Euro or GTi ???

[me_kevinly]

Hi Guys
i have had my current euro 05 for nearly 2yr already
i havent mod it much, just the bodykit

i recently was thinking of coilovers & wheels

but then again i have tried the new Golf GTI 3door and i love it

just want some opinion whether i should keep euro and upgrade parts or just get a new 3 door gti ?

Thanks
Kev.

[aaronng]

No matter what you upgrade, the Euro won't be as quick as a GTI (which can be easily upgraded with software). And the GTI's handling is pretty good stock.

If you don't mind a hatch and the quality issues with the VW, then go for it if you wish.

[Sensei]

Depends on what you want. They're 2 very different cars. If you're bored with the Euro and have money to spend, then go for the GTI, it's a good performer.

[aaronng]

Test drive the GTI properly though. The worst thing that can happen is you get the GTI and find out that it is similar in feel to the Euro (just a guess). LOL

[yfin]

Nothing wrong with the Golf but you will get better straight line performance from the Mazda 3MPS or Mazda 6MPS... I don't see enough difference in the performance figures between the Euro and Golf to justify a change (ie you are still well into the 15s over the 1/4 stock) - whereas the MPS Mazda's are really jumping up to a different level for a similar price.

[albii]

the golf GTI is a very classy car.
interior is nice, fit and finish is nice and the engine is pretty good but is it really 10 grand better than a euro luxury or 17 grand better than a euro standard? I think not.

[aaronng]

the golf GTI is a very classy car.
interior is nice, fit and finish is nice and the engine is pretty good but is it really 10 grand better than a euro luxury or 17 grand better than a euro standard? I think not.

The GTI without extras is $39,990 for the 5 door.

[Chris_F]

keep the euro and start doing some mods hehe

I've had mine for over two years and It still excites me as much as the first day I got it lol

[albii]

The GTI without extras is $39,990 for the 5 door.

go price one up like i did..with leather on road 50gs

[albii]

if you want hid headlights ,sunroof and other stuff the price just keeps going up.

[aaronng]

go price one up like i did..with leather on road 50gs

If you are speccing it up to the Euro Lux level, then it is only $10,000 more than the Euro. If you are comparing it to the Euro base with no leather, no HID and no sunroof, then spec it to the same.

[me_kevinly]

No matter what you upgrade, the Euro won't be as quick as a GTI (which can be easily upgraded with software). And the GTI's handling is pretty good stock.

If you don't mind a hatch and the quality issues with the VW, then go for it if you wish.

what to you mean by quality issue?

i was thinking of leather and sunroof only on a 3door, factory HID and rear parking are too expensive from VW

i test drive the gti last year it feels a lot more quicker than the euro and quality such as fitting, audio, and finish are abit better than euro

[h1coupe]

what to you mean by quality issue?




vw reliability sucks monkey balls!


I did not know that it was possible to even consider crapmobiles such as vw´s after owning a car like the Euro:confused:

[tony1234]

vw reliability sucks monkey balls!


I did not know that it was possible to even consider crapmobiles such as vw´s after owning a car like the Euro:confused:
Yeah,you hear about quality issues with VWs.Personally i wouldn't take the chance.Nothing worse than ongoing problems with a new car.

[tony1234]

MISSGTI has both cars??(03 Euro and GTI)I think.PM her,see what she has to say.:D

[Lukey13]

The Euro Luxury really is what the name implies - a classy, well-appointed, mid-sized, luxury sedan with a mild sports orientation.

The GTi is a totally different car - a small, sports, hot-hatch.

The decision comes down to what you're after in a car. I suppose I can understand you wanting to change cars as I've just done so myself - coming from a large, luxury, immensely-grunty and comfortable rear wheeled sedan to what I believe to be a mid-sized classy, well-appointed, luxury sedan with a little bit of sportiness. For me, the Euro Luxury Sat-Nav filled the gap between purchasing a new BMW 325i with an expensive options list, or getting a car that I could afford to fully option up myself.

If I was purely into performance for that price, I'd be looking at the non-leather Mazda 6 MPS for the same price. But that's just me.

[Type R Positive]

vw reliability sucks monkey balls!


I did not know that it was possible to even consider crapmobiles such as vw´s after owning a car like the Euro:confused:
The German's have higher manufacturing standards than the Japanese.

[xenfacta]

we've got both and the GTi is awesome. We've had no issues quality wise with the golf at all. The euro's ride is smoother (read softer) but the Golfs handling is awesome and the performance is definitely better. get the upgrade chip like we did and u get 188kw and 410nm. i would say get the golf.

[h1coupe]

The German's have higher manufacturing standards than the Japanese.

how come their cars are mostly crap when it comes to reliability then,
they ain´t doing something right?

and when your paying twice as much for a german car I think you would have the right to demand something that´s damn near perfect:car:

[tony1234]

how come their cars are mostly crap when it comes to reliability then,
they ain´t doing something right?

and when your paying twice as much for a german car I think you would have the right to demand something that´s damn near perfect:car:
I agree.German cars are overrated and overpriced!!!.There are some high end models that are awesome cars but you really pay for the privilege of owning one.

[aaronng]

The German's have higher manufacturing standards than the Japanese.

Go and look up BMW/Audi/VW/Mercedes reliability. They have their own special issues. With VW and Audi, it's the electricals.

[TypeG]

I have tested drive a Golf GTi before I bought my Base Euro, i found the golf is just over-rated by those magazines and the interior is crap. Maintain fee is gotta be $$$ and it is a hatch.

