Very Very Very Very Urgent

[getm_up]

hey guys.as u no i have had troubles throughtout my whole car.i finally bought a f22b engine for my from a place down south called 'hondworld'. it took a took a day to put the engine in and all was sweet till i realised it says f20 on the plate of the engine and it was also written it small white pen.

my dad has rung the shop and they have advised him that it wat the put it in.(keepin in mind it is a jap import)..the sales person also said he was be alot quicker of a car,get more economy and the motor has less problems wit it when its run it properly.
they also dont wan to replace the motor and we wat was the cost of the different motors.he said there wasnt a difference
is any of this true.could someone please help me ASAP as i will have to return the motor back to them.

thanks

[d15z1SUX]

is it sohc or dohc?

[getm_up]

to tell u the truth i dont no....sorry
but it says 19 valve honda on the motor.the top bit

[ZeForce]

The F20b is a 2L DOHC VTEC motor rated at 200hp, it is much better than a F22b.... does it have "DOHC VTEC" on a blue valve cover?

[barefootbonzai]

if you really did get a f20b, you just scored big time. Is the valve cover blue?

[dsp26]

farking lol... not so much an urgent matter anymore if he did score it hahaha. i wouldn't bother contacting the shop again

[jeffske]

lol he sounded so pissed off, i bet he's sitting smug now

[panda[cRx]]

is it legal to put a smaller engine?

[getm_up]

nah it doesnt have vtec written on it anyway.i checked the motor again.and i cant tell if its sayd f20b or h20b.but im pretty sure it is not vtec.will the engine liven up once it is run in by me.

[Bludger]

take a photo for us

[getm_up]

i jus asked someone and they said its a sohc engine.lol.not so smug now am i

[ZeForce]

If its not VTEC than it would be F20a, DOHC non-VTEC

Bore × Stroke: 85.0 × 88.0 mm
Displacement: 1997 cc
Valve Configuration: DOHC, 16 valves
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Max power: 150 hp (112 kW) @ 6100 rpm
Max torque: 137 ft·lbf (186 Nm) @ 5000 rpm

[getm_up]

if needed i can post a engine number or pic

[ZeForce]

if needed i can post a engine number or pic

Yup post a pic, should be able to determine if its SOHC or DOHC by its physical size

[getm_up]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3773/dscf9719ve2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1188/dscf9718hg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[chunky]

wwhow

that looks like a pretty messy engine bay man

[JasonGilholme]

SOHC

That B on the engine number looks fake..

[bennjamin]

you got the wrong engine that you paid for.
Claim against , or if they are being asses take it to the dep. of fair trading

[getm_up]

wwhow

that looks like a pretty messy engine bay man

considering my engine blow up and blew oil everyone we arent talkin about wat my bay looks like chunky u noob.
so it is the wrong engine

[Mr_will]

considering my engine blow up and blew oil everyone we arent talkin about wat my bay looks like chunky u noob.
so it is the wrong engine

take it easy man, i think he was just trying to point out that it doesnt look as neat as it should, considering you paid a pro to do the conversion.

if i paid someone to do a conversion on my car i'd want it looking nice and schmick.

as many have said already, go ask them why they gave you the wrong engine.

[civic_99]

:thumbsup:

you got the wrong engine that you paid for.
Claim against , or if they are being asses take it to the dep. of fair trading

[Rasputin]

From the Office of Fair Trading, QLD
"If the motor mechanic is not prepared to do anything further, you should try contacting the Motor Trades Association of Queensland if your mechanic is a member. They have a code of ethics and will give advice on how to resolve the problem."

"UNHAPPY WITH THE REPAIR?

Discuss your concerns in a clear and reasonable way with the repairer including the warranty on parts and repairs and give the repairer a chance to rectify any faults. Be clear on how and when the fault presents itself and why you aren't satisfied. Don't just take your car to another repairer to have the problem fixed and expect the original repairer to make good. Always contact the initial repairer first, before proceeding with repairs.

Still no success? Follow up your discussions with the repairer with a letter detailing your complaint. This will ensure that the repairer clearly understands the cause for complaint and will give you a written record of requests made to the repairer.

If a trader refuses to take responsibility for faulty repairs you may need to obtain a second opinion from an independent, suitably qualified person. Contact MTA-Q or RACQ for further advice.

Send a copy to the original repairer with a 'last chance' letter. See the Fair Trading guide Making Complaints and the Legal Aid guide The Small Claims Tribunal and other legal options - a consumer guide for more information on making a complaint and for a copy of a sample letter of complaint. Details can be found at the end of this Guide.

Should you need to take the matter further, such as to the Small Claims Tribunal (which you can do if the cost of repairs is under $7500), it's important that you have kept good records of when you contacted the repairer and with whom you spoke, and some brief notes of the conversation.

