From stock-to-bolt on B16a2 dyno results

[JohnnyVtec]

:D Hey all

I have been modding my VTI-R hatch for some time now, as some of you may already know. I began my journey with a 200,000+ kilometer engine which in stock form pulled 94 killowatts to the treads. After installing my DH-Racing Intake manifold and throttlebody combo, along with fuel pressure regulator, & power fc as well as full 2.5 inch exhaust from the collector of my new ss itr copy header back. I've finally got it in for a quick dyno tune with over 240,000 kilometers on the clock. and ran it to see what gains if any. The place where i did my power run actually moved shop and no longer allowed the use of a 2 wheel dyno for some reason and as you all know, swapping dyno's may aswell be guess work. Never the less. They treat me very well. This is now what all the bolt on's have brought, as far as power increase. Enjoy the comparison.


I just took the car to test & tune at willowbank on street tires (My first time ever on a drag strip) and *no excuses* pulled 15.587 @90.9mph Which means for those of you who know, that the dyno which i had my car tuned on reads quite low! I was only able to make 3 passes total, before my axle broke. HAHA so i had to rent a trailer at the mobil and tow the car home. Had a great time though and will be heading back soon with better axles! I included a pic of a timeslip but it's kinda rough quality.


Enjoy! http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9438/image037nn4.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image037nn4.jpg)

[barefootbonzai]

would have been nice if the original place still allowed you to dyno'd. But nice gains none the less :thumbsup:

[ek4-guy]

not bad good to see another modded 96 ek4 with over 200,000kms

so is that tuned by Dyno Dave with the vafc?

i got 108.7kw with only I/H/E now im not sure wether to get my vafc tunned or get something else

[JohnnyVtec]

Yeah, tell me about it m8.

I was really annoyed when i found out that they moved and that they only had a 4wd dyno operating.. Thanks for the support Barefootbonzai!!!:thumbsup:

Thanks ek4-guy:thumbsup: Nah m8, it's got a power fc and i just had one of the fellas at Chip-torque slap a tune on it.

HAHA What's funniest is that the car drove in with nearly 17.0 afr:eek: Thankfully the tune brought it a bit closer to reality. It's now running between 11.9-12.9 If i had the money, i would give Dyno Dave a go.... he seems to have an excellent rep through honda's but he also seems to be a pretty busy and expensive fella to employ though, from what i've read...


Next upgrade: Fully built Cylinderhead & Mystery Cams....:cool: might have to chase up the ellusive Dyno Dave after all... hehe

[BlitZ]

i got 108.7kw with only I/H/E now im not sure wether to get my vafc tunned or get something else

your engine must be the bomb... :thumbsup: thats a crazy high figure

[bennjamin]

your engine must be the bomb... :thumbsup: thats a crazy high figure

more so likely the DYNO is the bomb....rofl. Take it somewhere else and get a different number;)

[ek4-guy]

more so likely the DYNO is the bomb....rofl. Take it somewhere else and get a different number;)

that was actually at a dyno day where a stock B16a made 88kw and one with only a j's racing copy intake made 92kw the closest NA B16a2 to mine was around 104kw

[fatboyz39]

that was actually at a dyno day where a stock B16a made 88kw and one with only a j's racing copy intake made 92kw the closest NA B16a2 to mine was around 104kw

Nice numbers.....

Go the b16a's :thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

your engine must be the bomb... :thumbsup: thats a crazy high figure

nar Daniel just quality parts and i know cause i sold some to him ;)

You get what you pay for. His car is untuned with the following mods if memory serves me right. (Still running AC and PS as well)

- Injen CAI
- Toda Headers
- Test Pipe
- Fuji RM01A

[barefootbonzai]

more so likely the DYNO is the bomb....rofl. Take it somewhere else and get a different number;)

totally missed this hater comment :thumbdwn:... he'd probably get a higher reading somewhere else.

