EuroAccord13 Development In Progress [Archive]

EuroAccord13

21-03-2007, 01:51 AM

Okie Doks...

The stuff has finally arrived and my car will be going into Technik Tuning/ART for development and testing in the morning.

I'll be without my car for some time but heck... R & D takes time.. But I hope to have it ready in 1 1/2 weeks so I can put it on for the Dyno... To be fair to the cars in the same category as me, I decided to put myself ineligible for any prizes...

Wish the car luck...

Currently running 126Kws on the rollers... So it'll be interesting to see how it comes out...

UPDATES AS AND WHEN IT COMES.....

Atjo

21-03-2007, 09:06 AM

Can't wait to seet the result :) and give me your VAFCII hehe

TypeG

21-03-2007, 10:02 AM

the STAFF refer to what?

sendok

21-03-2007, 10:20 AM

let us know what the result bro! :D

ginganggooly

21-03-2007, 12:49 PM

Maybe it's a silly question, but, Is your car the one that is in those youtube clips??

mr747

21-03-2007, 02:50 PM

i cant wait to know the result

yfin

21-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Sounds great Nick. What did you decide to do with the high flow cat? Wouldn't it be best to fit that now before they start the tune process? I think you have covered off everything else in intake, header, exhaust.

euro77

21-03-2007, 09:36 PM

Dean is back? for good or just temporary?

EuroAccord13

21-03-2007, 11:35 PM

Dean is back? for good or just temporary?

No.. He is still in Singapore.. He did the development on the S.E Asia side.... Now the development is being passed over to Ray to continue for the K24 series engines for Australia...:)

mr747

22-03-2007, 03:06 PM

so what is art testing??

SiReal

22-03-2007, 03:07 PM

So what else are you going to do to your K32A5?

I'm getting a K40 soon. kick all yo asses :)

TypeG

22-03-2007, 03:23 PM

K40?
i get AK47 =)

yfin

22-03-2007, 08:00 PM

so what is art testing??

I don't really know them but autospeed has an article about a car Technik worked on.

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_107982/article.html

mr747

23-03-2007, 10:52 AM

BusterSonic12

23-03-2007, 11:15 AM

huh... don't get it??
so is this just getting a new ecu and reprogrammin and tunin it?

BusterSonic12

23-03-2007, 11:17 AM

i know of them back in the day when they had a white 200sx with 270kws

Sorry what are trhey doing to the car? pm me if you want sorry to be nosey

Do they make power fcs for the euro i dont think they do

to what i know is. no power fc "correct if wrong"
only apexi vafc II & apexi neo :thumbsup: can be used with the euro i think. not sure about the vafc 1.

EuroAccord13

23-03-2007, 02:56 PM

NO The APEXI NEO does not work with the K24 engine because of the lack of input for the Crank Angle Sensor...

As for my development... I leave it in Ray's hands now :D...

mr747

23-03-2007, 03:10 PM

hahaha cool cool i sort of knew you were going to say that

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 09:07 AM

NO The APEXI NEO does not work with the K24 engine because of the lack of input for the Crank Angle Sensor...

As for my development... I leave it in Ray's hands now :D...

i got a apexi neo. it works for some reason:confused: idon't know is motor racing helped me figured everything out

mugen88

25-03-2007, 09:36 AM

i got a apexi neo. it works for some reason:confused: idon't know is motor racing helped me figured everything out

Did they change the vtec change over point with the Neo?

If they did what is the rpm?

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 09:59 AM

Did they change the vtec change over point with the Neo?

If they did what is the rpm?

5400rpm. after couples of dyno run, they said indy said that was the best point for the vtec to kick.

sodaz

25-03-2007, 10:51 AM

5400rpm. after couples of dyno run, they said indy said that was the best point for the vtec to kick.

How much did it cost you and how much did you gain after the tune?

mugen88

25-03-2007, 10:59 AM

5400rpm. after couples of dyno run, they said indy said that was the best point for the vtec to kick.

Did they also change/engage the air map 16 point throttle position points?

Mmm... if u are using the Vtec change over point and the air map postions togeather u would be the only one in the world to my knowledge. They even have this problem in the US with The Neo on the TSX K24A.

Do yu know how they "IS" over came this? :confused:

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 11:16 AM

Did they also change/engage the air map 16 point throttle position points?

Mmm... if u are using the Vtec change over point and the air map postions togeather u would be the only one in the world to my knowledge. They even have this problem in the US with The Neo on the TSX K24A.