[tony1234]

we've got both and the GTi is awesome. We've had no issues quality wise with the golf at all. The euro's ride is smoother (read softer) but the Golfs handling is awesome and the performance is definitely better. get the upgrade chip like we did and u get 188kw and 410nm. i would say get the golf.
Golf GTI is made in Germany,other Golfs are made in Sth.Africa am i right?

[GReY_CVC]

No matter what brand the car is... I reckon for the first 3 to 5 yrs (under 100,000Kms) it shouldnt give you any problems if you take care of the car....

I would say the GOLF GTI.. EURO is nice but GTI would be more fun

[Tobster]

I think they're both nice cars and both have their legions of adoring fans -- but each car has its own unique traits (and those traits are what make people love them).

I'm sorry, but I always find questions like this a bit silly.
What do you like? What can you afford? Only you know what's going to work for you in the grand scheme of things...

[albii]

If you are speccing it up to the Euro Lux level, then it is only $10,000 more than the Euro.

no its not....go price it up then come back and see me.
it was like $44,000 plus hid $2,000 plus leather $3,000 plus sunroof $3,000 so it becomes $52,000 on road for a 5 door which is same in spec to the euro luxury.
and don't even bother to upgrade the rims as that will be another $3,500 thankyou.

[albii]

$52,000 for a hatch? no thanks

[aaronng]

no its not....go price it up then come back and see me.
it was like $44,000 plus hid $2,000 plus leather $3,000 plus sunroof $3,000 so it becomes $52,000 on road for a 5 door which is same in spec to the euro luxury.
and don't even bother to upgrade the rims as that will be another $3,500 thankyou.

GTI 5 door manual: $39,990
Metallic pearl paint: $690
Sunroof: $1,890
Leather: $2,990
Bi-xenon HID: $1,890
Stability control: $690

Total RRP: $48,140

Compared to the manual Lux Euro which is $40,990 RRP.

Even sat nav on the GTI is only a $2,990 option, which is cheaper than for the Euro which is a $4,000 option.

[80057]

my 2 cents would be VW's have very high maintenance costs, honda's are comparatively high against other manus but VW is even worse. (this came from a VW service manager) i have posted elsewhere i like the golf alot but as tobster said it didnt quite gel with my life which only i can really decide.

[UNLS1]

Golf Gti Ftmfw!

[me_kevinly]

Golf GTI is made in Germany,other Golfs are made in Sth.Africa am i right?

so far all golf are made in sth africa, only 3 door gti are made in Germany,
not sure about r32 tho

my budget was within 10k

i know if im going to keep my euro, i will buy coilover and wheels
and that will be $4000 already

so if i was to get the 3door gti
i will only get the option of leather and sunroof coz the rest are rip off

im still waiting to see if my family lets me coz from an asian family
my parent thinks its too much $$ for such a small car especially u can get the base model for $25000 and its kinda like downgrade from a large and lux car

i have checked the insurances, lucky its similar price to the euro

[me_kevinly]

we've got both and the GTi is awesome. We've had no issues quality wise with the golf at all. The euro's ride is smoother (read softer) but the Golfs handling is awesome and the performance is definitely better. get the upgrade chip like we did and u get 188kw and 410nm. i would say get the golf.

hey xenfacta
does the Gti save more fuel than euro?

[albii]

GTI 5 door manual: $39,990
Metallic pearl paint: $690
Sunroof: $1,890
Leather: $2,990
Bi-xenon HID: $1,890
Stability control: $690

Total RRP: $48,140

Compared to the manual Lux Euro which is $40,990 RRP.

Even sat nav on the GTI is only a $2,990 option, which is cheaper than for the Euro which is a $4,000 option.

you forgot to add the onroads for which vw do not discount.
$48,140 +$4,000 = $52,000 like i said .

[xenfacta]

hard to say. the euro is my mums car which does very short trips (about 6k to work then MAYBE to clients and shopping on the weekends) so fuel economy is not good. the gti on the other hand does longer trips and theyre usually at 4am and like 8 so no traffic again, better fuel economy. i know the average on fuel consumption over the past siz months has been about 10.5L/100 and that includes with the power upgrade and my and my dads heavy right foot

[Pumped]

The golfs are quite nice, Gotta love the fact there turbo from factory, Easy power to be had, nice looking cars to!

Be a hard decision, id probably lean towards the golf purely for the extra performance.

[BiLL|z0r]

Everytime I see a guy driving a VW I think gay. Prolly because our old next door neighbours boyfriend had a VW Golf (non-GTI). I think their are nicer/faster/better cars out there for the money and non-gay factor.

[Chris_F]

lol bit harsh don't you think?

I'm a huge fan of bmw, audi and vw - german cars are tops

[as001]

Hey kev,
Your gonna lose mad cash if you go the GTI from the CL9 for the difference in change over your better off bolting some mods for looks & performance with mods another fact/deterant your paying the Government more tax when you buy Euro made cars so in my opinion BANG THAT for a joke. But cars are a matter of the heart so if you really want the GTI do it its loads easier to tune turbos cars but you will pay more for services as well.

Good luck with your decision

[aaronng]

Hey kev,
Your gonna lose mad cash if you go the GTI from the CL9 for the difference in change over your better off bolting some mods for looks & performance with mods another fact/deterant your paying the Government more tax when you buy Euro made cars so in my opinion BANG THAT for a joke. But cars are a matter of the heart so if you really want the GTI do it its loads easier to tune turbos cars but you will pay more for services as well.

Good luck with your decision

There is no luxury car tax if the car is priced below $57,009.

[aaronng]

you forgot to add the onroads for which vw do not discount.
$48,140 +$4,000 = $52,000 like i said .