For further advice and assistance:

MTA-Q will advise consumers and assist in resolving disputes with their members
RACQ will assist its members in trying to resolve complaints and may direct repairers, who are members of the RACQ Approved Repairers Scheme, to offer redress where appropriate
Fair Trading will assist in trying to resolve disputes and will investigate if there have been any breaches of legislation.
If the repairs were carried out under insurance, contact your insurance company. If the repairer won't negotiate with you, you should let your insurance company know."

[barefootbonzai]

dam that's interesting. looks like you didn't score after all.

F20B out of an SiR Accord looks like dis...

http://www.jdmracingmotors.com/motor_pics/29_0.jpg

[180sx]

there is a small crack next to the engine number ... i suggest u better get a refund .......

[getm_up]

i jus bought the engine from melbourne and got it sent up hear and i jus put it in myself.so cleanin it was the last of my worries

[nismohks]

so did u put it in yourself or got another place to?

sorry but i really don't understand what you are talking about.

so u bought the engine, and you put it in yourself?

or u bought the engine, and got another shop to install it, but they installed another engine?

[040501912]

By the look of it ... its a F22b1 bottom end ..
and a f22b2 top end .. is that possible?? to do that???

coz by the way the xtractors goes is F22b1 vtec engine .. but the head is f22b2 non vtec ...

WTF is that f20b prind doing there? and it doesnt look healthy either ..

[Dell99]

interesting thread, keep us posted on the details

[Vinnie]

He's bought the engine, under the assumption it was a F22b DOHC Vtec.

He Installed it without checking. (How a guy who buys an engine, doesn't realise it's wrong; has the aptitude to install it, I do not know.)

He got an F20b instead.

It wasn't written in small white pen; it's eteched.

i think he was after a f22b1 SOHC VTEC (standard cd5 vti/s engine)

dunno wat that thing he ended up with is but it aint a genuine f22b1 or f20b...

[getm_up]

ok.sorry bout the lack of details.
ok i bought this engine from melbourne asked for a f22b engine.paid for it.got it home and install it myself.as jus about to put the last touches on i then realised it said f20b on the engine....
last night i was driving it and gave it some accel.and it jus took off way harder then the f22b motor did.wat should i do.should i keep this motor in or get a f22b.
the only reason i didnt realise the engine was because i have had my car for 1month and really wanted to drive it.but it seems to be running fine atm..

[JasonGilholme]

Just keep it an turbo it.

[getm_up]

i was thinkin that. i have a t04e at the back.i was savin for a haltec but then my engine blew....
so back to savin again

[ECU-MAN]

is your accord a vti.

if so you have gone from VTEC to non Vtec.

If it goes harder and you like it then keep it. get a dyno run so you can see what power it is making. Also dont forget that your running a F22XX ECU on this engine, so if you get it dyno'd then also get an AFR print out to make sure its running ok.

if you hade a F22B1 then your ecu will get upset when hit VTEC as there is no VTEC.

[getm_up]

nah its a exi non vtec

[ECU-MAN]

get it on a dyno.

if it feals like it goes harder to you then it might just be a better engine.

the F20B in the pic does look genuine. And I can see any cracks like the some one had mentioned.

get a dyno run and find out what it is doing. from what I remmeber the F22B3 ( what you had ) was pretty lame on the dyno 87kw or something

you might have a better engine !!! dyno it to find out.

[getm_up]

thanks m8.i think i will do.the other motor was lame.and yeh it did have about 87kw:thumbdwn:
thanks for the help guys.will keep u updated on the dyno situation

[040501912]

u might feel faster coz you just got ur car back :)... any way good luck with it. if ur lucky you got a better engine that what you preffer . LOL

[Aza]

still should of cleaned the engine bay when the engine was out, its way easier to do it with no engine in :D like they said dyno it and see, if it goes better then the engine u wanted i wouldnt be complaining, but u should of defantly checked the engine numbers first

[dreamshifter]

from wiki
F20B
* Compression ratio: 11.0:1
* Max power: 148 PS (109 kW) @ 6000 rpm (4WD), 150 PS (110 kW) @ 6000rpm
* Max torque: 183 Nm @ 5000 rpm (4WD), 186 Nm @ 5000 rpm


F22B1
# Compression ratio: 8.8:1
# Max power: 145 hp (108 kW) @ 5500 rpm
# Max torque: 147 ft·lbf (199 Nm) @ 4500 rpm

F22B2
# Compression ratio: 8.8:1
# Max power: 130 hp (97 kW) @ 5300 rpm
# Max torque: 139 ft·lbf (188 Nm) @ 4200 rpm

Powerwise, all the SOHC varieties are fairly similar.

[ON VTEC]

you dont know if its an import, it might even have internals done to it, you wouldnt know unless you open it up, but still like everyone is saying, you should dyno it

[defect]

you brought a engine without checking engine numbers before putting the motor in? tsk tsk.. if your happy with the power, keep it..