Gruppe-M purchase! & review w/ pics

[XP02ED]

Ok My review :

Firstly Installation took about 2 hours, i actually had to modify my piping from the Typhoon K&N kit

Installation : Easy, it came with instruction which it wasnt a problem except the modification to the piping if you like to DIY you
should enjoy this. Only hard thing you may come across is removing the right hand side window thing.

Handy link on how to install :

http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=26070

Difference : This thing RAWRS like no other, once you hit 4th rev u start to hear the rawr, then vtec hits it scream so loud! I would say you can feel a big difference on the beginning gears, 1st 2nd and maybe 3rd.

Problems : The problem i have encountered is basically the clamps which it smudges against your injector wires which if you keep sliding can splice the wires, which i suggest to move the clamp from the left side to the right side.

Overall : Overall im happy with the product which i highly recommend it to any user looking for the ultimate performance mod for there car.

Rating : Cost vs Gain vs happiness, 10 out of 10

ENJOY!

[2002 TeGgY]

great buy man. saw your car a week ago when i was in syd near the mobile next mt druitt rta, looking good man.

[Mst_Mugen]

holly shit!! thats soo cheap!! whered u get it from??? dont forget to post up a review!!

[6000rpm]

thats cheap mayn!

[JDM.Power]

thats cheap 835, they usually around the 1050

[Tofu]

great work! props to you for doing your research, most prices for new jdm parts are overpriced here.

[XP02ED]

PS it aint BS.. i got mine ;D 3 days after!

[dyljoy]

I am using Mugen one, just thinking the difference bettween of Mugen and GruppM, i hope someone can give me some idea which one better~

[mikul_ha]

man so tempting...

[Chi]

I am using Mugen one, just thinking the difference bettween of Mugen and GruppM, i hope someone can give me some idea which one better~


Easily GruppeM

[[RSX 03]]

gruppe m is the shit!!

mugen is the poo....

[Sampson]

Hi if anyone else is intersted PM me and we will get them. I live qld boarder. 3 people $700 each wow :)

[air23box]

the intake temp is like 5 degree different.....Gruppe-M is lower but if you drive in direct airflow it won't be much different.....

[XP02ED]

heheh good luck guys ;D to bad i couldnt advertise it before to get more people to buy at the same time... ill be installing it tmz (pub holiday)

gna fit it into my k&N piping (might have to do sum custom stuff) but should be fun

the filter it uses is k&N too :D

[mikul_ha]

^review review

[X8TEENX]

does it come wif GruppeM air firlter?

[matt]

its a K&N filter

[Mst_Mugen]

umm.... if u can, go for a quick run with ur current intake b4 you install ur GruppeM intake, say... drive in 3rd gear to redline and try to remember the top end power... then after installation, do the same with the GruppeM intake.... i think the majority of us know that the gruppeM shits all over the other intakes interms of reponse, but does it also provide the best top end out of all the intakes??

[XP02ED]

*finger crossed* that it doesnt rain tmz morning,

i will be installing it tmz, using the k&N pipe from current intake

will provide review :D and yeh ill give that a got mst_mugen

[JDM-DC2R]

Wow... $700 is cheap~~
I wanna order 3. Looking to get 2 for DC5R and 1 for DC5S

Who should i contact? Possible to get further discount if more orders?

[05dc5S]

i want to order one for my dc5S too...

anyone from syd wanna organise?

[Tofu]

hmm...this seems like it's going to get a little out of hand...
everyone will want to use this channel to make money by selling these.

better get onto Hoya and order one asap.

[matt]

hmm...this seems like it's going to get a little out of hand...
everyone will want to use this channel to make money by selling these.

better get onto Hoya and order one asap.

ive been thinking the same thing...

[XP02ED]

hahah his a genuine guy which ive been dealing with for a bout 3 week making sure he aint a fraudster

ANYWAIZ ive installed it on this fu*n rainy day and WOW im so impressed at the output will update post #1

[45SET]

must keen mugen.... must not be talked in gruppe-M......

:p

even tho looking at that... i'm not to keen on the where the intake actully is.... rain would be a bitch

[Mst_Mugen]

hahah his a genuine guy which ive been dealing with for a bout 3 week making sure he aint a fraudster

ANYWAIZ ive installed it on this fu*n rainy day and WOW im so impressed at the output will update post #1

how u finding top end?? i guess its raining, so itd be hard to tell at this point.... would you consider putting on the plastic OEM rubber pipe and seeing how much of a difference the K&N pipe has over it???

[wuism]

did u have to modify the scoop or watever to open the bonnet??

[XP02ED]

ill let u knwo about top end once it clears up hehehe i cant tell u the difference with the piping as i dont have stock pipe

i didnt need to modify the scoop, it clears by about 3 mm

[obsessionz]

can rain get into the top scoop of intake.. that hangs out of bonnet?

[Kazaf]

How do they go for DC2R's?
Anyone looking to buy one for DC2R?
Maybe we can organise something.

[XP02ED]

Yeh thats what i thought to obsession, i did alot of research before buying

WHat happens is when water goes into the scoop, theres a gap which some water can fall out, the other the box has a design which the flow goes into like the box and it has like a bowl shape at the bottom with a hole which the excess water falls out of, if water goes through that theres the filter which ive hear people test it buy putting direct water from a hose and didnt have 1 problem

i have a question to the people who have the intake, does yours scream with OEM piping like a K&N SRI? (like an exhaust sound but screaming)

[45SET]

my mugen is still loud coming onto vtec... nothing like my K&N SRI.

my guess would be you have an opening on the window.... it would/should be loud :p

[Mst_Mugen]

its meant to sound somewat like a supercharger...hehe

[XP02ED]

ok, i tested it out last night as the road was dry, all i can say is WOW! its a ****n beast. race my cuzin, we both with 18's similar rims, so no big difference on weight

his cars stock, so is mine, cept for the filter and dang 0-200kms at the lights i beat him by about 2-3 car lengths.

to make sure one isnt a big difference better driver we swapped cars and similar result in the 2-3 car lengths range

[Tofu]

that's a huge difference
maybe perhaps when driving the one with the GruppeM the driver psychologically wanted to push harder...:P

[dyljoy]

that's a huge difference
maybe perhaps when driving the one with the GruppeM the driver psychologically wanted to push harder...:P

Still dreaming what different between stock DC5 with GruppM and Mugen intake...hoho

[TypeG]

Mugen is better

[mikul_ha]

ok, i tested it out last night as the road was dry, all i can say is WOW! its a ****n beast. race my cuzin, we both with 18's similar rims, so no big difference on weight

his cars stock, so is mine, cept for the filter and dang 0-200kms at the lights i beat him by about 2-3 car lengths.

to make sure one isnt a big difference better driver we swapped cars and similar result in the 2-3 car lengths range

hows the response in low - mid end compared to stock?
any power gains in the top end?

[Hullabaloo]

Do you normally need to get your car tunned when you change your intake?

[Tofu]

^ no tuning is required after you install your intake.



Mugen is better

personally i think Mugen intake with Mugen/Cwest front bumper>GruppeM>Mugen intake by itself.

