eg civic si or eg civic vti

[simonnowis]

hi all, i know that the vti weighes like 1050kg and the si weighs 990kg stock. but what makes the big difference in weight. is it the engine? doesnt the si putout like 96kw at the flywheel, so shouldnt it weigh more the the vti.
im planning to purchase of the two but cant make up my mind which would be better. if each had a b18c7 conversion would the weight be the same or similar?

any suggestions which one to purchase for a conversion?
thanks

[flipstar]

the weight of the body itself shouldnt be any different the si should weight more due to the fact that it is a twin cam 1050 is the weight of a sedan civic and 990 is the weight of a hatch civic im pretty sure but as for if they both had a b18c7 due to the fact that it also depends on which u keep plus the actual kerb weight will change cause u might decide to keep your p/s and a/c or take them out so that also changes the weight and also the brake upgrade would also change the weight of your civic.

just purchase any EFI EG but more towards the vti as you already have rear disc brakes and you should only need to upgrade your front rotors and calipers

[simonnowis]

hi flipstar, thanks for the response thats alot of help,
just one question is it the same for the civic si? do they have rear disk brakes?

[flipstar]

im not 100% sure sorry im pretty sure they do as well but i know 100% that vti's do

[bennjamin]

Si is slightly lighter than Vti due to less options ( mostly due to no sunroof) .
Apart from that , they are exactly the same body really. Same thing :)

[aimre]

get a vti, simply cos it :

- Newer
- Has sunroof

[EG5[KRT]]

yep i agree :D ^^^^^^

[G-Stick]

nah get a gli with alot of kms since ur gonna do a engine convert anyways. much cheaper unless ur after a sunroof.

i had a 94 one and it came with a sunroof and it was nearly half the price of wat my mate paid for his vti.

rear disc brakes are only like 300.

[simonnowis]

thanks guys for all the suggestions. im still in the process of looking. btw where would i get rear disc brakes, also would it be difficult to install?
if i do a conversion wouldnt i need to use the ITR brakes?

[EG30]

I thought the Si weight according to redbook is more like 1015Kg, not sure if that included A/C as it was an option.

With the Vti the sunroof adds at least 15Kg, may be even closer to 20Kg high above its centre of gravity. The alum roof on the Evo 8 MR saves "only" 4kg and it makes enough of a difference to justify the effort in a heavy car so imagine what it would do to your handling in the civic.

The B18CR drivetrain with heavier duty driveshafts, engine itself and bigger brakes and 5 stud hubs assuming you are doing them as well would add another 20-30Kg I've been told at the front end of the car.

I drive an EG Si as my daily driver and planning to the same conversion, and bought a DC2R to learn more about the drivetrain and its tuning potential at the meantime.

[Boban]

I would go for the Si, i got a VTi at the moment and i rally don't use the sunroof all that much, nor do i need/want an airbag. Only good thing is the scream vtec makes when it kicks in (i know it's sohc vtec but i got a big a55 intake so i can hear it). A mate of mine just picked up an si sedan for 3g, so jelous, i paid more than 3x that for mine

[dasicvtec]

Hi Mate

Essentially In your position but more like EG vs EK but still my info will help j00 :P

Figures from the Honda.com.au site

VTi = 1050kg
GLi = 1013kg
Breeze = 1000kg

Si = Somewhere in between

Essentially the reason why personally I would go for a Si or GLi over the VTi is the fact that those two models dont have a sunroof - Saving a fair amount of weight. Im not too keen on them and id be doing an engine conversion eventually so the power is not too much of a concern

I believe the Si, like the VTi, has rear brakes. The Si also has power options just without the sunroof, as the Si was the top of the range model before the Vti.

For me, If i was to find a good condition Si with less then 130K km's for less the 6500, id get it.

Si is the best of both worlds i think . Power(DOHC - yes i realise its the same output as the vti - and no sunroof :D (saves weight)

[aimre]

Hi Mate

Essentially In your position but more like EG vs EK but still my info will help j00 :P

Figures from the Honda.com.au site

VTi = 1050kg
GLi = 1013kg
Breeze = 1000kg

Si = Somewhere in between

Essentially the reason why personally I would go for a Si or GLi over the VTi is the fact that those two models dont have a sunroof - Saving a fair amount of weight. Im not too keen on them and id be doing an engine conversion eventually so the power is not too much of a concern

I believe the Si, like the VTi, has rear brakes. The Si also has power options just without the sunroof, as the Si was the top of the range model before the Vti.

For me, If i was to find a good condition Si with less then 130K km's for less the 6500, id get it.

Si is the best of both worlds i think . Power(DOHC - yes i realise its the same output as the vti - and no sunroof :D (saves weight)


$6500??

I got a Vti, 63,000k log books. >2 yrs ago $5,700

Kazaam got a IMMACULATE Vti <100,000ks $6000

These cars are old now, dont pay too much for them

[dasicvtec]

Yeh it does seem a bit high, but noone really sells them for less then $6000 anymore - if you can find one please let me know :D

[aimre]

Yeh it does seem a bit high, but noone really sells them for less then $6000 anymore - if you can find one please let me know :D

Just cos they advertise high, dont be discouraged to bargain down.

Also, pay more for someone whos already done the conversion.

8k for B16 civic

OR

6.5k For civic + 3k For b16 = 9.5k

Ends up cheaper, buying somone elses money pit (i stole that from someone, but i forget who)

[STTICH]

the market & timing plays a big role in price, ie: the price of wat everyone esle is selling at the same time.

i find it in general.. car's a cheaper in Sdy? hit up carsales and look at the price in Vic. EG dont come close to the price that aimre has mentioned.

[simonnowis]

eg hatchs are overpriced. iv searched everywhere and alot of ridiculous prices. near the prices of ek's. the eg civic si seems pretty difficult to find in good condition at a reasonable price as well.

[mapdit]

theres si for sale on carsales..
for like 5.5 i fink..however its auto.

[simonnowis]

yeh the 121000km one, i would def buy it if it was manual. its been on carsales forawhile. theres an si on tradingpost with sunroof. but i would rather get a vti if i were to get sunroof. rather stay away from the extra weight though.

[dasicvtec]

I agree simon - Ive been looking for a Civic for about 2 months now - everybody expects 6K for a Breeze :/


But there are some good examples at times. My mate got a VTi for 5K with 150000km's on it, a couple months back

[simonnowis]

5k for a vti 150k is a good deal. 6k for a carby breeze thats BS. too overpriced. they must be really patient and love spending money on advertising.

[pung_dc2]

i'm looking at a civic vti eg, which was imported from jap. and it has drums. it was just said earlier in the thread that it comes out with discs. can someone explain that to me?

[bennjamin]

its not a vti. Simple. Its maybe a vti engine but its a carbied EG body. Avoid it

[pung_dc2]

wots the downside with the carbied body as opposed to the VTi body? sorry if this is a stupid question

[d15z1SUX]

drum brakes. no sway bars. lca's are solid so u need to change them if u want to put on sway bars.

are civic vei meant to have drum brakes?