JUN vs. TODA: Camshafts

[AsH_]

ive been thinking of purchasing some new camshafts...


not sure whether to save up heaps and go TODA or just go for JUN...

has any1 got these in their car???? and wat do you think is a better choice if there is...

[Perry]

which Spec TODA you planning to get and same for Jun aswell

[todas**t]

toda cams r old design they need to change the design..

[AsH_]

spec C...

[todas**t]

spec C r made for cars that rev to 11 or 12 vtec kicks at 7 for a b18c if u put it on a stock itr motor u only got 2000 rpm of GGzzz...and for a b16a its kicks in at 7.5...skunk and m22 cams make about the same power with a early vtec

[AsH_]

spec C r made for cars that rev to 11 or 12 vtec kicks at 7 for a b18c if u put it on a stock itr motor u only got 2000 rpm of GGzzz...and for a b16a its kicks in at 7.5...

actually at 5,800rpm stock B16A

[todas**t]

actually at 5,800rpm stock B16A

yes but wen u put spec C in it will kick in later

[gelo]

i wouldnt consider spce C if the car is to be a daily driver
because the car wont have much drivablity
u will probably have to rev til 4000rpm to get the car to move or something

[sydteg21]

Get head job first la : )

[locote]

Sorry to go of subject but who sells JUN cams or supplies them??

[AsH_]

JUN vs TODA...


or are they just cams???

i was looking over the net and was curious as to wats a better brand to go fore in terms of performance... yeh im a daily driver(to from work) but i am inspired to take the car to the track...

[DreadAngel]

What about BuddyClub Spec III?

They seem to be okay or daily :)

[jdmTYPE R]

i wouldnt go for brands i would go for cams that work and reliable.... pm dynodave he has tested heaps of cams on different engines he can tell u what cams will work with your setup ..... both cams u sellected r good cams but used of different application..

[AsH_]

might see wat he says...

ive just always for some reason been attracted to toda...

the guy i got my car from works for toda...

[ZeForce]

Check this out....

http://www.importreview.com/reviews/todaVSjun3VStyper.html

[aaronng]

yes but wen u put spec C in it will kick in later

No it won't. VTEC changeover point depends on your ECU.

[locote]

Check this out....

http://www.importreview.com/reviews/todaVSjun3VStyper.html

A vafc was used to tune....
Not really the greatest tuning tool for after market cams..
Thats prob why the ITR cam did so well...

[DynoDave]

i wouldnt go for brands i would go for cams that work and reliable.... pm dynodave he has tested heaps of cams on different engines he can tell u what cams will work with your setup ..... both cams u sellected r good cams but used of different application..
Yes I will say it one more time there really are no cams better than any other's these days you must build the RIGHT COMBINATION of parts (to Quote Toda AU and he is 100% correct)when doing mods to your engine every manufacturer is going to say there's are better than the other brands.You really have to look at the big picture when chosing cams for your car and engine as
gearbox ratio's,wheel tire sizes,cars weight,do you have the rest of the bolts ons or internals to support bigger cams do you have a ECU that can help in making the cams good to drive around town and make power when you need it.From what I have seen myself on the dyno most guys just buy a known brand cam without really thinking is it the right cam/cams for them and yes I have used many brands and do have some cams that impress me with all round performance but are called junk by alot of so called guru's of the Honda internet forums because they are cheap and come out of China but when they are spec'd up they are just a copy of a cam that is worth 5 times the money.The best advice I can give on cam selection is look around you and see how cars are performing on the street/strip and dont just get caught out by dyno sheets as we all know how easy it is to make a product look good with bulls**t figures,below is a small list of cams I have tried and used.
Rocket Motorsports (B-D-H Series cams K series very soon)
Skunk2 both early stage1-3 and the new Pro Series
Toda Spec -A-B-C
Crower 99% of there Honda grinds
Blox
Jun
Spoon
Kelford (very big Honda supporters in NZ)
Comp Cams
Zex
Kent Cams
IPS (K Series only)
Now think what you all may but I have no real brand that I use as every cam can be made work with the right combination of parts and each combination is different in parts required to make power in a RPM range suitable to your needs it just never ends so think smart before you do anything and dont just think cams are what is needed there are many other things you need to do before fitting cams and will make better power than just a cam upgrade.
Regards Dyno Dave

[DynoDave]

No it won't. VTEC changeover point depends on your ECU.
Anyone that fits cams without a tunable ECU needs a kick in the bum as you HAVE to move the Vtec point to suit the cams/engine combination and not use the ECU setup for STD cams that is just very dumb :thumbdwn: and the reason most guys say the cams they just paid for dont work because they dont finish the whole job because they cant afford it simple DONT DO IT THEN.
Regards Dyno Dave

[fatboyz39]

the reason most guys say the cams they just paid for dont work because they dont finish the whole job because they cant afford it simple DONT DO IT THEN.
Regards Dyno Dave

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[barefootbonzai]

oh snap! just tell it how it is.