[XP02ED]

www.xposed.com.au

[Lowa]

How do they go for DC2R's?
Anyone looking to buy one for DC2R?
Maybe we can organise something.

apparently the intake for dc2r's arnt as good as the dc5r's, for the dc2r it's pretty much just a CF heat shield over the pod, getting a mugen intake would be a better way to spend the money. My 2c anyway

[XP02ED]

www.xposed.com.au

[EL_DC5]

Is the Injen CAI even comparable with the Gruppe-M. on a Stock new Type S?

[obsessionz]

injen works differently its a cool air intake... which sits at the front of your bumper rushes cold air in from there.. and to fit injen intake requires to take off your front bar... with the gruppe M just undo stock airbox and fit this 1 in its place.. sound wise is different too... gruppeM sounds alot better dunno about gains... i think gains would be similar...

[Hullabaloo]

XP02ED : the intake looks awesome. makes me want to get one too.

I think your airfilter mustn't be exposed (correct me if i'm wrong), so I don't think the injen one is legal (if that matters to you).

[EL_DC5]

XP02ED : the intake looks awesome. makes me want to get one too.

I think your airfilter mustn't be exposed (correct me if i'm wrong), so I don't think the injen one is legal (if that matters to you).

The Injen CAI intake is half the price(inc install) of the GruppeM(no install) and You can't really see it in the enclosed space they fit it to.

Im sure you can get away with it.
Im just thinking about the $$$$ is the GruppeM really worth the noise Defect

Does it out perform the Injen??:o

[obsessionz]

You cant get defected for gruppeM as the pod is in a box covered and not exposed ... they both do similar things... just sound differences and where they sit ... overall they do the same thing ... It all comes down to what you can afford... $$ Overall i think the gruppeM is a better intake as you dont have to take the front bar off everytime u wanna clean it etc...

[EL_DC5]

You cant get defected for gruppeM as the pod is in a box covered and not exposed ... they both do similar things... just sound differences and where they sit ... overall they do the same thing ... It all comes down to what you can afford... $$ Overall i think the gruppeM is a better intake as you dont have to take the front bar off every time u wanna clean it etc...

So the noise from the GruppeM does not exceed the EPA's Regulations on Air intake noise, which is enfored by Police. Thats news to me, I didn't buy one cause my mate got Defected and he had a stock DC5S.

[Tofu]

police can defect you for excessive noise if you drive erratically.
reguardless of what intake you have.

[obsessionz]

I think you will get a similar noise level from injen intake... but a different sound is produced with the gruppe M.. it sounds very unique compared to other intakes..... most intakes will make a loud noise... so if your gonna get defected it will happen with any of them... but if its in a box should be ok.... if you want it to be quiet go the mugen intake it is quiet ... and you get gains which your after .. Mugen intake is the one for you..

[EL_DC5]

I'll get the Injen one if its possible to take the filter out from underneath the car.
If i remove that black cover maybe, ill have to investigate.
Oh how do i get a point i think im still new comer cause of that.

[Tofu]

if you want to permenantly remove the black plastic near your front left wheel, the air filter will be exposed to water and debris. This will damage your filter and perhaps suck in water and make the filter dirtier than it needs to be.

[45SET]

the main diff your looking at from injen to mugen/gruppe M is the throttle response (thanks Tofu :P)

with the mugen/gruppe M they use the stock mounting point for the air filter. So throttle response is going to be sharp.

with the Injen system, the pipes comes off the throttle body, has a bend... then another, then another, then rests in front of the wheel.

so at the end of it... you have about 3-4 times more pipe then the other two.

I have never had a injen on my car, so i can't say if the throttle response is noticable or not... but this is something you have to look into.

If your short on cash and are keen to get a mugen/Gruppe M in the future, maybe do the hondata airbox mod (hacking away your stock airbox).

[dyljoy]

yeah, everything u want to get just depend on what u can affort, and i think if u are not a highly demand on gain power, just pick one of them u like~cheers

[XP02ED]

www.xposed.com.au

[dyljoy]

cool~pls post it here when u done it, atm u using stock catback?

[obsessionz]

POST THE VIDEO YO!! get your mate to hold the camera standing outside of the car an u drive past hitting vtec y0!

[mikul_ha]

i got an injen, i must say that the response of the car has slightly fallen low end, but ive heard this can be fixed after tuning. correct me if im wrong, just what i heard.

IMO the injen is bang for bucks for the gains your getting, and the extra money can be better spent on other mods. plus the lose of slight low end doesnt really bother me, i dont drive under 3000rpm anyways. though if you got the dosh, go the bling box gruppem! better yet go ITB's! *drools*

a thread that covers all three intakes ... might interest you guys
http://www.clubitr.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=255

[didz]

INjen is good bang for buck. Gruppe M is probably better but if ur budget is lower injen by no means is a shit intake mod. besides if the loss in low end is bothering you, get 4-2-1 header + exhaust

[EL_DC5]

Ok i'll get a GruppeM. who is Hoya and how do i buy it

[obsessionz]

u have to order it from japan email him his email is on page 1 of the thread...

[XP02ED]

www.xposed.com.au

[EL_DC5]

well his email is hoya@gruppem.co.jp
but b4 i contact him is there anyone who is making an order or wants one. I mite ask Adrien from Toda Au

[obsessionz]

i want 1 ... but scared to send $800.00 to japan... and the package gets lost on the way or stolen? alot of money to risk..

[XP02ED]

www.xposed.com.au

[R123]

Cant go wrong with Ms intake... Mugen - Good. Ms - gives u more.

[dyljoy]

nice shot~

[timofytit]

Hopefully oneday there will be some dyno charts of diferent intakes. That would be really helpfull

[bennjamin]

word of warning.

We do not allow group buys or any commercial style posting / sales outside the trade section.
Post up again , and you will be removed from this website.

Anyway , any more reviews of the gruppee m ?

[EL_DC5]

Hey Guys thanks for telling me this was not aloud. I think this forum is a little Sensitive. I have 10 points now. dont know what I do with them.

[XP02ED]

how many of us users with gruppem use the heatshield?

im thinking of removing it as it looks ugly :D

[Mattski_VTIR]

i fitted the heatshield, i dont think it looks that bad! i wonder how much it actually does in terms off holding back heat, prob good to keep it on if you have aftermarket headers and no heatsheild for them.

[EL_DC5]

i fitted the heatshield, i dont think it looks that bad! i wonder how much it actually does in terms off holding back heat, prob good to keep it on if you have aftermarket headers and no heatsheild for them.

Post a pic . what heat shield

[Mattski_VTIR]

Here is a picture (of the heat shield) i took while i was installing the intake,
hope this helps


http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/mattski_02/heatshield.jpg

[XP02ED]

yeh im currently painting mine to same colour as spark plug cover looks good dont want it to be noticable :D

LOL @ ur taping :P

and i see ur using that plastic tube ;D i chucked mine hahaha

post pic of ur whole bay y0

[Mattski_VTIR]

The heat shield doesn't bother me, so will leave it as is. As for the tape on the heatshield i put that there to save scratching while installing. I found that foam tape breaks apart with friction on the strutbrace, hence why i put 3m friction tape over the foam. Doesnt seem to break apart as quickly as the foam tape supplied :D Will post up pics soon, still waiting on some more bits ;)

[didz]

SO who has had this fitted after an Injen CAI?

I am interested to see over all difference between the two.

[RyDC5S]

Nice writeup.

Have you had it dyno tested yet?

