WARNING! Thick rear sway bars on the Euro

[aaronng]

Just got this from tsx.acurazine.com. A member snapped his swaybar mounting point on his CL9! He was using a 22mm comptech RSB with ESP poly bushings (Comptech RSB used to come with softer rubber bushings)

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36339

Here's a pic from gsclifton, note that the mount is broken in 2 places as indicated by the arrows.

http://mysite.verizon.net/gsclifton/sway.jpg

[Zdster]

:eek:

Is this a common thing for the euro? Is the mount connected directly to the subframe?

[martizzle]

How long did he have it installed? oops should of read link

[bennjamin]

beats actual subframe tearout lol.
Still ~maybe a ASR brace for accords is in thew works...

[SiReal]

sheesh makes me think about changing back to stock sways...

[aaronng]

:eek:

Is this a common thing for the euro? Is the mount connected directly to the subframe?

Nope, this is the first time I've heard of. Usually it's the endlinks that break first. But now Comptech is supplying beefier endlinks with their kits, so the weakest "link" is now the mount.

[Euro1011]

Terrible!!!! Was thinking of installing the Whiteline 18mm swaybar but having seconds thoughts now. Has anyone install the Whitelin rear swaybar? What's your verdict on it?

[JasonGilholme]

I'd rather snap an endlink.....

[SiReal]

Well the 22mm is pretty damn meaty... 18mm should be OK imo.

[Chris_F]

totally happy with my whiteline 18mm sway bar and this is also the first case I've ever heard of this.

given the euro's lighter weight running an 18mm sway bar shouldn't be a problem on the stock suspension, even less of a problem with after market stiffer coilovers.

I'm not sure if the acurazine member in the states had stock suspension or not? If so the sway bar would be copping the full grunt of the body roll without stiffer springs to help it out.

He said he had it for 2.5 years though so he might not have had the reinforced endlinks, yet still had this problem?

it's all very interesting...

edit: just read he has tanabe coilovers looks like the 22mm sway bar and firm polyurethane mounts are a no no

[SiReal]

im curious as to how they will fix it. does this require welding much like a civic subframe or is the mounting point bolted on so just a case of replcament?

edit: just looked. will require welding...fuddggeeee

[aaronng]

Terrible!!!! Was thinking of installing the Whiteline 18mm swaybar but having seconds thoughts now. Has anyone install the Whitelin rear swaybar? What's your verdict on it?

Whiteline's 18mm is ok. I have that. No problems other than having to grease the bushings every 6 months.

[aaronng]

edit: just read he has tanabe coilovers looks like the 22mm sway bar and firm polyurethane mounts are a no no

Sad, the Progress 22mm RSB comes with poly bushes and that looked to be more promising than the Comptech because you could use aftermarket exhausts with it.

[Chris_F]

bummer, i don't think a 22mm bar is a risk I'm willing to take. It's possible to order one through whiteline for around the same price as the 18mm if you specify the dimension. Maybe a 20mm would be a good compromise?

I've had my bar for about a year now and haven't had to regrease the bushings yet - will it just start making noise when it needs some grease?

[JasonGilholme]

you'll get a bit of a squeek i think.

Is there anyway you can re-inforce the mounting points for the swaybar?? Maybe with an extra plate sort of like the HD plate that whiteline offer with the 22mm civic/crx bars??

[aaronng]

bummer, i don't think a 22mm bar is a risk I'm willing to take. It's possible to order one through whiteline for around the same price as the 18mm if you specify the dimension. Maybe a 20mm would be a good compromise?

I've had my bar for about a year now and haven't had to regrease the bushings yet - will it just start making noise when it needs some grease?

You'll get a loud twang sound when going over bumps or cornering hard.

[Chris_F]

well that makes it easy :D

[Pumped]

Mines got that noise i guess greasing is in order.
kind of noisy atm!

[EuroAccord13]

Geees that's bad, I hope my Whiteline RSB doesn't do that to my car!...

Therefore, sometimes, thicker isn't always better! (No not referring to your manhood..)

[tony1234]

Whiteline's 18mm is ok. I have that. No problems other than having to grease the bushings every 6 months.
Yeah i noticed this on the AZine site earlier.22mm RSB is obviously too thick.I've got 18mm as well had for 8mths.no problems.

[EuroDude]

:eek: fauk thats hectic

Meh a stock euro corners virtually as good as a wrx anyway (in terms of G-Force), no need to upgrade anyway imo ;) unless tracked

[badthing]

i get some thunking noise from the whiteline swaybar when WOT in 1st + 2nd, & sometimes over small bumps in the road or during cornering. does that mean mine needs greasing?

[tony1234]

i get some thunking noise from the whiteline swaybar when WOT in 1st + 2nd, & sometimes over small bumps in the road or during cornering. does that mean mine needs greasing?
Probably.a good test is over speed humps.If it creaks over them it needs greasing

[ALN]

I'm using Comptech RSB for over 4 months now and haven't experience any noise from it. How do you know if the bushing need to be replaced?