Do yu know how they "IS" over came this? :confused:

yes they did something to the 16 point throttle position pts. but not sure how since i m noob with cars.
not sure about gain, but got
112kw at the wheel, AUTO, comptech intake + HKS silent hi power exhaust + tuned with the neo. so auto prolly made a big lost =( oh well i m happy with my euro right now

EA13: so is this just getting a new ecu and reprogrammin and tunin it?

BiLL|z0r

25-03-2007, 03:31 PM

yes they did something to the 16 point throttle position pts. but not sure how since i m noob with cars.
not sure about gain, but got
112kw at the wheel, AUTO, comptech intake + HKS silent hi power exhaust + tuned with the neo. so auto prolly made a big lost =( oh well i m happy with my euro right now

I'd expect heaps more than that. I got 111kw at the wheels with a stock auto. I know, different cars, different dyno's blah blah, but with exhaust, intake and neo I'd expect a heap more.

ALN

25-03-2007, 03:40 PM

nice, much more choices for ecu in the future.

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 04:08 PM

I'd expect heaps more than that. I got 111kw at the wheels with a stock auto. I know, different cars, different dyno's blah blah, but with exhaust, intake and neo I'd expect a heap more.

111kw. stock... i thought u will be lucky to hit 100 for an auto. i did my on a dyno dynamics.

EuroAccord13

25-03-2007, 08:19 PM

I'm interested in know how IS managed to overcome the issue as well :)

TypeG

25-03-2007, 08:36 PM

IS?
HKS IS F-con?

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 08:39 PM

is motor racing

enkay

25-03-2007, 08:40 PM

think they talkin bout is motoracing (motosports? cant remember).. the ppl who tuned it for him
..lol got beat to it =P

sodaz

25-03-2007, 10:21 PM

Yep they are a workshop in Rockdale, Sydney.

BusterSonic12

25-03-2007, 10:29 PM

yep, they helped to put the auto salon drift machine together recently. pretty good workshop i reckon A+

EuroAccord13

03-04-2007, 01:39 PM

Wooot! Car should be ready on Thursday to start it's first dyno tune session.. Can't wait!

mr747

03-04-2007, 01:50 PM

cant wait to hear the progress good luck

adammet04

03-04-2007, 01:51 PM

how excitement :D

EuroAccord13

04-04-2007, 09:18 PM

I've cancelled tuning for the car until next week due to my urgent need to go overseas to attend to a family affair...

markasia

05-04-2007, 02:24 AM

awwwz!! damn!! well hope all goes well!!

mr747

05-04-2007, 12:15 PM

hope every thing is ok

EuroAccord13

11-04-2007, 03:52 AM

EuroAccord13 is going for further development testing besides the current one....

I'm overseas now and I met with some of the tuning boys and details and info to date.... VERY promising... very nice base figures...

Gonna take some time to start work on it but hell.. It's NOICE and I'm putting it up for testing in Australia....

sendok

11-04-2007, 10:37 AM

GOOD LUCK Bro! :D

EuroAccord13

28-04-2007, 06:36 PM

yfin

28-04-2007, 06:47 PM

UPDATE:

Ignition Timing and Control sorted... Should have a prelim dyno result on it soon..

Working on the Cam control part now...... This takes time to perfect..... NEED MORE DEGREES!!!!!

BTW, We may soon be developing an in-house ETD, Brake Stopper and T/B Upgrade....

I can't believe this. At the rate you guys are going you will release this product before the Hondata gear... Raymond knows what he is doing :thumbsup:

fatfish

28-04-2007, 07:47 PM

looking forword for those parts for upgrade
spericaly t/b and computer tuning

Chris_F

28-04-2007, 11:02 PM

UPDATE:

Ignition Timing and Control sorted... Should have a prelim dyno result on it soon..

Working on the Cam control part now...... This takes time to perfect..... NEED MORE DEGREES!!!!!

BTW, We may soon be developing an in-house ETD, Brake Stopper and T/B Upgrade....

Woah, good news.

I'd definitely have my eye on an ETD.

Is this ecu going to be tunable or a reflash like hondata?

EuroAccord13

29-04-2007, 02:29 AM

It's a 32-bit Unit...... Fully tunable of course :D...

Pumped

29-04-2007, 10:28 AM

Sounds promising :)

sodaz

29-04-2007, 06:30 PM

I can't believe this. At the rate you guys are going you will release this product before the Hondata gear... Raymond knows what he is doing :thumbsup:

You're not wrong. At this rate it might actually be released before Hondata.