[aaronng]

that was actually at a dyno day where a stock B16a made 88kw and one with only a j's racing copy intake made 92kw the closest NA B16a2 to mine was around 104kw

I went for a dynoday where a 2 stock DC5Rs pulled 120.8kW and 110.1kW each, and an S2000 pulled 123.4kW. Even on the same dynoday, the way the engine was cared for is a factor. :)

[Benson]

totally missed this hater comment :thumbdwn:... he'd probably get a higher reading somewhere else.

haha.. b16a are good engines if modded right. As quick as a type R. Some people just dont realise the potential

[ek4-guy]

nar Daniel just quality parts and i know cause i sold some to him ;)

You get what you pay for. His car is untuned with the following mods if memory serves me right. (Still running AC and PS as well)

- Injen CAI
- Toda Headers
- Test Pipe
- Fuji RM01A

Must admit the man knows his shit and always tells it straight, my cars power is thanks to Duy's advice.

[SLOWEGG]

Genesis's EKB16 got 103ish aswell using good quality parts.

[bennjamin]

totally missed this hater comment :thumbdwn:... he'd probably get a higher reading somewhere else.

no haters here , mate. Just dynos that read different from tuner to tuner.
Read into it. Its not your mods you sold him that I diss its the up n down dyno results we seem to get. But we now have a comparison (as stated by the poster) its good to see ;)
Good results - lets see some 1/4 mile numbers to see how it goes.

[DynoDave]

Yeah, tell me about it m8.

I was really annoyed when i found out that they moved and that they only had a 4wd dyno operating.. Thanks for the support Barefootbonzai!!!:thumbsup:

Thanks ek4-guy:thumbsup: Nah m8, it's got a power fc and i just had one of the fellas at Chip-torque slap a tune on it.

HAHA What's funniest is that the car drove in with nearly 17.0 afr:eek: Thankfully the tune brought it a bit closer to reality. It's now running between 11.9-12.9 If i had the money, i would give Dyno Dave a go.... he seems to have an excellent rep through honda's but he also seems to be a pretty busy and expensive fella to employ though, from what i've read...


Next upgrade: Fully built Cylinderhead & Mystery Cams....:cool: might have to chase up the ellusive Dyno Dave after all... hehe
You need me just keep in touch with Barefootbonzai he looks after alot of bookings for me when I am in QLD.
Regards Dyno Dave

[spetz]

Dude...
All that stuff for 8kw?????????????????

[ginganggooly]

Dude...
All that stuff for 8kw?????????????????

Let's see, take one highly strung 1.6L atmo engine, add bolt on's and an ecu, grab an extra 8kw. Sounds about right to me peanut :thumbsup:

[destrukshn]

hms... only 8kw atw.
i don't think i'll be doing much to my b16a at that rate. lol.
ginganggooly, you have PM about your b20

[JohnnyVtec]

:D Thanks for checking it out guys!

I look forward to running it at the track!! The car is definately an entirely different drive. I've recently installed energy suspension engine mount inserts *Thanks Yonas* and shifter bushings. These things help out a fair bit to ensure posative drivablity. Can i just say? "HUGE" difference to stock rubber.

Cheers for dropping in D-Dave! I'll be meeting you soon i'm sure.

Just so you guys know....

PFC with Commander= $990.00 Aud
DH-R P-Match Intake manifold + 74mm taper bored Billet TB= $740.00 Aud
Custom Built SS ITR copy header 2.5 col= $300.00 Aud
Custom crush bent 2.5 catback= $100.00 Aud

I reckon the 8 FWKW gain wasnt bad, for the money.....:thumbsup: Honda FTW!!!

[spetz]

I would have more expected 10kw atw from just CAI, filter, extractors and exhaust with no ECU

[bennjamin]

I would have more expected 10kw atw from just CAI, filter, extractors and exhaust with no ECU

on a Honda or most 4 cyl. engines , 10kw ATW is a great gain for all those mods.
Usually , making the engine breathe better just yeilds slightly better "response"or top end or fuel efficiency , hardly ever results on the dyno.

