Keep my DC2R or EGK20A?

[Lossehelin]

Well guy I've been thinking whether i should keep my DC2R or not... I've been thinking to get an EG and do some sort of K swap but i'm not quiet sure on what i should do.

The EG may cost more but it will most likely see the road more than my dc2r... my dc2r sees the road maybe once a week and i keep spending money on the car :/

opinions?

[xtat1k]

in my opinion, i would keep the dc2r because it looks way better and plus why not just do a k swap in the dc2r ! looks better and goes harder. :thumbsup:

[stephen8512]

DC2R hands down for me
forced induction maybe?

[Lossehelin]

hm... i'd prefer to stay n/a... i'm looking at getting bc spec 4 cams and itbs and mayebe even ctr pistons, do you think its worth doing all that ? at one point i even considered selling the dc2r for a mx5 :/

[JasonGilholme]

i'd just spend that money on a turbo kit. You'll end up going ALOT faster and won't spend much more then what you would on those cams, pistons and ITBs.

[STTICH]

any reason why would the potential EG see more of the road than ur current dc2r?

if u have the habit of babying and not driving ur current car, trust me, after u get the EG it will end up staying in garage most of the time too :)

[JDM.Power]

dc2r!
got any pictures of it? what colour is it ?

[blk_shadow]

I'd say keep your DC2R as well,
I prefer N/A too, its a noble challenge after you've achieved smthg thru N/A

everyone knows, thru boost, the power is already there. easy.

[fatboyz39]

Keep the Dc2R, much better car to drive.

As for mods, simple bolt-on I/H/E and a hondata plus tuning will net some good results.

[hinezz]

DC2R-K :thumbsup:

[DLO01]

in my opinion, i would keep the dc2r because it looks way better and plus why not just do a k swap in the dc2r ! looks better and goes harder. :thumbsup:


i'd just spend that money on a turbo kit. You'll end up going ALOT faster and won't spend much more then what you would on those cams, pistons and ITBs.


DC2R-K :thumbsup:

^^^ I am with these guys. :thumbsup:

[Pumped]

DC2R for sure :)

[xtercii]

Keep the Dc2R, much better car to drive.

As for mods, simple bolt-on I/H/E and a hondata plus tuning will net some good results.

That’s the way, I personally don’t find powerful fwd to be very pleasant to drive, especially when they are turboed.

[[RSX 03]]

keep the dc2r & make it perform at the same level as EGk20A

[IZY-10]

not worth the hassel of getting a clean eg then custom fitting the k20 into it, getting it engineered, upgrading the brakes, sourcing the half cut and for what? a car that is a little bit quiker than your dc2r!

[Waggy]

Take a look at Deano's car in the Appearance thread (yellow DC2R - DLO01). That's how you do a DC2R right.

Stock engine + boost ftw. 200kw atw is perfectly attainable, as Dean shows - and from what I've heard, his car is stoopid fast.

[destrukshn]

300kw on a st honda is stupid fast.
200kw on a st honda is fun sr20 killing fast.
lol.

[qstoria]

take out and sell the b18c7 in your dc2r. put that cash towards buying item 3 from this: (or something similar)

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70744

and put it in your dc2r :)



not worth the hassel of getting a clean eg then custom fitting the k20 into it, getting it engineered, upgrading the brakes, sourcing the half cut and for what? a car that is a little bit quiker than your dc2r!


it wont be slightly faster. plus if you then use hondata k100/kpro it will be a lot faster. shouldnt need to be engineered in a dc2r as the displacement increase is less than 25% from memory i think its something like that. correct if im wrong

[jords]

Dc2r is a much better chasis and has more than enough power......if money is not an issue then do it, however I have seen many EG/EK's with ITR or K conversions, you need to ask yourself, for the money spent is there that much gained over a Dc2r???