[Perry]

spec C...

I heard spec C's were good on 2L's from what i heard

[DynoDave]

I heard spec C's were good on 2L's from what i heard
Another internet myth :eek:
Regards Dyno Dave

[Perry]

Another internet myth :eek:
Regards Dyno Dave

ok thanks myth solved

[AsH_]

cams is one thing on my list...

its not the only thing im going to have installed wen i do...

i was told to round up all the parts thats required and do it all in one BIG hit...

[spoondc2]

I heard spec C's were good on 2L's from what i heard

How high can a 2L rev?
You talking about K20? If yes, skip this post

[TODA AU]

cams is one thing on my list...

its not the only thing im going to have installed wen i do...

i was told to round up all the parts thats required and do it all in one BIG hit...
That'd be the best way to do it.
What ever cams you end up with, be sure to use the other valve train components from the same manufacturer.
Ie: valve springs etc.
At least this will give you a match in your combination in this area.
You'll need an ECU, & upgraded fuel system.

Your header choice is critical, so to is exhaust system.
Any mistakes here & it will be a turd performer.
Some cam types work better with some header types. ;)
If you shop on price & mix'n match, chances are it won't work.
Good luck with it.

[faijai]

How high can a 2L rev?
You talking about K20? If yes, skip this post

Its Perry btw

I'm referring to b18c storke to 2L (darton sleeved) or b20 darton sleeved

[spoondc2]

Its Perry btw

I'm referring to b18c storke to 2L (darton sleeved) or b20 darton sleeved

Hello :)

Yeah, i am thinking how high could a 2L b series rev to since Toda C is a cam which produce max power on high rpm

[thebob]

Hi powers B20 revs to over 9 with jun cams.

[JohnnyVtec]

Hi powers B20 revs to over 9 with jun cams.

;) I wouldn't count on the sleeves lasting long, per that rev range....

[DynoDave]

;) I wouldn't count on the sleeves lasting long, per that rev range....
It will be fine its built correctly.
Regards Dyno Dave

[thebob]

I think the people that built it have a pretty fair of an idea on what they are doing.

[fishman]

I think the people that built it have a pretty fair of an idea on what they are doing.

yeah probably. cause it wasn't hi-power racing that built it. Just a create engine from overseas from what i've been told.

[thebob]

Yeah thats correct. Why not get it built in the place where the engines are built best.

[bennjamin]

can we keep this topic on JUN vs TODA cams please ?

Any experience with JUN cams , guys ?

Here is the specs for the JUN variety for B16/B18c



Type0 INT 58 (232) 6.5 73 (292) 11.7 61 (244) 9.0 0.17 1004M-H005 Reinforced valve springs required.
EXH 58 (232) 6.0 71 (284) 11.3 61 (244) 8.0 0.19 1004M-H105
Type1 INT 60 (240) 5.3 75 (300) 10.9 64 (256) 8.5 0.17 1004M-H001 EXH 65 (260) 8.0 75 (300) 10.0 61 (244) 4.8 0.19 1004M-H101
Type2 INT 60 (240) 5.3 75 (300) 12.0 65 (260) 8.0 0.17 1004M-H002 Reinforced valve springs required.
EXH 63 (252) 8.0 75 (300) 10.9 61 (244) 4.8 0.19 1004M-H102
Type3 INT 60 (240) 6.5 76 (304) 12.0 63 (252) 9.0 0.17 1004M-H003 EXH 63 (252) 8.7 76 (304) 11.5 60 (240) 6.2 0.19 1004M-H103

[todas**t]

any engine builder can do a good job with the right tools and knowlegde

[TODA AU]

Hello :)

Yeah, i am thinking how high could a 2L b series rev to since Toda C is a cam which produce max power on high rpm

Though the top end power is good,
It's the low end & mid range where these cams really shine.
In a sleeved B18C using a std stroke crankshaft, given the right combination,
You can expect peak power to arrive between 8500rpm & 9000rpm.
Depending on intake use, peak torque can arrive as early are 5000rpm.