[yourfather]

Just so you guys know....

PFC with Commander= $990.00 Aud
DH-R P-Match Intake manifold + 74mm taper bored Billet TB= $740.00 Aud
Custom Built SS ITR copy header 2.5 col= $300.00 Aud
Custom crush bent 2.5 catback= $100.00 Aud

I reckon the 8 FWKW gain wasnt bad, for the money.....:thumbsup: Honda FTW!!!


990 + 740 + 300 + 100 = 2130

For 8KW

http://www.nengun.com/image/catalogue/original/nengun-0928-00-trust-greddy-honda_integra_turbo_kit.jpg
$3,001.64

Just need intercooler. And we'll say, +30kw is a "pessimistic" guess

[dsp26]

^^^fark that power to $$$ ratio comparison is scary....

[locote]

N/A vtec FTW!!!

[kazam]

990 + 740 + 300 + 100 = 2130
For 8KW


$266 per kilowatt, sorry dude but it sounds a bit much, am i right ne1?

[barefootbonzai]

$266 per kilowatt, sorry dude but it sounds a bit much, am i right ne1?

yep you're right. don't mod your car it's a waste of money.

[TODA AU]

$266 per kilowatt, sorry dude but it sounds a bit much, am i right ne1?
For a normally aspirated Honda...
$266 per KW is Cheap....
I'll have 100 at that price please. :p

[xtercii]

yes anything that's not a need is a waste of money...so mite as well waste on something you like...

[JohnnyVtec]

990 + 740 + 300 + 100 = 2130

For 8KW

http://www.nengun.com/image/catalogue/original/nengun-0928-00-trust-greddy-honda_integra_turbo_kit.jpg
$3,001.64

Just need intercooler. And we'll say, +30kw is a "pessimistic" guess

:p Yeah possibly,

This just looks so much better and is soooo much less complicated!!!

Cheers for the input:thumbsup:

[yourfather]

dif strokes for diff folks.

[dsp26]

ok just gonna say something random... for those of you who are at or above 100wkw... is it a big noticable difference to stock?

all i have to say is that my stocker del sol is an absolute piece of shit despite the engine being in perfect condition. kinda reminds me of gen2 5.0l v8s... plenty of sound but goes nowhere.... i have heaps of parts on the way so i hope all goes well....

[TODA AU]

ok just gonna say something random... for those of you who are at or above 100wkw... is it a big noticable difference to stock?

all i have to say is that my stocker del sol is an absolute piece of shit despite the engine being in perfect condition. kinda reminds me of gen2 5.0l v8s... plenty of sound but goes nowhere.... i have heaps of parts on the way so i hope all goes well....
The increase in power is definatly noticable & getting over 100kw isn't rocket science.
So depending on what you've got comming, you'll probably get there with out any trouble.

BTW: The Del Sol CRX has the heaviest flywheel of all the B16A's,
This makes it a bit doughey to drive.
Changing the flywheel will wake it up straight away.

[dsp26]

^^damn thanks... was wondering why idle rev to redline was slower than my sr20. i guess i have a reason to kill my clutch quicker...

Parts already on the way are:
- Black Heat wrap + hi temp wrap seal spray
- Custom extractors w/ 2.5 collector (to be wrapped)
- SRI (to be wrapped) + making box for pod
- Outlaw Engineering Intake spacers + replacement studs (runners+TB)
- 2.5in 300cell Hi flow metal cat (to be wrapped)
- MSD external coil dizzy cap + LX91 Crane Cams coil
- Iridium plugs (to be gapped 1.5mm - 1.8mm)
- Neo Platinum 5w30 oil + Purolator filter
- Cam seal (metal + triple o-ringed)

Already installed:
- foam pod (very loud vtec)
- AFPR (set at 36psi, i still think i'm running rich though)
- voltage stabilizer + grounding wires.

