what u think? megan racing street coilovers

[DA9B18C]

hey,
im thinking about getting some coilovers for my da9 teg.
i found megan racing coilovers in underground imports. what does anyone think? or what can u sugest for good price wise?
cheers

[doonbar]

well for that price i wish i had waited a lil longer and bought those or konis instead of the skunk2's...

[SLOWEGG]

Apparently they're the same as D2.

[SiReal]

alot of ppl say heaps of other brands are all based on D2s, even the ksports, but no one has actual proof of this being the case (slowegg: not having a go at you or anything :))

any members actually tried megan racing? perhaps have a browse through an american forum.

[SLOWEGG]

alot of ppl say heaps of other brands are all based on D2s, even the ksports, but no one has actual proof of this being the case (slowegg: not having a go at you or anything :))

any members actually tried megan racing? perhaps have a browse through an american forum.

Lol none taken. My friend just bought a set and he did his research and found out they're made from the same company along with some other brands.

[nigs]

D2, Megan & Apexi entry level coilovers are made by BC racing in Taiwan.

http://www.bcec.com.tw/products/PIC/HONDA/EG-US.JPG

Notice the 32 way damper and spring rates are pretty much the same. :)

Ksports are made by someone else....I think.

Many of the cheaper coilovers are not made in house by their parent company.

[DA9B18C]

so, are they ok for street use? how adjustable are they? and how easy it it to adjust?

[nigs]

LOL just like any other dual adjustable coilover I guess.

32way would suggest they are very adjustable and should be fine for street.

But for that price you're best to just buy and try. Or wait it out a little longer and see what those who have ordered them think about it :)

Like some have said, no difference to D2 coilovers and heaps are using them (granted most are drift cars:zip: ).

[nigs]

Oh but they're heaps cheaper than D2's!

[IZY-10]

man im thinking off the same question and want a pair of coilovers. Either megan sports, ksport, or d2. They are all about the same price mark. Been doing hrs of searching. Can any1 recomend one? so far i hear people having problems with their ksports. Are Megan c/o any good

[Muzz]

so, are they ok for street use? how adjustable are they? and how easy it it to adjust?

im sure theyl be fine, but megan racing dont really manafacture high quality components, alot of their products are very cheap. Id rather go with somthing that proven to be a good long lasting product like edelbrock, tein, koni's etc.

I wouldnt go spending 2g of my money on these coilovers that seem to pop up over night (d2s, ksports, megan racing etc) when for the same price you could go out and get a product thats been around for ages and is proven to last.
Have a search around on yahoo for issues with these coilovers, i know it only took me 5mins to see that so many different people have oil leaking probs with there d2s, and yet so many people just keep on buying them thinking that they must be equal to all the other coilovers around that price:confused:

Just my 2c

And just because 2 coilovers look similar/ have identical spring rates/ have same levels of adjustment dosnt mean there made by the same people. You need more proof than that to make those claims. Materials/valving/oils all make a much bigger impact, than the design of the housing, somthing which most coilovers around this price have in common.

[CTR Coupe]

im sure theyl be fine, but megan racing dont really manafacture high quality components, alot of their products are very cheap. Id rather go with somthing that proven to be a good long lasting product like edelbrock, tein, koni's etc.

I wouldnt go spending 2g of my money on these coilovers that seem to pop up over night (d2s, ksports, megan racing etc) when for the same price you could go out and get a product thats been around for ages and is proven to last.
Have a search around on yahoo for issues with these coilovers, i know it only took me 5mins to see that so many different people have oil leaking probs with there d2s, and yet so many people just keep on buying them thinking that they must be equal to all the other coilovers around that price:confused:

Just my 2c

And just because 2 coilovers look similar/ have identical spring rates/ have same levels of adjustment dosnt mean there made by the same people. You need more proof than that to make those claims. Materials/valving/oils all make a much bigger impact, than the design of the housing, somthing which most coilovers around this price have in common.

once again great work muzz i wish i could rep you again but i have to spread it around.

id rather go koni/spring package than any of these coilovers (d2,k-sport,megan,insert other Taiwan made coilvers etc). The konis are just as cheep and 100 times better. at the end of the day for street you wont be adjusting the hight of them anyway. as most people find when they get coilovers they just set it and forget it. the most people do is adjust dampener rates when they know they are going for a spirited drive(leased i do anyway). and with the konis you can do this.

the other great thing about konis is they are rebuildable revalveable within Australia with heaps of support nation wide. other stuff like D2's etc mostly have to be shipped back to Taiwan for any servicing an spare parts are impossible to get making it a throw away item if they become worn due to cost.

anyway thats my thoughts on the matter.