The JUN type 3 can produce similar peak power.
Though it tends to have less mid range unless the combination is spot on.

[locote]

Spec Bs on a B18c 11:1 c/r, good header, ITR inlet manifold and powerFc tune= good combo???

[todaek9]

very interesting...
seems like todas**t knows alot...keep going...

anyway, it all ends up with, how much money you've got...
but anyway, i haven't seen any good engine builder anywhere around...but NZ seems to have some pretty impressive time with the K20's and the B20's...

No matter how well u know the figure, how good is your calculation, how well u know the cams, and how well u know it combust, with the similar cams, and similar internal, someone will surely find plenty more kw's from the place i see now where i'm in...

even until now, i don't understand why Vtec is still so slow in Aust...everyone got the talk, and where's the result???....hmmmmm....

[thebob]

Its probably because 90% of australian engine builders cannot set cams right.

[TODA AU]

Spec Bs on a B18c 11:1 c/r, good header, ITR inlet manifold and powerFc tune= good combo???
Potentially yes, however the intake, header & exhaust have to be up to the task also.
Cam timing is critical & best set using lift at TDC method.

[Hipowerracing]

yeah probably. cause it wasn't hi-power racing that built it. Just a create engine from overseas from what i've been told.

yes engine was built by my uncle overseas. i tried getting people to build it here but.. no one cn build a b20 properly here.

you can argue as much as you want but

i would much spent money on people that know what they are talking, than on people that think they know what they are talking.

btw my uncle is moving to qlds soon so we will finally have a good engine builder here..! woot!

most engine that are quick are from overseas, example Mario Supra (jun), kier wilson gtr (osgiken). Speedworks sr20det (jun), crydon Gtr (jun)... just to name a few
not forgeting hipowerracing b20 (jun) whahaha...:wave:

[Hipowerracing]

please be aware that jun also has a stage 4 cam.. but not sold to the public.
JUN CAMS
type 1 in my opinion is waste of time,
type 2 is better than stock type-r cams, buy these at least
type 3 Valve have to be shaven and have to get springs too need headwork done
type 4 you will have to modify cylinderhead as at high rpm your valves will clash therefore it's not sold to the public only to jun dealers (very complicated.. can't let too much secrets out..lol)

toda cams..
not sure dont use them. you just got to ask adrian im sure every products got it's pros and cons. choose wisely as that will determine the rev range and powerband of your car.

CAM setting is very important too.. do not set your camshafts on a dyno, they should be set with a degree wheel when the camshafts are being put in. use the specs on your camshaft (max cam nose position) to set your camshafts.

tuning on the dyno is tuning the ecu to match an engine,peroid!;

moving your camshafts on the dyno is setting your engine to match the tune.. Rubbish
(unless you have like 20000 gos on the dyno for power runs.) and also your valves will hit each other if you do it on the dyno first with out setting the cams first.

[todas**t]

Its probably because 90% of australian engine builders cannot set cams right.

YES i agree and also make you by there parts and cant tune for shit....

[online]

yes engine was built by my uncle overseas. i tried getting people to build it here but.. no one cn build a b20 properly here.

you can argue as much as you want but

i would much spent money on people that know what they are talking, than on people that think they know what they are talking.

btw my uncle is moving to qlds soon so we will finally have a good engine builder here..! woot!

most engine that are quick are from overseas, example Mario Supra (jun), kier wilson gtr (osgiken). Speedworks sr20det (jun), crydon Gtr (jun)... just to name a few
not forgeting hipowerracing b20 (jun) whahaha...:wave:

how much power you make?

[fishman]

oh shit, the big boys have tuned in.

[Hipowerracing]

how much power you make?

how much does your car make?

[ginganggooly]

yes engine was built by my uncle overseas. i tried getting people to build it here but.. no one cn build a b20 properly here.
:wave:

hahaha.... that is sure to rustle some feathers.

[grumpy rooster]

**Grabs the popcorn and sits down** :wave:

[evade]

as if you answer a question with a question..how rude haha

[online]

how much does your car make?

