Honda Civic - Turbo or Conversion??

[Honda_Pda]

Heys,

I have a 94 Vti Honda Civic Hatch.. It has a d16y1 engine in it and i was just wondering if i should get a bolt on turbo kit, or a b18 conversion.. Not sure which is worth putting money into.. Some people say its better to get the turbo kit..

Any suggestions??


Thanks

[locote]

Comes down to personal prefrence mate..
I got a EG5 aswell i couldnt decide like you.
So i got the conversion done B18c and then i turboed the B18c...
But i didnt realy like the turbo so now its NA...

N/a b18c u get all day every day reliability, turbo needs more $$ pored into it to get it right the 1st time other wise it will be an endless money pit...
theres a few guys that drive D16y1 turbos in the forum..
Wait till they have their say and weigh up ur options..
A properly tuned B18c with right mods = a kick ass civic.
My is pretty stock just exhaust and SRi and power FC done best time of 14.2. best turbo time for me was 13.9 but mph was 96 to turbo 103...

[d15z1SUX]

the scream of vtec? or the whooshing n pschhht and other various sounds of turbo? well one things for sure n/a wont attract as much attention unless your redlining it or something. unless you wanna be a fully sick kent with a turbo.

[Honda_Pda]

haehhae yeahs.. i always wanted the sound of a turbo in my car.. i know that maintaining a turbo'd civic is more costly then maintaining a civic with a conversion.. If i were to get a turbo kit.. it would most probably be a gReddy kit..

Is it worth getting the turbo??

[Sexc86]

depends how much research you wont to put into your project. If you want some simple and easy solution for a set amount of money go for an engine conversion.

However if you go down the boosted path, hold off, save your money do it right, do lots of research. A turbo kit will give you much better gains for the money then an engine conversion if done correctly however if you jump in and rush, do things dodge then yes will cost you twice the amount for possibly very little power gain.

Firstly Set yourself a goal with how much power you want or how fast you want your car to be, then find out what turbo you will need to make that power, then what fuel system you will need to supply it, then what sort of managment you want (overall the most important factor).

Or you could go down the path of pre made turbo kits, such as Greddy, AVO or low quality Ebay kits. Some of these can be quite low quality and limiting for future upgrade.

possibly a few pointers for you, plenty of good threds about civic turbo kids on here should do a search

[Honda_Pda]

Thanks for that..

Say i was to get a bolt on gReddy turbo kit.. will i need to do much research on it you say?

What would be the price differences??

[Drew]

N/A B18C

If you go turbo it will just be nuts to drive, where as a decent N/A setup will give you incredible gains but it won't be suicidal like the turbo

[aimre]

Get a greddy kit, leave it as is, and ull beat all these NA chumps

There ppl on here only running 4psi beating b16's

[Honda_Pda]

turbo sounds like the better option..

suicidal?? lolz.. Yeahs.. always wanted the blow off valve sound in my car..

is the gReddy turbo kit upgradeable to a bigger turbo??

[aimre]

turbo sounds like the better option..

suicidal?? lolz.. Yeahs.. always wanted the blow off valve sound in my car..

is the gReddy turbo kit upgradeable to a bigger turbo??

Yeah, but just leave it as is, otherwise ull need to do your bottom end too

[Q_ball]

N/A B18C

If you go turbo it will just be nuts to drive, where as a decent N/A setup will give you incredible gains but it won't be suicidal like the turbo

Suicidal to noob drivers maybe :p
I'd go turbo > NA almost ANY day.

[destrukshn]

just boost it already, do it right, and you'll have no probs.
=)

[XB-16-AX]

why dont u boost it then nos it!!

suicidal for sure!! :p

[Honda_Pda]

hahaha thanks guys..

Think i come up with my decision = turbo setup..

which turbo kit would be good??

i know gReddy is one option.. Any other??

[XB-16-AX]

you can try an AVO turbo kit!!