[Muzz]

:thumbsup: damn straight!
Another benifit to the koni/ground control setup is if you blow a shock or whatever you can simply replace the shock insted of forking out for a whole set of coilovers.

Oh and also, the knoi shocks come with a lifetime waranty! and will last forever if you rebuild them when it is required.
Alot more attractive considering youd be very lucky to get 100,000kms out of any of these cheap coilovers that have been mentioned, ones that cant be rebuilt when they fcuk up on ya, and sooner or later they will.

[CTR Coupe]

mmm something i should have added.
i think that driving on the road would be harsher on coilovers than driving on a track. so if you have the mind set that oh i'm only using them on the street they will be fine. i think you will find dealing with uneven surfaces/manhole covers/potholes every day is alot harder on suspension than doing a 50lap race on a surface that smooth and even. thats taking harder cornering forces etc into account. Jarring and sharp bumps will wear suspension out more.

*waits for Muzz or someone with an engineering degree to correct me*

[IZY-10]

What about tein ss. I have heard mixed responses. Are they any good?

[z3lda]

What about tein ss. I have heard mixed responses. Are they any good?

you can't slamm your car on its guts with tien ss

[NeRV]

Are you sure D2's have to be sent back to taiwan to get repaired? because last time i heard that you can get them repaired here in Australia.

Anywaiz, what are your goals with suspension? are you just using it for street or track? or show?...

yeah ok, i have a set of D2 coilovers on my EG, ofcourse their not the best coilovers in the market, but for the price i picked them up, it was better then standard shocks and king springs, mind you, i didnt want to fork out 2k+ for coilovers that arnt going to be used on a race track everyweekend, i just wanted something that improved handling and gave me the ability to drop my car on its arse. I've had my D2's for about 4 months now and theres nothing wrong with them. It's just all down to how much you wanna spend and what your using it for.

[CTR Coupe]

Are you sure D2's have to be sent back to taiwan to get repaired? because last time i heard that you can get them repaired here in Australia.


don't know of any local suspension places that are servicing these.
i know Toda Australia service(return to japan) their fightex gear (250 a corner + any parts that are broken).

the Australian Tein distributors(fulcrum) service locally and imported Tein gear.

theres about 100 places around Australia that service Konis on site.

as for D2 at the time i was researching them there were no suspension places that would touch them. This may have changed but i think for the sort of money they will want to fix them its a throw away item.

[Zdster]

Was in a car very recently that was running a full koni setup (shocks and springs) and it was excellent! Would highly recommend them.

[NeRV]

http://www.d2racingsports.com.au/qna.html




Q: How long is the warranty?
A: Warranty is 1 year limited liability on the monotube. All other parts are serviceable and rebuildable in Australia. Spare parts sold separately.

[Cold Fusion]

i brought D2's, very very nice for what they are, on the cheaper side but they do NOT slim on quality! though they dont have camber,c aster adjustibility so if ur after everyhting dont go for them, for the da9 whcih i have they were easy to put in, you buy the dc2 D2's and u buy the lower fork on the suspension from the dc2 integra and ur all set to go. was easy to get in didnt t5ake very long, and the purple is sexy sexy, BUT i got mine from america...u can get them form aus but a tiny bit more exspencive (i wouldnt buy them from americaagain, the 80 bucks i saved wasnt really worth it heh)

but yeh, reseach research research, these were perfect for me and suited me well :)

[NeRV]

but yeh, reseach research research, these were perfect for me and suited me well :)

:thumbsup:
It all comes down to what your after, and how much your willing to spend.

[EG5]

you can't slamm your car on its guts with tien ss

TEIN not TIEN .

