Koni's or coilovers?

[Luke Accord]

Hi everyone I've currently got pedders sports ryder lowered springs on my CD5 just wondering whether to get some yellow konis or to go for a set of coilovers or if anyone has got the pedders sports ryder shocks and what they think. Just heard a lot of people with trouble with coilovers so just thinking that upgarding the shocks maybe the way to go. Any advice would be greatly appreciate. Pros and cons of each would be great.
Cheers.

[tank]

It would really help if you stated what you are trying to achieve with car.

[Luke Accord]

Just want to get some better handling without comprising too much on comfort (i konw that asking a bit much) just don't want a really hard ride. Not going to go to the track every weekend just want some better handling on the road. Cheers.

[Drew]

coils

[string]

Koni's. Because chances are if you buy coilovers you'll get something shit.

[jimus888]

get yourself a decent brand of coilovers, not some cheap ebay special

[Luke Accord]

What brand of coils would you go for?
And why would you lean towards coils over the koni's?

[DreadAngel]

Well if you want more adjustability both damper and height then go for coilovers as your range of adjustment is far more than Shock and Springs :)

I had that problem having Koni Yellows and KG/MM Springs, decent setup but not adjustable enough, far too low for my liking. Mind you this is for EG so not sure about Accord lol...

[EKVTIR-T]

Do you have a budget in mind?That will help for better advice.
Too general asking koni's vs coilovers....

[string]

If you want the heigh adjustability, then go for coilovers. It's their selling point, and if you just get some shocks and springs but some part you wants the height adjustability you'll be kicking yourself later on.

[Luke Accord]

Something below $1500 but also realibility heard alot of people saying that they needed rebuilding after a year and leaking ect so just looking for the best option to gain a bit of handling performance without going crazy on suspension.
Cheers.

[Luke Accord]

If you want the heigh adjustability, then go for coilovers. It's their selling point, and if you just get some shocks and springs but some part you wants the height adjustability you'll be kicking yourself later on.

I'm not too worried about height adjustability i can't really go any lower than i am right now with the lowered springs and stock shocks otherwise i'll smash my bodykit. Will the koni's retain the height that i'm at now or will they be lower?

[EKVTIR-T]

$1500 Easy choice then,Koni's + Quality spring :thumbsup:

[DreadAngel]

Better check first with others that have the same car and similar setup, you might find going to Koni Yellow lows your car even more...

[Luke Accord]

Better check first with others that have the same car and similar setup, you might find going to Koni Yellow lows your car even more...

Yeh good call.

[Luke Accord]

$1500 Easy choice then,Koni's + Quality spring :thumbsup:

Pedders springs? Quality or not?

[Muzz]

$1500 Easy choice then,Koni's + Quality spring :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:
Koni's for sure.
Reasons
1. For the money your spending, you can get cheap coilovers or quality koni shocks and good springs.
2. they will perform up to your expectations very well - comfy with a great performance edge!
3. Your concerned about longevity which is very important. Koni's with a quality spring will last 10 years or more! the shocks come with a LIFETIME waranty and will DEFINATLY last a hell of a lot longer than any $1500 coilover ever will!
4. If a shock screws up for some reason, you can replace single the blowen unit, instead of forking out for a hole brand new set of coilovers.
5. You can get them revalved, serviced and rebuilt in tons of places all over australia.
6. Ive never seen any rebuildable coilovers for $1500. the are basically disposable units ie, if it fails outside the warranty period, its time to chuck em.


Reguarding pedders sport rider shocks, there are tons of better shocks out there. Im not sure of there price, but i doubt youd save any money getting them compared to the popular sport shocks (kyb AGX, tokkico illuminas, koni sports, bilston ........).

I believe that the konis have the stock height spring perches, but also have 2 other height settings so you can play around a little.

Traders on honda-tech sell the konis for $450US for the set which is cheap!
i got a quote once and it came out to $800AU or so shipped wich is ALOT cheaper than you can them here for, but i believe this effects the warranty going this way. The saving is probably enough to purchase a single unit or get a damaged unit rebuilt anyways if worse comes to worse.
Mind you the shocks are tested before they are sold so they wont be dodgy when you get em, and if you are slammed, this voids the warranty anyways once there installed.