I'd say a shitload more than yours!!

[Hipowerracing]

I'd say a shitload more than yours!!

good on yah,,:wave:
haha...

we'll love to see you build a b20 all motor streetcar with stockbody.. i bet it will be fast...

[Civic Type R]

**Grabs the popcorn and sits down** :wave:
better make that 2

[grumpy rooster]

So where's the power figures boys. Share the love. :p

[.::F[L]Y::.]

**Grabs the popcorn and sits down** :wave:


:thumbsup:

[todas**t]

i bags middle row better view

[online]

good on yah,,:wave:
haha...

we'll love to see you build a b20 all motor streetcar with stockbody.. i bet it will be fast...

we only have a turbo B20 at the moment, runs 10.20.. might look at a B20 allmotor street car, might be fun.

[Perry]

I would like to see the figures aswell

[thebob]

online is that on slicks on know this is off topic just curious thats all.

[online]

online is that on slicks on know this is off topic just curious thats all.

yes it had full slicks, full interior and std chassis, only mod was a roll cage. The new setup has a full tube front end and extensive chassis mods. will be at Jamboree with the new setup. :)

[todaek9]

hmmm...B20...runs 10.83...good time...
wanna see a faster B20?
my point is that, even though you already may claimed the record, but there will be someone out there who are faster, but they might not wanna claim any fame...wats the point of arguing here? bring it to the strip, i'm sure that alot of people will turn up that day...good luck...

[online]

hmmm...B20...runs 10.83...good time...
wanna see a faster B20?
my point is that, even though you already may claimed the record, but there will be someone out there who are faster, but they might not wanna claim any fame...wats the point of arguing here? bring it to the strip, i'm sure that alot of people will turn up that day...good luck...

Who is this comment directed to?

[fishman]

Who is this comment directed to?

I think that guy is just lost. :confused:

[xtercii]

Internet arguing is fun and to a certain extend, important, as forums are viewed by tens of thousands of people so you do get a great acknowledgement there, but bottom line is you do need to run good times to back up your argument, otherwise it’s just meaningless shit talking which can be fun too sometimes haha…

[ginganggooly]

hmmm...B20...runs 10.83...good time...
wanna see a faster B20?
my point is that, even though you already may claimed the record, but there will be someone out there who are faster, but they might not wanna claim any fame...wats the point of arguing here? bring it to the strip, i'm sure that alot of people will turn up that day...good luck...


umm, not in australia love.

[locote]

Internet arguing is fun and to a certain extend, important, as forums are viewed by tens of thousands of people so you do get a great acknowledgement there, but bottom line is you do need to run good times to back up your argument, otherwise it’s just meaningless shit talking which can be fun too sometimes haha…

Exactly!!!!
But theres ppl out there who say their car isnt built for straightline speed...
Just corners...
Its a street registered vehicle, not a race car. If it was you wouldnt drive it every day...
Wouldnt a car that goes faster in a straight line be even faster when it comes to corners IF its suspension is setup for going round bends???
BTW im not talking bout all out drag cars..
Where talking daily drivers which is what most of us have...
I belive a well balanced package street car is what most of us aim for..
Just some like to make up excuses for their lack of achievement..
(this wasnt directed to any one who posted in this thread)

[grumpy rooster]

I still don't see any power figures. ;)

All I know is that our car would have the least power of the top NA cars. No JUN or TODA cams either. Good old Honda OEM. :D

[locote]

Bigger displacement hey

[ginganggooly]

how much power is yours making grumpy??

i remember reading somewhere on ozhonda that it was around the 130kw region... is that about right?

if so, my edumacated guess is that the gen 2 crx running a very similar time and terminal speed probably has a similar output...

given the law of diminishing returns... it is my internet expert opinion that there is more than a little truth in the "shitload" comment from online :)
10sec crx vs 12 sec crx... it's a world of difference.

[Civic Type R]

Ladies, this is a thread to discuss JUN cams and Toda cams.

No one really cares in this immature bickering over how much Horsepower one has, nor who has the fastest B20. Online has proven his ability with solid records on the strip and thats where he does his talking - not here!