[XP02ED]

no dyno just yet, but from what ive researched, no point dynoying with a gruppem as it doesnt show the gain on dyno ;D

[obsessionz]

u sure its not all noise? lol makes u think ur going faster then u really are going lol?? ...

[obsessionz]

ur cousin have stock exhaust?

[XP02ED]

like i said, both cars stock.. just the filter is the difference

[aaronng]

Dyno comparisons would have been better than a street race.

[XP02ED]

i heard u cant dyno a gruppem to see the exact output..

anywaiz no use dyno at this time cars are stock.. hopefully my cams and hondata come soon :D

[aaronng]

i heard u cant dyno a gruppem to see the exact output..

anywaiz no use dyno at this time cars are stock.. hopefully my cams and hondata come soon :D

You can dyno to measure the gain in power (which is what makes your car accelerate harder). But you cannot dyno for throttle response, which is the main benefit of the GruppeM over the CAI-type intakes.

[dc2itr]

very nice....

[Mst_Mugen]

You can dyno to measure the gain in power (which is what makes your car accelerate harder). But you cannot dyno for throttle response, which is the main benefit of the GruppeM over the CAI-type intakes.

that is correct to some extent, a dyno pull will show that the gruppeM has gains over the OEM airbox, this is obvious.... however, the gruppeM intake works on the concept of extracting air from a low pressure pocket which equates to lower intake air temperature... a dyno pull cannot replica this situation... so i guess someone could use the dyno pull to figure out the most minimum gain from the intake???

[aaronng]

that is correct to some extent, a dyno pull will show that the gruppeM has gains over the OEM airbox, this is obvious.... however, the gruppeM intake works on the concept of extracting air from a low pressure pocket which equates to lower intake air temperature... a dyno pull cannot replica this situation... so i guess someone could use the dyno pull to figure out the most minimum gain from the intake???

Low pressure pocket = low air density though...

[Mst_Mugen]

Low pressure pocket = low air density though...

sorry man... but low pressure pocket does not equal low air density, its the opposite... as a general basis, the lower the air pressure, means the lower the air temperature, which means the more dense the air is... which therefore means: extracting air from a low pressure pocket = extracting air that is colder than ambient which will equate to more air molecules filling up the cylinder = a bigger combustion

which brings me back to my original point, the full potential power output of a gruppeM can only be reached while the car is in motion

[EL_DC5]

sorry man... but low pressure pocket does not equal low air density, its the opposite... as a general basis, the lower the air pressure, means the lower the air temperature, which means the more dense the air is... which therefore means: extracting air from a low pressure pocket = extracting air that is colder than ambient which will equate to more air molecules filling up the cylinder = a bigger combustion

which brings me back to my original point, the full potential power output of a gruppeM can only be reached while the car is in motion

you guys should date! LOL

Im getting my GruppeM under 800 that rocks

[aaronng]

sorry man... but low pressure pocket does not equal low air density, its the opposite... as a general basis, the lower the air pressure, means the lower the air temperature, which means the more dense the air is... which therefore means: extracting air from a low pressure pocket = extracting air that is colder than ambient which will equate to more air molecules filling up the cylinder = a bigger combustion

which brings me back to my original point, the full potential power output of a gruppeM can only be reached while the car is in motion

Are you telling me that your GruppeM is able to create a low temperature pocket just in front of your windscreen? The reason why the GruppeM has good gains is because the stock DC5 intake is located right next to the engine and gets warmed up very easily.

The reason why you don't see the gains on the dyno is because the fan is blowing into your front bar and not at your windscreen! :zip:

[Tofu]

the GruppeM intake draw air from the windscreen and that is where they found to be of lowest air temp. that's what they claim

[Mst_Mugen]

Are you telling me that your GruppeM is able to create a low temperature pocket just in front of your windscreen? The reason why the GruppeM has good gains is because the stock DC5 intake is located right next to the engine and gets warmed up very easily.

The reason why you don't see the gains on the dyno is because the fan is blowing into your front bar and not at your windscreen! :zip:

sorry man?? i dont quite understand wat ur tryin to say??? the gruppeM has exactly the same mounting points as the OEM airbox, meaning its in the same location... the only difference is the material incorporated in the design and the position in which air is extracted... LOL, u know wat, it doesnt even matter... GRUPPEM IS KING, ALL OTHER INTAKES ARE POO!! *flame suit on* :p

[bennjamin]

the only way on paper to tell if a mod works is to put the car on the dyno with a "before and after" comparison. Including sensor readouts for IAT , CO2 etc too.
Everything else is up to the driver to judge ( throttle response etc etc etc)

[eriktufa]

There will be someone with dyno sheet soon as I believe more than 10 people are buying gruppem intake due to the price.

[EL_DC5]

belgarage turns on a massive fan when dyno ing ram intakes cars

[TeMp]

belgarage turns on a massive fan when dyno ing ram intakes cars

Which would no where near replicate the amount of air you would get when you are actually driving. Dynos only give you a rough idea of what they intake does for you.

Another good comparsion between intakes is the IAT.

[EL_DC5]

Which would no where near replicate the amount of air you would get when you are actually driving. Dynos only give you a rough idea of what they intake does for you.

Another good comparsion between intakes is the IAT.

Yeah that great I didn't say anything contradicting that, Still dyno with the fan is better than no fan.

I just noticed they did that and thought it would be a good point to share

[XP02ED]

i agree with temp, which if you dyno a gruppem in aint going to give you the best result which only give you an estimated result...

i can drive at say 2am with fog and hella cold it screams like a muthafecka

[RyDC5S]

Any Type S guys here got this yet?

[EL_DC5]

Any Type S guys here got this yet?

Mine is on the way from Jap Land


Japan only rival Germany in cars

[Mattski_VTIR]

Any Type S guys here got this yet?

Yep, have had the Gruppe-M on my Type S for about 3 weeks now, looks and preforms great! Wouldn't change it for any other intake system :thumbsup:

[EL_DC5]

Yep, have had the Gruppe-M on my Type S for about 3 weeks now, looks and preforms great! Wouldn't change it for any other intake system :thumbsup:

my i ask how much you got it for

[XP02ED]

mattski, share some pics ;D and your review!

i serzly would pay the cost of a gruppem its worth every penny

[RyDC5S]

Yep, have had the Gruppe-M on my Type S for about 3 weeks now, looks and preforms great! Wouldn't change it for any other intake system :thumbsup:

Very reassuring answer! :thumbsup:

[Mattski_VTIR]

mattski, share some pics ;D and your review!

i serzly would pay the cost of a gruppem its worth every penny

I'm still waiting on some more parts ( been waiting a long time too :( ), then i will post up some pic's :thumbsup:

[XP02ED]

hahah aiight,

how does it feel when going o 4th and 5th rev? before vtec kicks in? does it rawr ?

[Mattski_VTIR]

As the revs climb over 3500rpm to 5500rpm at full throttle there is a definite raw coming from the intake, as it hits 6000rpm though it screams all the way to rev limiter. :thumbsup: I find the intake is only "loud" at low revs when under heavy load

[RyDC5S]

As the revs climb over 3500rpm to 5500rpm at full throttle there is a definite raw coming from the intake, as it hits 6000rpm though it screams all the way to rev limiter. :thumbsup: I find the intake is only "loud" at low revs when under heavy load

Sounds more responsive - what exhaust do you use?

