Airbag lights

[TypeG]

I am thinking of changing my seat to some better support racing seat for ages but the seat side airbag stop me doing that as the lights will show off once I unplug the wires from the seat. Are there any options to sove the warning lights problem?
Dont tell me the insurance will void my policy and thing like that as I have my way to deal with this.:cool:

My frd ask me to cover the lights of the airbag warning lights from the dash but I am too lazy to take everything off and cover it. Are there any fuse for individual airbag?

[SiReal]

I would be hesistant to mess with the dash/airbag light. If u really had to, u could probably (i dont know how tho) make some sort of loop device so when the SRS connector is plugged into this, it thinks the SRS circuit is complete. Might have to wait for ECU-MAN or sometone with infinite wisdom like that to reply ;)


or u could find a wrecked euro seat and rip out the SRS sensors from teh seat, plug it into your spare connector and put it under the carpet.

[EuroDude]

Remember that its illegal to remove Safety Equipment, i.e. Airbags.

So ur only option is to get new seats that also have airbags built in.

[TypeG]

Remember that its illegal to remove Safety Equipment, i.e. Airbags.

So ur only option is to get new seats that also have airbags built in.

thanks for that but I KNEW it already

[Chris_F]

alfa romeo 147 gta seats are an option they have an airbag built in, as are the seats in the new civic type R and some models of the r34 gtr

[TypeG]

I would be hesistant to mess with the dash/airbag light. If u really had to, u could probably (i dont know how tho) make some sort of loop device so when the SRS connector is plugged into this, it thinks the SRS circuit is complete. Might have to wait for ECU-MAN or sometone with infinite wisdom like that to reply ;)


or u could find a wrecked euro seat and rip out the SRS sensors from teh seat, plug it into your spare connector and put it under the carpet.

where is the SRS sensors in the seat?

[TypeG]

alfa romeo 147 gta seats are an option they have an airbag built in, as are the seats in the new civic type R and some models of the r34 gtr

I cant afford those racing seat with airbag......:(

[Chris_F]

bummer.... maybe keep your eye out at a wrecker

[TypeG]

i dun really care being illegal but just want to see if there are any way which can turn the airbag light off.

wrecker.... i dun think the seat in wrecker will be in good condition tho =(

[Tobster]

Besides the fact that it's illegal, I think doing without the airbags is a really bad idea.

Rather than replace the seats, why not go see a motor trimmer and see if they can bolster the sides more to suit...

If you can't afford to do it properly, don't do it.

[TypeG]

Besides the fact that it's illegal, I think doing without the airbags is a really bad idea.

Rather than replace the seats, why not go see a motor trimmer and see if they can bolster the sides more to suit...

If you can't afford to do it properly, don't do it.

as stated, i KNEW it is illegal.

I dont think replace some non-airbag seat is called "not doing it properly" because I am driving a car with no airbag everyday and ALL my previous cars only got dual air bags anyway. I know more airbags, the safer it will be but now I want a racing seat and I want to see if anyone got some solution for me about the lights.

[Tobster]

If it's illegal, it's "not doing it properly" IMO.

Saying you can't afford racing-style seats with airbags means you're tring to do it on the cheap.

You just shouldn't be doing it.

Like I said before, try a motor trimmer and see if you can get the seats (with the airbags) bolstered for more support.

Lots of race gear doesn't belong on road cars, with good reason.

[TypeG]

If it's illegal, it's "not doing it properly" IMO.

Saying you can't afford racing-style seats with airbags means you're tring to do it on the cheap.

You just shouldn't be doing it.

Like I said before, try a motor trimmer and see if you can get the seats (with the airbags) bolstered for more support.

Lots of race gear doesn't belong on road cars, with good reason.

just that those factory airbag racing seats may not have enough support as those bucket seats or even compare to those TypeR Recaros. Dont really want to argue if I can afford those racing-style seats with airbag or not as I DUN NEED those side airbags. I do thanks for you concern but I really want a proper racing seat only

[SiReal]

as for SRS sensor, i dont know, as I have never taken apart the seat. but if u look under (you already know), there is a clip. perhaps u could follow that clip all the way into the seat. me thinks its just a pressure pad of some sort that you can take out and put somewhere else in the car (i.e. under the carpet). so long as its still connected, teh airbags should still function.

oh and its ILLEGAL lol ;) jks

[ZEi20T]

disconnect the airbag and replace it with a resistor (of the same resistance as the airbag) to confuse the airbag computer and make it think an airbag is there still. if you do this and are in an accident, the insurance company wont pay out. you might also die or kill someone else.

