k24 into a dc2r???

[chindobaby]

hey peepz im thinking of doing a conversionto a k24 or k20 just wondering wat will it involve and wat would be the gains or whther if its worth it??
thanks would love some knowledge on this

[yourfather]

um................ depends.

if your B18C is shagged, yeah it is
if not, boost your B18C

[qstoria]

worth it. dc2r with a k20a... thats what the dc5r should have been. stay NA. good thing is you can rip out the b18cr motor and sell for decent amount (if its in good condition of course) to put towards your k20a.

[garett]

IMO why would you wanna get rid of the reason why
your car is a type R to put an accord engine in it.

buy a dc4 and wreck that

[qstoria]

cos k20a rapes b18cR. dc2r chasis rapes dc5r chasis. make sense?? k24a when built and tuned will also do a fair share of raping

[IN73GZ]

mine is in process as we speak

[qstoria]

k20 or k24?

[Lepperfish]

cos k20a rapes b18cR. dc2r chasis rapes dc5r chasis. make sense??


No, the k20a does not rape the B18C, yes the DC2R chassis rapes the dc5r chassis. Nuff said.. :wave:

[[ricer]]

No, the k20a does not rape the B18C, yes the DC2R chassis rapes the dc5r chassis. Nuff said.. :wave:

it does with the 1/4 miles times i see...
EGs with standard b18c7 and EGs with K20s....

[nipnip]

its not like the b18c is a crap engine, its hand refined/polished, not something u get from most production cars

i wouldn't go out my way to go k20 unless you raped your b18

[TRU32U]

i agree with the majority sayin dont do it unless u got the cash for engine mounts rah rah rah
but in sayin that how deeps ur wallet

[bennjamin]

IMO , do it for something different.
But remember the DC2R is a "package" where putting a engine with 600cc's worth or displacement more , and not to mention altering the chassis and mounting etc is changing the balance of the car. Its a "brute force" engine in a lighter body.

[dc2r]

K20A is no doubt a nice motor, and I'd love to put one in my car WHEN MY B18C DIES!

[Drew]

ts hand refined/polished, not something u get from most production cars

To a point only; the '96 spec motors were hand polished, '98 spec was done by a machine which actually did a much better job of it as it could go further in than you could by hand

However both '96 and '98 spec were hand assembled

[qstoria]

potential from the k series motors is another reason why they rape. once swapped into the lighter cars ie. eg ef dc2 plus basic mods. same mods on
b18c7 etc wont get you the same power gains.

the motors dont weigh anymore than a b18c motor, im not sure how much effect having them mounted the other way will have on the handling of an EG or DC2. i wouldnt have thought much if any but you would need to ask someone who has already done the swap. plenty of people on www.k20a.org in the states have dc2's with a K series motor in them so perhaps asking there would be a start

[Mr_will]

why does it all come down to rape? hahah.

you need to be more specific in both your reasoning and your goals:

what is your current situation - how much money do you want to spend, what condition is your b18c in?

are you looking at a k24a3? or k24a3/k20a2 hybrid?

i wouldnt be doing a swap like this unless i was considering the latter.

how much power do you really want/need?

if you are not looking for huge gains have you considered working the engine you already have?

Bear in mind that a k24 converted dc2 will be significantly harder to sell than a worked b18c dc2. this might be important to you, or it might not.

[IN73GZ]

i will have k24a3/k20a head in dc2r body

[fatboyz39]

Who said K-seris will rape B-series??

The K20a type R gearbox are gangsta's....short gear ratio!

IMO k24 into DC2R waste of money...might as well turbo it hahaha

[Chuckz]

if ur car was not a type r, then i'd say go for it, but for a dc2r, i wouldnt go putting in a k series. dc2r are made perfect.

[iaquinta]

ben beat me to it.

do it for 'something different,' but you will completely throw off the weight distribution and balance of the car. with an average person sitting in the driver's seat, the car's weight dist. becomes perfectly balanced. that's what i call precision tuning... i guess honda knew what they were doing after all! that balance probably cost millions in R&D to acheive wouldn't be worth throwing away for extra power.

but yeah, i guess if you really wanna do it... get a k20a, although its not as simple as 'dc2r chassis > dc5r, k20a > b18c so therefore dc2r + k20a = win'

[chindobaby]

thanks for the info guys
yeh i was thinking about if it would throw off the balance of the car and wondering wat it would effect. has anyone that has done the swap to a k24/k20 feel any difference in handling??? i heard that the k engies and b engines are close to the same weight.

and yeh my b18 aint raped or anything i was just looking at more gain in power coz i kno that the same mods like i/h/e on a k series would be more than a b series. and yeh how much would the whole conversion roughly cost me with i/h/e mods ??? and would the be a lot of custom work ?

thanks heaps for the info guys

[sitta]

how much will this kind of conversion cost ?

