Civic Type R is coming!

[Tobster]

Confirmed at Melbourne Motor Show for July:

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=36543&vf=28&MiniSiteID=4

[ekhybrid]

OMG nice

[EuroDude]

!%#! nice :p looks a bit like a small euro at the front

148kW 6.6sec ftw

But the current sedan civic has better rear suspension doesnt it?

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/03/02/Type_R_01_m_m.jpghttp://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/resources/image/468b1ad0b2d42d54/news1.jpg

[industrie]

ITS OFFICIAL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...the CIVIC TYPE R HATCH IS COMING WOOOO...far out never thought the day it would come here...its going to be a beast...expect nothing lower than 40K for this baby...well done honda australia...going to take a good hard look at it...

[Jo_e]

Yeh the front does look the euro and the back looks kinda like peuogety...liked the 4 door type R better =[ This one looks overly european for a type R but the interior is nice.

[IRI]

here's another link from Honda Aus;
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[URL]http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/News/Honda+to+Bring+Civic+Type+R+Down+Under (http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/News/Honda+to+Bring+Civic+Type+R+Down+Under)
Time to sell the S2 and 'ugrade' to a civic:p

[amato2]

dam i cant wait i hope they bring that and the sedan down here that way people can choose which one they want, cause i dun see any mps3 sedan or gold sedan.....ppl would pick the civic..


i like obth and will really look into it might buy the new hatch type r when it get here

[denot]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Should've wait till this one comes out T-T Man... i thought this one will never comes out thats why I bought the "not so Sport-y" model... T-T

[JDM.Power]

wow very nicely, should make my sister get one of these

[.::F[L]Y::.]

im not a fan of this and dont know what the fuss is about.

for that money there are so many great second hand cars out there you could buy that would blow this thing away.

i love my hondas but i just think this ctr is a pos.

[Spicey]

at least Honda is having a go though! I was getting worried with all the sport model "axing"!

[j3z3z]

sik mate sik...... honda aus is doing something right

[EuroDude]

sik mate sik...... honda aus is doing something right


Half way there, the gap between the Jazz and Sedan Civic needs to be filled.

Honda should have started manufacturing the hatch series in Japan or Thailand and sold the whole range here to compete with other hatchbacks, i.e. focus, astra, pulsar..

[industrie]

Y::.;1087009']im not a fan of this and dont know what the fuss is about.

for that money there are so many great second hand cars out there you could buy that would blow this thing away.

i love my hondas but i just think this ctr is a pos.

yeah im sure many people would buy a 2nd hand 350Z, EVO, WRX, etc but the fact is that its a hatch...why do you think people buy hot hatches? quality and performance the car itself is well rounded car...and its a different segment of the market and honda had to fill it in..its like why buy a DC5R or DC2R back then..when you know other cars on the market are quicker for the same price...

[qstoria]

remember its a brand new car as well. that makes all the difference to some aswell

[preludacris]

i like the interior

exterior is ok

power looks ok, but they can easily pump 160+ from a 2L dunno why they hold back so much.

and i liek the jdm type R version better than Uk


but YAY we are at least getting a type R. I was starting to hate mr Honda.. :p

[EK4R]

how much power is the jdm ctr pumping out?

...time for a another transplant

[aaronng]

how much power is the jdm ctr pumping out?

...time for a another transplant

162+kW Not explicitly stated in the CTR prototype.

[aaronng]

But the current sedan civic has better rear suspension doesnt it?

Same shit. MacPherson struts up front and multilink at the rear.

Spring and damper rates are more important differences between the two.

[Chi]

More people buy the New civic R , so when ppl crash we have more K series half cuts !!!!!

[[[d a n n y]]]

More people buy the New civic R , so when ppl crash we have more K series half cuts !!!!!

indeed.
looks ugly.
prefer the sedan

[EKVTIR-T]

http://www.civictyper.com.au/
Nice video to wet the appetite with...

[JINRAI]

the rear is unacceptable

bring down the sedan!

[matt]

Same shit. MacPherson struts up front and multilink at the rear.

Spring and damper rates are more important differences between the two.

it was mentioned here
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1087040#post1087040
and i've seen it somewhere else to that the uk civic will use torsion beam rear from Jazz, so be interesting to see how it handles.

[[ricer]]

Y::.;1087009']im not a fan of this and dont know what the fuss is about.

for that money there are so many great second hand cars out there you could buy that would blow this thing away.

i love my hondas but i just think this ctr is a pos.


agree :thumbsup:
maybe my opinions will change when i see it on the road i guess...:confused:

i never liked the EK before and now i own one.. lol

[kyle]

cant wait!!!!

[ekhybrid]

Same shit. MacPherson struts up front and multilink at the rear.

Spring and damper rates are more important differences between the two.

its torsion beam for the rear...

[EK4R]

there is no white?!?!?!!?! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[kn1ghtm4r3]

black is hotter thats why lol

[EK4R]

na its cos its rare. they will intro a Limited Edition WHITE just wait ha

[Perry]

im disappointed coz we are getting th UK version not the jap, minus brembo's and others

[industrie]

im disappointed coz we are getting th UK version not the jap, minus brembo's and others

just upgrade the package yourself...self performance mods etc etc

[0098]

lets see if someone can put a cannon muffler on it.. looks hard

[NightRyder]

Would probably prefer the JDM EP3...

[Kazaf]

Y::.;1087009']im not a fan of this and dont know what the fuss is about.

for that money there are so many great second hand cars out there you could buy that would blow this thing away.

i love my hondas but i just think this ctr is a pos.

You'll learn to like it :thumbsup:

[jackosimm]

damn that looks like an ugle euro on the front, other than that, nice package!

[Waggy]

Love it.

I'm very excited about this. I may even part with my EM1 for one!!

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

faRrk... an emotional time for us all! im farkin pumped!!! unlike waggy, i still aint selling my EM1 anytime soon.. hehehehe

[Waggy]

^ lol. Spur of the moment dude. I'm not parting with my EM1 for at least another 3 years. :)

[xtercii]

no white colour in type r is fu cked...

[Perry]

just upgrade the package yourself...self performance mods etc etc

If i upgrade the package I recong ill ended up doing what I'm doing now:angel:

[matt]

from what i've read no LSD either.

[xtercii]

are u f ucking serious?????????!!!!!!!!!!

[Tofu]

so what wheels do we get?
the one on http://www.civictyper.com.au/ or the one shown in www.drive.com.au??

and 6.6s 0-100km/h with 148kw....what's going on there? What's the weight of these things? Surely it isn't that light...it looks heavy.

[matt]

the broucher available for the UK deliverd on lists weight at 1267ish Kg so its bout the same weight as the DC5S but with less power.

[misteR_bilzz]

niceee! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: not the greatest lookin cars but yea we could get used to em.... trade in FTW!!

[aaronng]

the broucher available for the UK deliverd on lists weight at 1267ish Kg so its bout the same weight as the DC5S but with less power.

Engine power delivery is slightly different than the DC5S. VTEC point is at 5000rpm.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

whats funny is that Australia is gona get left out and receive the watered down version of the CTR.

[aaronng]

Y::.;1087415']whats funny is that Australia is gona get left out and receive the watered down version of the CTR.

It's the same thing that UK gets.

JDM 4-door CTR is not in production yet.

[matt]

Engine power delivery is slightly different than the DC5S. VTEC point is at 5000rpm.

yeah i have noted that, apparantly they have changed the gearing too so be interesting to see how it goes

[EG30]

will try to save up enough folding stuff to buy one when they get here, anyone wanting to do a group buy of CTR in Perth let me know. We could tender out to the Honda dealers if there are a few solid orders of CTRs ( or any other Honda for that matter ).

[Perry]

can someone post up the UK spec of their CTR?