[tony1234]

IMO it's just NOT worth messing round with changing the seats.

[TypeG]

disconnect the airbag and replace it with a resistor (of the same resistance as the airbag) to confuse the airbag computer and make it think an airbag is there still. if you do this and are in an accident, the insurance company wont pay out. you might also die or kill someone else.

thanks for the info..... I will look into it

[ZEi20T]

thats what they do when you want to put on an aftermarket steering wheel without and airbag on an airbag equipped car. the boss kit generally comes with the resistor to plug into the airbag socket.

anyway, ive measured airbags with a multimeter before, but ive been warned by other people to NOT stick any current onto an airbag as this can set them off. im only passing the warning on to you. so dont go sticking anything into it unless you 100% know the outcome.

but i have no idea what the resistance is of honda, or any, airbags. i guess they are all different

[ALN]

I am thinking of changing my seat to some better support racing seat for ages but the seat side airbag stop me doing that as the lights will show off once I unplug the wires from the seat. Are there any options to sove the warning lights problem?
Dont tell me the insurance will void my policy and thing like that as I have my way to deal with this.:cool:

My frd ask me to cover the lights of the airbag warning lights from the dash but I am too lazy to take everything off and cover it. Are there any fuse for individual airbag?

You could ask honda dealer to reset the ecu for the airbag light or use resistor method, since I have recaros on my car as well and I was advised these 2 options.

[TypeG]

You could ask honda dealer to reset the ecu for the airbag light or use resistor method, since I have recaros on my car as well and I was advised these 2 options.

so how you overcome this at the end?
Honda charge u anything for this?

[TypeG]

also use any of those methods, the front airbags still useable?

[EuroDude]

Have a look at this post:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=303314&postcount=8


SRS Reset procedure - it should be applicable to the euro

http://members.shaw.ca/evo79/smallsrs.jpg

[SiReal]

haha funny that, check this out

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58697

i just did the SRS ECU reset not too long ago. with nice clear pics.

[TypeG]

what is the point for resetting the SRS ECU?
for example after i remove the driver side airbag

[EuroDude]

^ so you can reset the SRS warning light, which activates if you remove an Airbag

[ALN]

so how you overcome this at the end?
Honda charge u anything for this?

I haven't got time to do that so I still have the warning light on my dash. I have spoken to dealer before and they told me to have the ecu reset could be done since the fundamental would be the same as you having trimmed your standard cloth seat to leather which if not done by proffesional, you must disable your seat airbag after. I have friend owned mazda 3 that also replace his seats and overcome the light on the dash by using resistor methods.
Both methods will only disable the seat airbag, only use different approach.

[TypeG]

thx for that andrew
stock seat is just not enough for track

[aaronng]

stock seat is just not enough for track

It is enough.

[TypeG]

It is enough.

totally no support at all for me
maybe i am too thin =)
my whole body is moving around all the time

[aaronng]

totally no support at all for me
maybe i am too thin =)
my whole body is moving around all the time

Use your left leg to brace yourself.

[TypeG]

Use your left leg to brace yourself.

lol i do of coz but sometimes my left foot is not fast enough to put back on the footrest after doing double clutching

[aaronng]

lol i do of coz but sometimes my left foot is not fast enough to put back on the footrest after doing double clutching

Why are you double clutching? Are your synchros already worn out?
If you are double clutching, I am assuming that you don't brake and downshift at the same time?

[TypeG]

Why are you double clutching? Are your synchros already worn out?
If you are double clutching, I am assuming that you don't brake and downshift at the same time?
synchros???
just to make the car more smooth when downshift in a high rev
just do a slightly gear match

[aaronng]

synchros???
just to make the car more smooth when downshift in a high rev
just do a slightly gear match
Heel-toe was enough for me on the track. A lot of time is left to put my foot on the footrest even with late braking.

[ALN]

It is enough.

I don't think stock seat have enough lumbar support to prevent your body movement on track. Since CL9 was made for luxury and street daily use, that's why honda made CL7 with recaro for more agrresive use.

[aaronng]

I don't think stock seat have enough lumbar support to prevent your body movement on track. Since CL9 was made for luxury and street daily use, that's why honda made CL7 with recaro for more agrresive use.

It has enough side bolster support. Lumbar support is for your lower back.
Bring your car to the track, and you'll find it enough. I reckon racing seats are for bling in this class of car where you can't generate high side G loads. If you generated enough to make the racing seat a must have, then I hope that you get a baffled sump to prevent oil starvation in your K series.