Chris_F

29-04-2007, 06:45 PM

It's a 32-bit Unit...... Fully tunable of course :D...

damn, sounds good.

I wish you could spill the beans :(

Any idea if it's going to be affordable?

BusterSonic12

30-04-2007, 09:30 AM

is this going to be open to public for sale?

do we need special design i/h/e for max power like hondata or can it still perform well with our own i/h/e. (e.g. like our own injen/ comptech intake)

mugen88

30-04-2007, 12:27 PM

I believe each car will need individual dyno tunning based what mods u have its not a one size fits all thankfully.

Obviously for max power gains will depend on what u have on yr car and what u change on the car in the future.

tron07

30-04-2007, 03:51 PM

Whats a brake stopper??

Cranial

30-04-2007, 04:02 PM

A bracket that is installed in the engine bay that fixes the position of the master brake cylinder. It stops it from moving during hard stops, which is meant to improve brake pedal feel.

EuroAccord13

30-04-2007, 05:40 PM

Preliminary Base Figures from Ignition Timing and Control only stands at 134Kws...

Mugen88 summed it up already, it's all individually tuned based on what you have....

Now ordering the VTC Cam Timing Mechanism off the DC5R to finish off everything :) 25 degrees is just not enough now LOL!

kitbkk

30-04-2007, 08:47 PM

whoa...!!sounds great.
keep us updated on costs please.
i have a feeling this will be done way before hondata reflash.

E-Gene

30-04-2007, 10:45 PM

Sounds like everyone waiting for the Hondata reflash will come over to the "EuroAccord13" reflash.

Suntzu

30-04-2007, 11:01 PM

Yeah sounds promising. Whats it "feel" like to drive? Very noticable? Im guessing thats about 170kws at the fly ??

EuroAccord13

01-05-2007, 12:06 AM

BusterSonic12

01-05-2007, 10:27 AM

sounds good~!! if it is going to be tuned according to your mods, does it also mean that it depend on the tuner as well? so we need some pro up here in syd too?

tron07

01-05-2007, 10:33 AM

A bracket that is installed in the engine bay that fixes the position of the master brake cylinder. It stops it from moving during hard stops, which is meant to improve brake pedal feel.

Wow.... wasnt aware that the master brake cylinder can move around.... or is this a overkill??

BusterSonic12

01-05-2007, 11:24 AM

Wow.... wasnt aware that the master brake cylinder can move around.... or is this a overkill??

yep cusco makes brake stopper but just not for euros :(

mr747

02-05-2007, 11:57 AM

sounds good let us know when you get more updates

enkay

02-05-2007, 06:31 PM

haha yer damn cant wait for final results =D

Chris_F

02-05-2007, 08:16 PM

I cannot tell you about the "Feel" as it's been disconnected again, I'm running back the VAFCii for now until the DC5R VTC mechanism is in the car and then the cam control can then be tuned again via the unit... Ignition timing and control made another 8kws for the car so it'll be interesting to see how much more can the cam control push...

Suntzu, the car is already making 170kws at the fly as it is now :)

As far as I can tell you now, CAI will be experimented on as well and later, a full custom exhaust system for the Euro will be tested soon, just have to get the jig made up and ready to go....

In that well known article by hondata USA they said they only used 45 degrees of cam duration because anymore and you reduced clearances.

I since read up on k20a.org and some people say they prefer to shave off the extra 20 degrees from the standard 25 degree VTC mech; so there is a mechanical limit.

Do you, or your tuner, know what's a safe duration to run? If there's some sort of spike or glitch there will be no mechanical barrier to stop the dc5R cam gear from going the full 50 degrees right?

EuroAccord13

11-05-2007, 01:20 PM

Stay tuned... Dyno Sheet should be in with my car tonight.... Hopefully!

*Once again, Thankie You Aaron for helping me drop the car at Ray's*

E-Gene

11-05-2007, 05:33 PM

Can't wait...so exciting!!!

EuroAccord13

11-05-2007, 08:58 PM

Sorry to disappoint you all...

Changed new software therefore I have nothing to show tonight......

aaronng

11-05-2007, 10:21 PM

So sad.... :(

EuroAccord13

15-05-2008, 12:09 PM

Due to work committments, I haven't been able to do much... Sorry...