[Chris_F]

incase anyone is interested the civic type R one top gears hot hatch shoot out (out of a field of 25 or so)

[Waggy]

Y::.;1087415']whats funny is that Australia is gona get left out and receive the watered down version of the CTR.

What's new?

DC5R was also watered down but people still bought it. It's still a Type R and it still has a "wanted" appeal about it.

[Perry]

What's new?

DC5R was also watered down but people still bought it. It's still a Type R and it still has a "wanted" appeal about it.

Keep in mind Alot of dc5R owners was disappointed with the dc5R

[qstoria]

LSD should be an option otherwise just get one elsewhere. quaife or an OEM one from a k20a. should fit in the k20z CTR motor. if you buy this car then you would want an LSD i would imagine

[NightRyder]

can someone post up the UK spec of their CTR?

For Perry

This is similar to what we will get as far as I understand.

Hope this helps.

***********************************
Technical specifications of 2007 Honda Civic Type R

Body:
Type : 4/5S HBK
Designer
Number of doors: 3

Dimensions & weight
Wheelbase : 2635 mm 103.7 in
Track
front : 1506 mm 59.3 in
rear : 1530 mm 60.2 in

Length : 4275 mm 168.3 in
Width : 1785 mm 70.3 in
Height : 1445 mm 56.9 in

Length:wheelbase ratio : 1.62

Ground clearance
Kerb weight : 1301 kg 2868 lb

Fuel capacity : 50 litres
UK Gal : 11
US Gal : 13.2

Engine
Manufacturer : Honda
Type : S-4
Wet sumped

DOHC
16 valves total
4 valves per cylinder

Bore × stroke : 86.00mm × 86.00mm
3.39 in × 3.39 in
Bore/Stroke ratio : 1

Displacement : 1998 cc
(121.925 cu in)

Unitary capacity : 499.5 cc/cylinder

Compression ratio : 11.00:1

Fuel system : Honda PGM-Fi fuel injection

Aspiration : Normal

Compressor type : N/A

Intercooler : None

Catalytic Converter : Y

Max. output : 200.8 PS (198.0 bhp) (147.6 kW) @7800 rpm
Max. torque : 193.0 Nm (142 lbft) (19.7 kgm) @5600 rpm

Coolant : Water

Specific output : 99.1 bhp/litre
1.62 bhp/cu in
Specific torque : 96.6 Nm/litre

Performance
Note: A value of -1 means that the car cannot attain that speed.
0-50mph (80 km/h): -
0-60mph : -
0-100km/h : 6.60s
0-100mph : -
80-120km/h (50-70mph) in top : -
0-Quarter-mile : -

Top speed : 235 km/h (146 mph)
Fuel Consumption : 12.7/7.0/9.1 l/100km urban/extra-urban/combined
CO2 Emissions : 215 g/km
Power-to-weight : 152.19 bhp/ton

Chassis
Engine location : Front
Engine alignment : Transverse
Steering : rack & pinion PAS
Turns (lock-to-lock) : 2.290
Turning circle : 11.80 m

Suspension
Front : I.MS.CS.ARB.
Rear : TBAx.CS.ARB.
Wheels F/R : 7.5JJ x 18/7.5JJ x 18
Tyres F : 225/40 R 18
Tyres R : 225/40 R 18
Brakes F/R : VeDi/Di-S-ABS

NOTE: Ve: Ventilated
Di: Disc (Disk)
Dr: Drum
S: Servo-assisted
ABS: Anti-lock Braking System

Brake ∅ F/R : 300/260 mm

Transmission : 6M
Drive : FWD

NOTE: FWD: Front Wheel Drive
RWD: Rear Wheel Drive
AWD: All Wheel Drive
4WD: Four Wheel Drive

Top gear ratio : 0.74
Final drive ratio : 5.06

*************************************

[Perry]

thanks NightRyder (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=3175) 18's for this CTR ????? ummmm over doing it I thnk

[NightRyder]

yeah...i guess bigger wheels makes it look nice as well as better traction..


thanks NightRyder (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=3175) 18's for this CTR ????? ummmm over doing it I thnk

[Perry]

with almost the same power as a dc5R 17's will be ok for traction, 18's too me at the moment will be good for looks, but I cant judge untill I drive the car

[Q_ball]

Player hater Perry :p
18s never stopped me LOL

[2002 TeGgY]

i cant beleive some people are complaining about this CTR. i remeber like a couple of months back when everyone was so dissapointed when this wasn't gonna make it here..i think its a great car and should do well

[yfin]

That weight of 1301kg for the Type R Civic surely can't be right if the std Euro is 1375kg. If it is correct the 6.6 second time sounds optomistic.

[2002 TeGgY]

i agree. this has roughly the same output as the AUDM DC5R and the DC5R weighs around 1160kg and does 0-100kmh in about 6.9 or so seconds, so 6.6 for the CTR does sound a lot optomistic...

[yfin]

i agree. this has roughly the same output as the AUDM DC5R and the DC5R weighs around 1160kg and does 0-100kmh in about 6.9 or so seconds, so 6.6 for the CTR does sound a lot optomistic...

And it is running 18s versus 16s on the DC5R. You can only achieve so much with the gear ratios too so how does the CTR get that time?

Perhaps it hits 0-100kph still in 2nd gear to help the time - does the DC5R have a shift to 3rd before 100kph? I'll be interested to see if the magazines can get that time.

[2002 TeGgY]

And it is running 18s versus 16s on the DC5R. You can only achieve so much with the gear ratios too so how does the CTR get that time?

Perhaps it hits 0-100kph still in 2nd gear to help the time - does the DC5R have a shift to 3rd before 100kph? I'll be interested to see if the magazines can get that time.

yeh, DC5R has to shift to 3rd to get to 100. but still man no way it makes that much of a difference

[yfin]

yeh, DC5R has to shift to 3rd to get to 100. but still man no way it makes that much of a difference

The gearing can make quite a bit of difference. But it is interesting to note that the US Civic SI weighs about the same (1304kg). Honda claimed 6.7 for that car (0-60mph). It has the same if not similar K20 punching out 197 horses.

Edmunds could only get 0-60mph in 7.2 so 0-100kph is a tad slower.

See test below
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=108019

[2002 TeGgY]

yeh, i think it might be a tad slower than a DC5R but its still an impressive car and i bet its more comfortable and has a shit load more accessories than the DC5R. DC5R's dont even have cruise control ffs

[Shimian]

Went to the motorshow today. Saw the type R. Not a bad looking car. The 18" look great. The front foggies too. The rest is not bad, but ill stick with my sedan.

[040501912]

THIS what i've been waiting for !!! any idea how much its going to release?

[0098]

http://gallery.8thcivic.com/albums/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R/typeR7.sized.jpg

http://gallery.8thcivic.com/albums/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R/typeR5.sized.jpg

http://gallery.8thcivic.com/albums/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R/typeR8.sized.jpg

[0098]

will get attention for sure, whether its in a bad or good way.

[industrie]

that pic looks sexual...very sexual indeed....this car will be the new hot hatch cult

[EK4R]

the side on pic look sleek

[Jazzle]

i thought the jdm itr and the old ctr could produce 161kw??

with this uk type r that produces 147.6 kW + no LSD + no brembo brakes (am i wrong? saw a video on youtube the new ctr has a caliper with the word 'type r' on it).... and it also has VSA traction control makes me feel like this car should be a type s rather than a type r.

[EK4R]

and it doesnt have recaro.

but doesnt mean its a type S....

just not JDM thats all

[NightRyder]

The EP3 had the 'Type-R' word mechanically engraved on its calipers, surely if this was made in Swindon UK, they should have them on this CTR as well...unless the CTR that we Aussies will get will be made in Thailand?...

