Mods for 13's

[0098]

(i did search but nothing on the first few pages, there probably was a similar topic somewhere)

Maybe this is noob or vague but anyhow..

Driver skill and variables regardless, What modifications would you eventually need to gain enough n/a power to run a mid 13 second 1/4mile pass with a b16a in a coupe/hatch without lightweight modifications ie removed interior/aircon etc.. Standard car.

Could you list it in order from what 1/4 mile time can be achieved with basic bolt-ons to what can be achieved with the more 'complex' modifications. A list in stages with brand name examples and cost (because i assume using brands such as xforce will take you longer to achieve your goals)

Basically id like to know what is needed for power to break into the high 14's , mid 14s, low 14s, high 13's, mid 13's

Example

CAI - brand names /injen / k&n - $300-$500
2.25 Exhaust - brand names -$
Headers- brand names -$

Good for High 14s

Add:
Clutch - brand - $
Flywheel- brand -$
Cams- brand -$

Good for mid 14s

Add:
Ecu & Tune
Valve sprins so on so on...

good for low 14s

ETC.. ETC.. upto mid 13.


(This is just an example i dont know what power these things would make thats why i am asking, im new to hondas and N/A my previous car was a 180sx i really have no idea)

[locote]

A bigger motor might help..
try a B18c or K20 swap.
im doing 14.2 with my unopened stock header B18c EG

[fatboyz39]

Lighten the car as much as possbile. ITS FREEE!!!

Once lighten, practice lauches and shifting.

[locote]

U will never lighten a car enough to drop 1.5 seconds...
And still drive it with no seats every day its just not practical...
His previous car was 180sx, guys with nissans dont usualy strip interiors when they go drag...
I imagine he means running 13s on full street trim...

It will take less mods to get a B18c into 13s rather than B16a...
It might be more expencive not by much to just upgrade to a B18c, but u will always make lot more torque with it...

[0098]

lol id like to know about what i asked hence why i made this topic.

[todas**t]

800 kilo car should get u into the 13 with that engine and set up with a good tuner, shit tuner will make your car run like a stock car with that mods...

[locote]

Sorry if i didnt answer it the way u wanted dude...
But to me thats the easiest way to have the power to get 13s,, the rest is up to u and ur driving capabilies

[0098]

im asking
what mods does it take to get high 14s
then
what mods does it take to get mid 14s,
then
what mods does it take to get low 14s,
then
what mods does it take to get high 13's,
then
what mods does it take to get mid 13's

In a street trim civic about 1115kg with a b16a.
only light weight mod allowed is the wheels.

this can eventually become a guide for future users who ask, brooo what do i need to run ' ... ' seconds.

Adrian from Toda had a topic with a list of mods needed for a certain amount of kw, but this is a bit different i think its in smaller steps and is more specific to 1/4mile time in a specific car with specific weight.

[todas**t]

gutter your car really light if not turbo hahaha :thumbsup:

[locote]

Ive seen a B16a EG at drags doin 14.7,, with SRI, 4-1 header(ITR), 2.5inch exhaust, vafc2 i think, and no interior.
I think thats as quik as you will get them with out changing internals and tunning...

[locote]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52398

bit of info there old thread but read a few others posted their results

[todas**t]

best thing is ask those people that have modified a b16a and ran it, better then just reading things u can do to acheive the power coz dyno figure can be alted....ive seen a minor mod b16a with cams and stock bottomend headers and other bolt on run into the 13s on a light car

[0098]

ill see if someone knows what i mean tommorow

[0098]

Maybe this makes it easier.

Ill use Adrians post for an outline.

#1 – Lightweight flywheel (Eg:??)
#2 – Heavy-duty clutch (Eg:??)
#3 – Lower final drive (EG: ATS)
#4 – Intake (CAI – Eg: Injen / Mugen) $300 - $500
#5 – Header + cat + cat-back system (Eg: Toda/ Mugen) $1200 - $1600
#6 – Type R camshafts / adjustable cam pulleys (Eg: ?? (optional)
Power output: 106~110kw @ wheels (Dyno dynamics- shootout)

approx cost for each individual part? (which good brand names)
Enough power for what 1/4 mile time?


