Your Mods To 2006-2011 FD Civics

[JOhnnyFD]

hahaha.. like the mugenRR.. nah, the rear FD2R bumper doesnt allow fitting for a dual exhaust unless im gonna cut it which i dont think im gonna do

[Wayne]

wow johnny.. u using FD2R kit? any pics to share? =)

[markCivicVti]

http://a1.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e800040110181951d1860f-500pi

Latest mod in progress... some oem thailand foglights. Thinking of tinting the glass a jdm yellow...

[ej20i]

Do IT!

[ekdez]

^what he said

[markCivicVti]

Thanks... that confirms that I'm not crazy when thinking they'd look good in yellow.

Will do the other side tonight.. and wire it up on Sunday. Then try and source some tint stuff in yellow.

(It's things like this that make me glad i always have another, crappier, car to drive around while I tinker with my pride n joy)

[black8thgen]

ahahhaa, btw touge tune (i think its them) sells those colours tint thingys lol. i reckon try it in blue =D

[Stig]

neone know how much rougly it will roughly cost to fix a cracked rear mugen lip? :(

[williamwong]

you cracked your rear Stig? i cracked my front lol, wana swap ?? j/ks

[black8thgen]

ouch =[. just buy a new one hehe. 200 bucks i think?

[curtis265]

wud suck really bad to crack a lip and need to replace it all the time :(

[black8thgen]

just gotta be very careful haha. im a bit worried now after i get the car dropped 2" on 18s... will be needing to keep some money saved up for replacement lips haha

[howy]

it's something we gotta live with for lowering the car...

[fitme]

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/mamar_05/239-1.jpg

where i can get this projector type head light??

[Wayne]

Taiwan.. =)

[philip_pc]

looks like a retrofit to me in my opinion

[howy]

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/mamar_05/239-1.jpg

where i can get this projector type head light??

You can't, those are retrofitted projectors.

[Wayne]

i found bunches of this headlight at taiwan.. price around 15000 NT$.. =)

anyway.. anyone know where can get the Carbon Trunk for FD2 in australia?

[FallenAngel]

lol why do u want a carbon trunk...

[howy]

i found bunches of this headlight at taiwan.. price around 15000 NT$.. =)

anyway.. anyone know where can get the Carbon Trunk for FD2 in australia?

imo... it looks crap. It's just so outta place.

cf spoiler... ok.
cf bonnet... ok.

but the boot/trunk?

[Wayne]

to carbonize the full car.. start from trunk.. haha.. =)

[howy]

to carbonize the full car.. start from trunk.. haha.. =)

lol you mean like the RR advanced concept? :P

[markCivicVti]

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/mamar_05/239-1.jpg

where i can get this projector type head light??

I want that CF V-lip :(


Progress tonight:

http://a1.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e8000401101679d309860d-500pi

Even re-fitted the bumper by myself.. was a little tricky to do alone tho... now all that's left is the interior wiring...

[Stig]

you cracked your rear Stig? i cracked my front lol, wana swap ?? j/ks

LOL howd you crack your front lip? mine was in the city, man i hate the city, every damage to my car is from the freggen city, ARGH

[williamwong]

my sister drove to maccas and hit the curb.hard. T__T

[Wayne]

yup.. RR concept.. =)

[black8thgen]

btw mark have you got ur carbon hood yet?!?!!?

[markCivicVti]

Should arrive at the port end of the month.. Then maybe a week to get cleared.

[curtis265]

Dam.. Retrofits take skill... and balls to d, but it looks fvcking good, and you can put nice HID's in it too T.T

[Wayne]

there are ready-made at taiwan now.. not those angel eyes which found common in market.. so is not a must to have balls to install it.. hehe.. =)

[curtis265]

YES! Installations Without Balls!

That's an investment right there.

[liquid23]

Recent mods, Lambo doors and CF Wing :D
more pics to come of carbon interior.

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[Waternmo]

wow, dats sumthin i've never imagined on a FD, good job mate!

[aero]

wow man! they must have cost a bit.. LOL looks hella awesome tho. now for suicide doors for the rears :p and maybe lowering it just a bit

[black8thgen]

son of a bitch. thats awesome. great work on the car buddy.. keep us posted on pics!

[liquid23]

thanks guys =)


wow man! they must have cost a bit.. LOL looks hella awesome tho. now for suicide doors for the rears :p and maybe lowering it just a bit

haha funny thing is i've actually thought about sucide doors but don't think i'll do it. haven't seen anyone done it before either.
I'm putting 19"s on so it should look better just gotta decide what type of wheels to put on.

[ekdez]

might wanna do something with the back doors now LOL!

[ryanc]

hmm creative thinkin
altho dun think lambo doors r my thing for a 30k honda civic :S
but good stuff anyways :)

[Wayne]

wow.. nice.. even with stock wheels oso look nice.. grab some performance wheels =)

[curtis265]

drool car!

Suicide doors for the back? More lambo doors for the back?

[ganj3]

OMG so nice! And its in WA too :D

[liquid23]

omg so nice! And its in wa too :d

woo go perth! :D

my interior, all door trims front and back are carbon. front dash and centre console as well

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9517/p1010765.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6226/p1010786.jpg

[civic_07]

^^^ thats nice :thumbsup:. been wanting to get a set for mine...

[black8thgen]

damn nice LCD screen haha. looks so hot man. gj on it.

[Waternmo]

is installing the panel and the dvd player hard? r u still able to use the buttons on the steering wheel? i would also like to find out where i can order one that matches the audm civic interior. thanks heaps

[Wayne]

if common model like alpine.. JVC.. kenwood.. u can buy the control so that u can match back our steering switch.. can search on crutchfield.com or ebay.. =)

[liquid23]

^^^ thats nice :thumbsup:. been wanting to get a set for mine...

You can buy one that is real carbon but it overlays, i have some fake carbon overlays. mine are moulds :D


damn nice LCD screen haha. looks so hot man. gj on it.

thx man


is installing the panel and the dvd player hard? r u still able to use the buttons on the steering wheel? i would also like to find out where i can order one that matches the audm civic interior. thanks heaps

Erm not hard, just need to buy the double din dash and buy a player and put it in :) the steering wheel control can be used, just need to attach a PAC-SWI Jack or something like that. just gotta know how to program it. you'll know how after playing with it for awhile like my installer did lol. took 2 hours to install my deck and only costed me $50!!! :thumbsup:

[curtis265]

i jizzed in my pants

[Brescia]

Ive gotten a carbon roof spoiler, and ive painted my buddy club wheels milano red
no pics yet

[black8thgen]

wow. red =O.

whered u get the cf roof spoiler from?!

[Brescia]

yep,
so far ive found people either love it or hate it.

roof spoiler http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106061

[curtis265]

I like the roof spoiler!

[Waternmo]

does anyone kno where i can get the OEM duck tail spoiler at a better price than 750 from honda? and has anyone installed the mugen pedals onto their FD? any drilling required? thanks

[.k.]

hey watermo try traders here on OH i think i remember seeing a place that sells them!

edit- here's link with fd accessories but no ducktail :( - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106061

[black8thgen]

mugen pedals are just stick on i'm pretty sure. theres an adhesive on the back of them and they just go over the stock pedals.. too expensive though haha.

[Brescia]

Wheel nuts need to be painted (black)
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7366/img0023qru.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8794/img0025lhl.jpg

[JOhnnyFD]

wow.. red buddyclubs

and ye, not a huge fan of the roof spoiler

[Wayne]

omg.. is that a real carbon? how much u got it? mind PM me? im looking for that stuff long time oredy.. i thought i only have ABS.. finally carbon released.. lol..

[Waternmo]

can anyone point out which one is the fuel hose in the engine bay of a FD2? is it aluminium hose or rubber hose? i hav a Topfuel power neo given by a frd in hk but im not with my car right now, this thing will only work with a rubber fuel hose... so i want to find out b4 i take it back with me...

[Brescia]

wow.. red buddyclubs

and ye, not a huge fan of the roof spoilerI wasnt either at first, i originally wanted a FEELS roof spoiler, but it was close to a grand if i recall correctly.... too much for what it is...
it looks best when you view the car from the rear imo


omg.. is that a real carbon? how much u got it? mind PM me? im looking for that stuff long time oredy.. i thought i only have ABS.. finally carbon released.. lol..

I got it from touge tune, just shoot them a PM asking for a carbon one

[Stig]

they see me rollin', they hatin'...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x229/JeffSiReal/20090418%20Dyno%20Day/mini-IMG_2146.jpg

[.k.]

nice pics the red bcs look great! and so does yours stig.. how big are those wheels?!

question to anyone: just picked up my car today and was gonna go for a drive tonight but realised that the rear lights don't come on when the head-lights turned on. Braking made them light up but rear licence plate + rear lights wont come on..

i remember trying to put rear licence plate leds in but neither turned on. so turned lights off changed direction led went in and 1 of the 2 worked.. so i thought gay must have been damaged en-route - so put stockies back in and now turns out no lights work at the back haha?

probably just a fuse yeah? can i buy one any auto spare place or do i have to get a certain/specific and which fuse is it?

[ryanc]

u can even get fuses at petrol stations.. did it for mine when i screwed up my lights

make sure u kno which fuse u need and is blown... they arent all the same
open it up and have a look which one looks 'broken'

[.k.]

will it literally look broken?

[aero]

they see me rollin', they hatin'...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x229/JeffSiReal/20090418%20Dyno%20Day/mini-IMG_2146.jpg

wow nice set of wheels, stig. they look like 20" NKBs? what's the drop on the car? any scrapage with the offset or 8.5" width?

[ekdez]

wow nice set of wheels, stig. they look like 20" NKBs? what's the drop on the car? any scrapage with the offset or 8.5" width?

yes they are 20" seiken's.
from what i remember he cant drop it much, even with tein SS
cos the offsets on his wheels are wrong.. :\ bl on that one :\
hot rim!

[aero]

i thought the offset of those wheels are +45. isnt that safe? i was wondering that maybe the 8.5 width would have been more of a problem

[curtis265]

Has anyone done wheel spacers on their wheels?

Stockies don't sit flush :(

[ekdez]

i thought the offset of those wheels are +45. isnt that safe? i was wondering that maybe the 8.5 width would have been more of a problem

i think its the " 20 inch " part which is the problem.

i'll be squeezing in 18x8 +35 on front and 18x9 +35 on the rear in a week or two =]

there is a guy in melb with 20x10 on his fd. not sure about his offsets tho.

[FallenAngel]

can anyone point out which one is the fuel hose in the engine bay of a FD2? is it aluminium hose or rubber hose? i hav a Topfuel power neo given by a frd in hk but im not with my car right now, this thing will only work with a rubber fuel hose... so i want to find out b4 i take it back with me...

If i remember correctly its rubber...


will it literally look broken?

Yes there's metal piece inside the fuse that would be "snapped"


they see me rollin', they hatin'...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x229/JeffSiReal/20090418%20Dyno%20Day/mini-IMG_2146.jpg

Nice pic.. What did you pull?

[black8thgen]

thats an awesome shot lol.

[Stig]

wow nice set of wheels, stig. they look like 20" NKBs? what's the drop on the car? any scrapage with the offset or 8.5" width?

correct they are 20" NKB's, drop is 1 finger all round.
was rubbing in the rear left side with 245 tyres, then got 235 and everything is all fine now.


yes they are 20" seiken's.
from what i remember he cant drop it much, even with tein SS
cos the offsets on his wheels are wrong.. :\ bl on that one :\
hot rim!

correct! stupid euro offsets haha


i thought the offset of those wheels are +45. isnt that safe? i was wondering that maybe the 8.5 width would have been more of a problem

8.5 offset with +45 JUST fits, hence most people with 8.5 offset on their fd's go in the high 30's for their offset


Has anyone done wheel spacers on their wheels?

Stockies don't sit flush :(

was thinking of going spacers, get the 15mm ichiba hubcentric spacers :thumbsup: or the 25mm h&r. they are bolt on, unless you get the smaller ones and you have to change the studs, massive cbf imo.




Nice pic.. What did you pull?

76.2kw atw ahahha

[bodaas]

i think its the " 20 inch " part which is the problem.

i'll be squeezing in 18x8 +35 on front and 18x9 +35 on the rear in a week or two =]

there is a guy in melb with 20x10 on his fd. not sure about his offsets tho.

if you talking about silver FD that is 19x9.5

you must have gotten wrong info

20x10 is bit rare

[ekdez]

if you talking about silver FD that is 19x9.5

you must have gotten wrong info

20x10 is bit rare

yeah prob was x9.5

another member of ozhonda told me about it, on of those agentz people

[FallenAngel]

o.0 76.2kW ATW, i got 80.8kW ATW... could be the rims weight LOL although different dynos produce different results.

I'm still wanting to dyno the car again with the intake and exhaust..

[Stig]

o.0 76.2kW ATW, i got 80.8kW ATW... could be the rims weight LOL although different dynos produce different results.

I'm still wanting to dyno the car again with the intake and exhaust..

yeah i was going to dyno it on the ep3r rims, but then it got too late and i cbb putting them on so i just dynoed them on the 20s LOL

[Rein]

correct! stupid euro offsets haha

Hahaha Nice GENUINE NKB u got there.. yeh too bad its a Euro offset lol. u know guard rolls and flares will solve your problems. =) and u can lower it more.. the wheels suits your car nicely btw... =) love it

[Rein]

76.2kw atw ahahha

Throw your stockies back on and you'll easily pull 110kw hahaha

[JOhnnyFD]

Throw your stockies back on and you'll easily pull 110kw hahaha

lol.. good one

[aero]

i thought the FD1 comes at about 103kw from factory? 110 would be awesome on stock wheels! lol

[curtis265]

^tranny losses, friction losses, every other frigging loss in the world :(

[Stig]

Hahaha Nice GENUINE NKB u got there.. yeh too bad its a Euro offset lol. u know guard rolls and flares will solve your problems. =) and u can lower it more.. the wheels suits your car nicely btw... =) love it

guards are already rolled :P i rolled them when i was waiting for the rims in the mail LOL
15mm spacer all round and flared guards means it can go lower, omgg must not! too much moh, not BALLER as you REIN!


Throw your stockies back on and you'll easily pull 110kw hahaha

no way, 80kw atw with stock rims, 110kw atw with red honda and type r badges LOL

[cracker]

yeah anything red or anything that says mugen on it gives you extra kw

[.k.]

hey, apart from watermo who else is running the short-shifter adapter 999 are selling? i wanna get one for my car but dunno abt warranty =\

[curtis265]

yeah anything red or anything that says mugen on it gives you extra kw

OMG, i totally forgot about that!

DOn't forget to add stripes and flames down the side too!

[Rein]

Nothing gives more power to your engine than SPOON Socks! Fastest, easiest and cheapest way to gain those extra kws.. believe me cause ive got it on mine.. =)

[longers]

most of stigs power came from the air freshener he bought...

[.k.]

haha u kients are funny :P

ok mods as of today maybe pics when i can be stuffed - i was in a ricer mood ( HAHAHAHA)

so got the following:
3M T20 tint all round
some black valve caps that go over the bit where u pump ur tires up cos some ****ers stole mine..
rear licence plate change to white led

[Waternmo]

hey .k. ar the rear license plate light just T10 bulbs like the parkers?

[black8thgen]

yea its t10 just like the parkers. very easy to change. =]

[Waternmo]

cool! i hav like 3 pairs of leds left from my old car LOL, wat else in our cars use T10? hehe

[black8thgen]

hahaha thats it i think. Otherwise i would have changed it by now lol. =D. Unlesss i havnt looked hard enough lol..

BTW: ****ing blew my fuse i think. my interior dome lights don't work, neither does my boot light. I was instaling some LED strips in the boot last night and this morning i went to check on it and nothing is coming on.. anyone know what could have happened? Im thinking the fuse box just blew... cos otherwise it wouldn't have reached the interior lights ey?

someone help =[

[ej20i]

yea...chek ur interior lights man

[black8thgen]

yea just did. was a blown fuse. all fixed =]

[.k.]

thats good to hear, are the front parkers hard to change btw? gonna do my headlights and parkers this weekend..

[black8thgen]

nah. pretty easy, except on the passenger side.. its a real bitch because of the coolant box in the way, and with the battery there, very limited room to work ur hands with, and very painful lol, i suggest u wear some globes to prevent from getting deep cuts from the edges of the battery box (personal experience.. it hurt lol)

u just reach ur hand in, try and coordinate ur hand inside the engine bay by looking at where the parkers are in the headlight assembly (makes it a lot easier), then you should feel a small clip, (if u look down into the engine bay u should be able to see a small grey/black (cant remember lol) clip and yeah aim for that lol. Just squeeze the little clippy part (should be on the top half of the clip) and pull away from the connector, thenn just twist the bulb holder.. anti-clockwise i THINK, check the manual for that.. and pull it out then replace the bulb =D.

hope it all goes well mate

btw. edit: if your putting in LED bulbs, i think some types only work one way, so if u put the led in, and it doesnt work, dont worry, just flip it the other way around =D, and that should work.

[FallenAngel]

btw u can remove the coolant box...

you just pull it up literally... lol

[black8thgen]

yea i forgot to say.. putting it back in is a bitch lol. it always takes me like 30min alone to put the stupid thing in =.=

[Shimian]

yea i forgot to say.. putting it back in is a bitch lol. it always takes me like 30min alone to put the stupid thing in =.=

its not hard...takes like 30 secs for me...
the trick is to look at it from an angle. So stand in the centre of the car and look diagonally outwards. Hold the bottle flush against the battery and go downwards. Works for me every time

[Wayne]

yeah.. it also took me 30 mins to fit back the coolant box.. haha.. but was satisfy for the DIY job.. =)

[black8thgen]

ohreally, i never tried looking from an angle, but its so damn hard to fit ur hand in and push the bottle like.. towards the holding clip thingy lol =[

[howy]

yea i forgot to say.. putting it back in is a bitch lol. it always takes me like 30min alone to put the stupid thing in =.=

lol... you just need to slot it into place with a gentle nudge :P

not too difficult.

[black8thgen]

=/.. someone needs to show me one day lol.. i seriously become reluctant to change lights due to the coolant being a big bitch to put back in hahaha.

[curtis265]

Back to lighting: i bought numplate lights, but their beam is very directional and doesn't light up the plate terribly well... kinda like this: /\ /\ over the numplate... Should i return them? Crappy LED things focus badly compared to the stock halogen one

[black8thgen]

oh, i got some LED for the license plate and their sweet. very bright =D. are yours like 4 little led bits at the end or one bigger one? ive got these: very good quality =]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LED-Parker-Lights-Nissan-Skyline-R32-R33-R34-GTR-GTS-T_W0QQitemZ120408168680QQihZ002QQcategoryZ42613QQt cZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

tad pricey but i got them as bonus when i bought some high beam HB3 bulbs from that seller

[Wayne]

wow.. flux LED is bright.. =)

[howy]

the one i bought was $12ish delivered...

check out: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13043

they're pretty good for what they are :)

[.k.]

yeh my rear licence plate leds dont light up THAT great but they do the job.. whats the best out there on the market for t10 white led's? i wanna change my rears to something a little more bright + change my front parker to t10

[black8thgen]

idnno, all the ones i got are sweet so far, my front parkers are from a guy who was selling a whole heap here on the forum before, cant find the thread anymore though.

try this site: heard its good.

http://www.brightlightautoparts.com/LEDReplacementGlobes.html

[Waternmo]

the license plate light is actually quite important, i was pulled over once by the cops becoz i had a weak license plate light in my old car, he asked me to com out and stand a few metres away from the car and asked me if i can read the number plate clearly.. i said i can but he said he cant -_-... so he asked to change it back and if im seen next time with the same dull light than it'll be a defect...

[black8thgen]

are we allowed blue LED lights for our license plate lights??

cos i heard having blue lights on the FRONT is illegal, but on the rear its fine?

[.k.]

nfi but i just bought t10 parkers from autobarn which have 5leds - the ones i bought other day have 3 so im gonna put the 3led as my front parker led and the 5led on my licence plate so its more visible.. would love to do a write-up just need to find fkn camera..

[black8thgen]

write up on how to install em? theres a DIY guide on 8thcivic.com if you want one? ill find it for ya.

[aero]

here's a few pics of the things done or gotten for my FD1 this week:

1. After months of attempting to DIY foglight installations and failing, i went down to a recommended auto mechanic and had them wired up correctly. apparently the problem was that the fuse box was incorrectly wired or something..

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/gh3ttolov3/foggies2.jpg

2. Got my windows tinted in 20% 3M carbon based tint. took about 3 hours or so and i think it looks awesome.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/gh3ttolov3/tint1.jpg

3. Finally, i also got my mugen lip kit delivered to my house this week. i was pretty worried because at first they sent me a package with just the sideskirts. and i was thinking *wth?! where's the rest of it?*. but it came later in the arvo. here's a pic of just the front lip on. not screwed on or anything, its just slipped on.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/gh3ttolov3/mugen1.jpg

now i need to paint it and get it fitted. but first i'll need an exhaust, wheels and suspension. still a lot more to do. i'll keep updating here when i get any other mods :)

EDIT:

4. also got a pic of my car after i took off the 'Civic' and 'Vti' badges. :p

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/gh3ttolov3/debadge1.jpg

[black8thgen]

wow nicenice. the kit seems to fit very nicely haha =].

[warwick108]

since u wired up the fog lights...and im guessing they are after market.. where do u put the switch?..is it next to the key hole? or is it a replacement of the stick? like the oem are?

[aero]

the switch fits into that hole just below to fuel milage select/reset button. i had to cut a hole from the back of it to get my switch in there. but i'll go down to the honda dealer whenever i can to get the panel that fits in there to secure the switch and to make it look tidy.

[eeKayFouR]

don't forget about learning how to get back into your car if you lock yourself out! neat trick haha, would have saved us so much timee

[black8thgen]

oh.. whats that LOL. i still dont know it =/

[eeKayFouR]

(btw this is .k. on mygfs lil bros acc)

aero's car auto-locked with his keys inside which is so retarded as a door was open and then later on closed but it still locked his keys inside and the racq guy took ages to try to flip the lock on the door but turns out u shud just press the lock/unlock button on the drivers side control unit:

*pause*

. . . I FCKN HATE THAT RAD OVERFLOW !@!@?@!@!@!@!@!@!@!

omg took forever to get it back in, ended up taking off the top and unconnected hoses from the bottle and then i finally got it in..

anyhoo, i successfully installed led parkers + 4750k mtec bulbs into my car and i have pics for a write-up of the headlight + front parker + rear licence plate led so stay tuned!!

watchin poker atm on one-hd so thats why it might take ages

[markCivicVti]

^ lol .k.

You couldn't wait till tomorrow could you? lol... i know the feeling... u get a new mod n u just wanna install it asap..

Yeah the coolent overflow can be a little hard to get back in.. but yeah, with led parkers you may not ever have to again.

Our lights should basically look the same now.. you equally dissapointed with the mtec bulbs? They look ok, but not bright enough whatsoever.

[aero]

dw mark. get ur foggies up and running, and they'll provide u with extra light :p

[black8thgen]

i got mtec 4750K too. im not really disappointed, wouldnt mind HIDs of course but too costly =[. and vision isnt too bad, im alright with it. and yea if u really need vision like in the rain the foggies give lots of help =].

mtec bulbs look quite nice from a distance... now i think about i think im gonna get HIDs in the near future lol

[markCivicVti]

Yeah it's not like I *need* more light... I just wasn't expecting stock to be much better than these... meh.. if anything foggies will be good for rain when ur trying to scan the road ahead for big lip-kit-killing potholes.

[black8thgen]

ahahaha. yea but with a whiter light vision on the road will be ruined since the light like blends in with street lights and all that, but in the pitch black streets its good enough i reckon

[Jackee]

just curious, has anyone had a mugen kit or any sort of mod done to a bluish silver civic fd1? if so can you show us some pics =) thanks

[eeKayFouR]

yeah not sure about the light, installed the bulbs + parkers then just parked it there for the night haha, i'll get pics and diy-write up soon.

one thing i noticed was that at the base of the bulb - it kind of looks yellow?! the light that comes out is white/blue-ish a little bit but when looking directly at the light coming out at the very base of the bulb it looks a little yellow which sucks T.T

msg me when u see this mark, i still might come around n checkout ur bonnet etc :)

[black8thgen]

yeah it is yellow at the base, unless u get HID it will be yellow lol. but trust me when u walk back about 10m in the dark or late arvo it looks quite white/blue

[eeKayFouR]

yeah i havent even tested what it's like with night driving yet :)

incase you don't see this til late mark, let me know if ur keen for carwash 2nite - i'll see if aero wants to come along too. i gotta keep it quiet tonight so i cna get to bed early for work 2moro and cleaning car will b fun lols

[curtis265]

just curious, has anyone had a mugen kit or any sort of mod done to a bluish silver civic fd1? if so can you show us some pics =) thanks

Us REAL men drive bluish silver :)

[markCivicVti]

Latest mod :P

http://a3.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e8000401101641c22b860c-500pi

Well.. it's also my latest de-mod. As I decided to remove it and go back to stock and not pay for the cf bonnet... quite frankly i was a little dissapointed.. while the top finish is fine, a.) the vents are much larger and different to the image my supplier sent me b) underneath was a fibreglass frame... not a metal one like the 09 jazz cf bonnets the same manufacturer makes... and it took some modifcation to make it fit nicely.

Having said all that if anyone wants the bonnet (i was gonna pay $700 for) I can refer you onto my supplier... as he is a top bloke!


Edit: it looked great from the front and "so-so" from the side/back. It just screams "DEFECT ME!!!"
So yeah, saved myself some money and all little fed up with wasting money on the car... I think I might just call it a day and move onto the up and coming motorbike.


btw this is what it was meant to look like:
http://a7.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e80004011017b0d02f860e-500pi

[JOhnnyFD]

the bonnet totally looks different from the pic.. wtf... wat a con!

the bonnet itself looks abit too much... not digging the huge vents

in terms of mod, i agree mark.. after im gonna install my sussys, sway bar and HIDs.. im gonna slow it down.. thinkin of put on brake kits (disc, calipers and pads) and bride or buddyclub seats but that would be on another time

[Fung]

my first mod...well not really mod...just visual upgrade =]
genuine Mugen door garnish
http://file048b.bebo.com/3/large/2009/04/18/05/6571478702a10629497619l.jpg
http://file048b.bebo.com/3/large/2009/04/18/05/6571478702a10629497630l.jpg
http://file048b.bebo.com/3/large/2009/04/18/05/6571478702a10629497700l.jpg

[markCivicVti]

the bonnet totally looks different from the pic.. wtf... wat a con!

the bonnet itself looks abit too much... not digging the huge vents

Yeah, thats why I didn't keep it... think my suppliers supplier conned him... I'll see what he has to say on monday. I liked the image of the one that i was supposed to get.

[Wayne]

do u have more angle for the carbon hood? that was mugen style vented hood.. lol.. =)

[JOhnnyFD]

haha.. my ex-gf left shoe cuff marks on the front passenger door underside.. man i was pissed.. thus the ex.. LOL.. jkjk

and putting on door garnish does pervent/minimise shoe marks on the door underside and definitely does look good

[Fung]

haha.. my ex-gf left shoe cuff marks on the front passenger door underside.. man i was pissed.. thus the ex.. LOL.. jkjk

and putting on door garnish does pervent/minimise shoe marks on the door underside and definitely does look good

hahaha~~

but yeah, not only is the garnish provide great styles, they do help reduce the chance of friends/family leavin marks on the car, esp when my car is white >=/ love it white but its a pain washing it~~~

esp when the bird leave their crap and stains my car X[ hate it!!!!!!

[JOhnnyFD]

black is even worse bro... gets dusty within a week or two

silver is the most safest bet but its such a boring colour.. sorry to all who have a silver FD

[markCivicVti]

My car is parked in the garage for 5 days a week... gets dusty just sitting there. black ftw!

[aero]

silver is the most safest bet but its such a boring colour.. Sorry to all who have a silver fd

:( :(

[JOhnnyFD]

:( :(

haha sorry dude... i bet its a very clean car :thumbsup:

[black8thgen]

ahahaha. yeaa silver isnt my cup of tea either.. but black is a bitch to maintain, worthit at the end though =]

btw johnny - with your LED parkers, their like pure blue right? like not just white with blue tinge, but 100% spark blue sorta thing? cos i just put some blue led parkers in and holy shit their blue as.. and you've had no trouble with coppas?

btw it is illegal to have blue light on the front of the car right?.. but legal on the back?

[curtis265]

Agreed: black sucks at maintaining...

Silver is boring :(

[JOhnnyFD]

ahahaha. yeaa silver isnt my cup of tea either.. but black is a bitch to maintain, worthit at the end though =]

btw johnny - with your LED parkers, their like pure blue right? like not just white with blue tinge, but 100% spark blue sorta thing? cos i just put some blue led parkers in and holy shit their blue as.. and you've had no trouble with coppas?

btw it is illegal to have blue light on the front of the car right?.. but legal on the back?

my front parkers are blue LED.. 100% blue, if u put on ur low beams it should be aiight.. i went past the popos a few times and they didnt do anything

[black8thgen]

hmm, cos yea i put on my lowbeams which are 4750K andddd from like 5mish its pretty obvious lol.. ah well. ill jus wait till i get pulled over then ill change back to whiet lol

[eeKayFouR]

its k again - trader called pro-racing or something will be getting daiyama coilovers in and they'll cost 1500 delivered anywhere in aus thought i'd give a heads-up :)

[black8thgen]

btw it is illegal to have blue light on the front of the car right?.. but legal on the back?

[cracker]

yo mark, wat front parkers do u use?

[Waternmo]

my frd's lancer got defected coz he changed the reverse light and number plate light to Blue led...

[black8thgen]

uhm.. ****? what about just number plate lol.... oh no =[

[markCivicVti]

yo mark, wat front parkers do u use?

White led parkers mate.

[black8thgen]

white? i saw a pic of em they look very blue in the pic lol =D

whered u get em from?

[markCivicVti]

Yeah in photos they can look blue.. But they are pure white. Got them off autoplatinum on ebay. Not a big fan of blue everything.

[black8thgen]

ohhh. i got those LEDs too.. but used em for my license plate lights.. aand now i replaced those with blue LEDs lol..

ahh fair enough. =]

[.k.]

does anyone know what size bulbs are used inside the car?

for:
*the two lights directly above/overhead the middle dash area
* Light in the middle of the car
* Light in the boot

cos i want to change them over to led

[black8thgen]

boot = t10
interior dome lights = (both the two lights above the dash and the light in the middle of the car) are a form of t10, but their like.. hmm i dont know the proper name lol.. there was a thread where i bought my led ones for those off but the thread is deleted now.. it had the name for it =[.. sorry cant help you on that

btw if this helps: - they look like a small tube where the pos/neg metal pieces are on either end of the tube thing and in the middle is a bit of glass/plastic where the LED light shines through.. i cant find a pic cos my nets fkn capped =[

edit: disregard what isaid: here an ebay link to some blue ones:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2-x-Blue-8-LED-Interior-Dome-Light-Bulbs-Festoon-39mm_W0QQitemZ400045187318QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Ca r_Parts_Accessories?hash=item400045187318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

[curtis265]

eeeeh my numplate lights seem to dark :(:(:(

[black8thgen]

mine are bright blue.. but at night in pitch black streets where theres no car behind me shining headlights on me... u cant see the middle letter that great lol =/ defect here i come

[.k.]

so any Festoon 39mm bulbs will work for the interior?

[black8thgen]

what u can do is just take out the stock ones now and measure em and look for any letters or codes on it ?

[curtis265]

mine are bright blue.. but at night in pitch black streets where theres no car behind me shining headlights on me... u cant see the middle letter that great lol =/ defect here i come

Yeah i got that too... :(

i might go back to stock and can this idea for the time being

[black8thgen]

but if i go back to white.. its damn bright lol, could see it from a mile away =.=... just these blue ones are very.. blue haha. ah well.. how much is a defect for blue license plate bulbs and blue LED parkers? and theres the chance the cop would just warn me or something right?

[.k.]

yeh they could warn you, just depends on how much revenue they've raised that day - ie have they reached their quota yet? if not then bam say hello to my little friend.. fine and maybe even defect LOL?

[black8thgen]

LOL. ah shit.. =[. do u know approx. how much that fine would be lol? wow cops have quotas? wtf.. =.=... RIGGED

[cracker]

ppl will try nd say its not true, but they do have quotas

[black8thgen]

farkkk.. thats shit LOL. so dus anyone kno how much that fine is?

[howy]

DEFECT NOTICES/LABELS
Use vehicle in breach of minor defect notice
Fine: $243
Demerit Points: 1

NUMBER PLATES
Use vehicle with obscured/defaced/illegible number plate
(CLASS B or C MOTOR VEHICLE)
Fine: $486
Demerit Points: 3

Now add everything up ;)

[black8thgen]

HOLY SHIT WTF LOL. 500 DOLLARS??//11//11//1....... well would having the M just A LITTLE unclear count as obscured?.... shit thats bad LOL. and what would the minor defect notice be for? front parkers?... oh shit =[

[howy]

don't be too scared...

they hardly defect you anyway. our cars look new so having some different lights is ok.

the stock lexus is250 has white/bluish licence plate lights, and just then when i was picking my gf up from work 1 bus had normal licence plate lights but you can hardly see the middle section of the plate.

another bus musta had blown his licence plate lights... so yeh.

depends on the cop i suppose.

[akaiEG5]

Brescia (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=1926) how did you get the fog lights yellow??

did you paint them your self? looks nice wanna do it~~~

[aero]

dont think they were 'painted lol'. looks like that that kind of tint that goes over the glass. couple of guys here in bris want to get that kinda of yellow tint over their FD foggies. so i'd also like to know where u got it? :p

[NZFD2]

.k.: are you going to write up the DIY for the parker bulb change? I'm definitely keen on them, esp regardign the overflow

[black8thgen]

aero: the yellow tint is from a trader here ---> touge tune - laminex tint films or something like that, check it out, theres a GB or something up atm that .k. was interested in i believe

[.k.]

yes nzfd2 but procastination + being uber sick is keeping it on hold.. sorry i dont have much to say about the rad overflow except how i did it and im sure there is an easier way. Only took me about 5-10 minutes to get the bottle back in so is that a decent time or what? Mechanics out there prolly laughing their heads off haha

[black8thgen]

the bottle takes me 30min.. no shit. i get so frustrated, i even puleld the plastic lining on the side of the engine bay off to give more room. all it did was scratch my arm lol =.=.. then when it goes in.. its a big fluke lol..

[.k.]

haha im guessing waht i did helps then eh? i unscrewed the lid to give me a bit more manouverability (sp)..

btw what does everyone think of these wheels?! I want themmmmm
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=714338
Front is 17x7; Rears are 17x8 and offset is +37 ..

[hisoka]

bro if you get those wheels, i will bow down.........and steal them lol~ that will look so hot. get them before someone else does

[ekdez]

only my opinion.. i dont like them.
reason, spokes are too small compared to the bulk of our car.. plus they 17's :\

but then again i could be wrong. do it you like them.

[NZFD2]

yes nzfd2 but procastination + being uber sick is keeping it on hold.. sorry i dont have much to say about the rad overflow except how i did it and im sure there is an easier way. Only took me about 5-10 minutes to get the bottle back in so is that a decent time or what? Mechanics out there prolly laughing their heads off haha

no prob dude :D hope you get better soon.