Anyhow, although it's not going to be JDM spec, I think it still takes the cake. We down under never were able to sell CTR's in the mainstream market until this announcement, first time ever I believe!...so I think it shouldn't be criticised. :cool:

[IAMVTEC]

40000 these days for a hatch and nobody blinks an eye. Some people actually want one!! Rubbish. the worlds gone mad.

[Encor3]

saw it at the motorshow
the brakes aren't brembos justl ook like stock civic ones,
seats have "type r " on them from memory.

[industrie]

thats correct the seats have type R stitched, the car at the melbourne motorshow is exactly that of the UK version or similar...the interior is nice...going to enquire about this car as im definately interested now

[blu3illusion84]

sadly we wont be getting CW :(
or am i wrong?

[Perry]

any proper pic of the interior

[danno]

any proper pic of the interior

Here: http://www.seriouswheels.com/2007/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R-Interior-1280x960.htm

[Perry]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R-Interior-1280x960.jpg

i might learn to like the interior

[EK4R]

sadly we wont be getting CW :(
or am i wrong?

only three colours at the moment. standard is red....:confused: silver and black cost extra.

out of the three i would want black...

if anyone is going to the motorshow, ask if white will be available :thumbsup:

[040501912]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Honda-Civic-Type-R-Interior-1280x960.jpg

i might learn to like the interior

I hate the built in cd player... cant cahnge any THING !!! grrr... pretty cool though .. might fall in love but not yet rofl

[matt]

the interior is pretty nice, reminds me a little of the s2k dash with the AC controls where they are (tho i think its stereo controls on the s2)

[Q_ball]

I love it, could be my next investment hehe.

[EK4R]

yea interior is nice. shame no recaro or momo. but atleast it looks worth the 40k you going to spend on it.

btw so the GPS will be available and tuned for australia ?

[Perry]

yea interior is nice. shame no recaro or momo. but atleast it looks worth the 40k you going to spend on it.

btw so the GPS will be available and tuned for australia ?

I dault we will get the GPS :confused:

[aaronng]

yea interior is nice. shame no recaro or momo. but atleast it looks worth the 40k you going to spend on it.

btw so the GPS will be available and tuned for australia ?

DC5R got almost no interior, had momo and recaros for 50k. This CTR has an interior, aircond and other comfort stuff and has to sell for 42-45k. How can they include momo and recaros at that price?

[jeffske]

the way they've made it, you can't really mod the head unit and it appears that the exhaust might pose problems also

[IAMVTEC]

I think not having recaro seats and other brand name parts is a blessing. This way the insurance will be cheaper and you have less idiots wanting to break into your car.

[Aratahu]

http://www.civictyper.com.au/

Not sure if it was posted in the past 8 pages, but just came across this on http://honda.com.au/

Shame no yellow... have it on my GSXR600 bike, love it, would have been an awesome colour not requiring anywhere as much washing as my current black Euro. still, I want one --- black will have to do :)

EDIT: Ok, link has been posted several times before! I guess I'll have to drop by the motor show now, also want to have a look at the FCX. :)
I am totally in love with the styling of it, but am unsure about engine specs, e.g. for that price the MPS3 and XR5 seems to offer a lot more go. I hope Honda will do some sort of a track day trial like Mazda did for the MPS3. (Also if they were to magically drop the VSA like they have with the other Civics then I will not in any way be looking at this.)

[EK4R]

DC5R got almost no interior, had momo and recaros for 50k. This CTR has an interior, aircond and other comfort stuff and has to sell for 42-45k. How can they include momo and recaros at that price?

i wasn't complaining was i ? think i said it looks worth the money or didn't you read that bit.

[tRipitaka]

comes with "type R" embroidered bucket seats.. haha

[Mark B]

I can't believe it... My very old 1990 CRX SiR has 1.6L Vtec with 120KW.... surly Honda could get 190KW from a 2.0L in 2007 ??????

I certainly don't believe that it can do the 0-100 in 6.2 sec.... no way.. not at 1250Kg's or so....

Come'on honda get you act together and get on top of the HP pile again... like honda was back in 1990...

Maybe we will have to wait for the new CRX before honda release a decent engine again...

Regs Mark...

PS: Still love my (OLD) CRX's.... :D

[Aratahu]

Well it looks pretty bloody good in black.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/Review.aspx?model=1567
It may not have the power of the MPS3 but looks like an awesome package all up. I wonder what insurance will peg it at.

EDIT:
Another good review
http://cars.uk.msn.com/Reviews/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2704690
They're quoting the driver experience over performance as the main attraction.

[aaronng]

I can't believe it... My very old 1990 CRX SiR has 1.6L Vtec with 120KW.... surly Honda could get 190KW from a 2.0L in 2007 ??????

I certainly don't believe that it can do the 0-100 in 6.2 sec.... no way.. not at 1250Kg's or so....

Come'on honda get you act together and get on top of the HP pile again... like honda was back in 1990...

Maybe we will have to wait for the new CRX before honda release a decent engine again...

Regs Mark...

PS: Still love my (OLD) CRX's.... :D
They can do it if you are willing to pay around 60k for the CTR. Are you?

[Mark B]

Where did you get that from... you would think in 15 years of technology they would be able to get at least 190KW froma 2.0L engine... with out having to pay 60k for it....

Look at the MPS3... yeah a turbo... but still... honda would be lucky to sell any of them in OZ....

People want performance AND looks... not just LOOKS and no go... :(

[Perry]

Where did you get that from... you would think in 15 years of technology they would be able to get at least 190KW froma 2.0L engine... with out having to pay 60k for it....

Look at the MPS3... yeah a turbo... but still... honda would be lucky to sell any of in OZ....

People want performance AND looks... not just LOOKS and no go... :(

remember we got so many emission restriction on cars these days. to get 190kw or close from a 2L stock ummmm im thinking impossible

[aaronng]

Where did you get that from... you would think in 15 years of technology they would be able to get at least 190KW froma 2.0L engine... with out having to pay 60k for it....

Look at the MPS3... yeah a turbo... but still... honda would be lucky to sell any of them in OZ....

People want performance AND looks... not just LOOKS and no go... :(

Tell me how much was your 1990 CRX when brand new back then? Then factor in inflation and tell me how much it costs now. Then include the value of luxury items that are not in your CRX.

If Honda decided to put a turbo into their Type R, then they would get 190kW easy too.

[qstoria]

Maybe we will have to wait for the new CRX before honda release a decent engine again...


the k20 is a decent engine. they just need to put it in a lighter car

[industrie]

From what the reviews say, seems honda doesnt want to and need to increase the power output...unless its a JDM model

[aaronng]

From what the reviews say, seems honda doesnt want to and need to increase the power output...unless its a JDM model

There is a limit to how many hp/litre that you can get out of an NA engine if you want to meet emission requirements.

[yfin]

I can't believe it... My very old 1990 CRX SiR has 1.6L Vtec with 120KW.... surly Honda could get 190KW from a 2.0L in 2007 ??????

I certainly don't believe that it can do the 0-100 in 6.2 sec.... no way.. not at 1250Kg's or so....

Come'on honda get you act together and get on top of the HP pile again... like honda was back in 1990...

Maybe we will have to wait for the new CRX before honda release a decent engine again...

Regs Mark...

PS: Still love my (OLD) CRX's.... :D

Where did 6.2 sec come from? I believe the claimed figure is 6.6 in a body of 1301kg. There is nothing wrong with the power figures, I think the weight is the problem. And Honda is not alone - even the Golf GTI is 1340kg and don't ask about the Astra Turbo as it weighs even more than the Euro. The trouble is people expect everything these days standard in all cars - a quiet cabin, VSA, air-con, airbags everywhere and reinforced doors for impact protection etc. Weight of vehicles has increased dramatically compared to even just 10 years ago.

[matt]

The trouble is people expect everything these days standard in all cars - a quiet cabin, VSA, air-con, airbags everywhere and reinforced doors for impact protection etc. Weight of vehicles has increased dramatically compared to even just 10 years ago.

which is where i believe honda has gone down the wrong path a little, Type R's should still be without all this crap. all these softc**ks wanting a performance car that feels like a luxury car inside

[EK4R]

but ppl standards go up and what used to be a option , now they see it as a requirement. honda needs to put those gadgets in to meet / surpass ppl's standards to keep the competition happening.

dont think ppl would be very keen on buying a type R with say 180kw of power but no technology.

[EK4R]

oh just find this video duno if any of you seen it.

looks pretty hot i say. the drop is sexy, and they only using 1 pipe for the exhuast i think.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2qsudw82JDc

and this promotion piece
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xPRS-b6bYDE

[IAMVTEC]

Where did you get that from... you would think in 15 years of technology they would be able to get at least 190KW froma 2.0L engine... with out having to pay 60k for it....

Look at the MPS3... yeah a turbo... but still... honda would be lucky to sell any of them in OZ....

People want performance AND looks... not just LOOKS and no go... :(

You answered yourself. the MPS3 is a turbo. So why are you comparing the kW it produces against the Civic R. Mazda could never out-engineer Honda on a even basis.

But at the end of the day its a stupid argument. The MPS and the Civic type R are V4 hatchbacks that cost above $40,000. Youd have to be a fool to buy one.

[aaronng]

But at the end of the day its a stupid argument. The MPS and the Civic type R are V4 hatchbacks that cost above $40,000. Youd have to be a fool to buy one.

What is a V4?

[NightRyder]

What is a V4?

I think he means 4 cylinder engines, similar to V8, V12. etc..

[Shorty]

omg--how exciting!!!! Would have loved to been the first person to post about this when the boyfriend heard the announcement on Friday!! but oh well...
another dissapointment....will probably have to wait for a second hand one before I can afford it! haha

[aaronng]

I think he means 4 cylinder engines, similar to V8, V12. etc..

CTRs are I4. They are not in a V-configuration. :)

[NightRyder]

Ahh..my bad...:)

All this bitching about what the CTR should or should not have is all a waste of time...we should be happy that Honda is bringing them in..

Although performance wise it might be questionable to some, still I think it is pretty good...
At the end of the day we all should be glad that it's coming down under and only way to really judge and make your own opinions, is to take it for a test drive.

Just relax yo!.... :cool: :D


CTRs are I4. They are not in a V-configuration. :)

[aaronng]

I reckon I'm happy. We were pretty shocked that Honda said "no" to anymore sports cars and here they are showing that the Type R is still alive. Price-wise, it's similar to the GTI while probably giving better handling and comfort. I'm happy. Too bad I already have my Euro.

[Perry]

my favourite part modifying the new CTR will be fun

[NightRyder]

Now see!...there's one happy chap. :p


I reckon I'm happy. We were pretty shocked that Honda said "no" to anymore sports cars and here they are showing that the Type R is still alive. Price-wise, it's similar to the GTI while probably giving better handling and comfort. I'm happy. Too bad I already have my Euro.

[NightRyder]

Perry dude, you seem to modify anything/everything that comes your way...gosh I hope you don't modify your 'other half' as well!..hehe..j/k.. :D


my favourite part modifying the new CTR will be fun

[Perry]

Perry dude, you seem to modify anything/everything that comes your way...gosh I hope you don't modify your 'other half' as well!..hehe..j/k.. :D

hahaahha all good dude:thumbsup: thats what all the fun is about, well if i get my hands on 1 il lkeep it stock for like 1yr or so

[Mark B]

Look at the S2000... 2L motor with 180KW....

they just don't want to do it... coz it might cost an extra 500$...

anyhow... hey perry... you must work with Adrian... tell him "Butt Launcher" says hi... :)

[0098]

they dont want to do it because they have different classes
it would be stupid for manufacturers to make every car have the same power.

[Mark B]

one is FWD and one is RWD... big difference...

[aaronng]

Look at the S2000... 2L motor with 180KW....

they just don't want to do it... coz it might cost an extra 500$...

anyhow... hey perry... you must work with Adrian... tell him "Butt Launcher" says hi... :)

$500 won't get you 180kW... It might get you 150kW... or maybe 152kW

[Mark B]

I mean it would prob cost honda another 500$..... if they are making 100,000 engins or so... i'm not talking 500$ of after market mods... that would maybe get you 5Kw if your lucky.... you get my drift ??

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

saw it in the flesh... its hot pplz!! type R brakes, noice ass interior, and the exhaust isnt triangular, the exhaust tips sits inside the triangles.. just incase ne1 gave a damn.. :)

[aaronng]

I mean it would prob cost honda another 500$..... if they are making 100,000 engins or so... i'm not talking 500$ of after market mods... that would maybe get you 5Kw if your lucky.... you get my drift ??

I am talking about production costs. The cost to balance, port and polish will cost more than $500 per engine. :)

When they start using lightweight internals, the cost will be even higher.

[preludacris]

which is where i believe honda has gone down the wrong path a little, Type R's should still be without all this crap. all these softc**ks wanting a performance car that feels like a luxury car inside

its a natural journey for cars to go down this path mate.

think about it, you expect your car to have power windows, abs brakes, power steering, Aircon, even airbags, these are all options we expect in a car these days...

you could remove all of these features and you would have a lighter faster car ... but would you want to remove it all for a daily driver? and do you think Honda would sell any cars without it? even as an option... the price tag would jump 10 grand!!

new options in cars are always being introduced, and it would be silly of honda to ignore it. ppl's expectations are always growing, and now we want curtain airbags etc etc

not exactly like they are a bunch of soft cocks complaining ..

[denot]

its a natural journey for cars to go down this path mate.

think about it, you expect your car to have power windows, abs brakes, power steering, Aircon, even airbags, these are all options we expect in a car these days...

you could remove all of these features and you would have a lighter faster car ... but would you want to remove it all for a daily driver? and do you think Honda would sell any cars without it? even as an option... the price tag would jump 10 grand!!

new options in cars are always being introduced, and it would be silly of honda to ignore it. ppl's expectations are always growing, and now we want curtain airbags etc etc

not exactly like they are a bunch of soft cocks complaining ..


could not agree more... :p

[OB]

:thumbdwn: no... don't like the look of the rear..

[Spicey]

Why dont they sell it as a "Type S" or something!? To me a "Honda Type R" is a stripped out, basic, handbuilt, Road registered race car!

Some people want a harsh, noisy, unforgiving car! (Hello Lotus Elise)

Type R's have been getting softer and softer over the years, think of the reputation of DC2R and EK9! They had journalists and racers in a lather over their rawness and performance straight off the showroom floor! then came the "softer & luxurious" DC5R and EP3 and their more comfortable and forgiving nature (but I still want an EP3). It looks like the Type R name/legacy is going downhill from there!

Dont get me wrong, im sure this will be a brilliant little car and I like that Honda are having a go at it, but it should be a Type S not R, it just doesn't have the family jewels to be a Type R!

[aaronng]

Why dont they sell it as a "Type S" or something!? To me a "Honda Type R" is a stripped out, basic, handbuilt, Road registered race car!

Some people want a harsh, noisy, unforgiving car! (Hello Lotus Elise)

Type R's have been getting softer and softer over the years, think of the reputation of DC2R and EK9! They had journalists and racers in a lather over their rawness and performance straight off the showroom floor! then came the "softer & luxurious" DC5R and EP3 and their more comfortable and forgiving nature (but I still want an EP3). It looks like the Type R name/legacy is going downhill from there!

Dont get me wrong, im sure this will be a brilliant little car and I like that Honda are having a go at it, but it should be a Type S not R, it just doesn't have the family jewels to be a Type R!

That's how it is. Even the Elise now has airconditioning, a CD player and even carpets!!!

[IRI]

Why dont they sell it as a "Type S" or something!? To me a "Honda Type R" is a stripped out, basic, handbuilt, Road registered race car!

Some people want a harsh, noisy, unforgiving car! (Hello Lotus Elise)

Type R's have been getting softer and softer over the years, think of the reputation of DC2R and EK9! They had journalists and racers in a lather over their rawness and performance straight off the showroom floor! then came the "softer & luxurious" DC5R and EP3 and their more comfortable and forgiving nature (but I still want an EP3). It looks like the Type R name/legacy is going downhill from there!

Dont get me wrong, im sure this will be a brilliant little car and I like that Honda are having a go at it, but it should be a Type S not R, it just doesn't have the family jewels to be a Type R!


Type R legacy going down hill:confused: It's faster then both DC2R and EK9. 6.6 0-100 for NA 2L full of softcock luxuries is pretty damn good:wave:

[Encor3]

wonder if they'll add aircon, and cd player to the ariel atom :cool:

[Perry]

I can see why honda has gone this route now, something that could be a daily driver aswell as a race car

[aaronng]

wonder if they'll add aircon, and cd player to the ariel atom :cool:

No because the Atom is built by 2 guys in their garage.

[Tofu]

well, the atom was a stolen project by a university professor, but we won't go there...

So i'm wondering, who will be making aftermarket parts for this 2007 CTR...I doubt Japanese tuners give a damn about this Civic hatch since they won't sell it at all over there. We will need to buy parts from UK now for the 07CTR?!

[EK4R]

well, the atom was a stolen project by a university professor, but we won't go there...

So i'm wondering, who will be making aftermarket parts for this 2007 CTR...I doubt Japanese tuners give a damn about this Civic hatch since they won't sell it at all over there. We will need to buy parts from UK now for the 07CTR?!

its already out and being tested.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2qsudw82JDc

[preludacris]

but i want Spoooonnn and mooooggggenn ... not big ben and 2bob brands. or wtv european stuff .. lolz


errr.... EUDM y0!

[EG30]

to keep the beancounters happy they have to make the type R a mass produced and afforable car that appeals to many ppl not just hard core vtec fans.

and to keep the forumist happy they are talking about a hard core type RR as a possibilty in the future.

[Tofu]

but i want Spoooonnn and mooooggggenn ... not big ben and 2bob brands. or wtv european stuff .. lolz


errr.... EUDM y0!

exactly what i was refering to
it's a Japanese cult/iconic sports car...what's with the european aftermarket parts??

You'll find it hard to impress your BMW friends if you started to put Japanese parts on your BMW right?

[UNLS1]

its only going to come in silver / black / red!

will find out today if LSD is an option...i doubt it!

[Spicey]

cant believe white is not an option!

Ill check with our sales guys if they have any info on them!

[aaronng]

its only going to come in silver / black / red!

will find out today if LSD is an option...i doubt it!

I reckon white is the best colour for it.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8635/hondacivictyper1luq5.jpg

[vupham]

The civic type r is sure a nice car, looks hot and much more sportier than most of the hatches from other manufactors like mps, golf etc.. it will definatelty turns head and get much more regonition than than our previous sport coupe integra typeS, i own a types so i dont mind saying it. Maybe civic type r will get as much hype as wrx and 200sx from now and will increase honda sales and more opportunities for us to get more options. Still dont like the digital speedometer though....:confused:

[IAMVTEC]

I reckon white is the best colour for it.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8635/hondacivictyper1luq5.jpg

Man I hate this ridiculous car but those wheels are heat. Surely they wont be the stock ones will they????

[RyDC5S]

They need to make closer to the 1 tonne mark, the excess weight is negating the brilliance of the K20.

I want to see a return of the old-school Type R's.

[industrie]

They need to make closer to the 1 tonne mark, the excess weight is negating the brilliance of the K20.

I want to see a return of the old-school Type R's.

old school type R's wont be back for a while as market changes, ppl want more for what they pay for and ppl are not going to pay for a type R that doesnt have all those nice luxury things...

[aaronng]

Man I hate this ridiculous car but those wheels are heat. Surely they wont be the stock ones will they????

No, it's not the rims that will come with the car. BTW, I think I spotted your car. Your plates start with AN?

[RyDC5S]

old school type R's wont be back for a while as market changes, ppl want more for what they pay for and ppl are not going to pay for a type R that doesnt have all those nice luxury things...

Thats the whole point of Honda introducing the Type S line of vehicles, sports with a touch of luxury.

[IAMVTEC]

No, it's not the rims that will come with the car. BTW, I think I spotted your car. Your plates start with AN?

No my plates are much newer than that. I havent been driving my Civic recently. Im driving a tiptronic 307, man this car is loud above 4000rpm. Its like an plane taking off. The Peugeot VTEC is ****ed up, there is no difference in power but a worlds difference in noice.

[aaronng]

No my plates are much newer than that. I havent been driving my Civic recently. Im driving a tiptronic 307, man this car is loud above 4000rpm. Its like an plane taking off. The Peugeot VTEC is ****ed up, there is no difference in power but a worlds difference in noice.
Nah, it doesn't have the equivalent to VTEC. It has the equivalent to Toyota's VVT-i. No variable lift in Peugeot's engine.

[curik]

is the 07 type r still using the old 2001 k20 engine from the ep3? They better be putting direct injection in it to make it even quicker

[aaronng]

is the 07 type r still using the old 2001 k20 engine from the ep3? They better be putting direct injection in it to make it even quicker
Direct injection doesn't make it quicker.

[IAMVTEC]

Nah, it doesn't have the equivalent to VTEC. It has the equivalent to Toyota's VVT-i. No variable lift in Peugeot's engine.

Aaah I miss VTEC once youve tried VTEC its hard to drive anything else. The Civic VTEC isnt that strong but the whole package is a great car to drive.

[aaronng]

Aaah I miss VTEC once youve tried VTEC its hard to drive anything else. The Civic VTEC isnt that strong but the whole package is a great car to drive.

Wait til you feel a B series' VTEC.

[Zdster]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8635/hondacivictyper1luq5.jpg

Is it just me or the rear end in that photo give it a peugot hatch look?

[aaronng]

Is it just me or the rear end in that photo give it a peugot hatch look?

They are similar shapes. But that's it. The look of the rear FROM the rear is different. :)

[IAMVTEC]

Is it just me or the rear end in that photo give it a peugot hatch look?

Huh? Every hatch in existance except maybe the Megane has the exact same basic rear shape but that Megane might be a sedan?? Dont know dont care about renaults. I dunno what your talking about there.

Also which Hondas come with a B series VTEC engine???

[aaronng]

Also which Hondas come with a B series VTEC engine???

Civic VTiR, Integra VTiR, Integra Type R (DC2R), CRX Del Sol and JDM versions of the older CRX.

[dc2dc2dc2]

You also forgot about the poor

Integra LS XSi

[aaronng]

You also forgot about the poor

Integra LS XSi
Oops, I'm a noob when it comes to tegs, :)

[.::F[L]Y::.]

looking at all these pics of the CTR im still not feeling it. Although white would be the sure winner for this car. Perhaps seeing one in real life might change my opinions but from the pics doesnt look all that great and i feel most people will be dissapointed.

no recaros either? means theres nothing to steal then lol

[EKVTIR-T]

You also forgot about the poor

Integra LS XSi

What do you mean by "poor"?
Please elaborate...

[aaronng]

Y::.;1091725']looking at all these pics of the CTR im still not feeling it. Although white would be the sure winner for this car. Perhaps seeing one in real life might change my opinions but from the pics doesnt look all that great and i feel most people will be dissapointed.

no recaros either? means theres nothing to steal then lol

It's like the Type S. A sporty car. It's not a Type R in the sense where it is 100% race orientated and all comforts are stripped from the car to reduce weight.

For the proper Type R, we'll have to wait for the 4 door JDM CTR.

[IAMVTEC]

Well cant you just self modify it to be a true type-R experience?? Im sure taking out a stereo and air conditioning and insulation is not that hard. If you dont want to do it yourself, just leave your car in Bankstown for a week and you'll have your real type-R when you come back for the car.

[Tofu]

I would doubt the 4door JDM CTR won't come with the same creature comforts as this UK CTR.

The true meaning of the word "TypeR" i feel just doesn't exist in new model Hondas anymore.

[aaronng]

I would doubt the 4door JDM CTR won't come with the same creature comforts as this UK CTR.

The true meaning of the word "TypeR" i feel just doesn't exist in new model Hondas anymore.

From the CTR prototype pics, it looks like it has the TypeR goods (extra stiffening, thinner windscreen and the usual suspension changes)

[Perry]

Y::.;1091725']looking at all these pics of the CTR im still not feeling it. Although white would be the sure winner for this car. Perhaps seeing one in real life might change my opinions but from the pics doesnt look all that great and i feel most people will be dissapointed.

no recaros either? means theres nothing to steal then lol

ill put a list of mods for it straight away

Bucket seat
good set of coilovers
oil cooler
wheels lol

like Fly said got to wait till the real thing appears

[vupham]

Is it me or most people in here are over reacting with the term VTEC in honda's engine? Im not any kind of engineer or mechanic but isnt vtec just a method honda uses to maximise fuel economy by switching into different valves at certain rpm to produce max power, while at lower rpm uses different valves to keep good fuel economy and maybe safer emmisions?

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

[aaronng]

Is it me or most people in here are over reacting with the term VTEC in honda's engine? Im not any kind of engineer or mechanic but isnt vtec just a method honda uses to maximise fuel economy by switching into different valves at certain rpm to produce max power, while at lower rpm uses different valves to keep good fuel economy and maybe safer emmisions?

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

VTEC just allows you to use lumpy cams at high RPM and mild cams at low RPM to maintain drivability and get decent fuel consumption. Without VTEC, Honda wouldn't dare put in lumpy cams and have an engine that had a 2000rpm idle and decent pull to move the car from a standstill only at 3000rpm and above.

[tune2look]

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

In my opinion, I think you are under-rating VTEC.
When driven at circuits, I think post vtec range is most you will be using.
AND,
"Honda claims the Type-R sprints from zero to 100km/h in 6.6 seconds. "
although it clearly states its honda's claim, but its also clear that its VTEC that brings this kinda result.
To me, it is a very very impressive result from an NA 2 litre engine, especially from a todays heavier civics! (s15 claims similar result, thats with a turbo)

"No smoke without fire."
When you see this much VTEC addicts, they have their reasons.

[aaronng]

I
"Honda claims the Type-R sprints from zero to 100km/h in 6.6 seconds. "
although it clearly states its honda's claim, but its also clear that its VTEC that brings this kinda result.
You can do the same without VTEC. Just that the car will be almost undrivable at low RPM and fuel consumption will be bad.

[UNLS1]

lol lots of honda people think vtec is the greatest ever! its far from it, its good but if u want real power im sorry u have to go forced induction or a V8!

thats when u see the lil vtec cars in the rear view mirror!

[Spicey]

Its not designed to be the next big thing in engine power! its designed to be efficient and smooth in lower revs and more power/torque in higher revs!

Variable Valve Timing isn't put into vehicles for pure power reasons! it lowers emissions and improves driveability also!

[Chronos]

I've been holding off buying a new car for this? I can't believe this is all Honda can do with all their engineers and designers. All that money and time they poured into this project, and thats the best they can do? For 40K, they needed to produce something fantastic. Something like the Integra Type-R or the Euro; not some cheap looking toy.

All i can say is that it better drive like its on ****ing rails, or else Honda will lose another fanatic supporter to Volkswagen...

[aaronng]

I've been holding off buying a new car for this? I can't believe this is all Honda can do with all their engineers and designers. All that money and time they poured into this project, and thats the best they can do? For 40K, they needed to produce something fantastic. Something like the Integra Type-R or the Euro; not some cheap looking toy.

All i can say is that it better drive like its on ****ing rails, or else Honda will lose another fanatic supporter to Volkswagen...
This CTR was designed by Honda UK. Not Honda Japan.

What are you after? If you are after a coupe or a 4 door, then this CTR shouldn't even be in the list of cars that you are considering. To me, this CTR > GTI. Of course, I'd be happiest with the JDM 4 door CTR.

[Hullabaloo]

I'm also interested in what the 0-100 time will be when people test the car. what are the CTR figures again? 148kw, 1301kg (according to the info NightRyder got) 0-100 in 6.6 seconds?

DC2R (141kw, 1087kg), AUS DC5R (147kw, 1160kg), and AUs DC5S (154kw, 1230kg) all get low 7's that i've seen in magazines such as motor, wheels, speed, etc.

I'm no racing expert, but would have though (like Yfin) bigger wheels and gear ratios can only do so much. Vtec engagement at 5k rpm instead of 5.7k?

When we got our DC5R people complained cos it had the K20A2 instead of K20A and no brembos. When we got the DC5S people said it was worse because it didn't have an LSD.

Does the new civic have a K20A or a K20Z? How about an LSD and brembos?

Don't get me wrong. I think it looks like a great car and getting any type of Civic R is better than none. I really like the interior and exterior and I'm sure it'll drive fantastically as well.

[IAMVTEC]

Never underestimate the power of VTEC

[blazin206]

http://www.civictyper.com.au/

Don't know if this has been posted yet but check it out!

[aaronng]

I'm also interested in what the 0-100 time will be when people test the car. what are the CTR figures again? 148kw, 1301kg (according to the info NightRyder got) 0-100 in 6.6 seconds?

DC2R (141kw, 1087kg), AUS DC5R (147kw, 1160kg), and AUs DC5S (154kw, 1230kg) all get low 7's that i've seen in magazines such as motor, wheels, speed, etc.

Low 7s is underrated. Euros pull high 7s. So DC2R, DC5R and the DC5S should pull high 6s.

[Aratahu]

Ok I went to the motorshow today. It's on a rotating thingie so no entry into the cockpit. The car was certainly a looker and attracted tonnes of attention.

Please find reasonably high res shots here:
http://funkdancer.com/2007/03/07/a-much-nicer-civic/

Hope you like em? Got a few more, but they're kind of the same from this point on. ;)

Oh, did I say, I want one? 6.6s with all the said luxuries is perfect for me. I wouldn't want to be without them, maybe I've gone soft but I would much prefer something that strikes the kind of balance that this car seems to do.

http://funkdancer.com/images/civictyper.jpg

[EK4R]

yea perfect balance of luxury and sport. and its what ppl demand these days too. all out sport car just dont sell anymore.

still think 6.6 is abit impossible...hope im wrong

[Felix]

I hate the look of the rear, but think this might just be my next car.
Thats if its priced under $50k..

ohh and LSD, please tell me it has a LSD...!! Also RECAROS???? or has honda gone soft and are going to go with the crapping lux integra type S seats?

[aaronng]

ohh and LSD, please tell me it has a LSD...!! Also RECAROS???? or has honda gone soft and are going to go with the crapping lux integra type S seats?

It's UKDM designed. That's why Recaros were not specified. The old UKDM EP3 also didn't have Recaro seats.

[EK4R]

recaro is just a brand man. many other better seats than recaros. the seats that comes with the CTR isnt so bad looking either. hopefully it does a good job

[Felix]

recaro is just a brand man. many other better seats than recaros. the seats that comes with the CTR isnt so bad looking either. hopefully it does a good job

Yeah i know, just hopeing they dont use them ugly "luxury" seats that were in the integra type S.


LSD?

[industrie]

there isnt LSD on this car from what im aware of, whether it has recaros or not the fact is its not a pure hard racing car as the older models were, seats are designed to be supportive and comfortable...

[aaronng]

On the bright side, you can always install an LSD from the DC5R into this CTR since it uses the same K-series gearbox.

[xtercii]

It has only got 4 speed with no lsd…kidding..

If you have a read at the latest Top Gear Magzine, they had a huge hot hatch comparison, and they rate the CTR to be the best hatch on the market.

[Aratahu]

there isnt LSD on this car from what im aware of, whether it has recaros or not the fact is its not a pure hard racing car as the older models were, seats are designed to be supportive and comfortable...

Hmm, for some reason this sounds just fine to me ;)
I did manage to get a couple of shots when they opened the left hand side door a bit later, however the exposure was a bit off with heavy flash usage and only shows the edge of it really.

I'll upload it tonight anyway.

I did see on the web that the VSA is tuned to be more sporty than normal, i.e. allow a bit of play. I know that when I bought my Euro the brochure said the VSA offered "LSD like" qualities, however I've also come across threads saying VSA can't co-exist with LSD (http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2655.html) (check in particular Test Drive's post).

[Aratahu]

It has only got 4 speed with no lsd…kidding..

If you have a read at the latest Top Gear Magzine, they had a huge hot hatch comparison, and they rate the CTR to be the best hatch on the market.

Where can I get this? Thanks.

[aaronng]

I did see on the web that the VSA is tuned to be more sporty than normal, i.e. allow a bit of play. I know that when I bought my Euro the brochure said the VSA offered "LSD like" qualities, however I've also come across threads saying VSA can't co-exist with LSD (http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2655.html) (check in particular Test Drive's post).

VSA's LSD emulation is not good. Why? Because traction control cuts the power as soon as the wheel spins. So even though it is braking the spinning wheel to send power to the opposite wheel, your throttle is also being cut at the same time.

[xtercii]

Newsagencies? I read a bit at wynyard station newsagent yesterday, to Top Gear it was an undisputed win and an easy pick. The stig especially liked CTR's handling.

[Aratahu]

Thanks XTERCII, I'll go hunting on my way home tonight. Has it just been released? I've only recently moved to a new area (Glenroy, VIC) and am not familiar with newsagencies there. Heading out from Richmond... ;)

Ps. Seeing the Type R in the flesh was the only reason why I went in to the carshow, I wasn't going to until I heard it was there... :)

[Felix]

If you have a read at the latest Top Gear Magzine, they had a huge hot hatch comparison, and they rate the CTR to be the best hatch on the market.


But do they take price into account?

[Aratahu]

Primer specs that include the 6.6s on this Honda page (http://www.redh.co.uk/index.html?deeplink=home_competition&campaignid=CM049200W01E&advertiserid=topgear&bannerid=textlink). No mention of LSD.

[xtercii]

I don't know, my train was coming had to run haha…might read a bit more today…

[IAMVTEC]

If you are looking to buy an expensive hatch(I personally wouldnt but everybody is different). This is the one I would go for, because of the looks and the Honda quality. The Mazda3 MPS is nice looking too but too similar to a normal 3. All the european hatchs look bad.

[sendok]

+1 Rep for HONDA AUS!

[VT3C]

I just cant believe they arent releasing a type R in Champ White ?? i mean Champ white is honda's true race-car colour.. maybe they're subtly telling us this aint a real race car ;) but personally i hate red cars, silver is too generic and black in the australian summer just doesnt make sense.

I dont think you can have VSA and an LSD together. I'd put my hand up for the LSD over VSA. One thing that's kept me out of a DC5 vs EG5 for example is that the EG5 has no ABS, no SRS, no fly-by-wire etc. so it's simpler and you get more direct feedback.. closer to a true racecar.

however the EG5 is ~13 years old now.....

front on it's sex, I dislike the door-handles and HATE the twin triangular exhaust (even if it has a round pipe inside it still looks like rice).

Personally i'll be waiting to see if there's a facelift model mnus the horrible rear bumper treatment and with a possibility of a Champ-White version.

But man is great news for the Aussie Honda Enthusiast as it will keep the passion burning (it was gradually dying every year since the demise of the DC2R) for a few more years plus as someone else said - the ricers will crash em then we can buy the front-cuts.. not to mention an extra 10 years of legislated compulsory parts support for Honda Australia of the K20's.

[Aratahu]

FYI the website in my last post features full PDF brochure download link on the right hand side once you've opened the CTR section - with lots of very very nice piccies. So I won't bother about doing my crap interior ones up. It will now be interesting to see what parts they drop for the Aussie model.

For myself, I just hope they retain the curtains - that's a major item on my vehicle checklist (and the reason why I got the Luxury over the standard Euro). Certainly rain sensing vipers etc are nice to haves and would mean less adjusting between the two vehicles, but not in any way requirements... ;)

[burma]

i like the look, definetly different to anything avaiable.
what annoys me is the engine power of just 148kw?? if jdm K20A's get 165kw and dc5S has 154kw and the competition has much more, so for it to be competative its got to have at least 154kw....

[Aratahu]

Ok, I've tried visiting 2 different news agents in person and calling another 3, but noone has the March issue (http://www.topgear.com/content/magflash/0307/) of TopGear in stock. Would anyone know of a place in/around Melbourne which has it? Thanks :)

[EK4R]

...just download it...so i was told ;)

[JDMtoy]

hahahaha my ep3 sh#ts on that.....

[todas**t]

my todas**t on that to....

[industrie]

hahahaha my ep3 sh#ts on that.....

im pretty sure my 350Z would sh** all over your car :thumbsup:

[xtercii]

In the latest Motor magazine, there is an article about this latest CTR saying there is no LSD, but it could be had as an option, and you can also option for a power upgrade. Apparently this is all refering to the current UK version.

[Aratahu]

I'm reading the PDF brochure (see my previous post) by Honda UK and cannot see any mention of such upgrades. Those 19" wheels look mighty nice though.

[pharley]

Just got my Honda email newsletter and it looks like the Type R will be on display in Sydney next week at Chatswood Chase Shopping Centre :D

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/News/Honda+Event+at+Chatswood+Chase

[Perry]

ill go and check it out when its there

[jeffske]

Yeah i know, just hopeing they dont use them ugly "luxury" seats that were in the integra type S.


LSD?

the Type S wasn't meant to be a full on "Racer" hence the leather seats
but they probably used them because they're cheaper then recaros

[Aratahu]

Bunch more shots from the Melbourne Car Show of the CTR uploaded to my site (http://funkdancer.com/2007/03/07/a-much-nicer-civic/). Hope at least 1 person here has a look... ;)

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

Bunch more shots from the Melbourne Car Show of the CTR uploaded to my site (http://funkdancer.com/2007/03/07/a-much-nicer-civic/). Hope at least 1 person here has a look... ;)

nice skills... makes my 5x megapixel camera photos look like VGA phone camera sh!t.. lol :thumbsup:

[SLPJCooL]

As much as I love the Type-R, I don't think I can justify myself paying over $40k for it.
There are many better cars out there for that price!

[industrie]

As much as I love the Type-R, I don't think I can justify myself paying over $40k for it.
There are many better cars out there for that price!

you could always argue theres a better car for that price...most cars around 40K are luxury or family orientated cars, and hatches are a niche market, where you dont expect it to be the leading area for car sales, its a minority who love these cars and are willing to pay 40K for a hatch...

the same argument can be said purchasing a second hand WRX, s2000, etc..

[aaronng]

As much as I love the Type-R, I don't think I can justify myself paying over $40k for it.
There are many better cars out there for that price!

That is why Honda decided to stop the DC5R before. No one wanted to buy them.

[SPEEDCORE]

To put things into comparison..... I went to look at the original documents that where in the G/F's EK4 glove box....... the person that bought it from Honda back in '97 payed $37k for it.

A $40-44k price tag I think is more than justifiable for this CTR given that its 10 years worth of increase in cost of materials and labour, even before we consider that its a hell of a lot better car than the EK4 in equipment levels not to mention looks.

I never understood how the EK4 sold in Australia looking virtually identical to the other base and lower spec EKs.

[sitta]

has anyone got a closer look of the brake caliper? tnx

[SLPJCooL]

I'm sure the CTR will sell well down here. Just a personal opinion I stated b4.
If you think about it, it's pretty much the same price as a MPS sports Pack edition. And If I had to pick between the two, the CTR has my thumbs up! :thumbsup:

[Jazzle]

I never understood how the EK4 sold in Australia looking virtually identical to the other base and lower spec EKs.

ek4 was priced around 33k which is like the civic sport and there were less competition back then.

[aaronng]

Remember to factor in inflation as well.

[j3z3z]

holden and ford are trying to block the civic type r coming in. They have stated that it will take away thier sales in the small car segment.

[yellows2k]

anyone know what the concept typre r rims were? they were pretty hot

[NightRyder]

I rest my case...


holden and ford are trying to block the civic type r coming in. They have stated that it will take away thier sales in the small car segment.

[yfin]

Bunch more shots from the Melbourne Car Show of the CTR uploaded to my site (http://funkdancer.com/2007/03/07/a-much-nicer-civic/). Hope at least 1 person here has a look... ;)

Hey great pictures! This part of your web site can't be right though ...

"Plus, it’s got to be the strongest 2.0 naturally aspirated engine ever built."

What about the s2000?!

[bigdongers]

where has honda said anything about pricing? We shouldnt say the CTR is expensive or cheap until we get firm pricing

[Jazzle]

haha spot on haha

[MKI4EVA]

ug as fark..............

with a high roof line like that and what looks to be alot of weight over the rear wheels.............good luck in handling.

hot hatch didn't have to mean they had to design a flip'n WOMBAT!!!.

aka "WTR" for the win.

[MKI4EVA]

where has honda said anything about pricing? We shouldnt say the CTR is expensive or cheap until we get firm pricing


benchmark is golf gti at around $38K exclude dealer delivery and all that.

It's a safe bet that the WTR will come in around that level.

if you want some'n that rip everyone up wait for the wrx 'hatch'.

[MKI4EVA]

Poor Button didn't even know what to say about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=watt8mfkEAI

Clearly he thinks it's ugly.

[mr_ree]

now before you start flaming the CTR, please back up your statements with some facts,

yes we all have our own personal preference..

but what do you have to say that its handling is like a "wombat" so to speak?

mind you, there are many reviews that say its absolutely fab atm thank you very much

[SLPJCooL]

Will there be a chance of the 4Dr JDM model coming in AUS?
Cos' personally I love that 4Door Sedan Racer Look.....Esp White....FRESH...!!!

[aaronng]

ug as fark..............

with a high roof line like that and what looks to be alot of weight over the rear wheels.............good luck in handling.

hot hatch didn't have to mean they had to design a flip'n WOMBAT!!!.

aka "WTR" for the win.

LOL, you clearly don't like hatchbacks. Don't look at the CTR then. Many other alternatives like the 350Z for you.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

looks better in person than on camera.

[Alexx]

has anyone got a closer look of the brake caliper? tnx


http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n139/41exz/1600_type_r_bg_10.jpg

not too clear, but you get the idea......too bad it wont come with the brembos seen on the 4 door type r in japan :(

[Perry]

the Type R engraved on the brakes are for rice factor, but nice

[MKI4EVA]

LOL, you clearly don't like hatchbacks. Don't look at the CTR then. Many other alternatives like the 350Z for you.

nopes...........i grew up on hatch backs, which probably why i hate this WTR more.

Current Projeztk
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/MKI4EVA/Golf%20stuff/142-4207_IMG.jpg

Old car.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/MKI4EVA/Golf%20stuff/837f94d1.jpg

the z is a one off coupe thing

can't you guys tell the Button is standing there lost for words at how ugly a fark the WTR is?...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRbCrqMQB4

[aaronng]

can't you guys tell the Button is standing there lost for words at how ugly a fark the WTR is?...........

That's because Button drove the JDM CTR concept and preferred that one. :)

[industrie]

nopes...........i grew up on hatch backs, which probably why i hate this WTR more.

Current Projeztk
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/MKI4EVA/Golf%20stuff/142-4207_IMG.jpg

Old car.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/MKI4EVA/Golf%20stuff/837f94d1.jpg

the z is a one off coupe thing

can't you guys tell the Button is standing there lost for words at how ugly a fark the WTR is?...........

man your car is ugly as F**k as well, sure your modding it and spending time and money to make it go faster or whatever pleases you, but these days peoples preferences have changed and hatches are currently in! the CTR is going to do great

[MKI4EVA]

clearly loosing your tran of thought just to bag me out..........

i said im into hatches..........the fact that I don't like this hatch that your obviously so in love with I'll accept is what exist in the spectrum of taste out there.

don't let my comments hurt your feelings.

[aaronng]

man your car is ugly as F**k as well, sure your modding it and spending time and money to make it go faster or whatever pleases you, but these days peoples preferences have changed and hatches are currently in! the CTR is going to do great

Mate, that's not ugly. The black hatch is a beauty. You have to know what it is to appreciate it.

[MKI4EVA]

Mate, that's not ugly. The black hatch is a beauty. You have to know what it is to appreciate it.


only true hatch lovers know of the black hatch heritage. your WTR wouldn't be here if it wasn't for cars like that black hatch.

anyhow back on topic.........

Maybe Button didn't like the fact that they made him wear that open face helmet? hahahhahahha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=watt8mfkEAI

[Jazzle]

perhaps "ugly as fark" is too harsh for the new civic
but i so can tell that jenson doens't like that car =)

[MKI4EVA]

That's because Button drove the JDM CTR concept and preferred that one. :)

hahahha..........nah I think he didn't like the fact that there weren't enough honda engineers nipping at his ankles as he got out of the WTR.

WOMBAT Type R..........only upside I can see is in this promo they mentioned that the WTR was $2.5Kpounds cheaper than the Golf GTi. But more than likely she's comparing the standard WTR to a fully spec'd Gti.

I'm no vw gti lover either.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMND5dapmmg

[MKI4EVA]

perhaps "ugly as fark" is too harsh for the new civic
but i so can tell that jenson doens't like that car =)


see...........F1 drivers aren't sales man ..........Hey even laughed at the caliper logo........

I think the WTR was aimed at putting all alteza light companies out of business.........

To be honest the driving positions of the WTR and the concept R is not the best. EK EG still rules in that aspect.

[aaronng]

I don't think it'll handle like a Wombat. It's a comfortable Type R. More like an in-between the real Type R and the Type S. I just want the JDM CTR, or at least this UKDM one in white with black lights and black rims.

[NightRyder]

Gee wizz...a lot of people are having their say about this CTR eh!..hahaha...surely it is a fine piece of engineering, though could be better i suppose...but great to see 'a' Civic Type-R coming to Aus as part of its Honda mainstream car market.

Although, comparing this UKDM CTR to the JDM 4-door CTR, I think I would prefer the JDM one as well because it is unique in its own kind and yes brembos, recaros are fabulous!......haha :cool:

[EK4R]

saw this in person first time today. damn i was surprised how well it looked closed up. on the photos didnt really pop up especially with its fat ass. its actually not that bad looking. think ppl will get used to the look soon enough.