[CTR Coupe]

http://www.d2racingsports.com.au/qna.html

id just like to point out none of their current suppliers actually rebuilt shockers they are only retailers/fitters. so you would have to find a suspension workshop willing to pull these apart.

at least now there actually selling "spare parts" now.

you dont have to spend 2k like muzz on koni yellow short stroke race shocks.
you can get the plain vanilla koni yellows for around 800 then its just getting springs or ground control coilover sleeves(not to be confused with cheep nasty eBay coilover sleeves ).

[nigs]

id just like to point out none of their current suppliers actually rebuilt shockers they are only retailers/fitters. so you would have to find a suspension workshop willing to pull these apart.

at least now there actually selling "spare parts" now.

you dont have to spend 2k like muzz on koni yellow short stroke race shocks.
you can get the plain vanilla koni yellows for around 800 then its just getting springs or ground control coilover sleeves(not to be confused with cheep nasty eBay coilover sleeves ).

I went that route with my old car. Roughy $1200 all up. Wasn't too happy. For the same money today I could get those MR coilovers.

Muzz setup cost around $2000. Why compare that to cheap coilovers only costing $1250?

There are heaps of places that will rebuild any coilover. The only issue being spare parts. If you can get your hands on them then it's all sweet.

It just comes down to what you want and how much you're prepared to spend. And how much time and effort you're going to be putting in to setup your suspension. :thumbsup:

[SiReal]

For the price you're paying for a brand new set of STREET use complete coilovers, its not that bad AT ALL. But as with all things, ensure there is warranty periods , etc

[CTR Coupe]

I went that route with my old car. Roughy $1200 all up. Wasn't too happy. For the same money today I could get those MR coilovers.


so you weren't happy with your Koni yellow/coilover sleve setup? :confused:

what did you find wrong with it?
what spring rates were you running?

why do you think that MR coilovers are better than a proven koni yellow/GC setup?

[Muzz]

It just comes down to what you want and how much you're prepared to spend. And how much time and effort you're going to be putting in to setup your suspension. :thumbsup:

Also how much service life you get out of the product for what u spend!

You could pay say $1800 on a set of newly released coilovers that havnt been around long enough to prove their longevity, and have them turn to rubbish in less than 2 years (as i mentioned ive read tons of stories about cheap coils leaking on the owner after 30,000km/s etc). Alot around this price are not rebuildable, as ctr coupe said they are basically throw away items if somthing goes wrong. Im not the sort of person who is willing to pay $900 per year to run cheap coilovers, when for $200 or so extra you could grab yourself a better performing system that will last you 10 years with regular servicing.
Much cheaper in the long run!

[nigs]

I never said MR were better than a Koni/spring setup but I'm going to find out aren't I?

I'm not suprised they leaked after 30,000km. Guess I'm not expecting much from these things. There is a reason why they are cheap. And as the years go on, they will either rectify their issues and become better or never be heard of again....

Overhauling a set of coilovers is going to cost $600-1000 anyway.
Instead of spending that money I decided to go and buy some cheap ones.

And once again, they aren't $1800. They are $1250.

I'm keen to see how much that Koni setup you suggest really cost?
Any links to the cost of koni yellows + springs + having them reselved race spec.

On a side note...how many here really overhaul their suspension that often?

[IZY-10]

i have looked high and low to hear bad stuff about megan racing coilovers. And im surprised i cannot find any bad stuff on them. Apart from people saying their crap without any expirences. Found heaps on ksport coilovers though!

[z3lda]

TEIN not TIEN .


tien.

[Muzz]

Overhauling a set of coilovers is going to cost $600-1000 anyway.
Instead of spending that money I decided to go and buy some cheap ones.


Hmm, where abouts did you pull that figure from???? hope your not guessing these prices to support your argument, cus thats more than a little off!



And once again, they aren't $1800. They are $1250.

I am aware of that, i am refering in general to all these coilovers produced by all these fresh new companys (d2, ksports, g4, HSD, megan racing, skunk2 and the million others out there that all seem to go for around $1800)

For the same price, maybe 1-2 hundred more, you can get excelent entry level coilovers by highly respected suspension companys such as ohlins, tein, zeal, cusco, koni etc. that have been doing Coilovers and more importantly shocks for yonks, they have the money and ability to do plenty of research and development. Extensive race track testing cost shit loads upon shit loads of money, unaffordable to small companies.