You can do the same for the Euro when there was low supply. GTIs don't get on roads discount because of the waiting list. And you don't say it to VW as discount. You just tell them you will spend only $50,000 and you want a GTI. You don't use a word such as "discount" in their dealership. :)

[Chris_F]

lol my sister walked into an alfa romeo and exotic car dealership (ferrari/lambo etc.) dealership and mentioned the word 'discount' quite a bit. She walked away with a brant new 147 gta with tints, leather, HID headlights, sunroof and selespeed transmission for $56,000 on road.

If your on a waiting list for a car though you can't really play hardball because they have no real incentive to sell it to you cheap.

Once they become more abundant/harder to move I'm sure you'll find a deal on them

[tony1234]

GTIs are more freely available now i think.

[Lukey13]

Everytime I see a guy driving a VW I think gay. Prolly because our old next door neighbours boyfriend had a VW Golf (non-GTI). I think their are nicer/faster/better cars out there for the money and non-gay factor.

What the?

:thumbdwn:

[sodaz]

The GTIs are very good cars. I test drove one last year. Excellent engine and lots of fun to drive. The only reason I wouldn't get one would be because of space and looks. Personally i think Golfs look a bit too "feminine" for my liking. The Euro looks way better imo. There's also not much leg room unless you move the seats all the way to the back.

[as001]

I think the Ford XR5 is a better pick then the gti if u were to go for a hot hatch over Euro (but the interior is quite bad) and theres a 3 month wait atm

[aaronng]

I think the Ford XR5 is a better pick then the gti if u were to go for a hot hatch over Euro (but the interior is quite bad) and theres a 3 month wait atm

I still prefer the GTI over the XR5......

[Miss_GTI]

GOLF GTi!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Wow.. how'd I miss 4 pages of this thread? Hmm.. yeh, I really liked the Euro at 1st, its still an aesthetically good looking car but the handling and power is so much better in the GTi. The quality and everything as well. Yeh, it is a pricey lil car, I never imagined myself buying 1, it was like a impulse buy? haha But yeh, no regrets, its a great lil car, every1 I've spoken to that owns a Generation V loves it!

But I think, comparison with Euro and GTi is sooo poles apart so like what ppl have been saying, depends mainly on the price u're willing to pay and what u expect from it. But ppl do say that once u drive european cars, its hard to go back to Japanese cars.. they just dont have the same feel of sturdiness, traction and control. And thats how I feel when I drive the Euro now, I prefer to drive my GTi, gear change is nicer and smoother, more power... oh and I actually think I get more km's out of my tank of petrol (depending on how hard I drive the car). And maybe servicing/parts are more expensive (haven't had my 1st service yet!) but it doesn't need to be serviced as often as the euro. :p

[aaronng]

And maybe servicing/parts are more expensive (haven't had my 1st service yet!) but it doesn't need to be serviced as often as the euro. :p

Yearly servicing gives a false sense of security. I've seen the heads of european cars which have 12 and 24 month intervals, and they are not pretty.

[Tobster]

I know I've mentioned this test before, but the Euro beat the GTi in Wheel's handling olympics (14th Euro, 17th GTi) -- but, like most of the comments here, there are great differences between the cars...

http://wheels.carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?ArticleID=1648596&TabID=501060

[_CiVIC_]

i'd get the GTi for sure... but don't forget, insurance will be higher, servicing + parts will be higher... ;)

[tony1234]

i think the Euro is a better "all round" car.it has a bit of everything.:)

[sendok]

go for euro bro!

[me_kevinly]

hmm.. i'll see
im going to put my car on the papers for sell in the a few weeks time and then if im can sell it i will get the gti if not.. than coilover and wheel
=(

like many ppl state i like the looks of euro
but i love the power and handling of gti !!!

[aaronng]

hmm.. i'll see
im going to put my car on the papers for sell in the a few weeks time and then if im can sell it i will get the gti if not.. than coilover and wheel
=(

like many ppl state i like the looks of euro
but i love the power and handling of gti !!!
It's not a big increase in power, but the torque of the turbo and the lighter weight of the car.

[80057]

goodluck what ever u do mate. its your cash.

xr5 is terrible on the inside IMO its got some good up and go, but being a ford quality aint there and i'd be worried about resale and reliability. was never in the equation in my books.

if u get a gti get DSG, lauch control is fantastic, i think someone said it looks abit feminine, i agree the back looks alittle girlie cos of the curves but the sides and front look good.

let us know how it goes.

[aaronng]

Oh and if you get the GTI, please get BODY COLOURED rear bumpers!
I keep seeing GTIs with unpainted black bumpers and they look terrible!

[tony1234]

hmm.. i'll see
im going to put my car on the papers for sell in the a few weeks time and then if im can sell it i will get the gti if not.. than coilover and wheel
=(

like many ppl state i like the looks of euro
but i love the power and handling of gti !!!
Try www.carsales.com.au I sold my previous car there.Plenty of keen buyers lurking around that site.:thumbsup:

[IAMVTEC]

Euro for sure..

Maybe its just for some asians, but we LOL when hear to pay 45000 for a VW hatch. Its ridiculous. I mean for around 50k you can buy a lot of good cars, a Golf?? No please.

[me_kevinly]

Euro for sure..

Maybe its just for some asians, but we LOL when hear to pay 45000 for a VW hatch. Its ridiculous. I mean for around 50k you can buy a lot of good cars, a Golf?? No please.

Thats what my family thinks!!!!

if im getting the gti i will get Manual 3doors in black

no need to paint the back ehhe

[aaronng]

Thats what my family thinks!!!!

if im getting the gti i will get Manual 3doors in black

no need to paint the back ehhe

If you don't get painted bumpers, they are matte black like those cheap cars. Eventually the sun will make the plastic turn grey and look ugly. Ask the dealer for body coloured bumpers if possible.