#1 – Lightweight flywheel
#2 – Heavy duty clutch
#3 – Lower final drive (Eg: ATS)
#4 – Intake (CAI – Eg: Injen / Mugen)
#5 – Header + cat + cat-back system
#6 – Spec C camshafts / valve springs / adjustable cam pulleys / oil pump gear /

fuel pump - optional / fuel pressure regulator - optional / ECU / dyno tuning.
Power output: 114~118kw @ wheels (Dyno dynamics – shootout)

approx cost for each individual part? (any good brand name)
Enough power for what 1/4 mile time?

[claymore]

A 1115 kilo vehicle will need approx. 221 horsepower to get a 13.00 ET

Plug your weight and wanted ET in here and it will give you the HP you need, then just estimate how much you need to spend to get that amount of HP.

http://www.zerotohundred.com/amf/amfcalculator.htm

[0098]

cool so thats about 164kw at the wheels im assuming..
how realistic is that calculator?

[EG5]

Also remember to add driver weight too.
* full slicks tyres help when you race down the 1/4 mile*
I think if you wanna stay with full interior , just run the right slicks size*

[0098]

Quarter Mile Time - 14.486
-MPH Trap Speed - 93.30
-60ft Time - 2.120
-Tires - 15psi Kumho Ecsta V70A (205/50 r15)
-Car Year, Model, Body Style, Trim Level - 95 VTI-R hatch, EK, no rear seats
-Engine Code - b16a2
-N/A or FI - N/A
-Elevation or US State if you don't know - Sydney Australia, Western Sydney Internation Dragway
-Modifications - ITR cams, Skunk2 cam gears, JDM ITR 4-2-1 Header , 2.25 exhaust, Power FC, Cuso LSD, 4.929 FD, HKS HIPERMAX 2, 3.9kg flywheel, exedy organic race clutch

what comes after these mods?

[0098]

im over it!
looks as though you have to do 10 things and spend $6000 just to get .06 seconds faster

[TODA AU]

No offence, this topic is silly.
The difference between 14.9 & 14.2 is usually noithing more than practice driving.
We've built cars that driven well, can & do run 12's...
Some guys are good enough to do it, others are complete friggin retards...
With the same car & power, instead of 12's they run 14's...
Then they blame us for their inability to drive. lol... Go figure...
In any case,
Until you can drive the thing to the limit consistently,
IMO There is little point in a topic like this as it is only going to end in disapointment.
Maybe if you changed your ET prediction to MPH...
But even then you've got too many variables to accuratley predict mph by mph.

[grumpy rooster]

Atleast with a mph target you can "usually" run very close (within a few mph)to the same figure run after run regardless of your 60' time and ET.

Weight is the enemy of any drag car. Losing weight is easier (most of the time), cheaper and often nets larger reductions in ET than spending heaps of $$$$ on mods that only make small gains.

[Q_ball]

Lighten the car as much as possbile. ITS FREEE!!!

Once lighten, practice lauches and shifting.

Ditto, you dont need to spend or do shiet (mods wise, bar weigth reduction) to get into the high 14s.
Bone stock EK4 will get you 14.7 if you know how to drive.
All driver baby!

[0098]

i realised this topic is pretty dumb, maybe because it was like 2am.

Lets make this easy
whats 115kw at the wheels street trim cabable of with a good driver?

[grumpy rooster]

A mates H22A EG with similar power ran repeated 14.4's @ 96mph on street tyres. Street trim. No weight saving done.

With slicks it would go 14.1-14.2.

[barefootbonzai]

i realised this topic is pretty dumb, maybe because it was like 2am.

Lets make this easy
whats 115kw at the wheels street trim cabable of with a good driver?

like everyone has said, there's too many variables. if you want to know, take to down the strip and find out.

[Q_ball]

*big sigh* lol

[0098]

i dont have 115kw atw , my car is standard thats why im asking about these things.
A certain amount of power is needed to be able to reach a certain time.. Without driver and variables you know the car itself and the build should be cabable of a certain time.

If someone has 300kw atw and runs 13s, you know its really good for 11's.
so im wondering what 115kw atw is good enough for.


I dont know why this is so stupid or hard to get an answer for.

When manufacturors build a car they know what power to weight ratio will achieve what approx 0-100 or 1/4mile on paper. Without factoring in a shit or good driver.

[grumpy rooster]

The thing that everyone is trying to tell you though is that a given amount of power does not equal a certain time. There are many many other factors involved. eg. weight, tyres, driver, track, gearbox ratios, diff ratio, just to name a few.

