Warning Points / Infractions

[yourfather]

Hi,

Look I'm a little concerned with specifically one user.

I don't believe the warning points system is very useful if we are going to have someone that is extremely offensive on here.

I found his posts about race and ethnicity very offensive, and I am from the same race as him.

Maybe if you get a warning point, it effectively mutes you from further conversation, rather than banning you from the site. Because I am a little frustrated at their avatar, their attitude towards people of other races, and a general inability to have any semblance of tolerance towards others from different races.

Specifically considering the fact that unless you are an aborigine and have had ancestors here for 40,000 years, everyone is an immigrant and is not native to this place.

Therefore, can we please impose some form of sanctions on people who do not behave in an appropriate manner, as opposed to warning points. Like muting, etc.

[bennjamin]

Mods have usernotes too against any given member so we can keep track.
If someone is offensive multiple times and they recieve an infraction each time they will soon be banned. Thats the most of it.

Otherwise simply pm a mod with a private complaint about "said" user and we can have a chat and ask them to calm down.

[yourfather]

Its not that, its just that the dude gets a "point" and one day he might get banned.

If they say something that offensive, they should get something stuck over their mouth so they cant talk anymore.

[bennjamin]

we cant stop people from being immature or offensive~ all we can do is make do after someone has offended.
What I can do , is add the offensive word/s to our censorship...so it is ****** out when it is typed.

like **** , **** etc.

[krogoth]

i think wat luc is suggesting...is if a user in one thread has been neg repped or reported 3 times in THAT same thread, then they are automatically muted and not alllowed to post in that thread anymore

and a notice is sent to the section moderator

but this could be a little complicated, and once u PM a moderator, the mod can physically do the muting

but i supose u guys already have enuf on ur plate, so a little help would be useful

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

shit piss **** **** cocksucker mother****er **** tart turd and twat

just checking whats allowed :)

[aaronng]

i think wat luc is suggesting...is if a user in one thread has been neg repped or reported 3 times in THAT same thread, then they are automatically muted and not alllowed to post in that thread anymore

I don't think that can be automated unless a hacked method is used (and that will make ozhonda vulnerable to hacking like before)

[yourfather]

its not about automating the process, its just that I was hoping that rather than having a user accumulating points, that a mod could mute him / her until it was further discussed in the forum.

So today, when I Pm'd qball about the content that i reported, instead of just deleting the thread, or removing the posts, the user can be muted and the issue can be taken to another step up the chain.

So that other moderators can discuss his behaviour and decide whether or not it requires further discipline, or whatever. But im not going to say that we should use gestapo tactics and randomly mute people for their misdeeds...

[bennjamin]

luke what you are saying , is to disable their account correct ? IE a temp. ban ? IF so , this is entirely possible and has been done before. The user can still browse but cannot post etc. But otherwise it would resemble a "hack" for Vb and wont be allowed due to past instance.
We as moderators often discuss members issues and thoughts/queries - its all to make this a better place.

[Q_ball]

Luke la, I was seriously busy at work today when you PM'd me, hence the reason why i said that there was a bit too much reading to do and that i'd do it now when im home...

Has the situation been taken care of?

[Bayani]

Maybe points = Removal of common features, such as use of an avatar, use of a signature, reduction in PM's - To negate this, the person will need to bild up their PQ's :)

[wynode]

Ok I'll try and address all your queries :)


Hi,
I don't believe the warning points system is very useful if we are going to have someone that is extremely offensive on here.


If someone is offensive then they'll get an infraction against them. If they continue they'll get another infraction and so on till they eventually get a ban. If it is an EXTREME case (ie spamming despite infractions already been given), then a custom infraction or instant ban will be issued.



Maybe if you get a warning point, it effectively mutes you from further conversation, rather than banning you from the site.


This would involve custom code and is not an easy thing to do even then.



Therefore, can we please impose some form of sanctions on people who do not behave in an appropriate manner, as opposed to warning points. Like muting, etc.

Sanctions? Can't say I follow but a user basically get an infraction once they do something wrong and this brings it to their attention that they are in the wrong. If they continue they get banned. There isn't anything in between getting an infraction and a ban.

Just so others are aware the infractions system/points level is outlined in the site discussion sticky here (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59373).

[Mr_will]

i think what yourfather was trying to say is a way of stopping them posting in a particular thread, or something

[wynode]

i think what yourfather was trying to say is a way of stopping them posting in a particular thread, or something
If that is the case then its not possible :)

[yourfather]

ok, I understand that you're saying no...

But, I think that it is important that we have a way to deal with issues quickly if there is one.