[Euro76]

$50K for a hatch is too much. Hmm I don't think 3 door Golf GTI / R32 sold here...the 5 door version I see on the road so far.

[aaronng]

$50K for a hatch is too much. Hmm I don't think 3 door Golf GTI / R32 sold here...the 5 door version I see on the road so far.

The 3 door is sold here. It's on VW Australia's price list.

[ALN]

$50K for a hatch is too much. Hmm I don't think 3 door Golf GTI / R32 sold here...the 5 door version I see on the road so far.

I have seen couple in melbourne CBD area with recaro option. It's damn hot hatch.

[Miss_GTI]

Yep...we got the first shipment of 3 door GTI in Nov last yr and I hear they are all gone-skiis... and we've always had the 3 door R32.

I mighta considered the 3 door if I had the option at the time, but I didn't.. thank gawd coz it would've make my decision when purchasing harder... I do like the convenience of having rear passenger doors and I dont have those ugly handles on the side of the headrests. 3 door = looks good, 5 door = practical... hmm can't win!

[btchia]

If you don't get painted bumpers, they are matte black like those cheap cars. Eventually the sun will make the plastic turn grey and look ugly. Ask the dealer for body coloured bumpers if possible.

I'm totally agreed, i'm always told passenger when i saw one on road, just can't imagine why pay so much money without painted at rear bumper, look crap from the back...:confused:

[tony1234]

I'm totally agreed, i'm always told passenger when i saw one on road, just can't imagine why pay so much money without painted at rear bumper, look crap from the back...:confused:
$50k for a car without painted bumpers!!!WTF!They've got to be kidding.:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

[itr025]

Was seriously looking to a GTi 5 door DSG before I bought the Euro. In the end the options killed the deal on the GTI. Leather + DSG alone took driveaway price to 50k+ with the salesman claiming only a few hundred to budge because if we don't buy it, someone else will. To get Sunroof, Xenon, Sat nav would've taken it to 58k - past RRP of a R32! That's easily 10k+ more than a Euro Lux + nav. If I wanted to spend that much over 50k, I'd have a top spec MY07 3.0 liberty to consider. Plus Euro is Made in Japan, GTi is made in South Africa.

All just made the Euro an easy decision.

GTi is a great all rounder, and DSG is awesome, but features/options/pricing kills it as a deal. Fully loaded for 45k I could stomach. But nearly 60k? you gotta be kidding.

[albii]

Was seriously looking to a GTi 5 door DSG before I bought the Euro. In the end the options killed the deal on the GTI. Leather + DSG alone took driveaway price to 50k+ with the salesman claiming only a few hundred to budge because if we don't buy it, someone else will. To get Sunroof, Xenon, Sat nav would've taken it to 58k - past RRP of a R32! That's easily 10k+ more than a Euro Lux + nav. If I wanted to spend that much over 50k, I'd have a top spec MY07 3.0 liberty to consider. Plus Euro is Made in Japan, GTi is made in South Africa.

All just made the Euro an easy decision.

GTi is a great all rounder, and DSG is awesome, but features/options/pricing kills it as a deal. Fully loaded for 45k I could stomach. But nearly 60k? you gotta be kidding.

exactly the point i was talking about...i priced one up and walked away shaking my head.it's good but not that good.

[aaronng]

I saw a red one with the unpainted red bumper today........

[tony1234]

Unpainted bumpers in this day and age,what a joke.Next they'll want to charge you for the air in the tyres!!!!

[as001]

the only reason i can think them not painting them from the get go is when i lived in Europe for a while not all the locals who park there cars on the street used there park brake (I thought maybe because of freezing temp's at night so it wouldn't be stuck in the morning) basically but if its a tight squeeze into a parallel parking spot they don't mind bumping bumpers to fit in its only reason i can think of not have bumpers painted i was totally shocked i saw this for the 1st time in Amsterdam it was like totally accepted as the norm or the latter being VW are cheap asses as one would think something like this should be standard on a 40k car.

Check out this park:

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/471

But how the hell would you get out of the spot!?!

[xenfacta]

i think the parking is one point but ive spoken to ppl who actually like the contrast on the bumpers........ hmm.......

[cvetko111]

Hi, Yesterday my friend who have GTI, and me whith accord type-s, we aranged a litle race. GTI is totaly stock, Accord- CAI typhoon and Header. We have a race 3 time over and over again, and every time, I with accord win the race. Then we switch the cars and the results are the same. But dyno is teling me that gti is faster because of the turbo, but in the race it isnt. THE END. accord rules :thumbsup: And after hondata I will past the GTI like the tornado. :D ps. sory about my bad language.

[me_kevinly]

accord type S?
is that the same engine as us(euro) in Aus?

[tony1234]

Lucky for us car buyers that the Japs entered the car market.Otherwise we'd be paying extra $$$ for everything from radio CD,colour coded bumpers through to A/C.Everything would be an option(like BMW).

[sodaz]

accord type S?
is that the same engine as us(euro) in Aus?

http://www.supercarsite.net/honda/accord-type--s/2003

Yes, it's the same engine as what we have here.

[cvetko111]

accord type S?
is that the same engine as us(euro) in Aus?

Yes, its the same engine. K24a, 190 hp, 223 N/m, only type-s is name in EU, and it is made in England.

[yfin]

Yes, its the same engine. K24a, 190 hp, 223 N/m, only type-s is name in EU, and it is made in England.

It is definately not made in England - all the CL9s are Made in Japan

[aaronng]

Type S is exactly the same as our Euro Sport.