It dosnt make sence to me, it seems clear which is the better option when the costs of each are basically equal!

The difference is in research and development, d2, Megan racing etc, aren’t big companys, there small and young and therefore don’t have the money to get deep into the development side of things. Koni have been developing shocks now for at least over 50 years (not sure when they actually started), they were a huge part of formula 1 back in the sixties and make some of the best 4 way racing shocks, they have been developing there products for a long time, aswell as being deeply involved in many different levels of racing to date.

Shocks arnt just shocks!



I'm keen to see how much that Koni setup you suggest really cost?
Any links to the cost of koni yellows + springs + having them reselved race spec.


I think you mean



cost of koni yellows + springs + having them re-valved race spec.


$2012 AU all up
$900 US for the pre-shortend spss3 race valved koni shocks
$299 US for ebaich springs with custom rates and ground control coilover sleeves
$350 US Shipping to get them to my door

[nigs]

Hmm, where abouts did you pull that figure from???? hope your not guessing these prices to support your argument, cus thats more than a little off!

$400 to have a pair of my Zeal Functions rebuilt by TSR *pending spare parts*
And that's just the rears...

Maybe the Koni's are cheaper to rebuild but if I remember correctly, Fulcrum charge roughly the same for Tein and if not more for Bilstien.

:)

[z3lda]

The difference is in research and development, d2, Megan racing etc, aren’t big companys, there small and young and therefore don’t have the money to get deep into the development side of things. Koni have been developing shocks now for at least over 50 years (not sure when they actually started), they were a huge part of formula 1 back in the sixties and make some of the best 4 way racing shocks, they have been developing there products for a long time, aswell as being deeply involved in many different levels of racing to date.




why would they need to have R&D for when its already there.

D2, megan racing, etc etc and are all made in taiwan.

big taiwan companys will just take the respected prodcuts and copy them.

same shit , just cheaper :) works out in the end for people that can't afford branded gear. :)

[nigs]

And if we're gonna argue about brands and reputation with R&D.

Why do HKS, one of the oldest and well known tuning shops in Japan use Garrett turbos. Modify them then brand them?

[z3lda]

And if we're gonna argue about brands and reputation with R&D.

Why do HKS, one of the oldest and well known tuning shops in Japan use Garrett turbos. Modify them then brand them?

same thing taiwanese companies do.

its cheaper to copy/use exsistin products then to have to create new prodcuts.

take expensive things, copy them and sell them at a cheaper price.:p

[Muzz]

why would they need to have R&D for when its already there.

The R&D done by the top suspension manufactures like Moton, Penski, Koni, Armstrong etc it isn’t shared around! That shit is top secret! There ability to make a top product rests on how much they know. For example, if kyb knew all that Koni knew about designing shocks, there there would be no reason why there shocks don’t perform as well.

In fact, if the R&D was there for everyone, why would there even be such a thing as a poorly working shock? As I mentioned, a shock isn’t just a shock, they are extremely complex complicated devices, and all perform very differently on the shock dyno!





big taiwan companys will just take the respected prodcuts and copy them.

same shit , just cheaper :) works out in the end for people that can't afford branded gear. :)

Its defiantly NOT the same shit, a quick look at some shock dynos will quickly show you this. Theres a huge difference in shock performance between a good and bad shock. Also poorly made springs are very common probably more so than good springs, good springs are hard to come by. Poor springs will yield and sag over time, and they don’t do so evenly, there rate can also vary slightly through its range of motion.

A quick search around for d2s and Ksports, shows that quite a lot of people have had bad experiences with there longevity and service life. Often from oil leaking problems. Try find any bad stories on a set of Coilovers make by any long standing, respected suspension company, Its almost impossible. Its obvious that if they are actually copies of good coilovers, that there noware near equal in quality.

Regarding getting them cheaper, yes you do. The problem is that there really not much cheaper than a good entry level coilover, that’s my whole point;) . Im putting together a far superior setup to the k sports/d2/skunk2 etc for only $200 more, but when you consider that the life expectancy of the product on average is at the very minium double, while performing worlds better, the saving of $50 dollars per corner is starting to look mighty small indeed, for an unproven (in my eyes) product!