No-one should have seen the shit he was posting, it's a waste of cyberspace.

I think the infractions system is good because it gives people the ability to redeem themselves, and 99.9% of us want to be a part of a community - but the other .1% don't and don't care if they get them or not.

Plus i think that avatars that say things like

"You should be proud that you were born white" should be removed.

[bennjamin]

We as moderators have no idea whom you refer to , since Q_ball is keeping it to himself it seems lol. Next time pm more than one mod to get the job done if need be Luke :)

[krogoth]

yeh, lol

just look at who is online and PM spam them, should get some pretty quick results

if its in a strange hour of the day, ie 4am in the morn, call nick, heez bound to be awake, lol

[christmas]

Well it doesn’t take genius to work out who everyone is talking about.
I might not have much in my defence, however I have only ever posted my thoughts on race, religion and multiculturalism in Australia where the thread at hand has in some way addressed the subject of race.

I don’t post my comments to offend as I am sure no one would post comments with the intent to offend or make other users of the board feel unwelcome.

I make my comments where they are needed or in someway tie in with the post at hand and where I feel that my input can add to the community or at least make my feelings on a subject known to the community.

As I have stated in another thread today (as I was being harassed for no apparent reason) I am more then willing to discuss all of my actions and more then happy to discuss the reasoning behind any of my posts through PM in an effort to keep the board clean of meaningless SPAM.

So if anyone would like to discuss any of this further please feel free to make contact.

P.S. As for the warning point idea, it has great merit yourfather but I really don’t see it working effectively and may end up being abused or misused by members of the board.
And I think Ozhonda has a great team of mods and it’s not very often that there is not one on board who could help with such a situation if it were to arise.
Cheers
Christmas

[yourfather]

the thing is man, you have no reason behind your racist views. they are wrong.

[christmas]

Hey dude, glad it was me you were referring to, not that hard to make out. You might feel it’s wrong but I feel it’s not wrong to feel the way I do, there is nothing I can do about it, but would you agree that I only bring up the subject of race where it’s called for? Ok well maybe not I was also the creator of the David Lane thread which some people disagreed with, rightly or wrongly so I don’t know I felt it may have been a subject that other people may have constructive comments on, seems not at this late stage.

My views through your eyes may look racist but the way I look at it my views are more leading towards nationalism then hate for all other races, I certainly don’t view it like that.

[chunky]

i think wat luc is suggesting...is if a user in one thread has been neg repped or reported 3 times in THAT same thread, then they are automatically muted and not alllowed to post in that thread anymore

and a notice is sent to the section moderator

but this could be a little complicated, and once u PM a moderator, the mod can physically do the muting

but i supose u guys already have enuf on ur plate, so a little help would be useful

bs man

what if dikheads (this has happened to me btw)
spammers kept neg repping me for the same post over and over
all gay man

[Mr_will]

lol chunky you have only made like 3 tech section posts here ever...doesnt give ppl much opportunity to give you +rep

[dc2dc2dc2]

bs man

what if dikheads (this has happened to me btw)
spammers kept neg repping me for the same post over and over
all gay man

:wave::wave::wave:

[wynode]

bs man

what if dikheads (this has happened to me btw)
spammers kept neg repping me for the same post over and over
all gay man
And as a result you'll be more careful about you posts. If the system is abused let me know. If you post something that is wrong and people neg rep you then the system is working exactly how it's meant to work.

[zco]

i got a infraction coz i posted somethingf for sale that wasnt mine. it says its expired atm

if i get 50 , then account gets suspended, (not sure if its 50 or not.. but whatever).. does it mean, 50 in total ? (expired or not) or 50 pts that are not expired at the same time.. ?

[wynode]

You'll get a short term ban as soon as you hit 20 points and a permanent ban when you hit 50 points.

It's only points that have not expired. So you're fine for now :)

[zco]

oh. i get it. sick. 1+ rep point for you wynode LOL

[JRC]

Well actually you did make a post like that, in Pogi's frustrated asian male thread.

It was intended as a joke and you had to make a post promoting your racial segregation propaganda.

Every other person that saw that before it got deleted thought and knew it was a ridiculous way to take a thead and as a result the thread was deleted.

So don't come in to this thread claming that you make your comments when you feel they are needed.....

Honestly...



Well it doesn’t take genius to work out who everyone is talking about.
I might not have much in my defence, however I have only ever posted my thoughts on race, religion and multiculturalism in Australia where the thread at hand has in some way addressed the subject of race.

I don’t post my comments to offend as I am sure no one would post comments with the intent to offend or make other users of the board feel unwelcome.