[Mattski_VTIR]

I would say that the intake has definitely helped with throttle response :thumbsup: at the moment i'm currently running stock exhaust! Still waiting on a full Toda exhaust to arrive (hopefully be here soon)

[didz]

Do u notice a bit more power as well?

[Mattski_VTIR]

I would say there is definitely an improvement made in the higher rev range (7000rpm through to redline) The engine revs more freely and seems to pull harder (again only in the top end of the rev range) I think a more noticable gain would be made once the engine is freed up from the standard exhaust. (by this i mean i believe they will better complement each other as the engine is still choked up by stock header etc) Once i get the exhaust i might install the standard air box to do a better comparison between the two.
Cheers

[XP02ED]

did we notice more power?

F*K YES! its the BEST intake!
i wna see pics of others! or even vids !

[mikul_ha]

how did everyone purchase this from hoya, wired transfer or credit card? Commonwealth bank cant found the branch "EKODA" which is on the invoice hoya sends out.

[XP02ED]

i paid via wire transfer
let me see my history details for you

Heres what i found :

Name GRUPPEM INC.
Telephone Number +81-3-3953-4116
Bank Name Bank Of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Ltd., The (Head Office)
Bank City (or Region) Tokyo
Bank Branch EKODA
Account Number 0910539
SWIFT Code BOTKJPJTXXX
Payment Description xp02ed (dc5Rintake)

[EL_DC5]

how did everyone purchase this from hoya, wired transfer or credit card? Commonwealth bank cant found the branch "EKODA" which is on the invoice hoya sends out.

I payed wif Credit Card, its safer I think. if you dont get your purchase they investigate and pay you back.

[XP02ED]

i got a Question for people with the intake..

Does it seem for you to drink more petrol?

it seems i was gettin about 500- 550km previously
get about 400-450 with it now

thats a tank

[EL_DC5]

i got a Question for people with the intake..

Does it seem for you to drink more petrol?

it seems i was gettin about 500- 550km previously
get about 400-450 with it now

thats a tank

I got an S and it always has done 400 - 450 only once on a long trip on Shell V-power did i even get close to 500.

My Belief is that BP Ultimate = More Power(torque-i-er) Shell V-Power = more Km's

[Mattski_VTIR]

Personally i didn't see any noticeable change in fuel consumption with the intake.

[[RSX 03]]

BP Ultimate gives me more KM.

The intake didn't eat my petrol, I wasn't getting alot of KM because i Vtec it like every day. Got to love at vrrrrrrroooooBWWWWWAMMMMMMP sound. :D

[Mattski_VTIR]

;1181114']BP Ultimate gives me more KM.

The intake didn't eat my petrol, I wasn't getting alot of KM because i Vtec it like every day. Got to love at vrrrrrrroooooBWWWWWAMMMMMMP sound. :D

Yes you have to love that sound :thumbsup:

[XP02ED]

ooo aiight yeh i seem to only reach 350km now coz i keep vtecn hahahaha its like addictive :D

anyone else purchased it of hoya? show some installed pics!

[mikul_ha]

i placed an order yesterday. I'll get some pics up if I could be f~cked. lol

i'll also compare how it performs against the injen. no dyno or anything, just based on feeling. lol

[didz]

i placed an order yesterday. I'll get some pics up if I could be f~cked. lol

i'll also compare how it performs against the injen. no dyno or anything, just based on feeling. lol

good because i am very interested in dfifferences in perforamce between the two!

[[RSX 03]]

injen and groop m performs on the same level.

people says the injen gives a good 8kw @ wheels.

[[RSX 03]]

injen is bang for you buck.

groop m hurts your pocket, but gives a good shag. + JDM Bling appeal...

[aaronng]

;1182927']injen is bang for you buck.

groop m hurts your pocket, but gives a good shag. + JDM Bling appeal...

How do you shag your air intake? :p

[[RSX 03]]

How do you shag your air intake? :p

hehehe...

8=======D inside the scoop. :eek:

[EL_DC5]

My GruppeM finally here, Got to pic it up from POST office tho.

how long does it take to install??

[Mattski_VTIR]

Can be installed neatley in less than an hour! Could be done faster, but i do recomend spending the time to fit the foam tape!

[EL_DC5]

;1182927']injen is bang for you buck.

groop m hurts your pocket, but gives a good shag. + JDM Bling appeal...

I Bought my GruppeM for $780.00 Delivered. Thats Bang for buck considering BelGarage wanted 1400 and toda wanted 1500

:cool: Hoya Rocks:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[[RSX 03]]

I Bought my GruppeM for $780.00 Delivered. Thats Bang for buck considering BelGarage wanted 1400 and toda wanted 1500

:cool: Hoya Rocks:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

nice, you could get it cheaper, if you knew the right connection *wink wink*

[vippy84]

;1184028']nice, you could get it cheaper, if you knew the right connection *wink wink*

I have got my mugen for $730 delivered.. thanks to some nice people :)

[XP02ED]

hahah vippy his talking about GruppM though :D

cmon guys pic pic pic!

[[RSX 03]]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1443/img5741xq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1715/img1028nf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[didz]

sex...



need my shit out of the way so i can finally start modding

[XP02ED]

nice!

review :D how u like it?

[iced]

the only way on paper to tell if a mod works is to put the car on the dyno with a "before and after" comparison. Including sensor readouts for IAT , CO2 etc too.
Everything else is up to the driver to judge ( throttle response etc etc etc)

exactly
as far as we know gruppe-m would perform the same as an injen/aem system. the difference is negligible unless proven otherwise

[XP02ED]

how else are you going to prove an intake which relies it on being on a driving motion towards air?

[[RSX 03]]

nice!

review :D how u like it?

:eek: :eek: :eek: = my review :D

[XP02ED]

hhaha! bro i painted the indicators we swapped to black BWAHH my cars so dark now :D

[[RSX 03]]

Nice :)

[EL_DC5]

Hey guys. I installed my GruppeM but i have a question. Did you guys have to install any extra stuff to hold the intake firmer.
I have to say that the cowl top provided was of inferior quality, It was not cut to fit properly the lines are still there to be cut on some sections i had to sand off about 12mm off and it does not sit properly on the . It is off the glass about 6mm, there where also scratch marks on it, small but visible.

I also need some advise on the v clamp, it does not clamp down hard enough the filter is not tight in between the filter case and the lower case.

[XP02ED]

hmm my cowl top was perfect, fitted well no problem at all!

the clamp should be tight enough although it may move a little, but mine is setup different to your standard piping as mine doesnt move coz im using the knn typhoon pipe

[Vann]

Ok I got one for my EP3! Will I need modifying since the kit is actually for my car?

[XP02ED]

Nah dude no modification

im not sure with ep3 but im pretty sure no major mods needed just the cowl top on the passenger side needs to be changed

[EL_DC5]

hmm my cowl top was perfect, fitted well no problem at all!

the clamp should be tight enough although it may move a little, but mine is setup different to your standard piping as mine doesnt move coz im using the knn typhoon pipe

I told Hoya about the cowl top. He said to send him some pics and he will see whart he can do. Hopefully he will send me a replacement cowl top:p .

I found a honda problem last night. I'm missing the screw that holds the bracket to the engine for the Brace 0323. I now know why there is so much movement.