[VTi_b0i]

i had the same exact dilemma a few months ago and i went the B18c, and im really happy with it, but like everyone else now i want more, so in the not too distant future i may just be turboing that.
My b18 beats turbo d16s and if u do get the b18, if u have the money, the option to turbo that later on is always there...

[Honda_Pda]

yeahs.. i guess so..

does anybody know if a turbonetics turbo kit is any good??

[XB-16-AX]

yeahs.. i guess so..

does anybody know if a turbonetics turbo kit is any good??
they are as good but u will have to make sure that the "kit" you get has a programmable ECU of some sort.

otherwise it will be pointless and you car will run shitballs

[Honda_Pda]

yehas.. ill probably just stick with the gReddy turbo kit,

since it alreafdy comes with e-management

[d15z1SUX]

be a man!! do the right thing!!! (in hongky accent)

[aimre]

i had the same exact dilemma a few months ago and i went the B18c, and im really happy with it, but like everyone else now i want more, so in the not too distant future i may just be turboing that.
My b18 beats turbo d16s and if u do get the b18, if u have the money, the option to turbo that later on is always there...

How much power is your b18 making?

[Drew]

Suicidal to noob drivers maybe :p
I'd go turbo > NA almost ANY day.

Obviously you have never been in a B16A pulling 250kw...

Having said that Llew went through three gearboxes

[aimre]

Obviously you have never been in a B16A pulling 250kw...

Having said that Llew went through three gearboxes

Weq had a D-series running 220kw

[Q_ball]

Obviously you have never been in a B16A pulling 250kw...

Having said that Llew went through three gearboxes

Maybe not 250kw atw,
However, i have driven and still own my car which pulls 213kw atfw, with 592Nm of torque at 6300rpm.
AND, my gearbox is still intact.
I know wat torque steer is all about mate.

[Drew]

Awesome champ...

N/A is best

[Q_ball]

Awesome champ...

N/A is best

Moral of this story is,

Dont preach something to someone whom you dont know anything about,
Keep silly assumptions to yourself :)

[Drew]

Simply 250kw on a FWD may not be _actually_ suicidal like you will instantly die the second the boost comes on...

But at the end of the day it isn't exactly that drivable...

[defect]

yehas.. ill probably just stick with the gReddy turbo kit,

since it alreafdy comes with e-management

If your own a budget and dont mind a laggy setup, try the T3's from the skylines, thats what I have and its all smiles. I've beaten a couple of sr20det's with zorst and pod. not a bad setup at all. Look at my intro to see what other mods I have.

to the guy who beats turbo d16's with a b18c, which b18 do you have and what mods have you done? I'm curious to know which d16 turbos you have beaten. Ill give you a go for your money if you like... hahaha..

[locote]

the only D16 turbo i have been in was beastcivics.
And tell u wat the will make any B18c look like a moped.
But his was always garaged, so only went in it a few times..
Its useless info when ppl say they beat this they beat..
as u might race a 18sec skyline or silvia thats on its way out..
Take it to the drags and then we can all compare real times...
14.2 out of my near stock atmo B18c is my best time so far, still stock header, and stock map in powerFC...

[aimre]

Take it to the drags and then we can all compare real times...
14.2 out of my near stock atmo B18c is my best time so far, still stock header, and stock map in powerFC...

Turbo d will do that on 7psi

[Honda_Pda]

aheheh that sounds nice..
Anyone with a turbo d series with any suggestions??

[VTi_b0i]

How much power is your b18 making?
Ok i should have been more specific,
I ment i beat D series motors with Bolt on turbo kits and on stock Psi.
My mods are: Just bolt ons like CAI, full exhaust (stock headers tho) larger throttle body, skunk2 IM, and mugen head gasket,

And even so, no set amount of mods will make ur car get certain times, depends on the car, the driver, the state of the motors health, anything...

[NeRV]

if you've got the time and patience, you should piece together your own turbo kit and as you do that read on about whats good and bad. im still in the process of doing mine.

[thebob]

There is no better feeling then beating a boosted car with a bigger literage in a car that is NA and only 1.8.