Any Euro Eibach Pro-Kit users?

[trigger]

I'm looking to purchase springs for my Euro soon. Any Pro-Kit users around? How much did the springs cost you? Also I'd like to know what camber kits are available as I will need it for the rear after lowering.

Thanks in advance :)

[EuroZ]

I use a prokit. Purchased it directly from Eibach in Sydney ( 02 9999 3655 talk to Robert or Allan). Eibach will supply the springs but you ned to get someone to fit them. Any competent suspension place can do that. Eibach are definately the best springs to use. They are a cold wound spring and the way in which Eibach are manufactured allows them to use a thinner wire which when fitted to the car allows the car to retain almost all of the ride quailty of standard springs, but gives the benefit of lowering.
Camber kits are a bit of an issue, but there may be light at the end of the tunnel. KMac have what seems to be an eccentric bolt kit, but being a multi link rear end I am not sure how effective this would be. There is another company who are in the early stages of developing and adjustable linkage (probably top link similar to a Comptech style www.comptechusa.com Acura TSX). I spoke to them yesterday and fed them some information about issues with lowering Euro's. I will be in contact with them again to offer any more infromation as it comes to light so I will keep you all informed as soon as there is something concrete. This same company is also looking into rear swaybars and replacement shocks possibly Bilstein or Koni. The company is a very reputable suspension specialist so there will be no problems with quailty. These could be available in as soon as two weeks.
I am also communicating with a couple of businesses in the US about getting camber kits sent out. As recently as last night I received an email from one which looks pretty promising. They are able to supply me a Ingalls camber kit but I am going to do a bit more research to ensure these are compatible with our cars, and check out pricing.
As there are more developments I will keep you all informed.

[PERTH_EURO]

Could someone please explain these issues with lowering the accords??

[EuroZ]

The main issue is the fact that the Euro has a mulitlink rear end on it. If you have a look under the back of your Euro at the rear suspension you will see arms going everywhere. When the vehicle is lowered it introduces more negative camber. I haven't done too much research into why, but my guess would be that you are effectively shortening one the links and upsetting the geometry of the whole setup. This isn't peculiar to the Euro's, most cars with multilink rear ends have the same problem when they are lowered. From memory they run about -1 degree camber factory, but when mine was lowered it now runs about -2.5 degrees. This is quite significant and the tyres are already showing signs of significant camber wear after 10K klms, and in the long term this may cause a problem with wheel bearings. The problem may vary from car to car to some degree, but you are probably better off seriously considering a rear camber kit if you are going to lower a Euro. The front's don't have as much of an issue with this problem.

[yfin]

Great post Euro Z. Thanks for taking to time to explain this. :)

[wynode]

-1 from factory? Thats a lot!

[EuroZ]

Yfin no worries

Yeh Wynode I know -1 degree seems excessive, but as I said I was working off my memory. As I work out more about the rear suspension I will put the info up here.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/p8b547d1f50d1444e836358ce1526cc82/f80a6d83.jpg

Here is a photo of my car which shows the difference in camber between the front and the rear wheels.

[PERTH_EURO]

Yeh thanks alot for explaining. Nice picture, how much have you lowered the front?

I have lowered mine 35mm all round. Is that enough to cause problems??

I will have to ring the suspension shop. The package deal included full all wheel alignments. Wonder if that means to factory specs.

Very interesting!!

[wynode]

Wheel alignment won't cover camber adjustment if it involves fitting a camber kit :)

[EuroZ]

perth_euro: As I stated it has a Eibach Prokit which by the specs on their website states a drop of 40mm on the front and 35mm on the back. My car might be slightly different to these specs but it won't be much.
Here is another photo of my car from the side so you can see how much arch clearance there now is. I am also running 235/40/18 tyres which fills the guard just a little more. Am I right in assumming you are using 225/40/18's.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid105/p8e7c8f31035265763903ce60a891c3b6/f980abd6.jpg

As wynode said the wheel alignment won't cover a camber kit. I would try and find out what the camber setting on the rear wheels are now though. If it wasn't recorded at the time of when your wheel alignment was done, it will have to go back onto the aligner and be checked. I wouldn't get my hopes up about this being done for free though.

