Help for installing mugen Ecu

[DOHCVTEC]

hi all, just wondering if anyone knows what processes is needed to install the mugen ecu apart from pluging in
is there anything u need to set/disable etc etc?

[Civic Type R]

plug and play.

But you will need to get a Walbro 450HP fuel pump or you will starve the engine of fuel. The Mugen ECUs are quite thirsty! Then get the installers of the fuel pump to test the Fuel PSI. Have it set to about 50 and you're set.

O.. and say goodbye to Aircon.

[DOHCVTEC]

haha do i loose aircon?
also does the ecu readjusts the mapping like the stock ecus?

[Civic Type R]

Read my post on the bottom of this page:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63946&page=6

Yes you lose Aircon.

The Mugen N1 ECU is a OBD2 ECU and it does have the ability to learn just like any other OBD2 ECUs (like the one you have now)

[arron]

Where on earth did you get your hands on one of these? And how much would you be looking at for one of these?

[DOHCVTEC]

thnx civic type R i think i read one of ur post before about the gains,
but thanks that was of great help!

[Civic Type R]

Where on earth did you get your hands on one of these? And how much would you be looking at for one of these?

I bought it when i got my B18 R race motor.
Cost is about $1100

[VT3C]

*HONDATA FTW* oooh dont have a chipped ECU ohhh noooo... LOL jokes.

you might need to get out the timing gun also and check timing with the new ECU as some ECU's wickedly advance the ignition.. these JDM ECU's are tuned for 100RON fuel (Aust premium = 98RON) so you may even need to retard the ignition timing ever so slightly.

if you dont have a timing gun etc - go find the steepest hill you can and roll up it in 4th gear at about 60km/hr and then floor it and listen out for pinging. if it pings you need to retard the timing.

[DOHCVTEC]

hmmm lets hope it doesnt ping:o...

[Civic Type R]

*HONDATA FTW* oooh dont have a chipped ECU ohhh noooo... LOL jokes.

you might need to get out the timing gun also and check timing with the new ECU as some ECU's wickedly advance the ignition.. these JDM ECU's are tuned for 100RON fuel (Aust premium = 98RON) so you may even need to retard the ignition timing ever so slightly.

if you dont have a timing gun etc - go find the steepest hill you can and roll up it in 4th gear at about 60km/hr and then floor it and listen out for pinging. if it pings you need to retard the timing.

Dont make this confusing.
That may be true for some JDM ECUs but we're referring to the Mugen one.
For more technical advice, speak to Andrew @ RaceTorque.(Perth) They tuned and built my car with the Mugen ECU.

[VT3C]

i'd walk west if the mugen ECU doesnt advance the ignition timing much more aggressively than stock ECU.

[Civic Type R]

Remember i also had a bad O2 sensor which threw out a few ECU error codes Bede. So no need to walk anywhere...unless you want to give me a hug :)

RaceTorque had to reset the timing and as this was done over 2 years ago I cant honestly remember but here are the results I posted back then..

Tuning Test results :
Ignition timing was 3-4degrees out (16).
fuel was too lean and now it fine with the installment of a 450HP Walbro fuel pump.
fuel is a tad rich at idle - low rpm -12-12.5 but at peak rpm its around 13.7.
Injectors are fine.
Mugen ECU is fine
Fuel pressure is fine and the rest is A ok :)
yay !

[ProECU]

if you dont have a timing gun etc - go find the steepest hill you can and roll up it in 4th gear at about 60km/hr and then floor it and listen out for pinging. if it pings you need to retard the timing.

OMGLMFAO - great advice....:thumbdwn:

[ginganggooly]

if you dont have a timing gun etc - go find the steepest hill you can and roll up it in 4th gear at about 60km/hr and then floor it and listen out for pinging. if it pings you need to retard the timing.

:eek:

[fatboyz39]

if you dont have a timing gun etc - go find the steepest hill you can and roll up it in 4th gear at about 60km/hr and then floor it and listen out for pinging. if it pings you need to retard the timing.

Lovely advice.:thumbdwn:

Go to a local mechanic and get the timing checked out. If ask nicely theyll might do it for free, if not around $20 max.

[VT3C]

OMGLMFAO - great advice....:thumbdwn:


:eek:


Lovely advice.:thumbdwn:

Go to a local mechanic and get the timing checked out. If ask nicely theyll might do it for free, if not around $20 max.


OK then mr Experts ;) WHY ?? justify your fkn posts !! WHY is that bad advice ???

I realise you all like to pay workshops to everything and anything.. but seriously, justify your responses or dont bother to post.