[snYpz]

Type S is exactly the same as our Euro Sport.
yeh from the looks of it...
except cosmetically slightly different with the chrome grille trim in the type s.

[aaronng]

yeh from the looks of it...
except cosmetically slightly different with the chrome grille trim in the type s.

The chrome grill type S is for the 2003-2005 Type S. Our Euro Sport was only released in 2006, so it is the same as the 2006 Type S.

[cvetko111]

It is definately not made in England - all the CL9s are Made in Japan

He is made in peaces in Japan, and then shiped from Japan to England in factory of honda. Were all honda cars set peaces in one object that is called car, in my case and all europe, this car is accord type-s ( type-s is yust equipment ), whith K24a engine whith 190 hp and 223 Nm. :D

We also have accord caled sport, but that car has a difrent engine 2.0 liter whith 155 hp. Euro accord and accord type-s are identical cars. You can call them John and Doug but they are still the same cars. right :wave:

[sodaz]

The chrome grill type S is for the 2003-2005 Type S. Our Euro Sport was only released in 2006, so it is the same as the 2006 Type S.

I think they have the Euro R grill without the hood trim and badge.

[aaronng]

He is made in peaces in Japan, and then shiped from Japan to England in factory of honda. Were all honda cars set peaces in one object that is called car, in my case and all europe, this car is accord type-s ( type-s is yust equipment ), whith K24a engine whith 190 hp and 223 Nm. :D

We also have accord caled sport, but that car has a difrent engine 2.0 liter whith 155 hp. Euro accord and accord type-s are identical cars. You can call them John and Doug but they are still the same cars. right :wave:

No, they are shipped whole from Japan. Honda UK doesn't have an assembly line at Swinburn for the assembly of the Accord from CKD kits.

Accord Euro Luxury = Accord 2.4 Executive
Accord Euro Sport = Accord Type S

[cvetko111]

No, they are shipped whole from Japan. Honda UK doesn't have an assembly line at Swinburn for the assembly of the Accord from CKD kits.

Accord Euro Luxury = Accord 2.4 Executive
Accord Euro Sport = Accord Type S

I agree whith this. Accord Euro Luxury = Accord 2.4 Executive ,Accord Euro Sport = Accord Type S

I didnt know that. Thank you for information. My guys at the honda store tell me difrent story. I know that they deliver accord to me from the UK, but I didnt know that they shipped whole car from Japan. Thanx :D

[jaeyon]

golf gti without a doubt. best sportscar for 06 under $60000

[sodaz]

golf gti without a doubt. best sportscar for 06 under $60000

No way is it the best sports car under $60,000. You can buy an Evo or WRX sti under $60k. If you prefer a bit of luxury, you can go for the Liberty GT and that too is under $60k.

[industrie]

golf gti without a doubt. best sportscar for 06 under $60000

best noob response ive heard in 07. get yourself a WRX, EVO, 350Z , RX8 or Mazda MPS and the GTI will not even stand a chance

[jaeyon]

best noob response ive heard in 07. get yourself a WRX, EVO, 350Z , RX8 or Mazda MPS and the GTI will not even stand a chance

the mk5 golf gti was voted best sports car under $60000 by nrma and wheels magazine. if your judging up between an accord euro and a gti you obviously are after luxury as well as performance (not found in the euros i might add). a golf gti would chop a euro in half. id like to see your euro keep up to any of these cars.
have you even driven any of the cars you've mentioned? because you obviously have never driven a golf gti. a car is not just about performance, it should be an all round package. the rx8's are piss slow as well

[yfin]

the mk5 golf gti was voted best sports car under $60000 by nrma and wheels magazine. if your judging up between an accord euro and a gti you obviously are after luxury as well as performance (not found in the euros i might add). a golf gti would chop a euro in half. id like to see your euro keep up to any of these cars.
have you even driven any of the cars you've mentioned? because you obviously have never driven a golf gti. a car is not just about performance, it should be an all round package. the rx8's are piss slow as well

The Golf GTI manual is 0-100 in 7.2 seconds. Woop di doo can show you CL9s that have done same - like that is such a bullet time. Not fast enough if you are takling about other performance cars under 60k even as a 'package'.

[jaeyon]

yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels

[yfin]

yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels

It is good value no doubt and I am sure a hoot to drive -but I think you are tryng to get it to punch way above its weight if you think it is the best performance package under $60k. Potential for modding would definately be better than CL9. If it was me I would want something much faster otherwise the upgrade is really not that much different considering a stock CL9 in standard trim is doing 0-100 in 7.6. Handling in the GTI would most likely be better stock for stock - too much roll in the CL9 with factory sway. The power delivery is much more linear in the CL9 compared to a turbo so the driver feels like the turbo is much faster due to the power coming in waves...I like the GTI but would want more bang if I was uprgrading..

[TypeG]

the mk5 golf gti was voted best sports car under $60000 by nrma and wheels magazine. if your judging up between an accord euro and a gti you obviously are after luxury as well as performance (not found in the euros i might add). a golf gti would chop a euro in half. id like to see your euro keep up to any of these cars.
have you even driven any of the cars you've mentioned? because you obviously have never driven a golf gti. a car is not just about performance, it should be an all round package. the rx8's are piss slow as well

lol
you read too much magazine man.... golf is just over-rated by those magazine.. tested drive once and I decided not to go for this little car....
if it is rated as a performance vehicle, it is not that good while Euro is just a family 4 door sedan.
It is more potential for modding, but how much are they? those mod are $$$$$ even compare to those JDM parts which does the same job.
if you compare rx8,STI or EVO... golf wont even appear in the bottom of the list under 60k

[TypeG]

yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels

a golf auto is faster than manual doesnt mean Euro has to have the same... if you compare to manual... it is setup as a performance vehicle and with a turbo which only does 7.2 is not that good. Also $44k is only an entry level and it costs up to 52k for something similar to euro luxury....