For instance we have run a 12.45 with only 130fwkw. I know there are heaps of people with more power running less times. Your question does not cater for such scenarios. Each car is different, so each will run a different time.

Its what time a given combination will run, not a given amount of power.

[0098]

i understand that, but ive said street trim civic coupe and im not looking for a specific time, just an approximate.

A standard weight/gearbox/wheels/suspension Honda civic coupe with 115kw atfw is making enough power to be cabable of running approximately.... ?

[grumpy rooster]

Well then, if you go back a page and read my last post you will find an approximate time. ;)

[0098]

thanks

Now im wondering an approximate cost for this set up using decent brands

#1 – Lightweight flywheel $400-$600
#2 – Heavy duty clutch $300-$600
#3 – Lower final drive (Eg: ATS) ???????????
#4 – Intake (CAI – Eg: Injen / Mugen) $300-$500
#5 – Header + cat + cat-back system $2000-$3000
#6 – Spec C camshafts / valve springs / adjustable cam pulleys / oil pump gear / ????

fuel pump - optional / fuel pressure regulator - optional /
ECU / dyno tuning. $1200+

[barefootbonzai]

That's pretty much it, another 2 or 3 thousand for #6. You should probably sell your car and buy S13 or something. You'll hit your 13 sec in street trim no worries. Wanting to get your honda fast is a wast of time unless you actually enjoy it, cause the only good part is the journey. End of the day, it's just a shitty honda.

[fatboyz39]

115 kw atw won't get you into the 13's. You'll probably do about 14.5.

if you want power then turbo it.

[0098]

hondas are not shitty :eek:


approx - $8000 from pocket = approx 115kwatw = approx low 14's

conclusion of my ridiculous topic:

Less money/more power = Forced Induction.
(lol even though i already knew that or maybe not insurance/resale value/pretol?? HmMmMmm.)


Good waste of OzHonda bandwith :thumbsup:

Now do i spend more for less power just to stay true to my N/A roots that is the question...

to be continued.

[fatboyz39]

thanks

Now im wondering an approximate cost for this set up using decent brands

#1 – Lightweight flywheel $400-$600
#2 – Heavy duty clutch $300-$600
#3 – Lower final drive (Eg: ATS) ???????????
#4 – Intake (CAI – Eg: Injen / Mugen) $300-$500
#5 – Header + cat + cat-back system $2000-$3000
#6 – Spec C camshafts / valve springs / adjustable cam pulleys / oil pump gear / ????

fuel pump - optional / fuel pressure regulator - optional /
ECU / dyno tuning. $1200+

thats just cost for the item. Remember to include labour which kills the bill!

[BlitZ]

All u need is proabably a crazy final drive, breather mods and strip ya a/c p/s and you should net 13's.

it seems like u have a crazy budget.. get a k20.. done...

[Q_ball]

hondas are not shitty :eek:


approx - $8000 from pocket = approx 115kwatw = approx low 14's

Good waste of OzHonda bandwith :thumbsup:

Now do i spend more for less power just to stay true to my N/A roots that is the question...

to be continued.

Buy a type r (approx 101kw atw stock) - learn to drive well, and you'll have a low 14 second car already.

115kw atw can get you into the 13 bracket...you just need to learn how to drive.
Rather than mod ur car to go faster, why dont u focus on improving driver ability to make the driver drive faster and better?!

Jst a thought.

[0098]

yeh like whiteline swaybars lol

I just want to know the power is there, doesnt mean ill use it all the time..
just like ferrari drivers never reach 280km/h

[BlitZ]

i realised this topic is pretty dumb, maybe because it was like 2am.

Lets make this easy
whats 115kw at the wheels street trim cabable of with a good driver?
low low 14's in street trim

[BlitZ]

115kw atw can get you into the 13 bracket...you just need to learn how to drive.




Depends on which dyno ;);)

[.::F[L]Y::.]

loving these noob 'how do i get 13's threads' LOL

If you mod smart then you wont need to waste an obscene amount of money on your car. Like others have mentioned you can begin by making your car lighter. Also going back week after week at wsid wouldnt hurt either. its all about practise.

also to put that much money into a b16a i reckon is a waste of money.

[0098]

i agree, probably better to get one of those avo turbo kits like VUTs feature car.. 168.4kw!!