[Kawasaki]

not worth the hassel of getting a clean eg then custom fitting the k20 into it, getting it engineered, upgrading the brakes, sourcing the half cut and for what? a car that is a little bit quiker than your dc2r!

not a little bit faster, try alot faster :)

[Q_ball]

300kw on a st honda is stupid fast.
200kw on a st honda is fun sr20 killing fast.
lol.

200kw on a street Honda = Nissan Killer ;)

/puts on flame suit.

[Lossehelin]

i drive a cw dc2r... the car is purely a weekend car and it is babied a lot so it hardly sees the road

the eg civic would most likely see the road more but then it'd have a k20 in it which may be another reason for me to keep babying the car :/

[IZY-10]

not a little bit faster, try alot faster :)

by one second:thumbsup:

[ricki_kalsi]

DC2R... Keep it. If anything, go for a K20A, and stay NA.

After all NA>FI. IMO Turbo is cheating, It's too easy to get power. Personally I'd just work the B18C. It's more of a Fun, and raw motor, and suits the DC2R chassis feel. I think K20's are a extremely boring motor, although they are torquey. Ofcourse a heavily worked B18C isn't going to be as reliable as a morderately tuned K20, but if you not guna be driving it much, I think it'll be the better/funner option.

[hinezz]

DC2R... Keep it. If anything, go for a K20A, and stay NA.

After all NA>FI. IMO Turbo is cheating, It's too easy to get power. Personally I'd just work the B18C. It's more of a Fun, and raw motor, and suits the DC2R chassis feel. I think K20's are a extremely boring motor, although they are torquey. Ofcourse a heavily worked B18C isn't going to be as reliable as a morderately tuned K20, but if you not guna be driving it much, I think it'll be the better/funner option.
I'l give u a ride in my k-series wen its done. Then decide for yourself if its "extremely" boring, or jst "extreme" ;) :thumbsup:

[ricki_kalsi]

LOL... nah I know it's fun cos it's fast. But it's not raw enough. It's not what a real Type R motor should feel like IMO. hehe.

[hinezz]

LOL... nah I know it's fun cos it's fast. But it's not raw enough. It's not what a real Type R motor should feel like IMO. hehe.
i guess ur rite..in the end its the feeling which counts, in dis case u like "raw" LOL!:p i prefer mine well done!

[DLO01]

My Type R motor loves boost pushing in to her.

Revs her **** off.

Loves it.


^^^ Oh, thats quite sexy hey?

But yeh, its what you like/want. :thumbsup:

[hinezz]

My Type R motor loves boost pushing in to her.

Revs her **** off.

Loves it.


^^^ Oh, thats quite sexy hey?

But yeh, its what you like/want. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: its all abt the feeling! :cool: n/a guys woudnt knw hw we FI boys feel! LOL!

[barefootbonzai]

LMAO, have any of you giving advice even driven a k-swapped EG?

All these guys talk like that know, i think not unless you've driven both can you really give a fair opinion.

to OP, it's really want you want in a car at the end of the day, everyone has different opinions on looks, but as for performance K>B.

[EG30]

For, definately the EG-K.

People tend to swear by whatever car they are currently driving/aspire to driving.

That's why I like the EG as it's an underdog and more stealth with a more lovable appearance even though the DC2R is technically much better car from the factory with the body stiffening all done at the factory.

We bought the DC2R last year as it would have been much cheaper than retrofitting the type R gear into my exisiting EG. But as competent as a package the Dc2R is and the car is everybit as good as ppl say it is I still can't fall in love with it.

So I'm getting my EG converted with a B16A to start off with and doing up the B18C7 motor in our DC2R slowly. When the time is right for us to get the DC2R K converted by someone in the Eastern states in a few years time the B18C7 tuned engine setup would then bolt straight into my EG which I intend to keep in the long run.