For springs, you can get the very popular (in the US) ground control springs and coilover sleves (groundcontrolstore.com) these basically give you the height adjustability of coilovers, and very good quality springs which are made by eibach:thumbsup: . You can also select the springrates you would like to get, and easily perchase pairs of springs later on if you decide youd like to start playing around with the spring rates.:thumbsup:

Hope this helps a little

[EKVTIR-T]

Allowing $500 for springs means you can look at higher end spring's like Eibach perhaps.Pretty sure they have them for your car.
Pedder's would be considered the lower end by most I would think.
As said the Koni's have minor height adjustment if you need it.

[Muzz]

Pedders springs? Quality or not?

pedders springs sag, somthing that a quality spring will never do. When they sag, they do so unevenly which can be detrimental to performance as the weights on the tyres change unevenly.

But brand new id say you there probably wouldnt be a massive differance between pedders and say eibach, who make some of the best springs. Over time that would chance hugely though.

If you got the ground control sleaves with eibach springs, youd be looking at around $450-$500, which would cost you about $1250-$1400 all up if you also got your konis from the US.

[string]

The problem with ordering shocks/springs from the states is that shipping is ludicrously expensive, and customs will sting you on the way back. For small items it's a godsend but suspension you're probably better off finding something locally.

[Muzz]

Even with the huge shipping costs (which are included in my price estimates), it still works out quite alot cheaper then getting them here (very unfortunate!). I still have no idea about customs though, and what/if they charge will do to the prices, if still trying to find out.

If anyone can help point me in the right direction itd be much appeciated!

[string]

How much are you estimating for shipping? It's quite a lot more than you'd think.

When you get hit by customs you'll be up for at least GST for starters, so that's $125 - $140 right up. The one webpage has all the info you need on it, a quick google should bring it up.

[DreadAngel]

Contact Customs to see I guess, only way to do it LOL

[fatboyz39]

im using koni shock and king springs. Very nice combo. Just choose the right spring rates and height then your all set.

Yes a koni's can rebuildable.

[BlitZ]

Im not sure about the qaulity of peddar springs; that you will find out over time.

find out the spring rates.. alot of australian copied springs dont really forcus on rates and are more focused on height and comfort..


you can also get koni's for around $850 for a civic here is Sydney if you shop around..

[MRH-22A]

why not go for tein ss for ur accord? lots of accord owners have them and are very happy.

[Luke Accord]

Im not sure about the qaulity of peddar springs; that you will find out over time.

find out the spring rates.. alot of australian copied springs dont really forcus on rates and are more focused on height and comfort..


you can also get koni's for around $850 for a civic here is Sydney if you shop around..

Where would you recommend to get koni's from? Melbourne if possible. Thanks for all the advice very helpful starting to lean towards koni's and better springs unless someone has something good to say about the coilovers. Thanks all.

[MRH-22A]

tein ss@!!!

[Hans Bond]

yeah tein ss is suitable for accord.. it can compromise comfort and handling very well :)

[narut0]

There are plenty of spring/shocks combination out there. You can get cheap ones but to stretch your budget of $1500 and to get the best out of it, this is my 2cents.

1. Eibach Pro Kit lowering springs and Koni Yellow combo or
2. Eibach Pro Kit lowering springs and Bilstein Heavy Duty combo.

Either combo will cost you around $1400 delivered to your door!

Compared to Tein SS coilovers for around the same price, you will be more than happy with the combos mentioned above with regards to comfort and performance on street and occasional track use.

[Muzz]

How much are you estimating for shipping? It's quite a lot more than you'd think.

When you get hit by customs you'll be up for at least GST for starters, so that's $125 - $140 right up. The one webpage has all the info you need on it, a quick google should bring it up.

Yeah the shipping is pretty nuts!