[trigger]

Thanks for the info EuroZ :)

So i'm assuming you're running a set of Pro-Kit WITHOUT a camber kit? I also emailed Eibach Australia and they said there is no camber solution available at this time. I then emailed Pedders and they said they can supply me a camber kit for $295. But they did not mention what brand is it so i'm wondering if it will fit. One thing that made me unsure is that the Pedders guy also asked me if my car is a V6 or I4 :x when i specifically told them it's an Accord Euro !

btw EuroZ did you find out where to get an Ingalls kit?

[wynode]

I'd be weary of a Pedders camber kit. They probably don't even know that its multilink.

[PERTH_EURO]

thanks EuroZ, yesterday was a long day. Sorry for not realising ur earlier post.

I have full printout of all settings, when I get back to perth ill check it out

[Jus-10]

Is the Accord the only Honda using a multi-link rear?

[trigger]

Can anyone recommend me a good reputable suspension place in Sydney?

[Civic Si]

Now that I found out ur in Sydney I'll give Sydney shock absorbers a call during next week and I'll give u a quote. ;)

[trigger]

Now that I found out ur in Sydney I'll give Sydney shock absorbers a call during next week and I'll give u a quote. ;)

Great :) Where are they located by the way?

[Civic Si]

They are situated on the Princes Hwy in Sydnam.

[Civic Si]

PM sent

[JohnnyBoy]

They are situated on the Princes Hwy in Sydnam.

yeah.. they're a good place to go actually..

They're also known as Heasmen steering.. i got my suspension done there..

[Euro_Boy]

euroZ,

Just looking at your picture is making me more and more confident everyday that becuase i couldnt get decent insurance on an s2000 means that an accord euro aint such a bad 2nd option...

From what i can make of the picture, u have ivory leather interior (i.e its a luxury?)

[EuroZ]

I have a little more info on the Euro camber kit issue. To order a Comptech or Ingall's kit form the US through iapdirect would end up costing around $550-600AUD delivered to your home. This would get you adjustable ball joints for the front and adjustable links for the rear. The suspension company I have been talking to about the rear intend to have a kit for the rear only available in about 4 weeks. This is an adjustable bush system and should work fine. Cost should be significantly cheaper than the import option. I will let you no more as info comes to hand.
Euro_Boy, yes it is a luxury. Although the Euro is a much different car to the S2000 I am still pretty sure you would be happy with a Euro. The Euro does perform very well and has excellent handling. You would even be able to carry more than one passenger and plenty of luggage. The Euro can be made look very good, as with any car you just have to approach it the right way. Whereabouts in NSW are you?

[trigger]

hey EuroZ it seems that K-Mac has a rear camber solution for the Euro. I emailed them and they claim it fits and costs $295. Do you have any information on that kit? Hows K-Mac's reputation?

[EuroZ]

trigger, Yes I spoke to K-Mac about their kit, and whilst K-Mac are quite reputable, I feel as though the kit that is being developed will be a better option. It is of a different design to the K-Mac and probably a better fitment and it should be quite a bit cheaper. The K-Mac kit will cost you around $450 ($295 + fitting + wheel alignment). I will let you know more as soon as I find out.

[Slugoid]

Sorry for reviving this old thread.

I've finally decide that it's time for some improvements in handling and ride for my Euro. Don't want to spend much, so coilovers are out of the question. I've know for a long time that Eibach has springs for the Euro, but I've also been looking at the Comptech ones as well. Anyone know much about them, compared to the Eibach??

Cos I'll be getting a rear sway bar from Comptech, and if I get the springs from them too, it might save me some shipping. Any opinions would be nice.

[Type R Positive]

I don't really think you will save anything on shipping by getting comptech springs with rear sway bar.

The US guy's like the comptech springs, especially when matched with koni yellow sport shocks. Like anything, make sure you get the right part number. Part #110-160 is the for the TSX (Accord Euro).

It might be easier to just get Eibach pro kit springs in Australia, just shop around. It might end up about the same as getting them from USA. The Eibach's rate very highly for ride and quality.