An EG with a good K swap along with that 6 spd would be very awesome, potentially the ultimate sleeper from hell if you keep the appearance understated. The trouble I find with the DC2R is that ppl with turbo Nissans and WRXs know what it is and tend you provoke you on the road whichever they can as they know the DC2R has no answer to them esp in a rolling situation when they have the run on you from behind. In the EG they never bother as they think it's a EG breeze and tend to leave you alone.

[ricki_kalsi]

"DC2R has no answer to them"???

Are you referring to standard nissan's and wrx's, if so, especially in a rolling start the DC2R defiantely does have an answer. Heavily modified WRX's and Nissan's is a different issue

[JasonGilholme]

Whats the point of having a descent motor and babying it all the time.

Let her warm up completely and give it a bit of stick everynow and then. Otherwise whats the point? might as well have a cxi civic with a faulty headgasket like everyone else. :thumbsup:

[xtercii]

The trouble I find with the DC2R is that ppl with turbo Nissans and WRXs know what it is and tend you provoke you on the road whichever they can as they know the DC2R has no answer to them esp in a rolling situation when they have the run on you from behind. In the EG they never bother as they think it's a EG breeze and tend to leave you alone.

hahaha that's exactly how I thought and that's why I didn't buy a dc2r, I knew it was gonna get picked on by turbos and v8s and not enough suprise factor.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

if your the type of person that buys and sells cars then i suggest keep the dc2r. No matter how much you spend on the EG at the end of the day its just a civic and will not be worth as much when it comes time to resell. just something to think about.

[JasonGilholme]

hahaha that's exactly how I thought and that's why I didn't buy a dc2r, I knew it was gonna get picked on by turbos and v8s and not enough suprise factor.

my b16 eg-crx runs with VN v8's and 180's no problems. door to door 1.6ltr power baby :p:p

[k20man]

where abouts are u located.. come for a drive in my EG K20A and i will let you make up your mind..

i use to have a dc2r and i prefer my EG K20A anyday..

it is so much fun and most people on the roads have no idea about how quick you are.. bye bye nissan..

[Chuckz]

i'd go for dc2R

[Lossehelin]

im in the bankstown area, you ?

[qstoria]

anyone wanna take me for a ride in a dc2r?.. in canberra

[xdannyx]

where abouts are u located.. come for a drive in my EG K20A and i will let you make up your mind..

i use to have a dc2r and i prefer my EG K20A anyday..

it is so much fun and most people on the roads have no idea about how quick you are.. bye bye nissan..

is that your ride in your photo? top one k20 eg that was in autosalon etc?

[PaZzMaN-R]

being a honda nut i would love to be able to sample all the little honda fruits in the garden. given your current situation i would advise you to look heavily into a egk20 then do it if your still not scared off by the whole process. just because the dc2r has such an awesome reputation it doesnt mean its for you.

it also comes down to what type of driving you do. if you going to go for a nice weekend drive down old pac, then keep the dc2r. cruise the highway buy a toyota. if your a traffic light warrior and only care about what others think of your car go turbo k20 in the integra. infact buy a nissan (runs and hides)

what do you like most about your current car? work on emphasizing what your love and improving what you dislike.

[panda[cRx]]

300kw on a st honda is stupid fast.
200kw on a st honda is fun sr20 killing fast.
lol.

300kw on a street fwd is wheelspin hilarity :wave:

[blk_shadow]

niiiiiceeeee...

[defect]

Havent been in a egk20 but if I had a choice between the two, EG-k ftw~!

[Phamburger]

This is bias cause I love the EG model.

SO EG-K20 for the win! Thats if you haven't spent cash on modding the dc2r already.

At the end of the day you'll have many people giving you heaps of different opinion but you have to decide. Its you that ultimately gonna have to live with it at the end of the day. Which car do u feel most passionate towards?

Regards,
David

[k20man]

is that your ride in your photo? top one k20 eg that was in autosalon etc?

yeh thats my car.. i bought it off top one about 1 yr ago, yeh it was at auto salon too

[kyobibi]

At the end of the day you'll have many people giving you heaps of different opinion but you have to decide. Its you that ultimately gonna have to live with it at the end of the day. Which car do u feel most passionate towards?