[yfin]

i get some thunking noise from the whiteline swaybar when WOT in 1st + 2nd, & sometimes over small bumps in the road or during cornering. does that mean mine needs greasing?

Tighten the end links - I don't think this is the bushes.

[aaronng]

Tighten the end links - I don't think this is the bushes.

If the endlinks are already tight, then regrease the bushes.

[Tobster]

Personally, I've always thought that 22 mm was too stiff a rear sway for a road-driven Euro anyhow.

Obviously it will depend on the type of metal used, but if you actually read Whiteline's information in the front of their PDF catalogue, they say that every mm DOUBLES the stiffness.

That means (in theory) that their 18 mm RSB is 4 times as stiff as the stock one! Imagine how stiff the 22 mm would be! I'm not the least bit surprised to see that it ripped the mount!

You have to have some flex in your suspension for it to do its job properly. Unless you're on a super-smooth race-track, suspension that's too stiff will cause the car to lose grip faster than a softer set-up (which is great if you're drifting, but lousy if you really want to corner fast and keep going!).

[SiReal]

yeah agreed ^^ i;ve got mega understeering now that the car handles so flat. but its just so much more comfortable around corners.

it really makes u think about getting better tyres.

[aaronng]

Personally, I've always thought that 22 mm was too stiff a rear sway for a road-driven Euro anyhow.

Obviously it will depend on the type of metal used, but if you actually read Whiteline's information in the front of their PDF catalogue, they say that every mm DOUBLES the stiffness.

That means (in theory) that their 18 mm RSB is 4 times as stiff as the stock one! Imagine how stiff the 22 mm would be! I'm not the least bit surprised to see that it ripped the mount!

Going from 14mm to 22mm increases the stiffness by 510%, 5 times.

[sendok]

i think 16-18mm sway bar already enough for daily driven euro.. if u want to track, that's a 22mm best for stiffness..

[aaronng]

Guess what? Case #2! Another TSX owner with the 22mm comptech and polyurethane bushings!

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36339&page=3

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/cell4less2u/DSC04995.jpg

[tony1234]

I don't think anyone here has the 22mm RSB(correct me if i'm wrong).I had the option of going thicker on mine if i wanted to but it was recommended to me to go 18mm.I,m glad i went 18mm.:eek:

[EuroAccord13]

Just checked the car, my Whiteline polyurethene bushes still looks oil and greasy... except for the usual dirt...

I was having a discussion with Aaron last night about reinforcing the mounting points.. I was thinking I weld a backing plate on the side (Where the stel is the thinnest) to stop the vertical forces breaking the mounts....

[ALN]

I don't think anyone here has the 22mm RSB(correct me if i'm wrong).I had the option of going thicker on mine if i wanted to but it was recommended to me to go 18mm.I,m glad i went 18mm.:eek:

I'm using 22 mm RSB, mate and it's been a while (4 months and so ) and works just fine, I don't experience any problem with it. I love the stiffness and i'm using it everyday.Not to sure how that happen to guys in states

[aaronng]

I'm using 22 mm RSB, mate and it's been a while (4 months and so ) and works just fine, I don't experience any problem with it. I love the stiffness and i'm using it everyday.Not to sure how that happen to guys in states

4 months is not long. :)

[ALN]

4 months is not long. :)

How long have they been using it ?:D it is my 5th month.

[aaronng]

How long have they been using it ?:D it is my 5th month.

The first poster:

This is what I found (see pics.) The right side (passenger) sway bar mount is broken. I have had the Comptech sway on for about 2.5 years and the ESP bushings on for about 15 months.

[sendok]

How about if we use beaks reinforcement for this case? i guess it will be helpful, or not?

[adammet04]

ive had my whiteline rsb (18mm) for 60,000 k's....

im still going strong..but will check out my euro to see if i can notice any issues..

the twang sound is VERY LOUD...

it was so loud i thought my car WAS coming apart

you will notice it..and yes regreasing them is the answer :)

[adammet04]

well mine is looking ok so far guys...everything looks like it should stuck together where it should be :)

[tony1234]

I think you'll find that the guys on Acurazine site with this problem both have a 22mm RSB which appears to be placing too much strain on the mounting points.I also don't think it's anything to do with the poly bushes or not greasing them up regularly.The bar IMO is simply too thick to run on the stock Acura TSX/Euro bracket that is attached to the subframe.I'm running an 18mm bar.had it on for 8 mths.15k.

[Min988]

Its been a couple of years now, anyone got any news on their comptech rear sway bars and how they been performing?

[integral90]

My Comptech 22mm rsb has withstood a hard Wakefield session and numerous Gorge runs, still going strong, about 20,000km.

[Min988]

What bushing are you running btw? Sounds good.

[integral90]

What bushing are you running btw? Sounds good.