[claymore]

I don't think this is a bad or stupid question at all but maybe it belongs in the noobie section so everybody wouldn't be flaming him. The poor guy had a basic drag racing question and everbody is providing some good answers but flaming him at the same time. Why ? Everbody was a Drad racing noobie at some time and 0098 is at least trying to understand what he needs to do to get different times before he goes out and tries it. Everyone should keep up the good advice they are passing on but cut 0098 some slack with the flames.
Just my 2 cents:p

[0098]

:beer: ;)

[xtercii]

I reckon mid 13s in an em1 with full street trim including street tyres is almost unrealistic to do...

[barefootbonzai]

whoops a page too late

[locote]

He has already been told he has the wrong engine for starters...
If he upgrades it to a B18c he would hit 13s in a unopened motor..

[0098]

Wrong engine? lol Im not going to upgrade the motor or buy a new car
i have what i have, and i asked about what i have. How simple do some of you make it out to be, yeh just swap the engine or just buy a new car lol and thats that. Dumb advice seriously and is in no way related to my questions.
Ive asked what does it take to run mid 13's , i never said i want to run 13's.
The whole reason i asked for mods in stages is to see whats suitable for me in price range and if its worth spending the money and only going that little bit quicker.

ANYWAY THANKS EVERYONE LOL
Ive gathered bits and peices from advice i didnt already know (2-3posts) and have come up with what i was looking for.

Be sure to look out for my next topic lol

[BlitZ]

He has already been told he has the wrong engine for starters...
If he upgrades it to a B18c he would hit 13s in a unopened motor..

There is no way in the world that it can be done in an EK with a relatively stock b18 motor anbd gbox setup. (std weight)..

Thats saying it would be faster than and std ITR.. and ITR weighs atleast 20kg lighter than std em1 is in street trim.. (proven on scales of WSID)

[locote]

ok...
didnt realy know how much EM1s weighed

[Benson]

Very hard to get an n/a car to 13's, especially for a b16a. Your best option is to put an type R motor in there and stick on some bolt ons like headers, exhaust, CAI and mayb an aftermarket ecu.

Also u need to remember wat u pay for is wat u get, especially with bolt-ons.

Good luck with it..

[.::F[L]Y::.]

ppl seem to think by putting in a stock b18 it can do 13s. no wonder so many ppl who go out to do engine swaps get cut when they dont do those times...

[todas**t]

hahhahaah and also moding the engine with big power and run sh*ts time

[locote]

Maybe should learn how to drive their rides...

not hard to get low 14s with it..

[0098]

Very hard to get an n/a car to 13's, especially for a b16a. Your best option is to put an type R motor in there and stick on some bolt ons like headers, exhaust, CAI and mayb an aftermarket ecu.

Also u need to remember wat u pay for is wat u get, especially with bolt-ons.

Good luck with it..

lol seriously how can that be the best option.
Instead of spending that much money doing the conversion and bolt on mods with a type r engine not to mention labour then insurance and engineering certificate and im sure a few other hicups along the way, the money could be spent on the current motor and it would be faster than a type r motor with a few boltons.

And why would i swap a perfectly good engine in the first place to run less than a second quicker, what a waste of money and time.

[Q_ball]

You asked a pretty vague and debatable question,
Expect answers of a similar nature to be present.

[locote]

B16a would need a lot of mods and work to make same Hp and torque as a B18cR...
Dude only 1 way to find out what u need to do to get 13s and this take it to the track as it is now and come let us know what ur best time is...
Ur asking what to do to crack 13s but no one knows what u can pull with this car as it is...
If the best U can do is 16s as it is now then you will be spending $$$ to get 3 secs.
what if ur a hot driver and pull 14.5 then it wouldnt take much more to get u 13s..
Understand what i mean... u gotta know where u at now so ppl have a good idea of what ur car and u need to pull the times u want...

Were here to help each other not Flame ppl just cause their opinion seems stupid to u..

[iced]

You asked a pretty vague and debatable question,
Expect answers of a similar nature to be present.

^
what he said.

[0098]

B16a would need a lot of mods and work to make same Hp and torque as a B18cR...
Dude only 1 way to find out what u need to do to get 13s and this take it to the track as it is now and come let us know what ur best time is...
Ur asking what to do to crack 14s but no one knows what u can pull with this car as it is...
If the best U can do is 16s as it is now then you will be spending $$$ to get 3 secs.
what if ur a hot driver and pull 14.5 then it wouldnt take much more to get u 13s..
Understand what i mean... u gotta know where u at now so ppl have a good idea of what ur car and u need to pull the times u want...