I make my comments where they are needed or in someway tie in with the post at hand and where I feel that my input can add to the community or at least make my feelings on a subject known to the community.

As I have stated in another thread today (as I was being harassed for no apparent reason) I am more then willing to discuss all of my actions and more then happy to discuss the reasoning behind any of my posts through PM in an effort to keep the board clean of meaningless SPAM.

So if anyone would like to discuss any of this further please feel free to make contact.

P.S. As for the warning point idea, it has great merit yourfather but I really don’t see it working effectively and may end up being abused or misused by members of the board.
And I think Ozhonda has a great team of mods and it’s not very often that there is not one on board who could help with such a situation if it were to arise.
Cheers
Christmas

[krogoth]

Well actually you did make a post like that, in Pogi's frustrated asian male thread.

It was intended as a joke and you had to make a post promoting your racial segregation propaganda.

Every other person that saw that before it got deleted thought and knew it was a ridiculous way to take a thead and as a result the thread was deleted.

So don't come in to this thread claming that you make your comments when you feel they are needed.....

Honestly...


LOL

fkn christmas is gettin burned

EDIT:

http://www.pacandbig.com/pacandbig.jpg

christmas got ownd by these guys, lol

[yourfather]

Hey dude, glad it was me you were referring to, not that hard to make out. You might feel it’s wrong but I feel it’s not wrong to feel the way I do, there is nothing I can do about it, but would you agree that I only bring up the subject of race where it’s called for? Ok well maybe not I was also the creator of the David Lane thread which some people disagreed with, rightly or wrongly so I don’t know I felt it may have been a subject that other people may have constructive comments on, seems not at this late stage.

My views through your eyes may look racist but the way I look at it my views are more leading towards nationalism then hate for all other races, I certainly don’t view it like that.


Before you start preaching about nationalism, you must understand what a nation is.

It is either -

1) a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own.

or

2) an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

Now, you choose example number 2, I choose number 1.

Racism is never right.

A true patriot is not someone who excludes others from the liberties that they enjoy, they encourage them to search for their own freedom themselves.

[christmas]

LOL

fkn christmas is gettin burned

EDIT:

http://www.pacandbig.com/pacandbig.jpg

christmas got ownd by these guys, lol

And you got ownd by this guy.
http://boingboing.net/images/militaryextremists450.jpg

[Mr_will]

And you got ownd by this guy.
http://boingboing.net/images/militaryextremists450.jpg

youre not funny.

[yourfather]

http://wigu.com/overcompensating/pictures/watermelon.png

[christmas]

^^ lol, thats how i feel :(

[Mr_will]

didums

[dc2dc2dc2]

Stop spamming site discussion guys

Cheers.

[JRC]

christmas you still havent justified your post in pogi's thread?

how on earth were they in context to the thread as you say your posts are?

[christmas]

Well JRC it covered race and the fact that the male portrayed in the cartoon thought the other races were ugly, and he only liked his own (don’t get me wrong that’s not a bad thing) how ever, it also covered the subject of race mixing which I don’t want to address here.
So I think I was well within my rights posting about multicultural issues.

[bennjamin]

its within your rights to post whatever you please , but its a moderators right to edit or remove any posts that are deemed offensive to any person for any reason.
christmas , while i understand you have a strong viewpoint in regarding many things please allow others to share their freedom of speech too , Please try to not offend others with any topic/post/picture etc.

[yourfather]

its within your rights to post whatever you please

disagree, no-one has the right to post things like

a) child porn
b) underage porn
c) any porn
d) anything illegal

[bennjamin]

disagree, no-one has the right to post things like

a) child porn
b) underage porn
c) any porn
d) anything illegal

I refer to the ability to post whatever you please. Its up to the rules and regulations and thus viewers to enforce / decide IF something is deemed offensive etc.
And i refer to the choice to deem what is good/bad in posting. This is the right of the member posting.

Anyway point is dont post anything that would/could be offensive in any way.

[Mr_will]

i am more concerned with receiving infractions from mods for rep that was given in a DIY thread.

it is up to the individual user to subjectively asses the worth of the post accordingly, and however clear cut it might seem to mods or others, they should not have the right to give infraction points for rep that was given in the correct section, as the result of a post which the individual user believes is poor.

[krogoth]

i am more concerned with receiving infractions from mods for rep that was given in a DIY thread.

it is up to the individual user to subjectively asses the worth of the post accordingly, and however clear cut it might seem to mods or others, they should not have the right to give infraction points for rep that was given in the correct section, as the result of a post which the individual user believes is poor.

who gave the infraction?