Skunk 2 Camshafts, Titanium Retainers, Valve Springs are in...
3 inch Metal cat is in....
Skunk2 Cat-Back is in......
RBC Manifold is in..............

My Euro dynoed stock was 103Kws
Now base tune is xxxxx kws (Dyno sheet coming soon)
Still got a few more ECUs to try.....
Now I have to swap out my DC Sports headers for something like Toda's or SSR as it's not flowing enough....

I can't remember who said to me that valve springs and retainers from the DC5R won't fit in the Euro... They are identical. We are now swapping my OEM K24 exhaust camshaft to the K20 as it has got more lift and then dyno testing it for results.

My target is to increase the power at the wheels by at least 45%-50% on N/A mods....

Suntzu

15-05-2008, 12:46 PM

Im excited but unless you post that DYNO then i will have order a hit on you.

aaronng

15-05-2008, 12:53 PM

xxxxx kWs!!! 5 digit kW base tune!!!!!

Crapdaz

15-05-2008, 12:56 PM

xxxxx kWs!!! 5 digit kW base tune!!!!!

WINNAH!

EuroAccord13

15-05-2008, 01:16 PM

Ok....... xxx.xx Kws.... Makes more sense?

EuroAccord13

22-09-2008, 10:19 PM

Ok, here are the figures....
I managed to dig out my very first dyno run when my car was still stock, I transferred the dyno graph over to my latest one and it's the lines in green.
The represents around 38%+ increase over stock NA... Not where I wanted to get but close, more ECU testing and I hope I get there....

In case you are wondering, VTEC engagement is 5800RPM for now, and if you are also wondering why there is a massive dip in power and torque in the 4500RPM region, we're still sorting that out, could be anything.

Overall, you can see the massive torque increase throughout the powerband, with torque correction set, it represents an averge of 37Nm increase throughout (Minus that dip in the mid range) with as much as 60Nm nearing the top end.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1665/fdynowebjk8.jpg

aaronng

22-09-2008, 10:32 PM

Ping ping ping. Try richening it up a bit at 4500-5000rpm to see if the dip goes away.

BusterSonic12

22-09-2008, 10:47 PM

which ecu are you running at the moment?

kitbkk

22-09-2008, 11:10 PM

nice stuff! go nick!

yfin

23-09-2008, 01:11 PM

That is great - works out to be about 193kw at the engine (assuming stock is 140kw). Must move very nicely with 1375kg.

How are you finding traction in the wet now?

Xplodin

23-09-2008, 03:15 PM

Far out Nik... Doesnt stop does it. well done i know u want 45-50% and i know u'll get there! Once again well done! and keep up the good work!

Thats almost matching the Toyota Aurion!

EuroAccord13

23-09-2008, 05:46 PM

That is great - works out to be about 193kw at the engine (assuming stock is 140kw). Must move very nicely with 1375kg.

How are you finding traction in the wet now?

Haven't really driven the car in the wet yet...
Drop by when you are free and you can go take it for a spin.
Not a fast car but it can go uphill rather smoothly :)

Suntzu

23-09-2008, 06:25 PM

yfin

23-09-2008, 06:29 PM

Thats almost matching the Toyota Aurion!

And the Aurion weighs 1590kg!

EUR003act

23-09-2008, 06:46 PM

damn i love you buddy! in a strictly non prison movie kinda way ofcourse!

when you next on msn i got a few secrets i gotta tell you... my build is going slightly different direction to what i originally planned lol

congrats on your results tho! cant wait till you get your ecu's sorted hehe shot gun being first customer!

EuroAccord13

24-09-2008, 08:45 PM

I am also interested to know what the day to day performance is like.

is it peaking and needs revs? Or does it pull hard from low, so good for traffic?

Is the throttle response good and can you actually tell you have that muh extra power? Power delivery smooth etc?

Need info!

excellent thread.

Yeah it definitely pulls, driving in 4th is like driving in an auto heeheehee... wide powerband available without the need to change gears LOL!

Day to day driving, well.. If the exhaust is too loud for your liking, I guess it's a no no :p

Suntzu

25-09-2008, 09:03 AM

So the ECU your using ( what is that by the way?) is not being unlearned by the honda computer?

Whats the fuel consumption like?

EuroAccord13

09-10-2008, 10:07 PM

Whats the fuel consumption like?

Haven't got around driving the car much, but at the early stages of tuning, I was burning close to 12 litres... It's since been leaned out and I hope to be doing under 10 litres on average....