For the shocks i was estimating around $212US or $256AU for shipment, which brings the price to $800AU shipped. But then again if you gotta add GST/taxes importing parts (never had to on my ASR brace:confused: ) it would certainly hike that up a bit.

Im gunna have a search around for that web page, cus im interested to know how it all works.

[string]

That's because your ASR brace + shipping would have come in under $1000. Anything over $1000 and you become eligible for customs duty and gst - which a set of shocks and springs should reach.

Sometimes you do get lucky and don't have to pay anything though - they let a $2,500 shipment through to me for free this time last year. I don't know what happened but I sure wasn't going to ask questions.

[040501912]

didnt you know Tien SS is made in china? TAIWAN ..
and those G4, K-pro, D2 are in the same factory that makes Tein?

Tiens have more quality stricter control than the rest.. so it makes it more durable :)

[MRH-22A]

didnt you know Tien SS is made in china? TAIWAN ..
and those G4, K-pro, D2 are in the same factory that makes Tein?

Tiens have more quality stricter control than the rest.. so it makes it more durable :)

wtF?
it says its made in japan.

[Xplodin]

New 07 Batch of Tein SS's made in Taiwan!

Cut Cost y0!

[040501912]

New 07 Batch of Tein SS's made in Taiwan!

Cut Cost y0!

ahahah ;) should known better LOL !!...
now they are made in Taiwan with japan licencese :thumbsup:

[Zdster]

Only read the first post so:

You said you have heard people have trouble with coilovers? I am not sure what you are referring to, but neither I or anyone I know has had problems with them.

I would look at a koni coilovers. Rode in an ek with them the other day and was one of the best rides I have been in for a long time :thumbsup:.

[Luke Accord]

Only read the first post so:

You said you have heard people have trouble with coilovers? I am not sure what you are referring to, but neither I or anyone I know has had problems with them.

I would look at a koni coilovers. Rode in an ek with them the other day and was one of the best rides I have been in for a long time :thumbsup:.

Just read about people having problems with leaks ect and coilovers not being covered by warranty and people that have been given the run around when trying to get replacements.

[Luke Accord]

Brought some eibach sportsline springs and just waiting on the koni yellows.
Let you know how it all goes. Thanks for everyones advice.

[EKVTIR-T]

Looking forward to a review mate :thumbsup:

[Luke Accord]

Yeah i'll write one up after there in.

[SiReal]

nice choice there.

koni yellows are great. i have them on my accord. i havent got eibachs, but i've had the equivalents of H&R and now i'm using neuspeed.

never sat in king springs car before, but i'm sure what we've got is 10x better. the ride is very close to stock however handles like a dream.

[dupac->]

coil overs.. yayaya

[siir]

Brought some eibach sportsline springs and just waiting on the koni yellows.
Let you know how it all goes. Thanks for everyones advice.

hey man.. just wondering how much you get it? and where you get it too??
coz im still looking for teh same set up..
either tein ss or koni yellow & eibach pro kit :)

[SiReal]

sometimes coilovers arent a viable option, espcially for cars which dont have much aftermarket coilover support.

hence springs/shocks the best options around. and most are softer and more comfortable (which falls in line with a big cruiser)

[Luke Accord]

hey man.. just wondering how much you get it? and where you get it too??
coz im still looking for teh same set up..
either tein ss or koni yellow & eibach pro kit :)

PM sent

[narut0]

hey man.. just wondering how much you get it? and where you get it too?? coz im still looking for teh same set up..
either tein ss or koni yellow & eibach pro kit :)

Eibach will cost you around aud$450-500 delivered.

[siir]

Eibach will cost you around aud$450-500 delivered.

thx..

[Muzz]

Can get koni sports shipped from US for $575US or $700AU these days!

Ground control sells the eibach springs for $339US or $410AU, from what i can see, they dont charge extra for the shipping, even to here! I went through the whole checkout process and at the final step, the cost was still only $339

[string]

Don't be disappointed when you find that you have to pay extra for shipping. Whenever you do an international order it's always best to email them directly instead of using an automated system.

Koni Australia probably won't honour an overseas purchased set of shocks either so take that into account.