LOL, the bushing it came with, cut down to fit the stock brackets :o

[racerwannabe]

I want a Selby swaybar. I've searched online and Selby dont have a website or listed in the yellowpages. However, I did get hold of Signature sway bars in Taren Point who claim to manufacture and sell Selby sway bars before the name was sold. Does anyone know where i can get the genuine one? Or have used Signature sway bars?

[traumatized]

i have a selbys adjustable rsb. i got it awhile back, called up the guy that i got it from but he no longer does parts

sorry dude

[racerwannabe]

i have a selbys adjustable rsb. i got it awhile back, called up the guy that i got it from but he no longer does parts

sorry dude

Thanks for calling...so your the one who bought the adjustible one off MChook?

[tony1234]

I want a Selby swaybar. I've searched online and Selby dont have a website or listed in the yellowpages. However, I did get hold of Signature sway bars in Taren Point who claim to manufacture and sell Selby sway bars before the name was sold. Does anyone know where i can get the genuine one? Or have used Signature sway bars?
I've got one 18mm.But the guy i bought it from isn't there anymore.:(.

[traumatized]

Thanks for calling...so your the one who bought the adjustible one off MChook?

nope wasn't me

[D R U]

I want a Selby swaybar. I've searched online and Selby dont have a website or listed in the yellowpages. However, I did get hold of Signature sway bars in Taren Point who claim to manufacture and sell Selby sway bars before the name was sold. Does anyone know where i can get the genuine one? Or have used Signature sway bars?


I got a one-off Selby 20mm less than a yr ago.

I'll see if i can find the phone number.

Their factory is in minto, that's where i picked mine up from.

[traumatized]

^ i think the factory that you are referring to was the whiteline one in minto, at one stage whiteline was selling selbys rsb's.

[Crapdaz]

whiteline bought selby's and have rebadged the bars to whiteline.

[dupac->]

yeahs selbys. the yellow sways bars.

[D R U]

^ i think the factory that you are referring to was the whiteline one in minto, at one stage whiteline was selling selbys rsb's.

Yeah selby's sold the factory to whitelines, then they bought it back.

So they can reproduce bascially any of the whitelines products.

[racerwannabe]

Ok thanks for the help guys..

If you want a Selby sway bar call 9603 0100 and they are located in Minto as DRU said. I believe the person who's running the show is Gary Cook.

The 18mm non-adjustible bar is ~$220 + delivery. They also have an adjustible one that is 22mm for $250 +GST.

BTW Signature sway bars quoted me $175 + delivery for the 18mm one. They are located in Taren Point and the contact is Todd Selby.

Cheers

[tony1234]

Ok thanks for the help guys..

If you want a Selby sway bar call 9603 0100 and they are located in Minto as DRU said. I believe the person who's running the show is Gary Cook.

The 18mm non-adjustible bar is ~$220 + delivery. They also have an adjustible one that is 22mm for $250 +GST.

BTW Signature sway bars quoted me $175 + delivery for the 18mm one. They are located in Taren Point and the contact is Todd Selby.

Cheers
Get the Signature bar.apart from being cheaper it'll fit straight up no problems,squeaks etc.If it's painted yellow(mine is)then it's a Selby.I've heard of Whiteline bars not fitting up and having to be forced to fit(not good quality control)

[Crapdaz]

+1 to tony's.
Get signature or genuine selby and if your willing to buy from overseas then Progress.

[racerwannabe]

Let me clarify this..i was told by the new owners of the Selby name that it was owned by Whiteline previously until it was sold recently so Whiteline no longer owns the Selby name!

Apparently the original owners of Selby sold the name to Whiteline but decided to use the Selby name and was taken to court of course and hence they are now know as Signature sway bars.

Tony1234 who did you get yours from?

[tony1234]

Let me clarify this..i was told by the new owners of the Selby name that it was owned by Whiteline previously until it was sold recently so Whiteline no longer owns the Selby name!

Apparently the original owners of Selby sold the name to Whiteline but decided to use the Selby name and was taken to court of course and hence they are now know as Signature sway bars.

Tony1234 who did you get yours from?
^^^Sounds about right.I bought mine from one of the Selby sons.He's no longer selling them.:confused:

[ORLANDO]

Ok thanks for the help guys..

If you want a Selby sway bar call 9603 0100 and they are located in Minto as DRU said. I believe the person who's running the show is Gary Cook.

The 18mm non-adjustible bar is ~$220 + delivery. They also have an adjustible one that is 22mm for $250 +GST.

BTW Signature sway bars quoted me $175 + delivery for the 18mm one. They are located in Taren Point and the contact is Todd Selby.

Cheers

Shit I got quoted $210 plus delivery from Todd Selby today for 18mm..........Minto is not trading atm..........also the stock RSB is 13mm on 5AT, I checked with a thickness gauge, so 18mm RSB would be around 200% stiffer.