Keep it real :)

[Benson]

Exactly!!!!
But theres ppl out there who say their car isnt built for straightline speed...
Just corners...
Its a street registered vehicle, not a race car. If it was you wouldnt drive it every day...
Wouldnt a car that goes faster in a straight line be even faster when it comes to corners IF its suspension is setup for going round bends???
BTW im not talking bout all out drag cars..
Where talking daily drivers which is what most of us have...
I belive a well balanced package street car is what most of us aim for..
Just some like to make up excuses for their lack of achievement..
(this wasnt directed to any one who posted in this thread)

I guess people who spent a heap of moeny on there cars dont want to embrass themselves when they run a crap time down the 1/4 mile. I know for a fact that our stock b18c7 motor with bolt-ons was much quicker than a built engine from a well-known workshop. Some people are mostly all talk and no action. Just because they spent more money than some of us, doesnt necessarily mean they are quicker than you. Our timeslips talks for itself.

I know how you feel when you beat someone and they say their car is built for track. Its all jsut bulshit.. haha There jsut too gutless to admit a loss.

Our cars are not specifically built for straight line, we are more into circuit racing. But hey, we still get out there and put down respectable times just to prove a point. And yes, our cars are daily driven.

[grumpy rooster]

how much power is yours making grumpy??

i remember reading somewhere on ozhonda that it was around the 130kw region... is that about right?

if so, my edumacated guess is that the gen 2 crx running a very similar time and terminal speed probably has a similar output...

given the law of diminishing returns... it is my internet expert opinion that there is more than a little truth in the "shitload" comment from online :)
10sec crx vs 12 sec crx... it's a world of difference.

Yes thats right, about 130kw. Our car is probably a bit lighter than the HiPower CRX so they might have a bit more, say 140kw. But the Online boys would have to be making over 180kw (~250hp) with theirs. Remember I'm talking at the wheels figures here. :)

I wonder how close I am.....:)

[.::F[L]Y::.]

I guess people who spent a heap of moeny on there cars dont want to embrass themselves when they run a crap time down the 1/4 mile. I know for a fact that our stock b18c7 motor with bolt-ons was much quicker than a built engine from a well-known workshop. Some people are mostly all talk and no action. Just because they spent more money than some of us, doesnt necessarily mean they are quicker than you. Our timeslips talks for itself.

I know how you feel when you beat someone and they say their car is built for track. Its all jsut bulshit.. haha There jsut too gutless to admit a loss.

Our cars are not specifically built for straight line, we are more into circuit racing. But hey, we still get out there and put down respectable times just to prove a point. And yes, our cars are daily driven.


amen....:thumbsup:

[Hipowerracing]

cmon boys stop bickering.. no point to prove ourselves just help the boy choose the right cams for his car.. :)

havent put our crx on the dyno yet.. but hey who gives a shit.. our b20 is N.A. using JUN parts and it works so.. thats my experience if yur car makes more power or is faster using other cams or components just post it up and share..

the boy is not building a drag weapon, he is building something like the one600 CRX street driven everyday work car. which is why i share with him on my cam settings, and cams selection. if you dont agree with what i say then why dont you post up your ideas and your methods.. and the boy can choose which side of the coin he wants to listen too...

end of the day i use JUN CAMSHAFTS STAGE 3 and my everyday drive car does a 12.38 113mph with a slipping clutch and no slicks. NA.

btw check this out pretty accurate i think..
http://www.zerotohundred.com/amf/amfcalculator.htm

[barefootbonzai]

btw check this out pretty accurate i think..
http://www.zerotohundred.com/amf/amfcalculator.htm


This link is sweet as. I reckon the weight + MPH is about perfect.

Shows you how much difference just weight really does.

But i think the power reading is US hp so it's much higher than what anyone would get here.

[AsH_]

wow watta big thread...

cost differences the toda are more expensive...

yeh its my everyday car...

but i'd like to toughen the car up and give it some more power...

and ppl plz dont tell me to turbo it as i been told that so many times...

NA best !!!

sure it'll take me a while to save up, but i want the job done right... if im going to invest time and money i want to bring out the potential of my car... my cars handling is fantastic, just need to give it some more power and strength...

its not going to be the best car on the roads but its my car, doesnt matter if its a THE NA Powerhouse... end of the day... im always going to enjoy the car...

[Civic Type R]

btw check this out pretty accurate i think..
http://www.zerotohundred.com/amf/amfcalculator.htm

nice: I entered in my old civic.


Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method


Your Honda Civic weighs about 2570 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 14.16 seconds. That means that you've got about 178.91 HP at the wheels, and about 232.58 HP at the flywheel. :angel:

[e240]

For the comments on the driveability of Spec C's, I'm not sure how many of you who commented have actually used Spec C's and not just rely on hear say.

I'm using Spec C's and have no issue with both idling and driveability. The car pulls pretty smoothly from idle, has really good midrange. Even though the hi cam comes in later (7500rpm -I rev till 9 so it gives me another 1500rpm), the engine makes good power all the way for its class. Overall, I'm happy with the performance and driveability for a 1.6.

The only caveat is, the heads need to be built well with matching parts.
The work was done at Toda Australia.

[ginganggooly]

I've driven an LS/Vtec running c's. I thought the bottom end was pretty healthy, quite similar to my b18c with itr cams. When it hit vtec at 7x00rpm- hoo boy... weapon.

[Benson]

For the comments on the driveability of Spec C's, I'm not sure how many of you who commented have actually used Spec C's and not just rely on hear say.

I'm using Spec C's and have no issue with both idling and driveability. The car pulls pretty smoothly from idle, has really good midrange. Even though the hi cam comes in later (7500rpm -I rev till 9 so it gives me another 1500rpm), the engine makes good power all the way for its class. Overall, I'm happy with the performance and driveability for a 1.6.

The only caveat is, the heads need to be built well with matching parts.
The work was done at Toda Australia.

Just out of curiosity, how much kw did u gain from your headwork from Toda?

Have you ran your car down the 1/4? This is just for comparison

[e240]

Just out of curiosity, how much kw did u gain from your headwork from Toda?

Have you ran your car down the 1/4? This is just for comparison

The gain wasn't so much in Peak power, so I don't think the kw figure would
answer anything rather create more arguments. Needless to say, its a good figure for a 1.6.

Never done quarter miles.

[barefootbonzai]

wakefield then?

[Perry]

Just out of curiosity, how much kw did u gain from your headwork from Toda?

Have you ran your car down the 1/4? This is just for comparison

Here we goooooooo :cool:

[locote]

166hp wawee bit high lol.
last NA dyno was 120hp
and only 165whp with 7psi
Waw my S15 had 328hp according to this
calculator is a bit out hey??

[todas**t]

The gain wasn't so much in Peak power, so I don't think the kw figure would
answer anything rather create more arguments. Needless to say, its a good figure for a 1.6.

Never done quarter miles.

let me guess u got 135kw+ on toda dyno..

[todaek9]

Who is this comment directed to?

To you online, you've written 10.83 OZ fastest, so i also assume that you hold the record...
No offence, but i've seen faster, but it is a really impressive time though for a b20...

and to people who wanna choose between TODA or JUN, one bit of info, save up abit more $$$ before you head on towards those >290 degree hi-cams...you are firing a hole in your wallet if you don't have another spare...

[e240]

wakefield then?

LOL...never done wakefield either.

[e240]

wow watta big thread...

cost differences the toda are more expensive...

yeh its my everyday car...

but i'd like to toughen the car up and give it some more power...

and ppl plz dont tell me to turbo it as i been told that so many times...

NA best !!!

sure it'll take me a while to save up, but i want the job done right... if im going to invest time and money i want to bring out the potential of my car... my cars handling is fantastic, just need to give it some more power and strength...

its not going to be the best car on the roads but its my car, doesnt matter if its a THE NA Powerhouse... end of the day... im always going to enjoy the car...

Be abit more open minded.

Do consider the turbo route. Properly setup, it can be very cost effective.
If you really want power from NA, consider going up in capacity first before the cams.

[online]

To you online, you've written 10.83 OZ fastest, so i also assume that you hold the record...
No offence, but i've seen faster, but it is a really impressive time though for a b20...

and to people who wanna choose between TODA or JUN, one bit of info, save up abit more $$$ before you head on towards those >290 degree hi-cams...you are firing a hole in your wallet if you don't have another spare...

The car has done 10 full passes with limited tuning and development, where have you seen faster? The USA.. million dollar budgets are a little different.. oh and it's a H22A. New engine combo will be ready for Jambo..

[AsH_]

Be abit more open minded.

Do consider the turbo route. Properly setup, it can be very cost effective.
If you really want power from NA, consider going up in capacity first before the cams.

im not very interested in turbos... sure you can pack a Sh*t load more punch outta them but i prefer NA...

i once drove my friends S15 and the whole turbo thing wasnt so big for me... i prefer NA...

