that would give u a much better feeling.



(im not really a turbo guy)
pussy :p

[DLO01]

(im not really a turbo guy)

pussy :p

I reckon its the other way around. Turbos are for pussys. :thumbsup: :p

[ek4-guy]

hahaha so your pussy days are over Dean you goin to stay N/A this time

[Stoosh]

I reckon its the other way around. Turbos are for pussys. :thumbsup: :p

dont provoke MJ3610, he is only on these forums to stir more shit

[Zilli]

if i had time i would write u up a list of cars <40k that would give u a much better feeling.



pussy :p




if i had time i'd write up a list of reasons why i dont give a shit what you think

:wave:

[DLO01]

hahaha so your pussy days are over Dean you goin to stay N/A this time
Ha ha yeh,
Na I am just saying its more 'hard core' to go the NA mod route then to go Turbo.

[silver_screen]

more hardcore???

i dunno about u guys... but my 500rwkw rx7 is much more hardcore than my mates extensively worked DC2R which makes just ova 140kw @ wheels

It revs higher, accelerates so brutally (0-around 260 in about 9secs or less)

Handles better, brakes better, looks better outside... inside theres nothing lol (track car)

[DLO01]

Everyone has their own opinion, which is fine.

I don't care how much power someone makes.

"I" just think its more hardcore to modify the NA route, then to slap on a turbo for easy gains.

[silver_screen]

each to there own :)

[ON XTC]

^^ yes we all vtec lovers here

[panda[cRx]]

oooh that fd is noice :)

anyway who the fark buys a dc2r only to rip it's guts out? :confused:

[mrwillz]

i was finkn the same thing loz

[Lowa]

nothing beats a NA taking a turbo on the twisties, although i'd get a rx7 if i could at the drop of a hat, but the dc2r's are just so much fun

[silver_screen]

its not an fd

its a s5 fc (fat one @ that) :) thou, ive probably spent the same as a fd on it :/ thanks for the comment anywayz :D

and i love vtec too!! hence why my poor ed civic will cop a vtec upgrade in the future :)

[ek4-guy]

Everyone has their own opinion, which is fine.

I don't care how much power someone makes.

"I" just think its more hardcore to modify the NA route, then to slap on a turbo for easy gains.

I totally i agree with dean on this one NA is not for the faint hearted or those without a spare savings account

[silver_screen]

neither is a 500rwkw turbocharged car

Whats so "hardcore" about an NA car?? namely a honda..?

[ek4-guy]

why exactly 500kw at the wheels ?

[silver_screen]

well thats because thats what my rotor makes... well just over

But answer my question.. whats so hardcore?

[qstoria]

why is this thread being over run by pointless squabbling about turbos and whats harder, faster, tuffer, or less gayer than the next? EG30 has started a good topic and generated some intelligent talk about his and others experiences with a DC2R yet by the end of page one its off topic.

as someone said each to their own indeed.. meaning a well built NA honda can be called 'hardcore' just as a turbo rx7 making 500kw can be.

theres no yard stick for hardcore etc. someone should make a thread discussing it though, just make sure u start it in the n00b section

[ek4-guy]

post dyno results

[Mst_Mugen]

more hardcore???

i dunno about u guys... but my 500rwkw rx7 is much more hardcore than my mates extensively worked DC2R which makes just ova 140kw @ wheels

It revs higher, accelerates so brutally (0-around 260 in about 9secs or less)

Handles better, brakes better, looks better outside... inside theres nothing lol (track car)

anyone can chuck a turbo into their car... the bottomline is, u take the turbo out of any turboed car, and any powerhouse honda NA (k20a or b18c) will chop that car up :wave: but then again, as Ryosuke said off Initial D: "if u have a certain aspect about ur car that ur opponent doesnt have, use it to ur advantage" :thumbsup:

[Zilli]

he dont need to post dyno result. 500rwkw is VERY believable for a turbo rotary... and id LOVE to own it

but there is a distinct difficulty, precision, MONEY and eventually JOY in making a motor with no artificial aids such as turbo or supercharging pull reasonable numbers.