[XP02ED]

ah there should be a bracket which bolts onto the intake which holds it up, that shouldnt be missing at all! unless you forgot to put it on :p

take some pics and show us

[EL_DC5]

ah there should be a bracket which bolts onto the intake which holds it up, that shouldnt be missing at all! unless you forgot to put it on :p

take some pics and show us

U miss understood.

GruppeM supplies a brace called ( Brace 0323 ), which is screwed onto a bracket(which held the original air box). that bracket has a bolt that holds it to the engine that is missing on mine. which make the brace useless. I dont even know what size bolt i need. Im going to take it to honda so they can put it in. it should be there. the car is brand new.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5467&d=1180499020

[EL_DC5]

I got some pics but cant be bothered making them below 500kb, Work pc's = Gay. No offense to any gay people

[wuism]

i put mine on last night.....

my airbox is quite close to the heatshield screw.... actually.,.. it's touching...

had to put some cushion tape on it..

sounds bloody awesome though!

[EL_DC5]

:) forgot to mention massive improvement. it want to keep going to 9k rpm, It goes to 8500 b4 it realizes to cut out so i got an extra 100rpm out of this intake nice :) :)

[Mattski_VTIR]

Are u sure the intake allowed you to rev an extra 100rpm? As i dont see how the intake would have change the rev limiter??? Anyone else care to share ?

[EL_DC5]

Are u sure the intake allowed you to rev an extra 100rpm? As i dont see how the intake would have change the rev limiter??? Anyone else care to share ?

I think its that it getting there heaps faster and doent cut out till the niddle hit 8500,

[Mattski_VTIR]

Cool, as i do know that my Type S rev limiter would move slightly (100rpm iether way) on the tacho depending on load, gear etc. Not sure if the car is revving more or the Tacho is out, but it did this before the intake. I personally haven't noticed anymore RPM being pulled out of the engine since installing the intake. None the less glad to hear your enjoying it, the sound of VTEC up around 8500rpm is just Magic. :thumbsup:

[EL_DC5]

Cool, as i do know that my Type S rev limiter would move slightly (100rpm iether way) on the tacho depending on load, gear etc. Not sure if the car is revving more or the Tacho is out, but it did this before the intake. I personally haven't noticed anymore RPM being pulled out of the engine since installing the intake. None the less glad to hear your enjoying it, the sound of VTEC up around 8500rpm is just Magic. :thumbsup:

Yeah but where suposto be hearing it at 9k:cool:

[Mattski_VTIR]

:thumbsup: Just thinking about the noise of a Gruppe-M at 9000 rpm makes me all funny :cool:

[XP02ED]

Ok EL Dc5, its the bracket i was talking about. its near the injector lines but the bolt your missin i never touched mine or even looked, im pretty sure i used my own bolt for that bracket to bracket..

Matsski, im pretty sure my rev limit has gone up. i rev past the red line by 300 or so.

and my cars stock as a mofo for engine work or performance

[Mattski_VTIR]

Cool, does anyone know where the stock rev limiter on DC5R / DC5S is? From memory i believe the S makes power / torque slightly higher. I just don't see how the intake would have increased the rev-limiter as its controlled by the ECU. By this i mean does anyone know if the rev limter is set to only kick in at a certain point in the Rev Range, or is it controlled by more variables (load, gear, etc) Any ideas??

[XP02ED]

my dc5r would redline to 8200 before, i think i got it on video ill need to find out

with your other question! someone needs to answer that :D

[Mattski_VTIR]

Cheers :thumbsup: Type S Redline is 8100rpm and i believe the rev limiter is around 8300 / 8400rpm??

[Rixsy]

By this i mean does anyone know if the rev limter is set to only kick in at a certain point in the Rev Range, or is it controlled by more variables (load, gear, etc) Any ideas??

The only thing that controls the rev limiter would be the ECU itself. The rev limiter is a set value programmed by the ECU and is not changeable on the stock ECU based on any other factors. The only way you would be able to change the rev limiter is to use modifying the ECU with a program such as Hondata KPRO. With the Hondata KPRO, you can either increase or decrease the value as you please :)


:) forgot to mention massive improvement. it want to keep going to 9k rpm, It goes to 8500 b4 it realizes to cut out so i got an extra 100rpm out of this intake nice :) :)


Are u sure the intake allowed you to rev an extra 100rpm? As i dont see how the intake would have change the rev limiter??? Anyone else care to share ?

The stock analogue tacho meter is inaccurate and will tend to give you a misleading figure of about up to (+ or -) 300rpm in the upper high rpm boundary. What you are seeing is the result of inertia occuring when the needle revs past a certain point and 'bounces' back. The only way to accurately determine the rpm is to use a digital meter of some sort directly connected to the ECU or a KPRO datalog, RSM or any other digital rev meter reading.
:cool: :angel:

(Btw I'm looking for a post quality point! *hint hint* :p)

Hope this helps! :D

[Mattski_VTIR]

Great thanks, this has just confirmed my original thoughts :thumbsup:
Cheers

[didz]

From what i know of, the DC5r REDLINES at 7900rpm and the REV LIMITER engages at 8400rpm. I believe this as my type r hits the limiter at 8400 on the dial!

[EL_DC5]

From what i know of, the DC5r REDLINES at 7900rpm and the REV LIMITER engages at 8400rpm. I believe this as my type r hits the limiter at 8400 on the dial!

DC5R = MAX 8100
DC5S = MAX 8400

thats from honda service i just called them.

[EL_DC5]

Ok EL Dc5, its the bracket i was talking about. its near the injector lines but the bolt your missin i never touched mine or even looked, im pretty sure i used my own bolt for that bracket to bracket..

Matsski, im pretty sure my rev limit has gone up. i rev past the red line by 300 or so.

and my cars stock as a mofo for engine work or performance

Honda has got a bolt for me its a common 8 x 16 bolt. and it was missing from factory on mine for some reason

[didz]

DC5R = MAX 8100
DC5S = MAX 8400

thats from honda service i just called them.

Interesting, lots of reports ive seen back my claim up of 8400 for the DC5R as well.

[EL_DC5]

Where can i get a digital copy of a Integra DC5 type S complete service manual. the big ass one that Honda uses.

[Hullabaloo]

Interesting, lots of reports ive seen back my claim up of 8400 for the DC5R as well.

When EL_DC5 says Max, I assume he means rev cut out.

DC5S redline (judging from tacho) starts at 8100. engine cuts out at ~ 8400. As some have said, trying to judge actual rpm cutout from the tacho isn't very accurate.

I can't find a close up of an AUDM DC5R tacho right now. From what I can remember the redline starts between 7900 and 8100. As for cutout i'm not sure. but would have thought that it'd be higher than 8100.

Anyway, does replacing your stock airbox with a gruppeM one void your engine warranty?

[EL_DC5]

When EL_DC5 says Max, I assume he means rev cut out.

DC5S redline (judging from tacho) starts at 8100. engine cuts out at ~ 8400. As some have said, trying to judge actual rpm cutout from the tacho isn't very accurate.

I can't find a close up of an AUDM DC5R tacho right now. From what I can remember the redline starts between 7900 and 8100. As for cutout i'm not sure. but would have thought that it'd be higher than 8100.

Anyway, does replacing your stock airbox with a gruppeM one void your engine warranty?