And if we're gonna argue about brands and reputation with R&D.

Why do HKS, one of the oldest and well known tuning shops in Japan use Garrett turbos. Modify them then brand them?

Huge huge difference there. They aren’t copying a design and producing it with very little research and testing of their own.

They are taking an excellent proven product, modifying it slightly to suit there wants, and selling it. Why would they go and Spend massive amounts of money designing and manufacturing there very own turbos, when they would not perform up to the standards of garrett turbos, due to the lack of development and experience of Garrett, who has been designing and developing turbos for donkeys years!

For HKS to design and produce an equal product to garretts from the ground up, the costs and time involved would be massive. What they are doing saves them lots of money, and they are still selling an excellent product, too solidify there reputation as manafacturer of top quality parts.




its cheaper to copy/use exsistin products then to have to create new prodcuts.

take expensive things, copy them and sell them at a cheaper price.:p

Yes you get it cheaper, but id rather pay an extra 15% to get a product with a life expectancy 200-400% more, that uses far superior dampers and springs, which perform worlds better, as can be proven with shock dyno graphs.;)

And that just gets completely blown out of the water when you consider a rebuild will give you another 200-400% more life span all over again, again and again, for a fraction of the cost of replacing these cheap coils, which are basically throw away items that need to be completely replaced when they wear out.

Anyways that is just my opinion, discard it if you want, it’s just my view!

$1250 is damn cheap for Coilovers, why not give em a try, but remember $1250 is half the way there to getting some sick Coilovers that perform superbly, and will most likely have a service life twice as long or more, to make the better performing option actually the cheaper option in the long run:thumbsup:

[nigs]

Well I'm giving up Zeals for MR. Why, cause the last service cost around $1000 for the set. And it's only been nearly a year and the rears need attention again.

I asked around and apparently the parts needed to rebuild them were pretty hard to find.

So the way I see it, why pay the same money for a rebuild on a old unit when I can try something new.

Zeal make top coilovers but I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse here.

So before you go out and buy that super brand name coilover, consider your application and life expectency for the things. They all offer outstanding performance but they're rarely appriecated by the average user.

This thread was about MR coilovers NOT D2......
So once again for the PRICE and application the average person seeks, I believe they're worth a shot.

Too much nay saying IMO.

[nigs]

Here it is, MR coilovers intalled along with their LCAs.
Not bad so far, didn't expect much to be honest (you get what you pay for right?).

Comming from something that didn't work to something brand new, it's hard to comment. In comparison to Buddy Club N+ their close but lacking a little firmness though.
I am still only running them in so both front and rear damper are set less than 25%(6/front 8/rear).
Hopefully there will be a noticable difference when we crank up the damper. :zip:

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Out of the box they come pretty low, we had to heighten it.
Preload was set pretty hard too.

As is, the car is too low for the offset of the rims. I scrub a fair bit over decent bumps and scrub full lock left...but not right :confused:

Spring rates are 12kg/mm front 6kg/mm rear.

Does anyone know if replacement springs are available, who by and where from, me love you long time. :D
I'm not feeling the rear, small weight changes affects it too much.
Otherwise, pretty good for the money. :thumbsup:

Thanks to Trav and Dave from UI and your mother.

[m3ntAL_l2]

wot about HSDs. they seems pretty cheap aswell. are they in teh same catalogs as D2s n others?

[NeRV]

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Nice nigs :thumbsup: , are you the guy with the b18?

[SLOWEGG]

Yes he's that pretty guy.

[nigs]

You know Misa is way hotter than Leah.

Misa > Leah
kthx.

[jdm_kid]

is that the lowest ?

[nigs]

We had to raise it. Out of the box they come much lower.

[m3ntAL_l2]

wot about HSDs. they seems pretty cheap aswell. are they in teh same catalogs as D2s n others?

bump.

[NeRV]

You should pm FLY, he had them, see what his opinion is on HSD.

[STTICH]

seems like a nice drop nigs, ur EG's looking good :thumbsup: