what's the best swap for a EF civic

[rly1]

Hey guys!
just needed some advices on which engine swaps I should go for and the prices for them(labour+engine), I'm in the Melbourne area so any good adresses of mechanics for the job is appreciated.
I'm actually looking for something different than the B16A which pretty much everyone swap their engine for, cos I know, it's cheap
So, my preferences are for the B16B and the B18C5 ( type R families )
oh and I forgot, I drive an EF honda civic 89
any comments and help is needed
thx

[Z]

b16b/b18c5 will be hard to find and even then will probably cost a bundle (correct me if im wrong).

Check out here;
http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29749

EDIT:
And also...
http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29822

--> B18c5 = Non-recommended Swap

[ONV-73C]

id go for K20 swap...

[carbine]

would you?

LOL i bloody wouldn't

Only good k20 is the a2 found in the dc5r. So your looking at 10K for a halfcut.

Then you have problems with the immobiliser.

Then you have to get custom mounts from america or make some of your own. Actually im not even sure any companys make mounts for the ef. Ohhwell can be like original k20 swapster. COOL!

Custom exhaust header, 1k sounds about right for a holden/ford tuner to make, that will perform like shit.

Then your going to have trouble going over speedbumps because the sump rests about 2inches off the ground. (forget lowering your car)

Trim some holes in your bonnet, wikid speed holes.

custom shift linkage (cables)

running an obd2b ecu in an obd0 car, electrictics will be fun too.

Is the ef carby? lets just multiply the difficulty of the swap by about 3x.

but you can say

k20 y0.

15grand in a 6grand car.

[rly1]

non- recommended due to wirings, I don't think that's a big problem becos I won't be doing the job,
anyone got an idea on how much I'm looking for ??
and where about?

[carbine]

B18c5?

~9k for a half-cut
~3k for install

[DCLXVI]

a few days ago, i went to Hondwreck, and they have a b16b front clip, they charge 9k including fit... :shock: or maybe u can consider this s2000 engine in ebay, its available from brisbane. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43808&item=2482160 141&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[tofu R]

hmm f20c ..
can u say FR ?

[bennjamin]

into a EF ( ED) possibly the easiest money/HP ratio is to grab a d16a8 or d16y8 ( Si and vti engines) and plonk it in - shouldnt be a problem wiring up - automatically coming with 130hp for the price of prob less than $1000 all up including labour etc !

[Weq]

turbo-d
i doubt there is one in australia. how more orginal can u get?

[rly1]

thx people for ur infos...

[CRXONE]

B18c5- isnt that an Integra Type R engine???

I'd turbo a D series, cheaper ;)

[2ds]

B18c5- isnt that an Integra Type R engine???

I'd turbo a D series, cheaper ;)

lol, you can't even keep a NA d series on the road, what makes you think you could handle a turbo :P

hehe, use the b18c over the b16b. b16b costs too much

-2ds

[Jus-10]

There is a turbo EF running around Sydney. Original engine was rebuilt and equipped with EFI. It's a grey car and last time I saw it, it had 17inch Sparcos on it. It was built by Online.

So there goes that idea of it not being done before Weq.

[rly1]

I think B-series will be better for my car and can always turbo it later
how much am I looking for B16B?
and B18C ?
and B18C5?

what about the labour for those, given that I have a dual carby under my hood now ?

[egSi]

into a EF ( ED) possibly the easiest money/HP ratio is to grab a d16a8 or d16y8 ( Si and vti engines) and plonk it in - shouldnt be a problem wiring up - automatically coming with 130hp for the price of prob less than $1000 all up including labour etc !
nice one ben. :shock:
yeah chuck a ZC DOHC engine in there, they are cheap and there are parts avaliable, you just have to search ;)

[Setanta]

First: It's an ED6 Hatch, not an EF
Second: B18C is a better motor but you need the Y1 or S1 B16A cable tranny or you need a cable->hydro clutch conversion kit. Whatever you put in, you will need a EFi pump and surge tank, custom mounts (place or hasport for a B series motor) and custom driveshafts plus linkages... for a start.
Third: K20 into an ED6 has been done in the US - there was one for sale in the US a few weeks ago.

Fourth: You live in Vic rly1! flog off the the ED6 and find a "rebuild" EF9. The ED6 is a P.O.S. compared to the EF9 - lacking in all the options the EF9 came out with, especially the B16A/Y1. I saw an exact mirror of my EF9 at Lilydale heading out to Healesville about 8 months ago - you can't tell me it's the only one in Vic ;)

Final note: It's an ED6 - I hate to say it, but it's not the greatest platform for doing anything different - although one of the guys in Europe has just finished the ITR swap with a Celica GT4 bonnet scoop - I saw a vid of it and it's a beast.

Go to this link for real 4th gen Civic forums: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1135 - there's also a comprehensive website here: http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/ and another dedicated 4th gen forum here: http://ef-honda.com/ These will probably give you better data than this forum which is generic to Civics in general, not ED/EE/EF (all 4th gen designations) specific. You'll get better data from any of them. BTW - don't expect much change from about 6K for a turn-key B16A swap (inc brakes, etc) - for a B18C I'f have 10K tucked away handy just in case. Like I said - not worth it - find a SiR instead.

[rly1]

Hi all,

Here I am reviving an old thread I've post 2 years ago. :)
I had dropped the idea of the swap during all that time and was actually considering getting a DC2-R. Only thing is that GF doesn't like it(she likes newer modern car) I like old(older) school .
So initial plan was getting the DC2R means about $25K + front JDM conversion.
However since GF doesn't like I don't wanna bother anymore and just wanna get the DC2R engine to swap into my ED which is about $10K(rather than 25K+)
Anyone's got a good place for the job ? I saw HondWreck having the engine, do they do the install as well ? do they provide all the parts(ecu,loom,gear,et.c..) ?
Ideally, I wanna find a place like hondwreck that can source the engine and does the swap as well. I'm in melbourne
Also is my price estimation correct ? not sure how much it has changed from 2 yrs ago lol

thanks

[bal]

go the k20a my mate just finshed his EF k20 swap and it f**king flys worth every penny it costs nowhere near what others on here are saying it does.

[Muzz]

go the k20a my mate just finshed his EF k20 swap and it f**king flys worth every penny it costs nowhere near what others on here are saying it does.

U talking about a k20a2 though?

[bal]

k20a3 block with a2 head and JDM internals

[rly1]

I prefer to stick with a B series,
I think K20A would be harder and cost more in labour as I'm not doing the swap.
thanks

[qstoria]

the potential of the k-series is so much greater thats all. they respond so much better to modification than the b-series. dont get me wrong. b-series are great motors and always will be but they are now old technology. the extra cash now on a k-series may be well worth it in the long run. good luck either way though

[rly1]

I'd like to have an idea of prices and place to do the swap
I can use the search to compare each engines

thanks

[Setanta]

Are you REALLY driving an EF or is it an Aussie spec ED?

Posting that you have an EF skews the validity of people's responses if you actually don't have one from the view point of engine mounts, under-bonnet real estate, braking ability etc.

If it's really an ED then go the D16a8 or D16y8 (my choice - the yanks get these things to out-perform a B16A), if it's an EF9 then go a B18C5.

Don't forget that whatever motor you install, you also need to switch the gearbox, brakes and upgrade the suspension for a legit engineering certificate.

[rly1]

Yeah, it's an ED (was an old thread), forgot to correct that. Anyone's got places and prices in melbourne ?

[Leprechaun]

I got a d15b in mine... and i love it man... cheap and cheerful... Heaps of fun... but if i could i would go a b16, or b18, and if i had the time, patience and of course $$$ K20...

[SiReal]

he wants PRICES

[rly1]

prices and places in melb, or any DIY god from ozhonda in melb ?

[czy_sol87]

lots of work to do to the civic, if u ask me, not really worth it imo
firstly they are carby, so u will have to switch it to efi, then source the engine, etc

u should sell up and go for a gen2 crx if ur into the older shape hondas, very similar to the ed civic, but they are already efi, and u might even find one that already has a b-series converted into it, or there is the Sir which has a b16a in it, imo it will be heaps cheaper to get a car that already has the conversion in it, seeing as ur not gonna do it urself