Man i dont care about red line means nothing to me. maybe redline should be when vtec kick in. But buy max i meant cut out. The Type R engine is inferior to the Type S. if only the S was lighter and had LSD and JDM R Suspension .

[didz]

The typeS doesnt have LSD? rofl...

[EL_DC5]

The typeS doesnt have LSD? rofl...

The Type S is a Ripped Off JDM Type R.
They took all the good stuff out.
So the S has Gay ECU
Gay NO LSD
GAY Suspension
GAY Exhaust system
GAY Brakes
GAY normal honda badge
GAY generic black pedels..... and so on and so on

[Mattski_VTIR]

hahahah um ok.. i personally think the Type S is a very capable car.. Its not protending to be a Type R like our Aus DC5.

[EL_DC5]

hahahah um ok.. i personally think the Type S is a very capable car.. Its not protending to be a Type R like our Aus DC5.

The JDM Type S is sux it has the shit engine.
I got a DVD from Best Motoring i think its #16 explains all the JDM line DC5 stuff, DC5R(pre and post facelift) dc5S etc

[Mattski_VTIR]

Yes i know the DVD... its the one were they Race the pre/face lifted model against the new one. Our Type S shares the same cosmetic pieces as the JDM Type S but gets a slightly detuned Type R engine (as the JDM Type S gets the 118kw 5spd version used in our luxury) All i was saying is that the Type S is a very capable car and isn't pretending to be something it isn't :p

[didz]

Man the typeR has LSD...

JDM typeR > typeS
AUD Type R > TypeS (recaros ftw y0!)
Jap typeS = shit

JDM Type R = Winner. I wanna import one but ****ing stupid sevs laws!
Have to find a privately imported one, very hard to find!

[EL_DC5]

Yes i know the DVD... its the one were they Race the pre/face lifted model against the new one. Our Type S shares the same cosmetic pieces as the JDM Type S but gets a slightly detuned Type R engine (as the JDM Type S gets the 118kw 5spd version used in our luxury) All i was saying is that the Type S is a very capable car and isn't pretending to be something it isn't :p

Yeah but i only bought the S because I couldnt get a new type R, we all know we all want the type R (but the real deal)

I want to make my s a R but with know R wing

but slowly slowly. Its expensive buying hondas

[Mattski_VTIR]

I would have bought a Type R if it was a REAL type R. At least the Type S knows what it is :p I wouldn't swap my AUDM TYpe S for an AUDM Type R, plane and simple!

[EL_DC5]

dont be so harsh you will make all the AU Type R guys feel bad,

[didz]

I dont see the logic in making these drastic variations in the models... Its ****ing stupid, lets DOWNGRADE THE ENGINE, BRAKES, EXHAUST.. **** LETS JUST DOWNGRADE EVERYTHING!


Big sigh....

Ohwell atleast i can beat those fkn r32's and falcodores which litter the streets at night.

And i would NEVER trade my Type R for a Type S

[Mattski_VTIR]

Sorry i didn't mean to come across Mean at all. (and i sure dont want to upset the DC5R guys as i think the S's are out numbered on this forum :p) I think it was silly of Honda to downgrade the AUDM DC5R as the JDM model offers so much. As for the S v's R its all down to preference as they both offer very similar potential.

[EL_DC5]

Sorry i didn't mean to come across Mean at all. (and i sure dont want to upset the DC5R guys as i think the S's are out numbered on this forum :p) I think it was silly of Honda to downgrade the AUDM DC5R as the JDM model offers so much. As for the S v's R its all down to preference as they both offer very similar potential.

How do you explain honda taking the good stuff out and putting the price up???
there criminals. They should atleast have the brembos,

[EL_DC5]

I dont see the logic in making these drastic variations in the models... Its ****ing stupid, lets DOWNGRADE THE ENGINE, BRAKES, EXHAUST.. **** LETS JUST DOWNGRADE EVERYTHING!


Big sigh....

Ohwell atleast i can beat those fkn r32's and falcodores which litter the streets at night.


Spoken like a true street racer. LOL I got Munched by a New R8 holden 6L V8 but at least i still had fuel after the run LOL

[Mattski_VTIR]

Most likely the changes were made to keep the price competitive with similar models in the AUS market. I can handle the little less power, but the brakes and suspension is really what made the Type R.

[didz]

lol!!!

man i think there was some conspiricy or something going on back when the type R came out.... "we cant let these little things own the falcodores too hard!" Ofcourse no one cares about the evos and sti's because they have such a high pricetag in comparison.

[Rixsy]

The Type S is a Ripped Off JDM Type R.
They took all the good stuff out.
So the S has Gay ECU
Gay NO LSD
GAY Suspension
GAY Exhaust system
GAY Brakes
GAY normal honda badge
GAY generic black pedels..... and so on and so on

You will find that some things have been taken off - but have you considered the benefits over the type R?

With the better cams and better compression, my car was able to produce the same KW's completely stock with upgraded ECU as what a modded type R with at least exhaust and intake... could possibly be on par with I/H/E and ECU combination in a type R but still waiting to prove this one ;) :)

[EL_DC5]

You will find that some things have been taken off - but have you considered the benefits over the type R?

With the better cams and better compression, my car was able to produce the same KW's completely stock with upgraded ECU as what a modded type R with at least exhaust and intake... could possibly be on par with I/H/E and ECU combination in a type R but still waiting to prove this one ;) :)

Toda Spec C Cams. Upgrade ECU, ATS 1.5 Carbon LSD, GruppeM Intake, Toda H/E, Tien Mono Flex coilovers. I would be happy with Oh and Upgrade brakes and anit g oil pan

[matt]

I can't find a close up of an AUDM DC5R tacho right now. From what I can remember the redline starts between 7900 and 8100. As for cutout i'm not sure. but would have thought that it'd be higher than 8100.


AUDM dc5r redline is at 7900rpm.

as far as the dc5r vs dc5s debate, they are quite different cars which will appeal to different people. i could have got one when i was buying my car and i had quite a few drives of a new one before i made my mind up but i much prefered the recaros, LSD and less sound deadening of the dc5r. while the dc5s is overall quieter and probably easier to live with day to day, easier to get in and out of but the seats suck when going for a fang, and quiter interior.

[Mattski_VTIR]

AUDM dc5r redline is at 7900rpm.

as far as the dc5r vs dc5s debate, they are quite different cars which will appeal to different people. i could have got one when i was buying my car and i had quite a few drives of a new one before i made my mind up but i much prefered the recaros, LSD and less sound deadening of the dc5r. while the dc5s is overall quieter and probably easier to live with day to day, easier to get in and out of but the seats suck when going for a fang, and quiter interior.

I agree with what your saying, there two different cars and unfortunately people tend to think theres no market for a Type S. Theres no wrong and right, just different opinions.

[XP02ED]

its personal preference i say, if you are into the street racing look R it is, S is nice for luxury ;D

theres no better i say just what you think is better for the owner ;D

[EL_DC5]

I agree with what your saying, there two different cars and unfortunately people tend to think theres no market for a Type S. Theres no wrong and right, just different opinions.

Look The suspension and the interior is what should of only been changed in my opinion. LSD bring no discomfort but lets you put the power down more effectively. The Brakes we all got ripped off with, i dont think most of us would bother upgrading the Stock JDM Brembos.

