Question about Suspension

[BraXta]

Heya guys... first asking questions post =D

I want to lower my car... but i dunno what type of suspension springs to get
Ive priced Pedders and Kmac..

But i want to know what you guys think... i want a nice spring set up

what are your guys opinion

[BiLL|z0r]

My advice would be to search the forum first, this topic has been discussed to death. If I were you though I'd save for coilovers as you don't want to ruin a good car with crap springs + it will shorten the life of your shocks.

[[ricer]]

my friend has eibach springs with bilstein shocks
i find it to be quite comfy
coilovers are overrated on an accord... your going to constantly adjust ur ride height or damper...?

[TypeG]

;1084770']my friend has eibach springs with bilstein shocks
i find it to be quite comfy
coilovers are overrated on an accord... your going to constantly adjust ur ride height or damper...?

lol
overrated
shock + spring is very close the the price of the coilover and you got extra features...
also u can adjust when you need to

[BraXta]

what you reakon i should get both Shocks and Springs ??

cause i was told that i wouldnt need new shocks and springs is all i need...

Im not too edumecated on the suspension side of things =P
ehehe

[Gibbo]

i had just the pedders springs with standard shocks - they were good for about 2 years. Now im running koni yellows - They are really nice. Ride is still firm but the arse end doesnt rattle when you push it hard in to a corner like it used too...
P.s. I also have the whiteline RSB and the Cusco Tower bar. They are a must even if you do nothing else...

[DLO01]

Straight up go for coilovers off one of the traders. :thumbsup:

Underground Imports:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50705

Max-Hondapower:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30918

Jdm Yard:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40975


You won't be disapointed.

[[ricer]]

lol
overrated
shock + spring is very close the the price of the coilover and you got extra features...
also u can adjust when you need to


a brand new set of good shocks and springs will probably be the same price as a cheapy set of 2nd hand coilovers...

[BiLL|z0r]

+ there's a weight saving with coilovers.

Remember the Accords actually run non-adjustable coilover's which is why the handling is so much better than most stock cars so why go backwards.

[sendok]

go with coilovers if you like fast and performance driving, but if you only drive slowly (e.g. using big rims), i think king spring or any spring enough..

[mr747]

go the coilovers trust me you wont be disappointed

[BraXta]

ok ill look into some Coilovers... why not =D

So the Euro runs coil overs normally... never knew that (and i never bothered lookin =P)

Thanks for the Assistance guys been really helpful making me glad i found this forum =D

[Merlin086]

I chose the Tein ss coilovers because I wanted adjustable dampening, but that was a step-up from my first choice of Koni yellows for the adjustable dampening as well.

But to my dismay back in mid January I was told that there would be no Koni yellows for the CL9 available for about 6 weeks. I had already bought my lowering springs, but managed to stretch my budget and bought a set of Tein SS coilovers from a Ozhonda trader at a great price.
The only benefit that I have is height adjustment, but with a 45mm drop alround, I'm sure that I will leave it at the current height.
But having the dampening adjustment is great if you have crap roads like I do!

[hooboy]

Do you need to install rear camber kit if you already have Tein SS Coilover?

[Merlin086]

Just depends on how much you drop, and whether you are prepared to wear out your rear tyres on the inside edge, personally I like maximum mileage out of my tyres at
$1000+ a set.
I needed the camber kit, with a 45mm drop to get the rear camber back to spec.
Just do a search like I did here to get the best info from other members experiences.
Being a supension novice myself a few months ago I have found other members comments invaluable to my choice of upgrade parts. (thanks everyone )

[BraXta]

cool no worries man thanks again guys =D been helpful

[mr747]

i didnt install camber kit i didnt need it and i have the same coilovers

[hooboy]

i didnt install camber kit i didnt need it and i have the same coilovers

How low is your drop? How is your rear camber?

I just wanting to be sure before making purchases that I dont need.

Cheers and thanks

[mr747]

there are pics somewhere on here

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...006/car003.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...006/car002.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...6/car001-1.jpg

[hooboy]

there are pics somewhere on here

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...006/car003.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...006/car002.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...6/car001-1.jpg

Couldn't open the link, files not found.
any other pics?