TO purchase later and install as a set:
- Puck Clutch
- Light flywheel
- OBX LSD

- Tein SS or D2 coilovers
- Slotted rotors + braided lines

[Benson]

$266 per kilowatt, sorry dude but it sounds a bit much, am i right ne1?

Damn thats expensive as. If you know what parts to get that performs, its no way near $266 per kilowatt..

[JohnnyVtec]

Damn thats expensive as. If you know what parts to get that performs, its no way near $266 per kilowatt..

HAHA yeah ok chief......

[JohnnyVtec]

There's an absolute *night & day* difference in my car. It's about the same difference in swapping a stock 350 small block chev over to a mildly cammed 396 big block.

:thumbsup: Enjoy your build!

Oh and by the way, i'm running 30 psi on my fpr. started @ 38psi and turned it down in 2 psi incs. it seems to be happiest there....

[dsp26]

There's an absolute *night & day* difference in my car. It's about the same difference in swapping a stock 350 small block chev over to a mildly cammed 396 big block.

:thumbsup: Enjoy your build!

Oh and by the way, i'm running 30 psi on my fpr. started @ 38psi and turned it down in 2 psi incs. it seems to be happiest there....

hey mate. thanks for that. could you please explain what mods you have and why you turned it down to 30psi?

i searched and found stock was 30-37psi vac on and 40-47psi vac off. can some please correct that if it's wrong or tell me the exact proper stock fpr rating?

i noticed the high cam also doesn't sound anywhere near as loud on 30psi and i got scared and thought i was running too lean....

[TODA AU]

43.5psi - vac disconnected.

[JohnnyVtec]

hey mate. thanks for that. could you please explain what mods you have and why you turned it down to 30psi?

i searched and found stock was 30-37psi vac on and 40-47psi vac off. can some please correct that if it's wrong or tell me the exact proper stock fpr rating?

i noticed the high cam also doesn't sound anywhere near as loud on 30psi and i got scared and thought i was running too lean....

No worries,

Sorry bout all the confusion. All my mods are listed in this thread. I adjusted my fpr with vacum connected to 30psi Because a M8 of mine religiously runs his 180-200fwhp B-series Builds on 38psi and told me that i wouldnt need quite that much. I'm always a bit careful when it comes to things like taking chances in burning up my engine. So against his advice, i ran the engine through @ 38psi in the general rpm range and found that even though i wasnt getting any knock, the engine seemed to bog and stink of fuel out the exhaust from idle-around 4000rpm. This meaning to me that there was definately too much fuel in the low end. I have a Apexi power fc so i put it through the motions with the monitoring. The stock standard injectors were actually running 100% duty cycle @ 7600rpm-rev limit. Long story short, I'm now @ 30psi Amazing throttle response and my Inj duty cycle isn't max'd out until rev limiter kicks.

My engine itself is very quiet now just need to get rid of my louda$$ muffler...

I've also included my AFR sheet and a link here to key information about honda fuel systems.

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/features/0206ht_honda_fuel_systems/


Hope this helps:thumbsup:

[dsp26]

^^^ i'm a dick sorry... i did read this whole thread and forgot the whole thread was about your setup :p

did you measure it while it was on load though? as knock won't happen unless the car is on load... by the sounds of it you did it at idle coz you were sniffing for petrol at the exhaust hehehe

but i'm also aware you have a tuned power fc so may not be relevant to most of us at this stage... i just can't tell coz the high cam is so loud!!!

but yeah i'll dyno it soon prior to putting the mods on as half of them have arrived already.

if anyones interested also i have a source for 2.5in 300cell hi flow metal cats for under AU$200 delivered!!!

[JohnnyVtec]

No worries,

LOL yeh bloke... The answer to your question is in my previous post. it bogged when i drove it....