[Muzz]

Koni Australia probably won't honour an overseas purchased set of shocks either so take that into account.

:thumbsup: Yeah they dont, but the money you save can get them rebuilt..



Don't be disappointed when you find that you have to pay extra for shipping.
The price for the shipped koni's was from speaking directly to the trader.:eek:



Whenever you do an international order it's always best to email them directly instead of using an automated system.

True, but at the last stage of the transaction for the springs/coilover sleaves, there site says to pay $339US for them to be shipped to your australian address (which is also displayed on the page), you select your country early on in the process.

Still theres a chance you will have to pay 10% to customs of whats written on the invoice, somthing that ive gotten away with before.

[Luke Accord]

Getting the konis and eibachs put in early next week. Is there anything overly complicated in putting them in going to get my local mechanic to put them in as he is a family friend (cheap labour) he's not a suspension expert but he's been a mechanic for many years. Also in the box of the springs there is a booklet that says you need to trim the factory bump stop.
What does this mean? Because i'm getting koni's do i still have to do it?
Cheers.

[Luke Accord]

Started putting in the koni's today only got the rear shocks and springs in so far but the gap from tyre to guard is different on both sides with the drivers side being about 10mm lower than the passenger. Is this normal? Also on the front the gap is lower on the passenger side by 5-10mm just with the pedders springs. Are the accord's made like this or is there something wrong?
Cheers.

[MRH-22A]

koni's have clips for height adjustment dont they? have u got the clips in the right place?

[Luke Accord]

Yeah all the clips are in the same position on all shockers but the divers side rear is lower and the front is higher than the opposite side.

[EKVTIR-T]

Are the springs correctly fitted?As in the fronts on the front etc.

[scyt7e]

hey dont know how much of ah elp this will be but i got my konis from the us cost me around 800 shipped to my doorstep, i got eibach sportlines for around 400 shipped to my doorstep, will get them professionally fitted next weekend. but heck saved me around 300 dollars instead of getting it from local dealers. better be good :thumbsup:

ohh mayb 80-100 bucks max for customs hope i dont get hit, will let you know when it all comes :D

[040501912]

should put the price as low as possible to escape cutom :p

[scyt7e]

yeah, but its up to the seller to decide whether they want to do that :p some do some don't.

[Luke Accord]

Are the springs correctly fitted?As in the fronts on the front etc.

Yeah they are on the right way. Been driving on them for a few hours now and they seem to have evened up abit haven't adjusted the damper on them yet as i just finished putting them in the car this arvo so going to drive on them for a few days before i start playing with the damper. But they feel much better than the stock shocks and springs.

[Muzz]

Started putting in the koni's today only got the rear shocks and springs in so far but the gap from tyre to guard is different on both sides with the drivers side being about 10mm lower than the passenger. Is this normal? Also on the front the gap is lower on the passenger side by 5-10mm just with the pedders springs. Are the accord's made like this or is there something wrong?
Cheers.

Sounds like your pedders springs have been sagging, somthing they will do unevenly:( .
As you mentioned just wait a few days and see if the even out at all.

[Luke Accord]

I've got the eibach springs on now i'm thinking that the new springs are still settling in. I measured straight after we put them in so maybe i was jumping the gun abit as i said i just checked them now after driving for a few hours and they seem to have evened up a bit. Hopefully they become totally even.

[Mrkrooz]

Hey man so how do you like it.....????
cause im in the same predicament....i dunno whether to go
tanabe Coilovers VS Koni Yellows/Eibach Srpings....

[Luke Accord]

Hey man so how do you like it.....????
cause im in the same predicament....i dunno whether to go
tanabe Coilovers VS Koni Yellows/Eibach Srpings....

Hey mate, Haven't had a really good chance to test them out only drove to work and home but i can definetly say that the handling around corners has improved and the car feels smoother on the freeway. Also the car is about 10mm lower than what it was with the lowered pedders springs. I'll write a more detailed review after i have had a chance to test them properly.
Cheers.

[Mrkrooz]

ok kool :)