F20C powered BMW 3 Series

[Euro76]

Just wanna share this...I hope it's not a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICsrADnWFKU

[Mr_will]

original for sure, but seems kinda a waste considering the weight of the three series. power still isnt anywhere near an m3

[1900-hustler]

haha nice vid.. sounds good and the rpm goes past the redline rofl!

that chic is heaps annoying.. should have kicked her out of the door..

[Vlas]

awesome vid!

[ROLLED]

god damn that's the most stupid thing i've ever seen!!!

[aaronng]

The handling is very good.

It's a 318 E36 btw, they are reasonably light and since it has coils, is probably easier to drive, yet almost as quick as the S2000.

[Mr_will]

The handling is very good.

It's a 318 E36 btw, they are reasonably light and since it has coils, is probably easier to drive, yet almost as quick as the S2000.

wouldnt the s2000 still handle significantly better as it is mr as opposed to fr like the 318

[aaronng]

wouldnt the s2000 still handle significantly better as it is mr as opposed to fr like the 318

BMW's weight distribution is pretty good too and they have been doing that since the E30 age. From the BM clip, I can see that the F20C 3-series is easy to push without being bitten in the bum like the S2000. You should see the BM vid where Tsuchiya compared the difference between the S2000 and the Skyline coupe at 10/10. There is a tiny tiny fraction of time for you to countersteer to save the car before it spins.

[shebangs]

That dumb bitch needs a dick in her mouth and told to shut the **** up.

Cars cool, I dislike those e36's though. Only poor people who think they have class buy them, or even poorer people who buy them and put fake m3 rims on the.

[hunghing]

wouldnt the s2000 still handle significantly better as it is mr as opposed to fr like the 318

s2000 does not have an MR layout. Like the BMW it has an FR layout. The engine in the s2000 is placed nearer to the back (I think behind the front axle). The true MR layout can be found in cars like the NSX and Toyota MR2 where the engine is behind the cabin.

[Mr_will]

s2000 does not have an MR layout. Like the BMW it has an FR layout. The engine in the s2000 is placed nearer to the back (I think behind the front axle). The true MR layout can be found in cars like the NSX and Toyota MR2 where the engine is behind the cabin.

the engine is behind the front axle, in the s2000.

its mid engined.

[Drew]

Well to be completely accurate it's actually a FMR layout :P

Same as a Viper, RX7/8s, Vette, 599 and 612 etc etc

Where as the NSX, MR2 etc etc are the traditional MR layouts, and 911's being RR

But if you're not going to be picky about it then it's still a FR layout with the engine at the front of the car and driver

[IAMVTEC]

That dumb bitch needs a dick in her mouth and told to shut the **** up.

Cars cool, I dislike those e36's though. Only poor people who think they have class buy them, or even poorer people who buy them and put fake m3 rims on the.

Why so mean spirited? True that girl is ugly, dress like a ho and probably knows nothing about cars but shes only doing her job. Its her purpose to do what she does. If anything hate the producers for giving her that job.

And that E36 looks tough. I love it, it is much better looking than the current piece of shit E90 3 series. Now thats an ugly car.

[DreadAngel]

Nissan's newest cars are also Front Midship Rear Wheel drive too kekeke...

But like Drew said, its still FR not MR :)

If the engine is located right behind your driver seat then its Midship :)

[Mr_will]

well actually as long as its between the two axle ie not forward of the front axle, and not behind or directly on the rear axle, ala 911, then it would be 'midship'

[DreadAngel]

well actually as long as its between the two axle ie not forward of the front axle, and not behind or directly on the rear axle, ala 911, then it would be 'midship'

Awwww shhhh you kekeke :p

[incoming]

man i dunno about u guys
but all i could picture was reclining her seat back, ripping open that bikini and spreading them legs!

[dc2dc2dc2]

hahaaha that bmw is a beast !
and yes....she was struggling to keep her legs closed y0 ~ too much vtak

[Zilli]

wow

id like to see that eg with the f20c in action though

[Drew]

well actually as long as its between the two axle ie not forward of the front axle, and not behind or directly on the rear axle, ala 911, then it would be 'midship'

Lets really not split hairs over this...

[hunghing]

well actually as long as its between the two axle ie not forward of the front axle, and not behind or directly on the rear axle, ala 911, then it would be 'midship'

Whether a car is midship or not is cannot simply be defined by the position of the engine relative to the axles. A less confusing way of looking at it is by the position of the engine bay. The engine bay is at the front in an s2000 therefore it is an FR. As DreadAngel pointed out the s2000 has an FMR layout, which is a sub-category of the FR layout.