[bennjamin]

who gave the infraction?

do tell - please link us the situation / post as well.

[bennjamin]

*EDIT*

wait , you gave out rep for a irrelevant post. This is not allowed. So , you received an infraction for it.

EVERYONE. ONLY USE THE PQ BUTTON FOR TECHNICAL RELATED POSTS !

looks liek this - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/images/aria/buttons/reputation.gif

NO OFF TOPIC POST DESERVES A PQ POINT !

[Mr_will]

i made another thread in site discussion about it

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1223642#post1223642

id rather not say who gave it, i dont want to turn it into something personal against the mod, coz thats not what it is.

if he chooses to name himself i have no problem i just dont want to be seen to be 'having a go' at anyone:thumbsup:

[Mr_will]

*EDIT*

wait , you gave out rep for a irrelevant post. This is not allowed. So , you received an infraction for it.

i gave out rep for a post in the appropriate section of the forum that i thought was bad. i complied with the terms and conditions both of the forum itself and specifically those applicable to rep points, so the infraction is not justified.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

i gave out rep for a post in the appropriate section of the forum that i thought was bad. i complied with the terms and conditions both of the forum itself and specifically those applicable to rep points, so the infraction is not justified.

as above, how am i supposed to know what posts mods will class as irrelevent?
if i see a post that i believe is poor quality i'll give it a -1 rep point. And that would have to be at the risk of a mod reading that post and deeming it relevent or irrelevent (at my penalty expense) later.
re: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1221738#post1221738
i believe the explanation given with the -1 or +1 should be considered.

[bennjamin]

K had a peek - IMO its a good post as it is a reminder to the thread starter and thus all members to add disclaimer and what not.
But i dont think a PQ point is what was needed.
Mind you , since a PQ point wasnt 100% then you shouldn't of gotten an infraction for it ( IE abit harsh)

[bennjamin]

as above, how am i supposed to know what posts mods will class as irrelevent?
if i see a post that i believe is poor quality i'll give it a -1 rep point. And that would have to be at the risk of a mod reading that post and deeming it relevent or irrelevent (at my penalty expense) later.
re: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1221738#post1221738
i believe the explanation given with the -1 or +1 should be considered.


There IS an option to post a reason WHY you gave someone a + or - point.
It isnt mandatory tho sorry.

[Mr_will]

K had a peek - IMO its a good post as it is a reminder to the thread starter and thus all members to add disclaimer and what not.
But i dont think a PQ point is what was needed.
Mind you , since a PQ point wasnt 100% then you shouldn't of gotten an infraction for it ( IE abit harsh)

i cant argue with you saying that it was a questionable rep point, you are exactly right there.

so how do i go about addressing the fact that i dont believe the infraction was justified?

since you seem to agree with me, i dont see why the infraction needs to stay there. i get the point that was trying to be made by the mod and thats enough i reckon

[Mr_will]

There IS an option to post a reason WHY you gave someone a + or - point.
It isnt mandatory tho sorry.

the last few times i gave -rep it said i had to give a reason, im pretty sure?

[EKVTIR-T]

Besides mods,giving - rep is just like lagging.In other words pathetic...

[bennjamin]

you can just click OK without giving a reason - or type in a single character etc. We do push people to give a reason for rep tho.
If you feel its unjust , create a thread ( as you have) or pm the mod responsible (like you probably have) and work something out.

Its soooo easy to pm a mod and just chit chat - gets results.
Usually people blow up at at mods for any matter of reasons and it doesn't get anywhere. Keep you cool guys :)

[Mr_will]

Besides mods,giving - rep is just like lagging.In other words pathetic...

ja although i can appreciate that their job is tough and having to deal with all the crap on this forum would be no easy task.

if i had just not neg rep i really wouldnt be caring, its because if i get one more infraction for a silly reason like i did this time that = 20 points which i think = a ban. thats the only reason i want the infraction taken off.

[krogoth]

how many points did u get taken off?

it should say

[bennjamin]

Wynode isnt online , wait for his opinion in this thread then he or one other mod will act accordingly.

[Mr_will]

how many points did u get taken off?

it should say

10. infraction

[wynode]

as above, how am i supposed to know what posts mods will class as irrelevent?
if i see a post that i believe is poor quality i'll give it a -1 rep point. And that would have to be at the risk of a mod reading that post and deeming it relevent or irrelevent (at my penalty expense) later.
re: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1221738#post1221738
i believe the explanation given with the -1 or +1 should be considered.

We only give infraction points for ABUSE of the infractions system, as was the case in the thread above. T