[tony1234]

yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels
Option it up to Euro lux spec and it'll cost you a lot more than $44k.

[sodaz]

yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels

As an overall package it's a good car but as a performance car there's just too many cars that can beat it under $60k. Note the key word here is "performance".

I've driven the GTi DSG and it's very good but no where near WRX/EVO or even 350z in terms of performance. Although the RX-8 does 0-100 in about the same time as a GTi DSG but put them both on a windy track/road and the RX-8 will come out on top every time. The GTi is fast, but not THAT fast.

[jaeyon]

lol
you read too much magazine man.... golf is just over-rated by those magazine.. tested drive once and I decided not to go for this little car....
if it is rated as a performance vehicle, it is not that good while Euro is just a family 4 door sedan.
It is more potential for modding, but how much are they? those mod are $$$$$ even compare to those JDM parts which does the same job.
if you compare rx8,STI or EVO... golf wont even appear in the bottom of the list under 60k

i work at vw and ive driven both an rx8 and a wrx. i also own a jap spec s15 and used to own an xr6 turbo. have also driven a euro before. the original poster wants to decide between a euro and a gti, not wrx etc etc.
out of those 2 id go gti.

[sodaz]

i work at vw and ive driven both an rx8 and a wrx. i also own a jap spec s15 and used to own an xr6 turbo. have also driven a euro before. the original poster wants to decide between a euro and a gti, not wrx etc etc.
out of those 2 id go gti.

I think we all started referring to other cars because you said that the GTi was the "best sportscar for 06 under $60000". :p

[IAMVTEC]

GTI is the WORST sports car under$60000

[aaronng]

GTI is the WORST sports car under$60000

No it's not.

[jaeyon]

it was voted bestsports car under 60000, didnt mean it was the only sportscar under 60000

[TypeG]

I think we all started referring to other cars because you said that the GTi was the "best sportscar for 06 under $60000". :p


yea golf gti auto is faster then the manual and does 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. what does a euro do? not to mention the golf gti does that time stock. its also turbo so more potential for modding.forgot to mention the gti is priced at 44k on the road, significantly less then $60k yet still came out on top over cars such as the wrx and evo, as voted by nrma and wheels

i just refer to this as you said gti is better than those super cars. Also, i dun really care what u drove before but the fact that any of these performance cars PWN golf.:(

[TypeG]

GTI is the WORST sports car under$60000

this may stand if the condition is more than $40k && less then $60k:p

[h1coupe]

the golf is a hatchback that costs an arm and a leg and I´m quite sure that those of you that have tried owning a vw and have your head out in the sun and not up in you xxx, know that the maintenance of those pieces is unbelievably high.

so if you have to choose between a car that sits on top of reliability surveys all around the world, is considerably better equipped and is maybe slower by 0.1seconds 0-100, 1/4". or a small hatchback that has to bare the name vw, comes equipped with almost nothing compared to the euro lux(well it comes with seat upholstery that was stolen from your grandparents sofa) costs an arm and a leg to buy and maintain, which would you then choose?

and I must say that it says more then a little about a person if it looks at the stats and still goes with the piece of?

[h1coupe]

and then trying to compare it to cars like the evo, sti and rx-8, man you have to be kidding me.
from what german magasine did that survey come from?

[cvetko111]

If you are going to done good tuning on gti you must change turbo, piston kit, exaust, ECU change and some litle things. His turbo is way too small for some serius performance, and quallity isnt good as honda parts.:eek:
You will spent about some 8000$ on gti to have 300+ hp car. Then you have accord for the same tuning price you can get 350+ hp car. Accord have better serius tuning potential then gti.:cool:
In my country big tuners dont even look gti for some serius tuning. It is a over priced car whith poor potential of tuning. :eek:
Yes you can buy some chip for gti and get CAI and you will have 240 hp, but whats after?
Its all what you looking for. If you wana do some small mods, gti is a good choice, but if you wana bit of luxury and some serius tuning, k24 engine is the right way. And quallity of honda is much beter than golf. :honda: :thumbsup:
Your money, your choice :wave:

[VirIIx]

If you want to be different.. get a VW GTi... won't know till you try..

personally.. i don't think it's worth the value.. esp if you want to load it up with options.. last i did that when the car came out it seemed to have calculated it to be around 52K ... rrp of course..

[Chris_F]

cvetko111, as far as i know tuning the accords k24 to 350hp is going to take a hell of a lot more than 8k... the cheapest tunable ecu option atm is about $3k all up and then add a good I/H/E is $2.5k and you might get something like 200hp atw. It only gets more expensive from here on in.

Turbo cars are always going to offer better bang for the buck than an NA car if your purely looking at horsepower figures.

The gti is a great little car, if i was getting a hatch it's probably what I'd buy.

[Miss_GTI]

Honestly... I think these 2 cars are not to be side by side and compared because they are too different. If you were say, comparing the Jetta and the Euro, then.. ok, but the Euro and GTi are totally different category of cars and what it really comes down to, is how much money u're willing to part with for the knick knacks that u're getting for it. Like, what's practical for the person tossing them up? sedan? hatch? the need to have 4 doors for passengers? I already got the sedan, so the GTi hatch was practical for me.. it had the potential to load stuff from ikea coz i can flatten the back seats and "wagon-ise" it! haha

Yeh.. options cost money, here and there all adds up... think of them like mods, only u are paying the dealer for it and not some guy at the garage. The euro has what it has, ur options - add sat nav, a diff rim.. hmm, about it thats why it works out cheaper and like a better deal. Yeh, I miss having xenon lights on my GTi coz i didn't opt for it, but thats a personal choice i was willing to forgo.