Were here to help each other not Flame ppl just cause their opinion seems stupid to u..

Look man
A Porsche 911 GT2 has enough power for 11.7
now if i drive it and run 13s it doesnt mean shit, because it has enough to run 11s.
So what i have asked is what power would be needed for a b16a street trim honda civic to run mid 13's. Read my posts ive repeated myself 20times. This topic wasnt even about me running 13s ffs

So i dont know why people feel the need to post random comments such as learn to drive / swap your engine and so on and repeating comments.
Like ive said i figured out myself what i was after with the help of a couple posts which are related to my question.

My questions may seem to be ridiculous but its even more ridiculous when ive asked about A B16A , yet people say chuck in a new engine lol or buy a new car. Ive seen it in many other topics, its annoying.


You asked a pretty vague and debatable question,
Expect answers of a similar nature to be present.

It is a debatable question, but ive outlined specifics many times B16A Civic Full Trim. Yet people who can not offer any advice on what i am asking decide to throw in random comments about engine swaps.

[Q_ball]

It is a debatable question, but ive outlined specifics many times B16A Civic Full Trim. Yet people who can not offer any advice on what i am asking decide to throw in random comments about engine swaps.

Well if you're not going to accept the "improve driver ability" method, then turbo the focker so it produces 200kw atw, so both competent and bad drivers will at least do a 13.

[0098]

All i was after was something like this (with added brands and costs)
i shouldnt have even made this topic.

STOCK - LOW 15s

I/H/E - HIGH-MID 14s

ADD
Lightweight flywheel
Heavy duty clutch
Lower final drive
Intake
Spec C camshafts
valve springs
adjustable cam pulleys
oil pump gear
ECU Tune - LOW 14's

ADD
Type R Intake manifold & throttle
Ported head
Titanium retainers
adjustable cam pulleys
Hi power timing belt
fuel pump
Forged pistons 12.5:1
modified stock rods
fuel pressure regulator - HIGH-MID 13s

its not concrete information but ofcourse i know there is things to take into consideration.
reaction time, tyres, driver skill etc

[barefootbonzai]

well there's your answer. it's also about $20k later.

[dc2dc2dc2]

answered ur own question chief.

[0098]

i knew this from the beggining, i just was hoping someone could confirm my thoughts and maybe add a cost for each part as i dont know what half those things are worth or what brands would be good to use.

Then maybe it could be used for a guide to all the noobs who want to know what they need for so and so.

[todas**t]

yeh man your gonan need atleast 200 to get into the 13s in a b16a and that not easy at all if u wanna run NA turbo is the easy opion.....and wieght reduction b16a is lacking the torque...

[jdmTYPE R]

All i was after was something like this (with added brands and costs)
i shouldnt have even made this topic.

STOCK - LOW 15s

I/H/E - HIGH-MID 14s

ADD
Lightweight flywheel
Heavy duty clutch
Lower final drive
Intake
Spec C camshafts
valve springs
adjustable cam pulleys
oil pump gear
ECU Tune - LOW 14's

ADD
Type R Intake manifold & throttle
Ported head
Titanium retainers
adjustable cam pulleys
Hi power timing belt
fuel pump
Forged pistons 12.5:1
modified stock rods
fuel pressure regulator - HIGH-MID 13s

its not concrete information but ofcourse i know there is things to take into consideration.
reaction time, tyres, driver skill etc

the amount of money spent on that, sell your motor and box and get a type r setup cheaper and more fun and still have more money to work on the typer motor .... that will get u into the 13s.....

[0098]

http://www.vpsingles.com/pics/frypan.gif

[locote]

He has his answer this thread should closed!!!

[Q_ball]

Why are you so determined to mod/better the car, rather than yourself?
I really dont understand that.
Its cheaper than spending 20k.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

k20 ftw....

[BlitZ]

this thread cracks me up..

Go tyre kick a performance shop - all prices and advice drafted.

thats how i learnt.. haahh then call up all the wheel shops for good deals.. eheh

[BlitZ]

Some kient hand me some knowledge points.. !!

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Bore & hone – dummy head used
Deck cylinder block
Port & polish cylinder head
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Full cylinder head overhaul – includes 3 angle valve job & pressure test
Balanced & Blue printed engine

[0098]

Why are you so determined to mod/better the car, rather than yourself?
I really dont understand that.
Its cheaper than spending 20k.