[eeKayFouR]

khoi, just get them asap. You're steelies are disrespecting my family (hardparking at the front of my house all day long) :p + they look hawt haha

[hisoka]

khoi, just get them asap. You're steelies are disrespecting my family :p + they look hawt haha

i swear he put the steelies on purpose to make it look like spoon wheels at night time when his driving lol~. i did that on my first honda i think hahaha. mad

[black8thgen]

LMFAO!!!!!

anywaysss personally its not my type (spokes like ekdez said) but the blue lip would be HOT. do it! =]

[markCivicVti]

Love the blue stripe with he enkei logo etc... not crazy about the spoke design like every1 else.

[.k.]

yeh thats y i said it'd look better on a small car but meh.. im gonna lowball him and if all goes well they'll be mine

[ekdez]

someone should buy these LOl

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111651

those seats are hot. if it was all black i'd have bought them straight up.

johnnyfd who wanted the buddyclub ones.. chekc it out

[.k.]

dayumm they look nice.. how much u get ur bc coilovers for btw ekdez?

quick chop of the enkei rp01 w/ blue lip?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/51MPL/qucikrp01chop.jpg

what do ppl think? yes the spokes are a lil small but..

[howy]

too small for my liking.

[warwick108]

THATS WHAT SHE SAID.. ZZIIIIIINNNNGGGG.... lol

[.k.]

3rd degree burnss ouchhhhhhhhh.. hehe :) fall back to plan a then.. or maybe b =P

[cracker]

THATS WHAT SHE SAID.. ZZIIIIIINNNNGGGG.... lol

rof..ROF...ROF!!! ROFL OVERLOAD!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thum bsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thum bsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[JOhnnyFD]

someone should buy these LOl

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111651

those seats are hot. if it was all black i'd have bought them straight up.

johnnyfd who wanted the buddyclub ones.. chekc it out

omg, i saw these b4... havent bought my seats in yet, im gonna puttin on my sussys, sway bar and HID soon this weekend, im lik broke.. but yes, those typeR seats r sweet as.. but in melbourne :(

[Waternmo]

hey jonnyfd, what kinda sway bar did u buy for the FD? and how big and how much did u get em for?

[black8thgen]

what HID u get johnny?

[ekdez]

how much u get ur bc coilovers for btw ekdez?

$2400 price might have changed tho. RRP is like 2700

[Waternmo]

BC as in buddyclub or the china brand BC?

[ekdez]

buddyclub n+

[eeKayFouR]

ohk awsome, how u finding them? and what dampening rate u have it set on? not too stiff? hehehe

and when u coming back to bris watermo? hopefully if u and my 2 friends all commit to getting suspension from 999 we should be able to work out a good deal? cos all up we'll be spending a few k there..

[JOhnnyFD]

hey jonnyfd, what kinda sway bar did u buy for the FD? and how big and how much did u get em for?

cusco rear sway bar (23mm) for 370, came with brackets


what HID u get johnny?

kaixen 6000k HB3 and HB4

[Waternmo]

cusco rear sway bar (23mm) for 370, came with brackets

cool! do u mind me ask where about did u get it from? coz most places ar selling em for over 400 bucs...

i'll be back next week eeKayFouR, im sure adam will giv us a fairly good price if we do a group buy!!! but i'll probably wait awhile b4 gettin it tho, spent a fair bit while im in HK hehe, but i can help u guys gettin a good deal maybe, i've known adam for so long, even b4 he started workin at 999 LOL

[JOhnnyFD]

jdmconcept... think theyve sold out.. i took the last one.. lol

[markCivicVti]

"Last one in stock!!" - sounds like the typical sales pitch lol j/k

[JOhnnyFD]

haha nahh man... i bought it without knowing it was the last one

[curtis265]

^lol...

[FallenAngel]

jdmconcept... think theyve sold out.. i took the last one.. lol

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I wanted to buy one soon!! lol =[

Ah well no money just yet i'll wait for the next shipment :cool:

[JOhnnyFD]

someone should buy these LOl

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111651

those seats are hot. if it was all black i'd have bought them straight up.

johnnyfd who wanted the buddyclub ones.. chekc it out

these Bride GIAS Sport look pretty sic
http://www.nengun.com/bride/gias-sport-low-max

[howy]

these Bride GIAS Sport look pretty sic
http://www.nengun.com/bride/gias-sport-low-max

they definitely look the part, just that the price looks even better ;)

[JOhnnyFD]

and tat doesnt include rails

[JOhnnyFD]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I wanted to buy one soon!! lol =[

Ah well no money just yet i'll wait for the next shipment :cool:

Cusco rear sway bar (23mm)
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/JOhnnyFD1/R0010765.jpg

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/JOhnnyFD1/R0010767.jpg

[Waternmo]

cusco = quality, great stuff JOhnnyFD :thumbsup:

[ekdez]

these Bride GIAS Sport look pretty sic
http://www.nengun.com/bride/gias-sport-low-max

they are the ones i'll be saving for =] once all my gear goes on.

[ktvin09]

Guys a noob question, which product help best to stop body-roll when turning a corner? (even at speed as low as 25kph eg at a round about)

[ekdez]

the correct swaybars (both F&R) / suspension(coilover/springs/shock) set up

running a thick front and rear swaybar will be stiff and you might under steer, where as running nothing you feel body roll. but majority of the time you wont notice a real differance till you track your car.

swaybar for the better cheap option. but you cant go wrong with coilovers. height adjustable makes you feel more aerodynamic haha

[black8thgen]

sorry to take the topic off handling for a bit but..... anyone know of any places i can feed wires through from my engine bay into the drivers seat area or the passenger side area? like any holes or gaps we can feed through?

cheers

[FallenAngel]

agreed with ekdez, coils and sways (more the rear). Any particular reason why?

[black8thgen]

is that a question to my question? got some LEDs like ej's ones in his foggies area i need to wire up with a switch inside the cabin

[FallenAngel]

Sorry that was to Ktvin, i think its best to pm tim regarding the fogs

[black8thgen]

ah ok.. hmm. but i just wanna know are there any gaps or areas we can slide wires through from the engine bay into the cabin?

[ej20i]

is ur car auto or manual?
u mite aswell just do it thru the driver side man
u have a sound system?

[black8thgen]

auto car. where in the driver side though? nah not yet, but thinking of getting one lol.. but for the mean time just needa find out cos i got some LEDs i wanna install.