Cheers

[tknova]

It really does depend on how much you wanna drop your car.
I'm sitting on 19 inch wheels and the rear quater panel is sitting on the rim and the front is equal to the tread line

On the alignment table i was running -6 at the rear and -1 at the front

With the rear ingall camber kit i ajusted to -3.5 camber with zero toe (and i still had more ajustment for positive camber) at the rear which lessens the tyre wear a touch and still giving that cool negative camber look. (if you want it) :)

For the price of an ingall camber for which i think from memory is around $150.00 from JDM it's well worth it even if you just lower the car slightly you will be able to achieve an equal amount of camber at the rear as the left hand side on 05 models and below seem to create an extra 1 neg degree. Also able to dial in more positive camber when lowerd to achieve a less amount of tyre wear.

[Merlin086]

Couldn't open the link, files not found.
any other pics?

Cheers

Look in his previous posts for his pics, you can easily see the negative rear camber.

[aaronng]

For the price of an ingall camber for which i think from memory is around $150.00 from JDM it's well worth it even if you just lower the car slightly you will be able to achieve an equal amount of camber at the rear as the left hand side on 05 models and below seem to create an extra 1 neg degree. Also able to dial in more positive camber when lowerd to achieve a less amount of tyre wear.

Which seller was selling the Ingalls camber kit for $150?

[tony1234]

Get Eibach/Bilstein setup.(this is what i've got)IMO you'll need a camber kit as there is NO camber adjustment on the rear.I've got approx.35mm drop and without the rear camber kit i had 3 deg negative camber on one wheel.:)

[mr747]

ill send some pics tonight

Oh whats your email address

[mr747]

Look in his previous posts for his pics, you can easily see the negative rear camber.i didnt say i didnt have negative camber but its not enough to wear tires in 5000 or 10000s kms

[tknova]

Which seller was selling the Ingalls camber kit for $150?

My mistake on the camber kit, i paid $290.00 for it from JDM yard

Still a good price comparing others i have found and the ease of ajustability for toe/camber.

[Merlin086]

Just bought my Ingalls rear camber kit for $220 through my local suspension shop.
Sounds like I scored a bargain.............

[BiLL|z0r]

Was that installed or just the parts?

[Merlin086]

Just the kit of course, then installation and 4 wheel alignment after the coilovers went in.

All up total was $2200 for, supplied and fitted...

Tein SS coilovers
Whiteline RSB
Ingalls rear camber kit
Wheel alignment

[mr747]

My mistake on the camber kit, i paid $290.00 for it from JDM yard

Still a good price comparing others i have found and the ease of ajustability for toe/camber.TK i like your car i seen you cruising to willi a couple of months ago you sort of breaked when you seen me on Hyde st yarriville

[aaronng]

Just bought my Ingalls rear camber kit for $220 through my local suspension shop.
Sounds like I scored a bargain.............

Was that in NSW?

[Merlin086]

Sure was aaronng.

[_CiVIC_]

I've got pedders sports ryder springs in mine on standard shocks.. feels almost stock :D i'd definitely recommend them :) pm me for further details if u like mate :wave:

[mr747]

the standerd shocks will blow soon there shit

[_CiVIC_]

the standerd shocks will blow soon there shit

nup... my car had only 12,000kms on it when i got the springs... now i've got 13,200kms... pedders gave me a guarantee for the next 25,000kms the shocks will not fail, if so new shocks for me :) but according to pedders the standard shocks are KYB's (which are one of the best shocks in the market)

[mr747]

my car had 23k when i brought it i put the king springs on when it had 30k the shocks blew at 35k

maybe your will be dif good luck:)

[aaronng]

nup... my car had only 12,000kms on it when i got the springs... now i've got 13,200kms... pedders gave me a guarantee for the next 25,000kms the shocks will not fail, if so new shocks for me :) but according to pedders the standard shocks are KYB's (which are one of the best shocks in the market)

How much did you lower it by? 1-3cm is alright. But more than 4cm, then you'll get blown shocks in about 1 year or less.

[tony1234]

OEM shocks are crap.I ditched mine at 700kms.

[_CiVIC_]

How much did you lower it by? 1-3cm is alright. But more than 4cm, then you'll get blown shocks in about 1 year or less.

From what I was told at pedders it was about a 2inch drop... but they measured it from the wheel hub, so not exactly a 2inch drop lol

[markasia]

Dont Buy The Racing Pro Logic Coilovers!!! Had Soo Many Problems With It!!

[aaronng]

Dont Buy The Racing Pro Logic Coilovers!!! Had Soo Many Problems With It!!

What's that? What problems did you have with it?

[LXRY]

got eibach's didn't changed shocks a dream to drive handling is insane, not knocking any other springs.....worth the money though.