Im not modding the car to be fast im just asking about it , curiosity..
if having a fast car was all i wanted, i would have bought something else.

Im not interested in bettering myself because i drive the speed limit and on normal roads. :angel:

[Twincam16]

Pretty fkn broad topic if you ask me.

[fishman]

Im not modding the car to be fast im just asking about it , curiosity..


that's about the sillyest thing i've heard for a long time. If you ain't modding your car to be fast, what are you modding it for then?

But then again, you ain't gonna do anything anyways. Silly 17 year olds.

[Q_ball]

Im not interested in bettering myself because i drive the speed limit and on normal roads. :angel:
Who said you had to drive illegally when you become a better driver?

[todas**t]

Im not modding the car to be fast im just asking about it , curiosity..
if having a fast car was all i wanted, i would have bought something else.

Im not interested in bettering myself because i drive the speed limit and on normal roads. :angel:


mite as well pray to god when your on the strip that he will push your car to go faster...

[BlitZ]

that's about the sillyest thing i've heard for a long time. If you ain't modding your car to be fast, what are you modding it for then?
.

.. bling bling brings you Ling Ling... ;)

[fishman]

.. bling bling brings you Ling Ling... ;)

does Ling Ling mean dick? lol

[BlitZ]

does Ling Ling mean dick? lol

ahahah..
its from that hot chick movie
the homie asian mom goes to her daughter...
"Ling Ling.. your forgot you bling bling"

[fatboyz39]

the amount of money spent on that, sell your motor and box and get a type r setup cheaper and more fun and still have more money to work on the typer motor .... that will get u into the 13s.....

thats wat i said before... a stock type R motor with bolt-ons would be more reliable than a worked b16a motor. Your re-sell value would be greater as well..

you will end up spending more with a worked b16a.. sell that off, make some money and get a type R conversion package and ur laughing! :p

[fishman]

lmao. Cause i was thinking sif a girl cares what cams you are running, lol.

[fatboyz39]

Im not modding the car to be fast im just asking about it , curiosity..
if having a fast car was all i wanted, i would have bought something else.

Im not interested in bettering myself because i drive the speed limit and on normal roads. :angel:

thats y u bought a honda... lol...

they are great for street, and when u want the extra power just hit vtec!

[BlitZ]

thats wat i said before... a stock type R motor with bolt-ons would be more reliable than a worked b16a motor. Your re-sell value would be greater as well..

you will end up spending more with a worked b16a.. sell that off, make some money and get a type R conversion package and ur laughing! :p

triple vouch for that:thumbsup:..

but if i had the extra bit more.. k20 over b18c5/7 anyday

[BlitZ]

lmao. Cause i was thinking sif a girl cares what cams you are running, lol.


you get one of those stickers...
Warning - Due to the gforce of the car its reccommended you remove your bra

[0098]

that's about the sillyest thing i've heard for a long time. If you ain't modding your car to be fast, what are you modding it for then?

But then again, you ain't gonna do anything anyways. Silly 17 year olds.

What am i modding the car for then? Im not, thats why i said
im not modding the car to be fast .

[0098]

Who said you had to drive illegally when you become a better driver?

why would i need to become a better driver to drive normally and legally on public roads? so i can accelerate quicker to 40 in a school zone? go around a round-a-bout faster?

Obviously by getting a licence i meet the requirements to drive.

[Q_ball]

why would i need to become a better driver to drive normally on public roads?

Obviously by getting a licence i meet the requirements to drive.

You must be really really young and naive, so i'll excuse your ignorance on the differences between obtaining a piece of overpriced plastic, and the ability to drive well.

[fatboyz39]

why would i need to become a better driver to drive normally and legally on public roads? so i can accelerate quicker to 40 in a school zone? go around a round-a-bout faster?

Obviously by getting a licence i meet the requirements to drive.

Its called driving school!

h22a type S FTW...K20 are gay!:p

[0098]

im actually 23 and i can drive well enough like i said.
The road is not a race track, i know how to change lanes park etc lol

There is no special driving skills for me to learn that i can put to use on a public road.

If i was tracking my car then id be concerned about techniques etc.. which i dont have.


I simply asked what was required for my car to have enough power to break into the 13second 1/4 mile.
I never said i want to race my car on the strip or actually do these modifications. It was a question simply out of curiosity which people took the wrong way and gave me driving advice etc.. I dont need the driving advice as im not doing this, people need to read and try to answer what is being asked if they can, rather than assuming something else and giving answers based on their assumptions. Maybe i insinuated at the start that i would be doing this, but i then made it clear several times later what i was asking and what exactly i wanted to know, yet people persisted with silly answers.

