Engine management - D16 single cam

[Terrible One]

For a non VTEC 1.6 D series (EJ coupe), what would be the most cost effective engine management for a basic turbo setup to run on the standard internal engine? I don't want to go to the trouble of a complete wire in of a computer because I want the thing to still retain its factory drivability. I'm looking to run a maximum of 0.5bar.

Thanks.

[EG5[KRT]]

probably piggy back unit ..

[supersamEK]

you would need a decent piggy back unit such as E-manage if you are going to go piggy back.
SAFC, VAFC, NEO are not really worth it, especially in turbo setup, they're just not enough.

Hondata really aint to expensive compared to the likes of Motec, PowerFC. just wait and save that couple weeks more to get Hondata

[[ricer]]

piggy back will only work out cheaper if you find a dirt cheap emanage on ebay then you gotta buy harnesses...

hondata is something like only $275...

go hondata...

[Aza]

i vote hondata to

[Terrible One]

[ricer], is that $275 Australian dollars? Doesn't sound right...

[Aza]

its acturlly 285$. and yes australian dollars. mind u that is untuned and it will need to be tuned

i use a hondata s100 on my d series turbo setup

[Terrible One]

Wow thats ridiculously cheap. Who in Brisbane can tune Hondata?

Aza, I met you at the dyno day at Mercury motorsports a couple months back. Im usually out at most Cruisingbrisbane.com Thursday night things.

[DynoDave]

[ricer], is that $275 Australian dollars? Doesn't sound right...
Yes S100B has a retail price of $285.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Terrible One]

I saw on the Hondata site that APC is the only dealer in Brisbane. Do I have to use them for tuning? I'd rather not.

[SLOWEGG]

Dyno dave does trips up to brisbane, so you can organise something with him.

[90-POV]

Hondata Ftw!!!!

[aimre]

Its over $1000 once u tune it though.

Use a rising rate fuel reg for low boost

[Sexc86]

havnt delt with hondata personally, but usually a more complicated ecu will mean more installation cost and longer tuneing time.

a safc or emanage isnt bad value as could almost be around the $500 mark if you can wire up a few basic things yourself... thats for everything.... id usually recommend something with a few more options but as this is a budet basic setup... it may be ok

[Terrible One]

So some people have been saying a SAFC will work, but doesn't that only trim fuel mixtures? I don't believe it does ignition.

[barefootbonzai]

havnt delt with hondata personally, but usually a more complicated ecu will mean more installation cost and longer tuneing time.


exactly, you've never delt with hondata before so don't just make up random stuff and post it.

There is no wiring involuved with hondata so install is heaps faster and cleaner, just take out your ecu, put in the hondata - wow wasn't that hard

Why would it take longer to tune? Lets say to tune your car to what a VAFC can do, will take half the time on hondata. As stated above VAFC/SAFC only "tricks" the fuel mixtures.

As for cost, you get what you pay for. Rough Price for basic setup is more like $1100 vs $700, this is installed and tuned with Hondata vs VAFC/SAFC.

If your setup is even worth a tune, I know i would rather pay for quality, then a crappy quick fix.

Contact Dyno Dave for your Hondata needs. Brisbane guys you can get in contact with me and i'll let Dave know.

[Benson]

Engine management is not something to go cheap on. Its the most important part of the engine package.

hondata FTW!

[fatboyz39]

try searching up microtech ECU, there pretty good for the price. Im currently using it in my current car with no complaints.

[pornstar]

whats the cost for hondata for obd2 plus boost?

[Terrible One]

Do I need a jack harness to plug a S100 into a EJ Coupe?

I've got a Microtech LT10s on my other car and it's good but I don't want to go for a full wire in again on this car.

[DynoDave]

whats the cost for hondata for obd2 plus boost?
Ring your local dealer and ask him :D
Regards Dyno Dave

[aimre]

Over $1000 with tuning


whats the cost for hondata for obd2 plus boost?

[Aza]

u have to look at it this way though..... any decent ECU has to be tuned and tuning will always cost around 800$ for intial tunning, if its any less u kiinda got to ask urself about the quality of the tune...

either way hondata is awesomeply priced, if u go microtech or hualtech or what ever, even though they are also decent ecu's u still have to add the tuning cost onto them (and they are prived over 1000$ just for the unit).

fact still remains hondata is VALUE FOR MONEY

[Sexc86]

exactly, you've never delt with hondata before so don't just make up random stuff and post it.

There is no wiring involuved with hondata so install is heaps faster and cleaner, just take out your ecu, put in the hondata - wow wasn't that hard

Why would it take longer to tune? Lets say to tune your car to what a VAFC can do, will take half the time on hondata. As stated above VAFC/SAFC only "tricks" the fuel mixtures.