I know someone who paid $60K for the BMW 120i... thats a little hatch too and no turbo (which means, doesn't have the performance potential as the GTi)..so why do ppl buy it? While we're here... why pay $60k+ for a 1.8L Merc? Same deal - ppl's personal preference and their own perception of "value".

I also think it takes more than just a test drive to really say how good a car is until u're driving it almost everyday and go back to what u were driving before.. lets see if u see a difference. Of course, u can, instantly really like a car, or dislike a car... but to really feel the car, takes more than a 10min test drive.

[me_kevinly]

Honestly... I think these 2 cars are not to be side by side and compared because they are too different. If you were say, comparing the Jetta and the Euro, then.. ok, but the Euro and GTi are totally different category of cars and what it really comes down to, is how much money u're willing to part with for the knick knacks that u're getting for it. Like, what's practical for the person tossing them up? sedan? hatch? the need to have 4 doors for passengers? I already got the sedan, so the GTi hatch was practical for me.. it had the potential to load stuff from ikea coz i can flatten the back seats and "wagon-ise" it! haha

Yeh.. options cost money, here and there all adds up... think of them like mods, only u are paying the dealer for it and not some guy at the garage. The euro has what it has, ur options - add sat nav, a diff rim.. hmm, about it thats why it works out cheaper and like a better deal. Yeh, I miss having xenon lights on my GTi coz i didn't opt for it, but thats a personal choice i was willing to forgo.

I know someone who paid $60K for the BMW 120i... thats a little hatch too and no turbo (which means, doesn't have the performance potential as the GTi)..so why do ppl buy it? While we're here... why pay $60k+ for a 1.8L Merc? Same deal - ppl's personal preference and their own perception of "value".

I also think it takes more than just a test drive to really say how good a car is until u're driving it almost everyday and go back to what u were driving before.. lets see if u see a difference. Of course, u can, instantly really like a car, or dislike a car... but to really feel the car, takes more than a 10min test drive.

nice saying

[me_kevinly]

anyone interested in a 05 euro here ? hehe

[cvetko111]

cvetko111, as far as i know tuning the accords k24 to 350hp is going to take a hell of a lot more than 8k... the cheapest tunable ecu option atm is about $3k all up and then add a good I/H/E is $2.5k and you might get something like 200hp atw. It only gets more expensive from here on in.

Turbo cars are always going to offer better bang for the buck than an NA car if your purely looking at horsepower figures.

The gti is a great little car, if i was getting a hatch it's probably what I'd buy.

My tuner I and me make a list of the parts for making the k24 the turbo engine.

ECU-autronic 1500 €
turbo garrett gt30 800 €
intercooler 300 €
Blow-Off Valves 300 €
exhaust 1000 €
carillo connecting Rods and wiseco piston kit 2000 €
other stuf, litle parts 500 €

This is the list for making 400+ hp cca $9000
you can do this all whitout carillo connecting Rods and wiseco piston kit for about 300-350 hp. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I forgot something!!! :thumbsup:

[Chris_F]

My tuner I and me make a list of the parts for making the k24 the turbo engine.

ECU-autronic 1500 €
turbo garrett gt30 800 €
intercooler 300 €
Blow-Off Valves 300 €
exhaust 1000 €
carillo connecting Rods and wiseco piston kit 2000 €
other stuf, litle parts 500 €

This is the list for making 400+ hp cca $9000
you can do this all whitout carillo connecting Rods and wiseco piston kit for about 300-350 hp. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I forgot something!!! :thumbsup:

your list works out be a bit over 6000 euros which converted into $au is over $10,000 or there abouts.

it also doesn't sound like any of these parts include installation and or tuning?

In australia at least tuning of such a setup would easily be over $600 and labour to build a motor and install a turbo kit would easily be over $2000

I'd say a more accurate figure for someone wanting to do a similar setup fully installed, on the road and running, engineered, legal (in Australia) would be $15,000+

[cvetko111]

your list works out be a bit over 6000 euros which converted into $au is over $10,000 or there abouts.

it also doesn't sound like any of these parts include installation and or tuning?

In australia at least tuning of such a setup would easily be over $600 and labour to build a motor and install a turbo kit would easily be over $2000

I'd say a more accurate figure for someone wanting to do a similar setup fully installed, on the road and running, engineered, legal (in Australia) would be $15,000+

I didnt say ( forget ) that the instalation and tuning are included into a price. And I foget to convert the US $ into AU $. :confused:
Yes in your country is a bit difrence then in my country. Our police isnt doing anything about that question? So you can do whit engine and car what ever you want and drive normaly on the street.:eek:
We have lots of car like opel astra 97, civic 93, yugo 90, seat ibiza and leon 98, golf 2 and 3,suzuki swift 91 ( years ). And all this cars have about 300-450 hp on the wheel, and they are all street legal and drive normaly on the street. :eek:
It is a madnes on the road, but is fun to see how some yugo or suzuki swift worth about 6000 € ( whith all tuning ), left behind new porsche, subaru impreza, amg mercedes, and lots of other fancy cars. :cool:

[Chris_F]

hehe, cool what country do you live in?

I just thought I'd point out that you can't build a 350hp euro in Australia for $8000 in case other people read your post and thought that's what you were saying.

[cvetko111]

hehe, cool what country do you live in?