I noticed you didnt offer any options for testing your timing yourselves or is that cause you dont even know what pinging is ? LMFAO !

how do YOU test anything on your cars ?

if you're just flaming me for the sake of it then that's great but you need to find a new hobby. :cool:

[bennjamin]

OK then mr Experts ;) WHY ?? justify your fkn posts !! WHY is that bad advice ???

I realise you all like to pay workshops to everything and anything.. but seriously, justify your responses or dont bother to post.

...............


how do YOU test anything on your cars ?


WHY do you need to ask WHY ? This means you have no idea WHY its NOT the way to set timing.

I cannot believe you would suggest something like that - it just leads to OTHERS copying you - and possibly ruining engines etc. OR askign stupid questions like....

" a expert on OZHONDA told me to drive up a hill and listen for pining noises. How come that didnt set my timing like he said ?"


Read here silly -

(taken from http://www.centuryperformance.com/timing.asp)



What Tools Do I Need to be Able To Work On My Ignition System?

The tools you need to work on your ignition system are not too complicated. Read the listing and the descriptions below.

Basic Hand Tools: This includes screwdrivers, box end wrenches, socket set (usually 3/8" drive) and possibly in metric for newer applications, and in standard for older vehicles.

Timing Light: http://www.centuryperformance.com/images/tech/timelite.gif (http://www.centuryperformance.com/images/timelite.jpg)OK, before you freak out I'll tell you up front .. "This is nearly the 21st Century, you need tools that are correct for the time and technology available". What this means is that you need an ADVANCE TIMING LIGHT. This is a timing light that is adjustable so that you do not have to shoot the high numbers on your timing tab (over zero) or fully degree your balancer to be accurate, as well as view, high RPM timing readings. You adjust the timing light to always read "Zero" on the balancer/timing tab. You will adjust the light to read zero at a given RPM and then read "the light" to give you the actual timing. If this is confusing, oh well, buy one and read the directions! Expect to ante up a BIG dent in the checking account for an accurate and reliable advance timing light ... the computerized Snap-On® advance timing light (at right) is the one I use and it costs nearly $400.00. You can also order a generic low-priced advance timing light from Harbor Freight Tools (http://www.harborfreight.com/) for about $40.00.

To you "older folk", this is like a hand-held replacement of a "no longer made" Sun Distributor Machine. You can do everything the distributor machine did, but with the engine in the car. A bit more strenuous, but less $$$ than the big machine and easier to carry around.

Digital Multi-Meter/Ohm Meter: http://www.centuryperformance.com/images/tech/FlukeDMM.jpg (http://www.centuryperformance.com/images/FlukeDMM.jpg)Yes, this can be "expensive item #2" if you want the quality of a Fluke (brand name) Digital Multi-Meter (DMM). I will not bother to scare you with the pricing, only to say you will be up into 4-digits! If you work on late model vehicles, this tool is more useful and used more often than a screwdriver.

You use the DMM to measure voltages at all sources on a vehicle, measure resistance, electronic pulse widths, troubleshoot power spikes, and more. This tool is definitely a required friend if you want to take the time to learn and use it's features and time saving benefits it gives you.

Tests include: Plug wire resistance with the Ohm Meter, primary and secondary coil tests, voltage spikes, Battery voltage, charging voltage, amperage draw, dwell (if you use contact points ... hehehe, excuse me as I laugh at Model "A" technology), temperature readings, electrical shorts, battery drains, and even more tests if your vehicle is computer-controlled.

Vacuum Gauge: I will not describe it's benefits here, but it is a mandatory tool for anyone's tool box. More info on Vacuum Gauge Tuning is HERE (http://www.centuryperformance.com/vacuum.asp). I will not describe it's benefits here, but it is a mandatory tool for anyone's tool box. More info on Vacuum Gauge Tuning is HERE (http://www.centuryperformance.com/vacuum.asp). I will not describe it's benefits here, but it is a mandatory tool for anyone's tool box. More info on Vacuum Gauge Tuning is HERE (http://www.centuryperformance.com/vacuum.asp). I will not describe it's benefits here, but it is a mandatory tool for anyone's tool box. More info on Vacuum Gauge Tuning is HERE (http://www.centuryperformance.com/vacuum.asp).

Specialty Tools: Specialty tools are any tool that is optimized for working on a vehicle's ignition system. Specialty tools are any tool that is optimized for working on a vehicle's ignition system. Specialty tools are any tool that is optimized for working on a vehicle's ignition system. Specialty tools are any tool that is optimized for working on a vehicle's ignition system.

These include:

Specialty wrenches designed for distributor hold down bolt tightening and removal.
Plug wire "puller pliers" to prevent boot damage when removing the plug wires from the spark plugs.
Spark Plug "Starters" that are basically a piece of flexible rubber tubing the goes over top of plug to ease plug installation into the cylinder head.
Spark Plug Gapping Tool ... you get what you pay for and the feeler wire (or gauge) method is not the accurate or fast way.
Spark Plug Wire assembly tools (stripper, crimper, etc).
Other Possible Tool Requirements Include:

Tools for finding TDC (Top Dead Center), usually part of a camshaft degree kit.
4 or 5-Gas Analyzer. Yes, this is a smog machine ... most of you will not be able to get one or afford it, though this machine is a definite helper for finding optimum timing settings based upon exhaust gas emissions. I will not describe the procedure here, but it works! If you have a friend that has a shop and he or she offers you access to it, it can be an invaluable tuning device.
Shop manuals as well as ignition product documentation. This is good for stock as well as performance ignition product applications.
back to top (http://www.centuryperformance.com/timing.asp)


....it is NOT as simple as driving up a incline in 4th gear and "Hearing" for noise. That is NOT accurate at all.

[ginganggooly]

OK then mr Experts ;) WHY ?? justify your fkn posts !! WHY is that bad advice ???

I realise you all like to pay workshops to everything and anything.. but seriously, justify your responses or dont bother to post.

I noticed you didnt offer any options for testing your timing yourselves or is that cause you dont even know what pinging is ? LMFAO !

how do YOU test anything on your cars ?

if you're just flaming me for the sake of it then that's great but you need to find a new hobby. :cool:

If you knew what pinging was, you'd not be telling people to intentionally induce pinging to "test" ignition advance. That is the height of stupidity.

Idiocy of this magnitude is bad enough on it's own, it's infinitely worse when you pass it off as gospel and actually suggest the methodology as sound practice.

So listen here smart ****, next time you ask someone to justify their comments, take a good, hard look at your own information and make sure you're factually correct before you ark up about it.

Surely this dipshit deserves having his rep points taken away. :thumbdwn:

[VT3C]

wtf ? so now u need to spend $500 jsut to be able to set your timing ?

whoa !! you guys are mega suckers !

you set your timing using the timing gun (~$80) then to TEST for detonation.. drive up a hill.. works for me and everyone else I know.

if ti pings then you need to retard the timing..

but hey I can tell MY technical advice is not wanted here and you BENJAMIN even resort to getting personal and name calling - which is just pathetic considering you're meant to be a MODERATOR and setting the standard.

I wont post any more advice.. dont worry.. and here come the "good !!" posts to follow.. pfftt

OZHONDA = SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.

[bennjamin]

wtf ? so now u need to spend $500 jsut to be able to set your timing ?

whoa !! you guys are mega suckers !

you set your timing using the timing gun (~$80) then to TEST for detonation.. drive up a hill.. works for me and everyone else I know.

if ti pings then you need to retard the timing..

but hey I can tell MY technical advice is not wanted here and you BENJAMIN even resort to getting personal and name calling - which is just pathetic considering you're meant to be a MODERATOR and setting the standard.

I wont post any more advice.. dont worry.. and here come the "good !!" posts to follow.. pfftt

OZHONDA = SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.


You gave incorrect technical advice ? what more do you want ;)
If SILLY is a name call i dont know what to say lol.

As said above , anyone can read your comment (how to set timing) and think its the way to do it.
Once they do , they may make a mistake or distribute your INCORRECT information elsewhere. Its a vicious cycle.

[VT3C]

So listen here smart ****, next time you ask someone to justify their comments, take a good, hard look at your own information and make sure you're factually correct before you ark up about it.

Surely this dipshit deserves having his rep points taken away. :thumbdwn:

ohh yet another mature response from you (whoever you are)..

is incredible.. isnt the above posts in breach of ozhonda forum regulations ?

un-nexessary aggression and abuse.. members have been banned for this in the past.. unless the forum rules dont apply to those "HARDCORE" members ?!?!

:thumbdwn:



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why even bother with a technical section ? why not just post :

"if you have a technical problem, simply take your car and your credit card to your local performance workshop"..

[dreamshifter]

I vote 'agree to disagree' and let it end there.

Argue = Stop
Happiness = Happiness + 10

Horay 4 everyone!

[locote]

Ill stay outa this one!!!!

But then again The words have just come out of his mouth!!!!

And it has all been said before...

[locote]

If this was your FORUM VT3C every one who didnt use ur back yard tactics and spoke out would be banned

[fatboyz39]

Getting the timing checked for $20 is better then ruining a perfect working motor. So take whoevers advice you want about getting the timing done.

This thread has gone off topic, i reckon it should be closed.

[bennjamin]

summary above.
Take it to a mechanic to get timing done IF you dont want to spend money on a timign gun etc.

CLosed -

please pm me to reopen , if you want to discuss further on MUGEN ECU BOLT ON