As for cost, you get what you pay for. Rough Price for basic setup is more like $1100 vs $700, this is installed and tuned with Hondata vs VAFC/SAFC.

If your setup is even worth a tune, I know i would rather pay for quality, then a crappy quick fix.

Contact Dyno Dave for your Hondata needs. Brisbane guys you can get in contact with me and i'll let Dave know.




man im talking in general.. no i havnt delt with hondata.. but my post wasnt aimed directly at it... was a general statement

"usually a more complicated ecu will mean more installation cost and longer tuneing time"

eg if i were to use say a microtec/haltec over a vafc it would take longer to install and longer to tune... FACT

sometimes basicsetups dont require all out management... and correct me if im wrong but do hondata make a direct replacement ecu for every efi honda engine? or just the dohc vtec?

if not im it would have to be manually hardwired in like most aftermarket ecus... therefor more time/money for a more complicated/better ecu, and longer tune time... I also think you have over-exagerated the price for the piggy back.

im not saying this to disagree with you.. but you miss-understood the point i was trying to make.
And dont get me wrong i completely agree that people should use the best management possibly as everything will come down to it in the end...

[jooboo]

Get a Hondata s100, you won’t regret it, iv run Hondata in both my cars and soon in my Euro.

[Limbo]

the more features in the ECU the better it is able to be tuned. If the ECU is too simple like the SAFC your gonna be wasting your money getting little difference and running like a dog.
If you gonna do it do it properly. FOr the D series i think the Hondata is pretty much the easiest and proven results

[Weq]

factor in tuning costs with hondata. some tuners charge rediclulus amounts of money to load up pre-configed maps and and custom tune to ur setup.

My orginal setup ran an emanage i bought from oversea's (all trust turbo kits come with them and alot of people ditch them - they usually come with all harnesses too). Tune was $300.

Ive found most base hondata tunes are $550.

But hondata definatly ran a little cleaner.

[Muzz]

Quick Q here.
Ive got a obd2 99 cxi hatch, when i go boost, i will be converting to obd1 and running hondata. Which ecu should i use, and is it straight plug and play with a obd2-obd1 conversion harness. p28????

thanks guys

[barefootbonzai]

Quick Q here.
Ive got a obd2 99 cxi hatch, when i go boost, i will be converting to obd1 and running hondata. Which ecu should i use, and is it straight plug and play with a obd2-obd1 conversion harness. p28????

thanks guys

you'll need one of these --->> http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68061

Then hondata will plug straight in.

[Muzz]

you'll need one of these --->> http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68061

Then hondata will plug straight in.

Cheers
Yeah i know ill need the conversion harness, what obd1 ecu should i be running, p28??
I will be able to run a d16y1 or y8 vtec head on this combo if need be in the future correct??
Noobie, yeah i know...

[barefootbonzai]

it's not your normal conversion harness they are talking about. depending how it's made it should cater for vtec.

it doesn't matter what ecu you're runing as long as it's one that is hondata compatible. yes p28 is one of many

[[ricer]]

Quick Q here.
Ive got a obd2 99 cxi hatch, when i go boost, i will be converting to obd1 and running hondata. Which ecu should i use, and is it straight plug and play with a obd2-obd1 conversion harness. p28????

thanks guys

its not an OBD2
the conversion harness isnt your off the shelf obd2 - obd1

[Muzz]

;1205130']its not an OBD2
the conversion harness isnt your off the shelf obd2 - obd1

Thanks for the clarification man, i just found out a little while ago:o

[[ricer]]

ahaa yeah sorry just read barefoots post...

[Terrible One]

So I got a 96 Model EJ8 Coupe, is it OBD0/1/2?

Will I need to convert it or anything or will the S100 plug straight in?

[ECU-MAN]

Quick Q here.
Ive got a obd2 99 cxi hatch, when i go boost, i will be converting to obd1 and running hondata. Which ecu should i use, and is it straight plug and play with a obd2-obd1 conversion harness. p28????

thanks guys

no its not a straight plug in into a cxi.

a simple harness wont do it. wiring is involved and things need to be changed.

[Muzz]

no its not a straight plug in into a cxi.

a simple harness wont do it. wiring is involved and things need to be changed.

Thanks mate:thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

So I got a 96 Model EJ8 Coupe, is it OBD0/1/2?

Will I need to convert it or anything or will the S100 plug straight in?

You're a lot lucker, all you need is the basic OBD2a -> OBD1 conversion harness.