[qstoria]

at least 12 grand. minus approx 6k if your b18c7 motor is in good condition (and you can sell it)

so ball park minimum figure of around 6k

[EG5]

do it for 'something different,' but you will completely throw off the weight distribution and balance of the car

What info do you based this on ? Have you actually done the K swap + set it up for circuit racing and bring your car to circuit ?

Our EGK20A is built for circuit racing , did 1:09 wakefield on the 2nd track day outing.

Spoon EK is powered by K20A now and also some of their circuit set up hondas.

[iaquinta]

nah yonas, i meant the k24. k20 good.

i'm basing this off logic though. additional 600cc with transmission and etc parts would result in a sizeable difference in weight. is this wrong?

only point was, for k24 output =/= input.

[IN73GZ]

What info do you based this on ? Have you actually done the K swap + set it up for circuit racing and bring your car to circuit ?

Our EGK20A is built for circuit racing , did 1:09 wakefield on the 2nd track day outing.

Spoon EK is powered by K20A now and also some of their circuit set up hondas.

exactly right, lots of ppl say it wrecks the balance of the car yet they have never ever seen one of these things in action nor even driven a type r to begin with...

[chindobaby]

hey in7egz ur going through the swap right now right can u tell me how its goin and what problems u have encountered so far ????

[EG5]

nah yonas, i meant the k24. k20 good.

i'm basing this off logic though. additional 600cc with transmission and etc parts would result in a sizeable difference in weight. is this wrong?

only point was, for k24 output =/= input.

someone done it in usa already
k24a + dc2 chasis for circuit use. So far so good.

[IN73GZ]

swap is about to start early next week, no problems yet, obviously u need custom mounts n a few other bits n pieces, karcept shifter kit $295<-- from jdmyard so that the shifter will sit in place, that is a must....
the most difficult thing so far has been tryin 2 find a good set of headers to use as standard ones just wont fit, i really wanted DTR headers but the waiting list is sooo long and i cant be bothered waitin 4+months to get them,
JDMyard now has they're own custom k swap headers which are looking really really good

[yourfather]

no-ones mentioned a properly built b20

[qstoria]

maybe not enough gain for the effort compared to a k20a or k24

[Mr_will]

maybe not enough gain for the effort compared to a k20a or k24

depends, for a knock-up one it'd be a lot cheaper.


but as soon as you start building a quality one, from the indications given by toda and dynodave, its almost, if not more, expensive than a stock k24/20 hybrid

[simonnowis]

the K series are awesome, it will have alot more torque then ur b18c7. but i think its not worth it to put it into ur dc2r. if you want more power maybe u can go down the turbo path. if n/a is wat you want sticking with the b18c7 is good enough, spend the money on the b18c7, such as cams, etc etc.
if you can get a hold of a k series it will be better to get it put into ur crx or get a eg hatch, those things kill!!. i think a eg hatch with k20a can kill an evo, but stock...lol anyway put the k into a lightweight car to get the most out of it

[qstoria]

the K series are awesome, it will have alot more torque then ur b18c7. but i think its not worth it to put it into ur dc2r. if you want more power maybe u can go down the turbo path. if n/a is wat you want sticking with the b18c7 is good enough, spend the money on the b18c7, such as cams, etc etc.
if you can get a hold of a k series it will be better to get it put into ur crx or get a eg hatch, those things kill!!. i think a eg hatch with k20a can kill an evo, but stock...lol anyway put the k into a lightweight car to get the most out of it

the chasis of the DC2r would be my choice for a track weapon for a k-swap over a crx or eg civic. dc2r's were designed as a track going road car. eg civics? not so much. weight differences are not as much as you would think betweeen egs and dc2r. ef8 weighing in at 890 without driver (full street trim) will be the lightest but id still go for a dc2r stripped running a k20a

i still say its worth ripping out the b18c7 - sell it and put that cash towards a k20a. u will notice the difference. no questions asked.

IMO

[simonnowis]

yeh true, but on the track, weight does make a difference(excluding your driving skills). the k20a eg hatch on jdm yard does like 12.4sec. the new evo and sti does that time. an n/a keeping up with turbo is pretty respectable.

[qstoria]

the badhbt dc2 k20 was pretty quick as well though. drag that is. egk20 proven fast at a track (drag and circut) already in aus. maybe thats y i wanna see a dc2r be k-swapped and raced :)

[simonnowis]

yeh a k swapped dc2 will be special. lol but if hes just goner use the dc2r for normal driving on streets i reckon its a waste of money, but if building for track he should maybe get another dc2 taking to jennycraigh then stick in the k. that will rip down the track.
lol i dont know, even if i dont own one i hate to see ppl getting tired of their integra type R's and getting a conversion hahahaha. plus for the k series he'll need aftermarket mounts and that will make the car shake abit when u drive, ull get annoyed with everyday driving. hahaa