Im not specifically talking about Honda's. BUT when you watch the tacho on a little 1.8 litre motor swing past 10krpm, im sure im not on my own here to say it gives a little horn in the pants. a normal motor SHOULDNT be able to do that!!!! :-)

puts a smile on my face everytime... its not about who beats who, because a 500rwkw vehicle will beat any Honda on this forum in a straight line AND around a track, lets not bullshit ourselves.

the thing is its what everyone loves... the rush of a turbo car is irriseistable, its a beautiful thing... especially a rotor... BUT there is an INSANE joy in a wild na honda motor spinning its little head off... i love that shit

go to youtube, type in VTEC and watch the first video... sorry i dont know how to find the link. listen to the violent changeover, and watch that tacho swing... thats beautiful too

to each there own fellas... we are all auto enthusiasts... who gives a **** where its from. Go to Summernats this weekend and watch them spastic V8's idling like the guys turning it off every 2 seconds!!!

[Da1nONLY]

he dont need to post dyno result. 500rwkw is VERY believable for a turbo rotary... and id LOVE to own it

but there is a distinct difficulty, precision, MONEY and eventually JOY in making a motor with no artificial aids such as turbo or supercharging pull reasonable numbers.

Im not specifically talking about Honda's. BUT when you watch the tacho on a little 1.8 litre motor swing past 10krpm, im sure im not on my own here to say it gives a little horn in the pants. a normal motor SHOULDNT be able to do that!!!! :-)

puts a smile on my face everytime... its not about who beats who, because a 500rwkw vehicle will beat any Honda on this forum in a straight line AND around a track, lets not bullshit ourselves.

the thing is its what everyone loves... the rush of a turbo car is irriseistable, its a beautiful thing... especially a rotor... BUT there is an INSANE joy in a wild na honda motor spinning its little head off... i love that shit

go to youtube, type in VTEC and watch the first video... sorry i dont know how to find the link. listen to the violent changeover, and watch that tacho swing... thats beautiful too

to each there own fellas... we are all auto enthusiasts... who gives a **** where its from. Go to Summernats this weekend and watch them spastic V8's idling like the guys turning it off every 2 seconds!!!

Good stuff!! :thumbsup:

[Speeder]

anyone can chuck a turbo into their car... the bottomline is, u take the turbo out of any turboed car, and any powerhouse honda NA (k20a or b18c) will chop that car up :wave: but then again, as Ryosuke said off Initial D: "if u have a certain aspect about ur car that ur opponent doesnt have, use it to ur advantage" :thumbsup:

^ Pretty lame comment. That's exactly like saying taking VTEC out of Honda engines. No need for a powerhouse to destroy a NA VTEC-less engine lol.

[Mst_Mugen]

^ Pretty lame comment. That's exactly like saying taking VTEC out of Honda engines. No need for a powerhouse to destroy a NA VTEC-less engine lol.

umm... the comment made was only a theoretical comment.. u say its a lame comment?? well, the lastime i checked, turbos was only a bolt on mod, although it does come stock on some cars, in the end, its just a bolt on ... i believe vtec isnt, u cant just bolt vtec onto ur car, its incorporated into the engine :wave: so how would u take vtec out besides altering the ecu on a K series engine?? do tell.... no ur shit before u try to correct ppl :thumbsup:

[Speeder]

umm... the comment made was only a theoretical comment.. u say its a lame comment?? well, the lastime i checked, turbos was only a bolt on mod, although it does come stock on some cars, in the end, its just a bolt on ... i believe vtec isnt, u cant just bolt vtec onto ur car, its incorporated into the engine :wave: so how would u take vtec out besides altering the ecu on a K series engine?? do tell.... no ur shit before u try to correct ppl :thumbsup:

Turbo set up on most, if not all cars are an 'incorporated' package of that specific car. From chassis design to braking power are all considered well in advanced. Yes a turbo is a bolt on accessory but its the whole package that makes a car. Vtec is a part of a specific Honda, using different cams etc, in essence as you say, they are also bolt on parts. it's a package. I think it's you who needs to go and learn your shit f*****g noob. Your theoretical comment is flawed from the beginning.