[ALN]

I went to track once before with stock seat that's why I know the stock seat won't hold your body on corner. I meant side support in my previous post.
It is not must have mod, but it is help your own comfort feeling on track. It is hard for euro cl9 to be track ready car since the configuration of the car is for street daily use, different story with DC5R or CL7. You could make CL9 to be track ready car but it requires deep pocket that's my point of view. :D
Can you tell us more about the oil pump you mentioned ? as I also knew that K series produces serious heat

[TypeG]

i have brought my car to track and that's why I want to change my seat for some private track day which has longer session and hints a better support seat will make you less tired and more comfort. If you think stock seat is more than enough.... obviously you havent turned the corner hard enough unless I am fat enough to make myself stuck on it =)

[aaronng]

I went to track once before with stock seat that's why I know the stock seat won't hold your body on corner. I meant side support in my previous post.
It is not must have mod, but it is help your own comfort feeling on track. It is hard for euro cl9 to be track ready car since the configuration of the car is for street daily use, different story with DC5R or CL7. You could make CL9 to be track ready car but it requires deep pocket that's my point of view. :D
Can you tell us more about the oil pump you mentioned ? as I also knew that K series produces serious heat
Which track were you on? Was it a high speed corner? I was taking the corner at 120-130km/h at max grip, but still not sliding to the side of the seat. Was in my friend's Civic and I was sliding out of his seat.

Its a baffled sump. Just a sump with baffles welded on to it so that oil doesn't get pulled to the side and cause oil starvation. Mugen makes one for the K-series. It should fit the Euro. Part no. 11200-XK5-S0N0, price at the US sites is US$400 without shipping.

Heat-wise, the engine is pretty hot. When moving, the coolant temperature doesn't go above 100 C but when stopped and idling with the heater on at full blast, it still goes above 110 C. That reminds me, I am wanting to get an oil temperature and pressure sensor & gauge setup if I am going to go to track more often.

[aaronng]

i have brought my car to track and that's why I want to change my seat for some private track day which has longer session and hints a better support seat will make you less tired and more comfort. If you think stock seat is more than enough.... obviously you havent turned the corner hard enough unless I am fat enough to make myself stuck on it =)

Well, if you are going for long sessions, then the seat will be good. I was doing 20 minute sessions, so there was a break time in between the 3 sessions to rest.

What tyres are you using on your Euro?

[ALN]

Which track were you on? Was it a high speed corner? I was taking the corner at 120-130km/h at max grip, but still not sliding to the side of the seat. Was in my friend's Civic and I was sliding out of his seat.

Its a baffled sump. Just a sump with baffles welded on to it so that oil doesn't get pulled to the side and cause oil starvation. Mugen makes one for the K-series. It should fit the Euro. Part no. 11200-XK5-S0N0, price at the US sites is US$400 without shipping.

Heat-wise, the engine is pretty hot. When moving, the coolant temperature doesn't go above 100 C but when stopped and idling with the heater on at full blast, it still goes above 110 C. That reminds me, I am wanting to get an oil temperature and pressure sensor & gauge setup if I am going to go to track more often.


I went to Winton. It is not fast track I only got 160 KM/h for top speed and probably 120-130 kmh on corner but since I used stock suspension and stock rims/tire back then make the effect worse for me inside the cabin using stock seat.


What's the effect cause by the oil starvation? the price quite expensive for this stuff though.

[aaronng]

I went to Winton. It is not fast track I only got 160 KM/h for top speed and probably 120-130 kmh on corner but since I used stock suspension and stock rims/tire back then make the effect worse for me inside the cabin using stock seat.


What's the effect cause by the oil starvation? the price quite expensive for this stuff though.

Stock suspension and tyres give you less side G. Because the car rolls, the force has a vertical component too. It's probably worse for TypeG since he has coils, but SS is still pretty soft.

If you have oil starvation, the bearings won't have lube and you'll end up spinning a bearing (or two). Here's a vid of a k20a-equipped Elise I found from k20a.org (from user iwilson) http://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Honda_death.wmv. But with street tyres or even semis, the Euro should still have enough body roll that there isn't enough side G to cause starvation, unlike an Elise.

A cheap way to help prevent this is to slightly overfill your oil (but not by too much).

[TypeG]

shit tyres which i want to make it worn out hopefully after the coming track and get some A048 coz i cbf to change rims and stuff =)

[TypeG]

I went to Winton. It is not fast track I only got 160 KM/h for top speed and probably 120-130 kmh on corner but since I used stock suspension and stock rims/tire back then make the effect worse for me inside the cabin using stock seat.