[Mattski_VTIR]

Look The suspension and the interior is what should of only been changed in my opinion. LSD bring no discomfort but lets you put the power down more effectively. The Brakes we all got ripped off with, i dont think most of us would bother upgrading the Stock JDM Brembos.

Yes the LSD in the Type S would have been nice (even as an option). Not an overly expensive mod, but a pain to do after-market none the less.

[matt]

Look The suspension and the interior is what should of only been changed in my opinion. LSD bring no discomfort but lets you put the power down more effectively. The Brakes we all got ripped off with, i dont think most of us would bother upgrading the Stock JDM Brembos.

i have seen a number of discussions of people finding the dc5r brembos lacking in overall perfromance even compared to dc2r brakes. there are heaps of brake options which will perform better than the brembos and be easier to install.

and are you saying only suspension and interior should have been changed from JDM or AUDM dc5r?

[Mattski_VTIR]

For the cost of the JDM DC5 Brembo upgrade to our Integras isn't worth it. There are much better and cheaper alternatives that dont require changing hubs etc.

[EL_DC5]

For the cost of the JDM DC5 Brembo upgrade to our Integras isn't worth it. There are much better and cheaper alternatives that dont require changing hubs etc.

For Example. I want to get some nice looking brakes with out the 2.5k cost

[RyDC5S]

I agree with what your saying, there two different cars and unfortunately people tend to think theres no market for a Type S. Theres no wrong and right, just different opinions.

No, its just Ozhonda in general as majority of the drivers here are under 21 hence it won't really interest them (where as the Civic Type R's, Integra Type R's are more suitable for that age bracket).

I've been to market studies for the Type S, where the target market is 25+ (typical purchasers of BMW3's, Audi A4's, Alfas).

[Mattski_VTIR]

No, its just Ozhonda as majority of the drivers here are under 21 hence it won't really interest them.

I've been to market studies for the Type S, where the target market is 28+ (typical purchasers of BMW3's, Audi A4's, Alfas).

Make sense :thumbsup:
Cheers

[Mattski_VTIR]

For Example. I want to get some nice looking brakes with out the 2.5k cost

Try looking into options like Spoon and Willwood etc.
I believe theres Traders on here selling Spoon Monocoque Caliper for DC5 for around $1850 - Brand new!

[EL_DC5]

Bringing back to Subject

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5489&d=1180681271
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5487&d=1180681271
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5488&d=1180681271
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5490&d=1180681301
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5491&d=1180681301

[Mattski_VTIR]

Looking good EL_DC5. I will post up pic's next weekend as my exhaust and cam cover will be in! Someone should do a DIY on the install as there becoming very popular :thumbsup:

[RyDC5S]

Nice installation pictures mate.

[EL_DC5]

As someone posted b4 that the heat shield cuts into the wiring harness, I have Cut a small rubber hose and auto siliconed it to the edge that rubs,

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5493&d=1180681812

Cowl top off
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5492&d=1180681812

[XP02ED]

looking good, get some pics once done :)

BTW heres a link on how to install ;D

http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=26070

[mikul_ha]

gruppem installed
http://users.tpg.com.au/mikul_ha/gruppem.JPG

i will get back to you all on the comparison between the gruppem and injen. :)

[nipnip]

that red hose is a bloody distraction... nice intake though! has a sharp sound at the crossover too

[XP02ED]

very nice, u do know instead of making the intake look funny with the rubber thing to stop the bonnet hitting it, put the rubber sticky thingo on the bonnet like me :D

[EL_DC5]

LOL my intake squeaks, i don't think it's meant to be really tight where the air box and filter clamp.

and HOYA the legend is sending me a new cowl top which he will checks it's quality personally.

[XP02ED]

cool!

i think im gna remove mine and use the stock afteer doing the customisation which they done here :

http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=26070

[EL_DC5]

cool!

i think im gna remove mine and use the stock afteer doing the customisation which they done here :

http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=26070

but isnt that for the EP3. because they dont make a colw top

[XP02ED]

its goe the same design dont see what the difference will be?

either way im gna use the stock with abit of custom work.. looks better and fits %100 then i may paint that whole arear to same clour as my car ;S

this is when i have time LOL

[EL_DC5]

Just get a fiberglass mould done. so u keep you original,

[EL_DC5]

I think i know why ppl are using more fuel with the GruppeM. I use to rev to 3000 and shift in ordinary driving now i like to hear it Rev to 4000, all unintentional but it sounds so good to rev to 4000. it sounds so right to shit at 4k.

[XP02ED]

yeh, make sure u reset your ECU too..

btw do u all get a rattle noise from 5th to 6th on 2nd and 3rd gear?

[aaronng]

I think i know why ppl are using more fuel with the GruppeM. I use to rev to 3000 and shift in ordinary driving now i like to hear it Rev to 4000, all unintentional but it sounds so good to rev to 4000. it sounds so right to shit at 4k.

LOL! So true! :thumbsup:

[Mattski_VTIR]

yeh, make sure u reset your ECU too..

btw do u all get a rattle noise from 5th to 6th on 2nd and 3rd gear?

nope, after putting foam tape under the cowl, on the strut brace and a thin peice on the inside of the o clamp i got rid of all the rattles :thumbsup:

[XP02ED]

nah nah it aint the intake system, i hear it near the oil filter/headers or in engine, it rattles..

maybe its the oil im using i have nfi!

[matt]

nah nah it aint the intake system, i hear it near the oil filter/headers or in engine, it rattles..


probably the heat sheilds on the exhaust, is it still stock headers?
ive had a couple of rattles which were loose heat sheilds.

[XP02ED]

ah! i thought that was the case, i think there abit loose
and yeh complete stock atm :(

i guess i wont worry to much, :D

i resetted my ECU, which is first time i did this after i put the intake! goddam theres a big difference

i feel better accel, can feel the vtec way more, testing out the k's on the tank atm see if get more ;D

[aaronng]

It could be the GruppeM causing the rattle.

[XP02ED]

nah not the intake, im sure it aint, the intake is rubbered everywhere needed and i definately only here it from 5th-6th near the header area as its pretty close to the driver.. its like a bolt is in the engine bouncing around..

[aaronng]

nah not the intake, im sure it aint, the intake is rubbered everywhere needed and i definately only here it from 5th-6th near the header area as its pretty close to the driver.. its like a bolt is in the engine bouncing around..
Did you leave a socket in there? :p

[XP02ED]

errr aaronng! your making me think twice! im gna open it up this weekend now! and double check! hahahaha

[aaronng]

errr aaronng! your making me think twice! im gna open it up this weekend now! and double check! hahahaha

Almost everyone has done that at least once :). Do a count of your socket set to see if anything is missing.

[XP02ED]

hahahahah thats gna take awhile i got so many sets and i use all of them and there all just thrown into a like a container, it aint gna kill me to check inside so i think thats the best thing to do and check the header shield aswell.

thanks :D

[EL_DC5]

ah! i thought that was the case, i think there abit loose
and yeh complete stock atm :(

i guess i wont worry to much, :D

i resetted my ECU, which is first time i did this after i put the intake! goddam theres a big difference

i feel better accel, can feel the vtec way more, testing out the k's on the tank atm see if get more ;D

when i installed my intake i forgot to plug a sendor I think the Nox sensor that is next to the heat shield, I took it for a drive and my car was running like shit and wouldnt vtec, so i found it and pluged it back in, dont even know why i unpluged it wasnt in the way, one of those stupid thing you do!. I was getting Engine light and stuff, so i plugged it and took the engine fuse out and it was all sweet

[EL_DC5]

Where is the best place to get some of that cushion tape. Im kinda broke so im looking for the cheapest place. ******s Are broke these days.

