High performance timing belt?

[Luke Accord]

Hi all, Getting my skunk2 stage 1 cams in soon with new retainers and springs do I need to get a high performance timing belt put in as well?
Any advice will be helpful.
Thanks.

[94vtirozguy]

Greddy have one, and there are a few other manufacturers

[Slaz]

If your dialing in your cams and looking to get the most out of them then its a good idea, stock belts are good but the Toda, Greddy ones ect, are less prone to stretching over time therefore ensuring your cams and their timing stay where they were set longer.

[DLO01]

You don't 'need' one but I would get one to complete the package.

Toda. :thumbsup:

[DynoDave]

Hi all, Getting my skunk2 stage 1 cams in soon with new retainers and springs do I need to get a high performance timing belt put in as well?
Any advice will be helpful.
Thanks.
Honda OEM the BEST Hi Performance timing belt you will ever buy dont waste your money on the JDM BLING crap.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Luke Accord]

Honda OEM the BEST Hi Performance timing belt you will ever buy dont waste your money on the JDM BLING crap.
Regards Dyno Dave

Thanks Dave i have been told by a couple of people that i needed to do it and a couple said that i didn't so now i have definite answer.
Also how are the headers you were making for the h22a going? I'm pretty keen to get a set.

[DynoDave]

Thanks Dave i have been told by a couple of people that i needed to do it and a couple said that i didn't so now i have definite answer.
Also how are the headers you were making for the h22a going? I'm pretty keen to get a set.
They will be out within 4 weeks just need to finish the jig and get some sets made up ready to ship out.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Luke Accord]

Cool. Can you pm me a price shipped to melb and any dyno numbers if you have them. Also will they have a flex pipe?

[ginganggooly]

My mate has had two of the Toda belts split now... i wouldn't be comfortable with one.

[bennjamin]

like most parts , OEM honda parts are better quality even under "performance" load.

[Luke Accord]

^^^ Thanks for the advice guys.

[Slaz]

Id hardly call them JDM Bling, if they were of no advantage then they wouldnt be fitted to motors that demand more of them then normal OEM applications.

They are made of better materials and dont stretch as much as OEM Items therefore keeping timing correct alot longer then a OEM Belt, but your right Ben, OEM Honda parts are of excellent quality and often take alot more punishment with no failure then they were designed for.

When you say split Gin, i assume you mean along the belt as apposed to snapping??

[ginganggooly]

Id hardly call them JDM Bling, if they were of no advantage then they wouldnt be fitted to motors that demand more of them then normal OEM applications.

They are made of better materials and dont stretch as much as OEM Items therefore keeping timing correct alot longer then a OEM Belt, but your right Ben, OEM Honda parts are of excellent quality and often take alot more punishment with no failure then they were designed for.

When you say split Gin, i assume you mean along the belt as apposed to snapping??

I know a few race cars running around on OEM belts- without any dramas. I really don't see much value in the extra $$ for the toda item, when OEM does the job.

Correct about the split, one belt became two belts :)
Maybe the mechanic put too much tension in it...?
Regardless he's been running OEM for a while now without fault (installed by the same mechanic).

[Slaz]

A new belt be it a OEM or after market are going to perform as they should, the point here is that the kevlar used in the other belts wont wear as quickly and anything installed incorrectly will fail prematurely.

Race cars and their engines also tend to have constant work and development in the tuning and maintenance dept so the preventative maintenance performed and frequent re tunes would keep a failure to a minimum regardless of belt used.

Each to their own but in my experience seeing cam timing moving due to stretch more on OEM's then after markets, i choose to run one, not to mention the piece of mind when running heavier springs, bigger cams, more revs ect and having my cam timing stay where it should be for a longer period of time to ensure maximum power, idle quality, fuel economy, amongst other things i can justify the extra cost between them.

[TODA AU]

Contrary to what you may have been said in this post, our timing belts are considerably better than the OEM Honda belts.
The reason for their existance is to provide a belt that is suitable for use at elevated rpm & increased belt loads
(Up rated springs & high lift cams).
Under these conditions, the factory belt was found to suffer from stretch degredation.
This resulted in inaccurate valve timing as well as reduced durability.
The TODA High power timing belt is produced to specifically address this problem.

Vs a standard timing belt,
A TODA High Power timing belt has the following properties.
3.5 to 4 times greater resistance to cutting
2.5 to 3 times better heat resistance
3.0 to 4 times better tooth integrity
2.5 to 3 times greater resistance to abrasion

These properties can be tested (destructive testing vs std belt)

As for talk of two of our belts failing with a split,
To split a belt, you need to damage it. Either via a foriegn object entering the belt area or through instalation error.
In either case, having not been notified of this or any warranty claims.
*bennjamin edit no need*

Regards

Adrian

[bennjamin]

guys , keep the bickering to pm or just out of Ozhonda all together.

We are asking about a PRODUCT not a person or business here.


Hi all, Getting my skunk2 stage 1 cams in soon with new retainers and springs do I need to get a high performance timing belt put in as well?
Any advice will be helpful.
Thanks.
BTW anyone have some realtime experience with TODA or any other aftermarket belts ?

[Slaz]

Not bickering or referring to a business or product in particular as all the after market belts id say would be made of similar materials ect, but i think Toda due to R & D in general and with the amount of race lease engines they pump out in Japan, they are tried and tested so to speak.

In my opinion there parts more often then not are made better and alot more testing has gone into their products in general.

Besides if you have a OEM belt fitted where ever running bigger cams and heavier springs and it fails, think your going to get anywhere with Honda, regardless of incorrect install or material failure or have a Toda belt fitted by someone approved, and it fails, sure they will be more inclined to come to the party with the damage caused.

This is all my opinion of coarse and as far as experience goes, seen the results on turbo and N/A engines with stock belts experience alot more stretch then Toda items and needing cam timing redone to compensate for the stretch ( havnt used or seen the performance of others ) and ive never heard or seen one fail so i was interested to know how GinGan's mate managed to have 2 of them fail.

All my engines have uprated valve trains and Toda belts on them for these reasons.

[online]

I have never used one on any of Turbo 9.0 passes or any of my AllMotor 10.8 passes, my OEM has never stretched, stick with OEM, you know the quality is always there. Thats my opinion..

Jim

[Luke Accord]

^^Thanks for your advice mate it's good to hear from people who have actually had experience in the field.
Cheers.

[fatboyz39]

Oem Ftw...

[Luke Accord]

^^Cheers.

[Slaz]

How many hrs would your drag motors see between pull downs Jim, or could you put a Km figure on that roughly?

[online]

How many hrs would your drag motors see between pull downs Jim, or could you put a Km figure on that roughly?

We may pull a motor down after a dynotune to have a look what it's doing but sometimes may go a few meetings before we look it, all depends on what power the thing is producing.. I have never have to freshen up a engine until the end of a season.

Jim