[Mst_Mugen]

Turbo set up on most, if not all cars are an 'incorporated' package of that specific car. From chassis design to braking power are all considered well in advanced. Yes a turbo is a bolt on accessory but its the whole package that makes a car. Vtec is a part of a specific Honda, using different cams etc, in essence as you say, they are also bolt on parts. it's a package. I think it's you who need to go and learn your shit f*****g noob.

sorry, i meant if u turbo a NON-turbod car, my bad... i know the first comment i made was a huge generalisation, there are many other factors involved, but the comment i made is tru depending on the situation..... keep ur opinions to urself (ie, thats a lame comment)... newaiz, im done :wave:

[Zilli]

so much SHIT on this site lately

[EG30]

so much SHIT on this site lately

Just a bit....and all I did was sharing my 1st thoughts on our DC2R.

[bennjamin]

Great thoughts on first impressions of a DC2R.
Arguably the finest "stock" car out there as a drivers car ~ and IMO this applies compared to anything else ive driven anyway.

this has ventured far beyond a persons impression to debates on a vaguely related topic as per usual.

As usual come on , reply if u have valid input relative to the first post and other DC2R impressions ~ not about turboed RWD's ?

[silver_screen]

he dont need to post dyno result. 500rwkw is VERY believable for a turbo rotary... and id LOVE to own it

but there is a distinct difficulty, precision, MONEY and eventually JOY in making a motor with no artificial aids such as turbo or supercharging pull reasonable numbers.

Im not specifically talking about Honda's. BUT when you watch the tacho on a little 1.8 litre motor swing past 10krpm, im sure im not on my own here to say it gives a little horn in the pants. a normal motor SHOULDNT be able to do that!!!! :-)

puts a smile on my face everytime... its not about who beats who, because a 500rwkw vehicle will beat any Honda on this forum in a straight line AND around a track, lets not bullshit ourselves.

the thing is its what everyone loves... the rush of a turbo car is irriseistable, its a beautiful thing... especially a rotor... BUT there is an INSANE joy in a wild na honda motor spinning its little head off... i love that shit

go to youtube, type in VTEC and watch the first video... sorry i dont know how to find the link. listen to the violent changeover, and watch that tacho swing... thats beautiful too

to each there own fellas... we are all auto enthusiasts... who gives a **** where its from. Go to Summernats this weekend and watch them spastic V8's idling like the guys turning it off every 2 seconds!!!



Very well said :) but i gotta admit something... my rotor does swing to 13k rpm... but i prefer my mates DC2R when that goes to just over 10k.. the sound of when the cam switches profiles is incredible and its something that my rotor cannot do.. i sometimes even think that i have more fun in my ed civic which regularly sees 8k rpm... i love the sound a n/a car(only some.. most sound terrible.. like holdens) has to offer :) its just simple amazing

[Zilli]

holy crap man, id love to see footage of that, is it making power at those revs? or is it just capable of swinging that far? Either way it must sound awesome!

Rocky from Pacs mx6 doesnt even hit 13k during there 7 second runs

[silver_screen]

yer because it doesnt need to lol. its a 20b for starters which means that its already got size on me. more torque less effort :) mines only a twin rotor as for a clip.. there is a clip of when the car made 240rwkw on 8psi on youtube

Its under Rx7 on freeway...

There r 2 clips.. one where it starts in 3rd gear and we hit roughly 240km/h then i back off and continue later only in 5th gear and hit just over 170km/h

The 2nd clip is just in 5th and i think we hit 190 in a very short time

Its not vtec sound but it sounds great nontheless :D

[Zilli]

nice clip mate

im sure it sounds a lot wilder now with 500rwkw...

youve been doing a lot of spending in the 7 months since you uploaded that vid!!!

got any new clips?

[bennjamin]

make a thread in the lounge about RX7's if you want.
Keep this chit chat out of real threads thanks

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