[Mattski_VTIR]

Bunnings hardware had it cheap, lots of different sizes/thickness too :thumbsup:

[XP02ED]

try clark rubber as well ;D
i found some kool things there

[EL_DC5]

try clark rubber as well ;D
i found some kool things there

Like rubber ducks??? and rubber things:p

[EL_DC5]

Thanks Guys

[2002 TeGgY]

gruppem installed
http://users.tpg.com.au/mikul_ha/gruppem.JPG

i will get back to you all on the comparison between the gruppem and injen. :)

so how is it compared to the injen?

[aaronng]

Where is the best place to get some of that cushion tape. Im kinda broke so im looking for the cheapest place. ******s Are broke these days.

i get mine from supercheap. It's the black weather seal thing and comes in a pancake spiral roll. It's heatproof too and lasts longer than the white-coloured Bunning's weather seal.

[EL_DC5]

Recon we can use the parts from the new jdm ctr

"Based on the domestic market four-door Civic, this Type-R has a development of the Integra Type-R's K20A 2-litre i-VTEC engine with 222bhp (5bhp up on the also Japan-only Integra DC5) and 159lb ft – produced nearly 1000rpm lower in the rev-range. That’s well up on the 198bhp and 142lb ft of the official UK-market Type-R. Honda in Japan claims it will hit sixty in under 6 seconds and, thanks to aerodynamic improvements, run on to over 150mph.

However, there's more to it than straight-line speed; the Civic Type-R four-door has been developed on the Tsukuba, Suzuka and Nürburgring racetracks. The spec is astounding: a helical limited-slip diff; a lighter, 50 per cent more rigid bodyshell; 320mm-diameter Brembo brakes; shorter ratios for the first three gears and slightly longer ratios for gears four-six; and lower, stiffer suspension – crucially it has double-wishbone rear suspension rather than the UK car’s cheaper and less precise torsion beam set-up. The Japanese spec also includes super-sticky 225/40 R18 Bridgestone RE070 rubber, a tyre that was first seen on the NSX-R.

The results sound startling – the Civic is 4 seconds quicker around Suzuka than the Integra Type-R, and at Tsukuba it gets to within a second of a standard NSX. "

[aaronng]

Which parts do you have in mind?

[EL_DC5]

Which parts do you have in mind?

All the part that are better than in mine!!! LOL.

Like the LSD is it better than the CArbon ATS one

[aaronng]

All the part that are better than in mine!!! LOL.

Like the LSD is it better than the CArbon ATS one

The LSD should fit as the K series diff is interchangeable. Euro owners have used DC5R LSDs in their gearbox, so the CTR's will fit in your DC5S

What type is the Carbon ATS LSD? The CTR's is torque sensing (torsen).

[didz]

the dc5r doesnt have torsen, my knowledge is that its a basic lsd. wouldnt mind a torsen ;)

[EL_DC5]

Recon we can use the parts from the new jdm ctr

"Based on the domestic market four-door Civic, this Type-R has a development of the Integra Type-R's K20A 2-litre i-VTEC engine with 222bhp (5bhp up on the also Japan-only Integra DC5) and 159lb ft – produced nearly 1000rpm lower in the rev-range. That’s well up on the 198bhp and 142lb ft of the official UK-market Type-R. Honda in Japan claims it will hit sixty in under 6 seconds and, thanks to aerodynamic improvements, run on to over 150mph.

However, there's more to it than straight-line speed; the Civic Type-R four-door has been developed on the Tsukuba, Suzuka and Nürburgring racetracks. The spec is astounding: a helical limited-slip diff; a lighter, 50 per cent more rigid bodyshell; 320mm-diameter Brembo brakes; shorter ratios for the first three gears and slightly longer ratios for gears four-six; and lower, stiffer suspension – crucially it has double-wishbone rear suspension rather than the UK car’s cheaper and less precise torsion beam set-up. The Japanese spec also includes super-sticky 225/40 R18 Bridgestone RE070 rubber, a tyre that was first seen on the NSX-R.

The results sound startling – the Civic is 4 seconds quicker around Suzuka than the Integra Type-R, and at Tsukuba it gets to within a second of a standard NSX. "

See the red up in the qoute about the new JDM CTR "a helical limited-slip diff" is that better than the ATS Carbon 1.5 way LSD

[aaronng]

the dc5r doesnt have torsen, my knowledge is that its a basic lsd. wouldnt mind a torsen ;)

DC5R is torsen.

What is your definition of a basic LSD?
There are clutch-operated LSDs with 1way, 1.5way and 2way torque transfer, viscous-coupling LSDs and gear-operated LSDs (which are the torsen/quaife).

I know for sure that the DC5R doesn't have a clutch-operated LSD. :)

[aaronng]

See the red up in the qoute about the new JDM CTR "a helical limited-slip diff" is that better than the ATS Carbon 1.5 way LSD
Helical LSD = gear-operated LSD = Torsen-type LSD.

BTW, I realise a confusion that I just caused. Torsen = Torque-sensing, but it applies specifically to gear-operated torque-sensing LSDs. Clutch-operated LSDs are also torque-sensing, but they are not called Torsen LSDs.

[didz]

Ahh ok aronng. Now i understand however i am not sure about basic or good lsd. I know that my definition would not be technical at all. It would be the explanation that some are more limited than others.
Was not aware that the dc5r had torsen ;)

[aaronng]

On a FWD car, the Carbon ATS 1.5 way is good but overkill. The difference between the Carbon ATS and the torsen in the DC5R is that the Carbon is clutch-operated. That means that even if both wheel totally lost grip, the Carbon would still work while the torsen must have some resistance to at least one driving wheel in order to work.

The Carbon ATS is good for RWD cars used in drifting where the torsen would just give up when both tyres were spinning.

[EL_DC5]

On a FWD car, the Carbon ATS 1.5 way is good but overkill. The difference between the Carbon ATS and the torsen in the DC5R is that the Carbon is clutch-operated. That means that even if both wheel totally lost grip, the Carbon would still work while the torsen must have some resistance to at least one driving wheel in order to work.

The Carbon ATS is good for RWD cars used in drifting where the torsen would just give up when both tyres were spinning.

So would the Carbon ATS be better for the Track? Or just better for drag/1/4 mile

[obsessionz]

massive thread on GruppeM lol

[aaronng]

So would the Carbon ATS be better for the Track? Or just better for drag/1/4 mile

Carbon ATS would be better if you were driving on ice. :) Just use the TypeR LSD for a FWD car.

And sorry, back on topic. :p

[EL_DC5]

http://emelbon.tripod.com/GruppeM_1.0.JPG

[XP02ED]

thats wacked! hahahah anyone know the exact difference between the S and R intake for gruppem? i still havent seen anyone install it on the S :D

[Mattski_VTIR]

There is a slight groove in the back right hand side to accommodate the Type S strutbrace. I believe this is the only difference.

[EL_DC5]

yep just different cause of the strutbrace,