The sound of NA engine roaring with all its might is what really does it for me.

[fatboyz39]

The car pulls pretty smoothly from idle, has really good midrange. Even though the hi cam comes in later (7500rpm -I rev till 9 so it gives me another 1500rpm), the engine makes good power all the way for its class. Overall, I'm happy with the performance and driveability for a 1.6.



Your vtec kicks in at 7500rpm? If you don't mind me asking, how much power did you manage you pull out of your b16a?

[todaek9]

Back in my country, Msia, uses B20, also a mid 10sec pass...
I'm not saying your car is not quick, but i'm just saying there is one which is in my mind is quicker, chill...

If you say USA, there is one which done 9.97, but tube frame EG chasis, and std body, using TODA D cams, B20 setup, which i think is quite impressive...There is also one, H22A + some huge turbo in the USA..looks impressive, but abit dissapointing...

Yea, i hope u do well in your car as well with the new setup, its seldom to see a Vtec run that quick, i think u must have spend years studying, porting, building and bla bla bla...


The car has done 10 full passes with limited tuning and development, where have you seen faster? The USA.. million dollar budgets are a little different.. oh and it's a H22A. New engine combo will be ready for Jambo..

[.::F[L]Y::.]

Here we goooooooo :cool:

hehe

how about you perry? any 1/4 mile times to share with us??

[todaek9]

Hmm...Hi RPM Vtec point...very similar to what i have done last time...hmm...killing low and mid, giving it all to Hi-end...i wonder what has he done to the B16a...reving till 10,800rpm??? camon...please share...i'm very interested...hi-reving monster...super hi comp...giving me goose bump...



Your vtec kicks in at 7500rpm? If you don't mind me asking, how much power did you manage you pull out of your b16a?

[todas**t]

u sure u havent got a t88 turbo under your bonnet??? full boost at 7500 and redlines at 9000...

[fatboyz39]

Hmm...Hi RPM Vtec point...very similar to what i have done last time...hmm...killing low and mid, giving it all to Hi-end...i wonder what has he done to the B16a...reving till 10,800rpm??? camon...please share...i'm very interested...hi-reving monster...super hi comp...giving me goose bump...

That'll be a fun to drive aye?

[todaek9]

no no..no fun to drive...bad fuel consumption... :(

[Perry]

Y::.;1130464']hehe

how about you perry? any 1/4 mile times to share with us??

hey hey leave me out of this I havent did 1/4 miled yet,

[todas**t]

hey hey leave me out of this I havent did 1/4 miled yet,

wonder why????....:p or should u give it to your mechanic/tuner to drive it..that way he cant rig the timeslips

[Benson]

wonder why????....:p or should u give it to your mechanic/tuner to drive it..that way he cant rig the timeslips

Leave perry alone.. haha :p

We all have to wait until he takes in down the 1/4 mile...

[TAKEN]

Back in my country, Msia, uses B20, also a mid 10sec pass...
I'm not saying your car is not quick, but i'm just saying there is one which is in my mind is quicker, chill...

If you say USA, there is one which done 9.97, but tube frame EG chasis, and std body, using TODA D cams, B20 setup, which i think is quite impressive...There is also one, H22A + some huge turbo in the USA..looks impressive, but abit dissapointing...

Yea, i hope u do well in your car as well with the new setup, its seldom to see a Vtec run that quick, i think u must have spend years studying, porting, building and bla bla bla...

which country are you from?

[superR]

rig the timeslips
Based on this & all of your other comments, it's official.
You are mentally retarded.
I feel sorry for you dude as there is no cure...

[e240]

Based on this & all of your other comments, it's official.
You are mentally retarded.
I feel sorry for you dude as there is no cure...

Thats why I've been ignoring him...There's no benefit in talking to him.

[todas**t]

Based on this & all of your other comments, it's official.
You are mentally retarded.
I feel sorry for you dude as there is no cure...

im just stating the true i guess it hurts right...


Thats why I've been ignoring him...There's no benefit in talking to him.

another one of the victim hahhahah

[bennjamin]

only bias opinions here.

Both TODA and JUN make decent camshafts.

its up to YOU as a person to decide on WHO to get the camshafts installed / tuned on etc.

CLosed