[ej20i]

ummm u shuld have a hole up above where a clutch cable should be at...since urs is an auto, there shud be either a grommet or a metal plate...just drill it mate

[black8thgen]

uhm.. imnot so experienced with where a clutch cable should be at? drivers side or passenegrs side?

[JOhnnyFD]

they are the ones i'll be saving for =] once all my gear goes on.

ye, got my eyes set on these bride seats rather than the bucket buddyclubs, these r reclineable :thumbsup:

[ej20i]

driver side my fren, the pedal next to the brake!!on the left hand side of the brake!!well for a manual car that is

[black8thgen]

oh so the cable is actually up there? lol.. soo there shud be a grommet or plate there where i can drill into? ahh sweet. cheers for the help mate =D.

[ktvin09]

thanks for the info re sway bars guys.

To black8thgen, you can try running the cables from top left side of engine bay (facing the front of the car), the cables actually run right above the driver side wheel arc, very tricky but am sure you can figure it out.

Inside the car on the driver side, there is a thumb size hole some where behind the fuse box (which is to the right of the accelerator paddel, you need to pull out that plastic cover). You won't be able to see it because it sits so deep inside, but if you put your hand in there with alot of patient you will find it with your finger. Have a mate feed a thin cable down first, and you put a finger down there and try to "grab" it, very tricky but safer than drilling. Then tie the thin cable to whatever cables you want and pull them through the arc and the hole. Very confusing i know but you gotta try it to understand... hope this help.

[black8thgen]

ahhhh. yeah thanks buddy ill definately give that a go =D.

[aero]

thanks for the info re sway bars guys.

To black8thgen, you can try running the cables from top left side of engine bay (facing the front of the car), the cables actually run right above the driver side wheel arc, very tricky but am sure you can figure it out.

Inside the car on the driver side, there is a thumb size hole some where behind the fuse box (which is to the right of the accelerator paddel, you need to pull out that plastic cover). You won't be able to see it because it sits so deep inside, but if you put your hand in there with alot of patient you will find it with your finger. Have a mate feed a thin cable down first, and you put a finger down there and try to "grab" it, very tricky but safer than drilling. Then tie the thin cable to whatever cables you want and pull them through the arc and the hole. Very confusing i know but you gotta try it to understand... hope this help.

+1 on that. that's pretty much the same route for when my friend and i did the wiring for my foglights. it comes in through the lil hole near the fuse box and up to the panel (or hole just beneath the select/reset mileage button is) to where my foglight switch is.

[.k.]

do u guys have pics of this hole? might help when i get my foggies lol

ps - i left my phone at home, thinking of getting some stickers made 2moro wanna come leo?

[Waternmo]

got sprint booster installed today! extremely happy with the result, might get a little too sensitive when accelerating from stop, but its not a worry, just needa get used to step on the pedal a little bit softer... but anything from 2nd gear is great, u feel the torque comes earlier...

[JOhnnyFD]

installed cusco rear sway bar and tanabe sustec pro-nf.. its lowered.. we'll give a review later on and pics up sometime this week when i get the chance.

note-to-self: pump up tyres, clean car lol

[.k.]

u back in bris yet watermo?

[Waternmo]

YES IM BACK lol, finally can put the parts onto the car! Mugen visor installed too, took me ages to rip those window seals rubber down n get those clips inside -_- will probably install the HID sumtime tmr

[.k.]

awsome lol! so we can finally meet? haha - mind if leo and i tag along to see how bright the hids are, i might be changing over to them

[Waternmo]

yea sure! i'll let u guys kno once i hav them installed!

[black8thgen]

install that panel filter!!!! =D. want some cmoments about it =]

[.k.]

ok found a few random things today:

Simota Intake - $150 melb http://firesport.com.au/honda-civic-fd-2006-on-air-turbo-boost--ad133156.htm

fd carbon bonnet - http://firesport.com.au/honda-civic-fd-tunez-carbon-turbo-boost--ad133027.htm $899

Front / Rear strut bars 100/90 - http://firesport.com.au/brand-new-honda-civic-strut-turbo-boost--ad133355.htm

[laju]

Front / Rear strut bars 100/90 - http://firesport.com.au/brand-new-honda-civic-strut-turbo-boost--ad133355.htm


Looks like he's selling the same one here but for more..

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=3721

If he's legit, 100 is cheap for front strut bar

[vman]

Got a Mugen wing installed on my White FD2 Sport - no kit... still looks nice.

[howy]

Got a Mugen wing installed on my White FD2 Sport - no kit... still looks nice.

pics!

[.k.]

yeah i'm thinking of getting one, i'll get into contact with him and see if he'll post to bris :)

[ekdez]

thats an ugly vent on the bonnet.

[.k.]

fk oaath lol its so central and waiide

[black8thgen]

just put in a supercat hotdog resonator to replace the huge stock one. sweet sound =D

[ktvin09]

what's a "supercat hotdog resonator" man, any pics/links? cheers!

[black8thgen]

dont think theres any links of it on the net. its just an aftermarket resonator (hotdog style) - the canister is smaller than the stock one so the sound resonates off the walls more and yea becomes louder lol. Sounds so sweet, louder than before and still maintaining the deep rumble of the xforce muffler =D. only down side is that i feel a lack of responsiveness now.. i didn't think the resonator would do this but.. theres a tiny bit of lag around 30-50 km/h.. so between 1st to 2nd gear, and 2nd to 3rd gear (on an auto) i feel a bit of lag on the accelerator paddle to the engine... just experiencing some delayed responsiveness =[.. anyone know why this is? Or if its gonna get better once the whole system settles in again?

[ej20i]

ummm y didnt u just remove it?i removed mine and i love the sound of it, im using exforce twin loop and it POPs!hhahahaha

[black8thgen]

remove it and replace with jus a straight pipe? yea i was gna do that but i thought id jus try the resonator first, i love the sound though lol. just hating this lack of responsiveness.. do u know why its like that?

[ekdez]

when your car pops means your car is running rich. i believe

[black8thgen]

whats running rich? =/...

[cracker]

i thought thats because the resonator isnt resonating the sound?