[tony1234]

got eibach's didn't changed shocks a dream to drive handling is insane, not knocking any other springs.....worth the money though.
If you think it's good now wait till you put some Bilstein or Koni shocks on!I've got Eibachs with Bilsteins and ride/handling is excellent particularly when you hit some winding roads.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[LXRY]

If you think it's good now wait till you put some Bilstein or Koni shocks on!I've got Eibachs with Bilsteins and ride/handling is excellent particularly when you hit some winding roads.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I was told that I didn't have to change the shocks because they are still new.....Is this true? can anyone help with this? Do I need to change the shocks? has anyone else got eibachs with stock shocks?

[tony1234]

I was told that I didn't have to change the shocks because they are still new.....Is this true? can anyone help with this? Do I need to change the shocks? has anyone else got eibachs with stock shocks?
It(the Eibach springs) will definitely shorten the life of the shocks.How much is hard to say.someone else here may know more.It's no big deal,in your case when it happens just go buy some Konis or Bilsteins.BTW.have you fitted a thicker RSB?If you haven't go and do it.It's one of the best suspension mods you can do.:p

[aaronng]

I was told that I didn't have to change the shocks because they are still new.....Is this true? can anyone help with this? Do I need to change the shocks? has anyone else got eibachs with stock shocks?

They won't be new after 12 months. Heck, they won't be working after 12 months. Lowering more than about 1 inch will cause the stock shocks to travel outside of its specified range thus accelerating wear and giving you blown shocks in under one year.

You might as well change them now, and keep your stock shocks in good condition, which is useful if you ever plan to sell your car off stock.

[LXRY]

They won't be new after 12 months. Heck, they won't be working after 12 months. Lowering more than about 1 inch will cause the stock shocks to travel outside of its specified range thus accelerating wear and giving you blown shocks in under one year.

You might as well change them now, and keep your stock shocks in good condition, which is useful if you ever plan to sell your car off stock.

Thanks aaronng, which shocks do you recommend? Konis or Bilsteins like "Tony1234" suggested? What about Rear sway bar as "Tony1234" suggested? Do i need to install thicker one?

[aaronng]

Thanks aaronng, which shocks do you recommend? Konis or Bilsteins like "Tony1234" suggested? What about Rear sway bar as "Tony1234" suggested? Do i need to install thicker one?

Get the shocks for sure. Either Koni or Blisteins. Tony1234 would be better informed than I am to advise you since he did his research before purchasing them. Ask him.

As for the rear sway bar, it reduces rear bodyroll and hence reduces understeer. For street driving only, you don't need it. But if you like spirited driving through the twisties, then it is a good mod. I have the Whiteline 18mm one.

[Slugoid]

got eibach's didn't changed shocks a dream to drive handling is insane, not knocking any other springs.....worth the money though.
Not sure what you define as good handling, but when my Euro had Eibach's and standard shocks (pretty much new) and all I could say is that after 12 months the ride was horrible. Car was bouncing all over the place cos of the crappy shocks, and also jumping over the place if the road was uneven. Going over speed humps was just painful. Give you an idea, my MX5 with king lows, koni yellows, 16" rims with 45 profile tyres has a much better ride than what my Euro was. Subsequently, I changed back to stock springs, but even though the handling was a little down, the ride quality went up 200%. Also saved me having to replace my shocks further down the track.

If you plan to go lowered springs with stock shocks, I suggest you do a lot of homework in regards to spring rates. Personally, if you go with lowered springs, get adjustable shocks as well. Or go for coilovers altogether.

PS: Whoever that said shocks and springs combo doesn't have the same features as coilovers is a fool. Koni yellows is height adjustable and also has adjustable damper. Tien SS has the same features. What makes the Tien SS better is that the springs and shocks are well matched (i.e. spring rates in proportion to damper rate). Koni yellows are made to cater for a wide variety of springs, so it might be excellent when matched with particular springs but average with others.

[TypeG]

dont understand why ppl still looking for shock+spring while a set of coilover only cost $1400ish.

[mr747]

get tein ss

[Slugoid]

dont understand why ppl still looking for shock+spring while a set of coilover only cost $1400ish.
What are some decent coilovers going for $1400 that can beat something like a Koni yellow/eibach combo for around the $1400 mark too. If you say Tien SS, well, then you might be right, but as far as I know, Tien SS go for at least $1800+.

Do you have any experience with spings/shock combo's??