What's the effect cause by the oil starvation? the price quite expensive for this stuff though.

it should be ages ago since yr car is fully modified for a while

[Tobster]

Stock suspension and tyres give you less side G.

Just a minor aside to the conversation: I still find these comments about the Euro luxury in the Wheels handling olympics interesting (go to http://wheels.carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?ArticleID=1636358&TabID=501060)

Blistering lateral grip (0.87G) saw the Euro in 10th position overall in that test, ahead of both Commodore SS and Club Sport R8, as well as the Golf GTI and both performance 4WDs, plus the Liberty GT. The Euro’s performance is another nail in the coffin of the rather tired notion that AWD offers intrinsically superior grip. There’s 0.7 peak lateral G separating the Euro and the Liberty GT on the skid pan – a country mile in sheer stick-ability. Conversely, just 0.01G is the margin of lateral grip by which the Euro trails the mighty WRX STi – and the latter wears road-legal grooved slicks (albeit the same size) that affords it substantially more rubber on the road thanks to fewer voids in the tread pattern design.

[silver_screen]

effects of no oil.. hmmm how about bearing damage??? ive had plenty of cars comin into work with ****ed main bearings because of oil starvation

[tron07]

[QUOTE=aaronng;1030787]
If you have oil starvation, the bearings won't have lube and you'll end up spinning a bearing (or two). Here's a vid of a k20a-equipped Elise I found from k20a.org (from user iwilson) ftp://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Honda_death.wmv. [QUOTE]

Cant seem to download this... is it working? Maybe will try at home tonight

[aaronng]

Just a minor aside to the conversation: I still find these comments about the Euro luxury in the Wheels handling olympics interesting (go to http://wheels.carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?ArticleID=1636358&TabID=501060)

Blistering lateral grip (0.87G) saw the Euro in 10th position overall in that test, ahead of both Commodore SS and Club Sport R8, as well as the Golf GTI and both performance 4WDs, plus the Liberty GT. The Euro’s performance is another nail in the coffin of the rather tired notion that AWD offers intrinsically superior grip. There’s 0.7 peak lateral G separating the Euro and the Liberty GT on the skid pan – a country mile in sheer stick-ability. Conversely, just 0.01G is the margin of lateral grip by which the Euro trails the mighty WRX STi – and the latter wears road-legal grooved slicks (albeit the same size) that affords it substantially more rubber on the road thanks to fewer voids in the tread pattern design.

0.87 G is high on the street, but still too low to cause oil starvation.

[aaronng]

If you have oil starvation, the bearings won't have lube and you'll end up spinning a bearing (or two). Here's a vid of a k20a-equipped Elise I found from k20a.org (from user iwilson) ftp://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Honda_death.wmv.

Cant seem to download this... is it working? Maybe will try at home tonight

Sorry, I messed up the link. Just fixed it in my post above. Use this: http://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Honda_death.wmv

[ALN]

it should be ages ago since yr car is fully modified for a while

It's not fully modified though, but it was almost a year and so since then:D

[EuroDude]

Sorry, I messed up the link. Just fixed it in my post above. Use this: http://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Honda_death.wmv

:eek: ouch. wander how that happened.

[aaronng]

:eek: ouch. wander how that happened.

It's as I described. High lateral G when cornering, plus just before the corner, he brakes hard so the oil was shifted to the front and then to the side away from the oil pickup. His oil pump could also have been the older version which had a design fault. Anyway, that is what oil starvation can do. He spun the bearings.

[silver_screen]

geez.. i can hear the engine deteriorating so quickly, that breaks my heart :(

means someone like me has to strip it down and fix it... although if its just main bearings its not that hard... but by the sounds of that engine... crank might have been severely scored :(

[Edgeauto]

FYI most Honda SRS components use 2ohms as there resistance, you would also have to put a dummy resister in the seatbelt buckle tensioner, BTW use this this information at your own risk!

[longers]

sorry to revive an old thread.
but does anyone know if there is a plug
available so that the srs light doesn't light up?
cheers

[Accord Basic]

my friend was using a resistor to connect the loop then the lights go off, but he car is a civic type R.. please check with the workshop manual for the size of the resistor.

[longers]

you wouldn't have a pic of how it looks does it?

it is just a simple resistor that is plugged into ends of the plug?

[Accord Basic]

sorry I haven't seen how he done it, he told me that using the resistor (2 ohm?) to connect the plug. I will confirm with him next week. Sorry I couldn't give you full details ATM. I also using the bucket seat for my Euro as shown below my user name on left of the message. but I didn't fix the airbag light, I just leave it on.

[longers]

okay. confirmed it was 2ohms.
but does anybody know how many watts?