I just thought I'd point out that you can't build a 350hp euro in Australia for $8000 in case other people read your post and thought that's what you were saying.

sory I didnt say that I dont live in Australia ( it is a big deal, I see now ). I live in Croatia. And yes, you cant build that in Australia for that money, I agree whith you. I dont know your law in your country. But I will tel you a setup of my friends cars. All stock NA cars, now turbo.
Electronic-dastek piggy back( or other ) 550 €
Turbo garrett ( used )- 300-500 €
exhaust custom- 600 €
Blow-Off Valves- 300 €
Wastegate- 200-300 €
Intercooler ( used )- 200 €
tuning and moding ( friends, neigbour, uncle and... ) - 0 €
boost not higher than 0,6
results: cca 2500 €, 30-70 hp ( depends on the engine size ), all cars drive normally and they are street cars, used to go to work and for the street race. This a cheap version of tuning but ok if you dont have the money and you want the boost. :zip:
Most of this cars are civics 1.5, 1.4, 92 to 98 year. Yugo whith lancia 2.0 motors. Fiat tipo and some other small cheap cars that you can buy for 3000-6000 € and tuned up for 2000-3000 €. And you have small, very fast street car for some cca 7000 €. :p
Of course this is how amateur do tuning whitout the money but it is working. ( do not try this on Accord Euro ). Its not very smart move. Cheers. :wave:
I will send you some pictures on PM.

[Chris_F]

I think if Australian laws were so relaxed with modifications we'd be doing the same :P

Thanks for sharing the info - look forward to seeing the pictures :p

It's an interesting point though... for the $6000 or more you could save by going for the euro you could get a great suspension setup and an I/H/E that should let you keep up with if not out perform a gti.

Whatever you choose you'll have a really nice car IMO

[cvetko111]

I think if Australian laws were so relaxed with modifications we'd be doing the same :P

Thanks for sharing the info - look forward to seeing the pictures :p

It's an interesting point though... for the $6000 or more you could save by going for the euro you could get a great suspension setup and an I/H/E that should let you keep up with if not out perform a gti.

Whatever you choose you'll have a really nice car IMO
I agree whith you. Gti is a good car but is not a best car.

I dont see on PM how to attach pictures. So here it is on the public. Very fast cars. Let me explain litle bit.
This black opel astra have 450 hp on the wheel + nitro
Fiat fico orange one have about 300 hp + nitro
Yugo white with black hood has 2.0 t lancia engine with 240+ hp ( maybe more, didn see dyno )
Opel ascona have 3.6 twin turbo and belive me lots of HP.
Astra,ascona and fico are driving in 12 sec clas and under.
They all have lots of hp but the problem is drivetrain. They cant start normaly like example subaru, but after they are way to fast for subaru, porcshe, BMW and some other "fancy cars" on the street. Our best subaru has 550 hp and opel ascona beat him. It is a madnes. :zip:

ENJOY :wave:

[cvetko111]

sory,mising pictures from ascona. Her it is.

[yfin]

Those plates are from Croatia right? I was there recently.

[tron07]

Look like fast drag cars... I prefer fat cars with good handling too :)

[sodaz]

I agree whith you. Gti is a good car but is not a best car.

I dont see on PM how to attach pictures. So here it is on the public. Very fast cars. Let me explain litle bit.
This black opel astra have 450 hp on the wheel + nitro
Fiat fico orange one have about 300 hp + nitro
Yugo white with black hood has 2.0 t lancia engine with 240+ hp ( maybe more, didn see dyno )
Opel ascona have 3.6 twin turbo and belive me lots of HP.
Astra,ascona and fico are driving in 12 sec clas and under.
They all have lots of hp but the problem is drivetrain. They cant start normaly like example subaru, but after they are way to fast for subaru, porcshe, BMW and some other "fancy cars" on the street. Our best subaru has 550 hp and opel ascona beat him. It is a madnes. :zip:

ENJOY :wave:

WOW some mad looking cars there! :thumbsup:

[cvetko111]

Those plates are from Croatia right? I was there recently.

Yes they are. Where have you been in Croatia??

[cvetko111]

Look like fast drag cars... I prefer fat cars with good handling too :)

Some of them are made only for race but the most cars are daily driven cars on the road. I agree whith you, if this people have money for buying porsche, ferari or something else they will buy that because they are all around cars. This cars have big problems with drivetrain. Low money budget, but they are still making very fast cars. Litle bombs. :o

[0098]

haha Croatian drags!!

is that from INA 402 Street Race?

cvetko where do they sell performance parts.. ?
or does everyone get things from germany itd..

pozdrav

[Tobster]

Wait until July. Civic Type R has just been announced:

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=36543&vf=28&MiniSiteID=4

[Chris_F]

hehe i was told that it would be coming to Australia by a friend of a friend a friend that worked at Honda - they mentioned july aswell! looked like they were being truthful.

this is great news!

[industrie]

GTI is going to get eatin by the type R...well done honda!!!!

[IRI]

If that news is for real, it has just made my day:D

[curik]

I'd go for the GTI for sure. It surpasses the Euro in almost everywhere but boot space. Golf GTI DSG + leather + xenons , say 50k all up. the euro auto lux is about 45k all up. so 5k isnt that big, and you will be in the niche of one of the best hot hatches around. Equipment wise both are similar, the GTI may be lacking a sunroof but thats not something you can't live without right? On the other side, the build quality of the Euro isnt superior to the GTI either. I had driven a GTI before and all I could say is its amazing and makes me wanna sell my euro =p

[aaronng]

The deciding factor on whether to go for a CTR or a GTI is whether you can drive stick :)