Furthermore the s2000 exhibits no characteristics of the MR layout and unsurprisingly handles just like an FR machine. MR (and RR) cars tend to lack front tire grip due to having a heavy rear. The s2000 does not have things like snap oversteers often seen in rear heavy MR cars.

If that doesn't convince you just have a look at any resources on the net or Gran Turismo and they will tell you the s2000 has an FR layout. *sigh so many posts on such a simple thing.

[Mr_will]

[QUOTE=hunghing;1104028]Whether a car is midship or not is cannot simply be defined by the position of the engine relative to the axles. A less confusing way of looking at it is by the position of the engine bay. The engine bay is at the front in an s2000 therefore it is an FR. As DreadAngel pointed out the s2000 has an FMR layout, which is a sub-category of the FR layout.

your way may be less confusing, but its also incorrect and pointless. the abbreviation FR stands for front ENGINE, rear wheel drive, not front ENGINE BAY, rear wheel drive.

the important point is where the engine is relative to the axles because this is what affects the weight distribution and handling characteristics

[aaronng]

Furthermore the s2000 exhibits no characteristics of the MR layout and unsurprisingly handles just like an FR machine. MR (and RR) cars tend to lack front tire grip due to having a heavy rear. The s2000 does not have things like snap oversteers often seen in rear heavy MR cars.

Looks like you haven't driven a 1999-2000 S2000. :) Have you even driven one?

[hunghing]

Looks like you haven't driven a 1999-2000 S2000. :) Have you even driven one?

Not sure on the year of car I drove. The way I was pushing it it didn't show any tendencies to snap oversteer when a few typical MR machines would have if I had driven it the same way. Which MR vehicle have YOU driven to compare to the s2000? :p


the important point is where the engine is relative to the axles because this is what affects the weight distribution and handling characteristics

Then how would you classify a vehicle with 70% of its weight behind the front axle but 30% in front. An MR because most of the engine's weight is between the two axles? Or an FR because it has weight in front of the front axle? The position of the engine relative to the axles will affect the weight distribution somewhat and often the handling to some degree but at the end of the day that is not how engine layouts of cars are classified.

I guess what I'm trying to say is by the general concensus an s2000 (or any FMR cars for that matter) is an FR and no manufacturer that would classify it as an MR. You'd have trouble finding any resources that indicates the s2000as an MR (apart from your own opinion;) ).

[Mr_will]

I guess what I'm trying to say is by the general concensus an s2000 (or any FMR cars for that matter) is an FR and no manufacturer that would classify it as an MR. You'd have trouble finding any resources that indicates the s2000as an MR (apart from your own opinion;) ).


the general CONSENSUS, as you have so tactfully misspelled it, is not really something that you, or i for that matter, are in a position to comment on.

i say its MR, because the engine is in the MIDDLE ie between the two axles, you disagree, let it go.

[hunghing]

The 'general consensus' is all the resources that reinforces my point and none that agree with yours.

Why all the hard feelings and getting pedantic over my mispelt English? I'm just a normal bloke strolling through the forums with my 0.002 cents.
Nothing wrong with being wrong. :p hehe just jokes

[Mr_will]

The 'general consensus' is all the resources that reinforces my point and none that agree with yours.



show me...

[IAMVTEC]

LOL!!

Reading this was great

Half the people were talking about the engine

Half the people were talking about the ho

hahahaha

[hunghing]

Just to name a few respectable sources...

Taken from the 2006 S2000 brochure from Honda Australia

Various engine-drive layouts were considered in Honda’s search for
the perfect sports car configuration. Detailed investigation revealed that
the front-engine, rear-drive layout was a natural choice to realise
the ideal 50:50 front-rear weight distribution ratio necessary to achieve
superlative handling and balance while ensuring superb traction
performance.

Taken from the News section of the American Honda website

The S2000 powertrain uses a front-engine/rear-wheel-drive layout.

Other easily accessible sources include Gran Turismo.


If you hadn't been so stubborn by disregarding the opinions of Drew and I you would have followed your own advice on your sig by searching. By doing that you would have been able appreciate that your definition is not shared by manufacturers or the general consensus and saved all these off-topic posts.

I would be more than happy to see sources specifying s2000 as an MR. But I think this post will end this once and for all so we can get back to the ugly jap girl. :p

[NeoNode]

Not sure on the year of car I drove. The way I was pushing it it didn't show any tendencies to snap oversteer when a few typical MR machines would have if I had driven it the same way. Which MR vehicle have YOU driven to compare to the s2000?
Driving them in Gran Turismo doesn't count ;)

[hunghing]

Driving them in Gran Turismo doesn't count ;)

HAHAHAHA How about NFS Underground? ;)