Its like me asking what colour is grass and getting answers like grass is shit you should concrete your backyard.

I know people had no bad intentions but it gets annoying, i know im to blame too.

Best if you lock this so it doesnt go in circles.

[BlitZ]

Its called driving school!

h22a type S FTW...K20 are gay!:p


the gearing on the thing is taller than centre point tower :thumbdwn:...
heheheeh but there is been good power coming from the h series these days

[BlitZ]

I simply asked what was required for my car to have enough power to break into the 13second 1/4 mile.

there is no simple answer..
there is a million ways to get there... and it will also depend on the driver..

dumb topic gets dumb comments..

Wack on full slicks and full zorst and heavy duty rear springs and cut back on maccas and you would already be very close to 13's

Else you can turbo
else you can cam
else you can remove things
else you can run nitrous
else you can run avgas
else you can work head and balance everything and raise compression
else you can modify crazy custom close gear set
else you can dream..
else upgrade engine
else remove exhaust
else upgrade to thinner glass and dry carbon panels
else redo the car is full dry carbon
else rocket laucher in the rear
else run no door, boot lid and tail lights

All the above could get you to 13's

Its all up to you..


I would personally (no budget) chose the dry carbon vehicle and seam weld the chasis running CTR glass with gutted interior..... get the weight down to like 700kg... guarantee 13 with stock b16a2...

FARK.. what an animal

[barefootbonzai]

I love these useless threads. Keeps me entertained all day at work. at least this guys admits he has no intension to do it.

[xtercii]

Hahhaha it’s absolutely amusing that so many all motor threads in this forum started off with smartass comments, then heated debate then shit fight and then gets locked.

[0098]

its not a dumb topic, i got my answer for ****s sake.

get over it now why are you still answering me lol

MY QUESTION ISNT DRIVER DEPENDANT LIKE I SAID A PORSCHE GT2 HAS ENOUGH POWER FOR 11s
IF THE DRIVER CANT DO IT THEN BAD LUCK, BUT THE CAR IS CAPABLE OF 11s

[BlitZ]

its not a dumb topic, i got my answer for ****s sake.

get over it now why are you still answering me lol


Bro... you FARKen drive an em1... we do it with class..

Just get some nice rotas, slam it.. recaros and we all go take pics.... we all look the same ahahaha

[0098]

lol @ go take pics

[.::F[L]Y::.]

hey theres a blue EM1 turbo forsale on carsales! Easy 13 sec machine right there yO!!

i think i answered his question LOL where my rep point?? hehehe

[fatboyz39]

weight reduction FTW....

You'll need a fully sick head with big cams, valves, springs, intake manifold, bigger t/b. Gearbox fully sick 4.9 fianl drive.

With that list of mods above youll might hit 13's. Oh get rid of teh bottom end and slap a b20. :p

[faijai]

i think u should buy a type r and sell ur car.
theres a yellow type r for sale for 26000 on here. it has jdm front. JDM YO!
easy 13 seconds.

[todas**t]

Nos!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[faijai]

here u go
buy this car
b18c7 power. easy 13's buy buy buy
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56788

[todas**t]

here u go
buy this car
b18c7 power. easy 13's buy buy buy
http://search.carsguide.news.com.au/news/find-a-car/power-search/search-results/car-details.do?make=HONDA&model=INTEGRA&make2=&model2=&make3=&model3=&keyword=&priceFrom=15000&priceTo=30000&body=&newBody=&transmission=&lifeStyle=&yearFrom=2000&yearTo=2001&location=NSW&postcode=&radius=&stockNumber=&sortFields=A&asc=true&pageNumber=&searchType=4&dealerId=&featureAd=true&vehicleId=113738&vehicleType=3

NO NO NO nos your car cheaper and faster...

[locote]

heheh...
y not start the clock half way down the track, or take a run up to the line so ur already doin like 80 when u start the race...
easy 13s:)

[todas**t]

thats wat i said before... a stock type R motor with bolt-ons would be more reliable than a worked b16a motor. Your re-sell value would be greater as well..

you will end up spending more with a worked b16a.. sell that off, make some money and get a type R conversion package and ur laughing! :p

i had to say it agian coz he didnt understand u that well....

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