I agree with David here,
There is no way you can get anything out of asking a question like this on a Honda forum.
(Unless you asking "chromies or volks time attacks").

You're just going to have to make up your own mind.
You'll always get different opinions here :)

[sydteg21]

why don;t u sell your type r engine package and do a k serise swap

[fatboyz39]

I don't see why people to to K swaps from a b18c7? Spend that money on the B18c7 and you'll kill K series anyday. Remember its the total package. Close gear ratio, higher FD and abit more power it'll be the same as k20a.

[yakuza]

DC2R!!!

[ricki_kalsi]

I don't see why people to to K swaps from a b18c7? Spend that money on the B18c7 and you'll kill K series anyday. Remember its the total package. Close gear ratio, higher FD and abit more power it'll be the same as k20a.


Adrian@toda also said this. Cos the DC2R is lighter so it's easier to improve the power to weight ratio. But the K20A motor when worked is more reliable than the B-series.

But ne ways... B- series FTMFW!!!

[fishman]

Adrian@toda also said this. Cos the DC2R is lighter so it's easier to improve the power to weight ratio. But the K20A motor when worked is more reliable than the B-series.

But ne ways... B- series FTMFW!!!

that's y most of his customers with big budget b-series builds run mid 14's. :wave:

[ricki_kalsi]

Mid 14's quater mile?
Does Straight line speed matter? I'll be guessing that Toda's customer's cars are track preped. Meaning they'll have more Neg camber than drag cars, and less straight line traction and speed.

[fishman]

Mid 14's quater mile?
Does Straight line speed matter? I'll be guessing that Toda's customer's cars are track preped. Meaning they'll have more Neg camber than drag cars, and less straight line traction and speed.

yeah that's a classic excuse, i love it. My car is for track that's y it's slow. :)

[xtercii]

Adrian@toda also said this. Cos the DC2R is lighter so it's easier to improve the power to weight ratio. But the K20A motor when worked is more reliable than the B-series.

But ne ways... B- series FTMFW!!!


Why is a dc2r lighter than an EG? And if a built motor runs mid 14s then you might as well not building it and just focus on suspension???

[ricki_kalsi]

yeah that's a classic excuse, i love it. My car is for track that's y it's slow. :)


Ummm not an excuse man. Just a pure fact. I don't know if you watch best motoring, they had a section on it. And pretty much anyone on this forum can tell you suspention setting and correct tire choice is the key to fast times around a circuit or drag strip.

[ricki_kalsi]

Why is a dc2r lighter than an EG? And if a built motor runs mid 14s then you might as well not building it and just focus on suspension???

Sorry I was comparing DC2R chassis weight with that of the DC5R.

[fishman]

Ummm not an excuse man. Just a pure fact. I don't know if you watch best motoring, they had a section on it. And pretty much anyone on this forum can tell you suspention setting and correct tire choice is the key to fast times around a circuit or drag strip.

Yes it's true, but it's no excuse for dud engine builds. Other cars with stock engines that are also setup for circuit are pulling faster times both down the strip and around the track.

[Lowa]

Get a rotary

[10KRPM]

Sounds like fishman is not a fan of toda australia.

And nissan's or toyota's do not have to be heavily modified to beat a dc2r.....except for the noise...you arnt going as fast as you think you are.

Ive owned a dc2r and a S15. S15 FTW

[zco]

DC2R... Keep it. If anything, go for a K20A, and stay NA.

After all NA>FI. IMO Turbo is cheating, It's too easy to get power.

yeh. dont cheat.

[barefootbonzai]

honda's are slow full stop!

[nvmee]

b-b-b-b BUT I GOT A CIVIC thats like the fastest car out there in cabramatta. why else would every asian get one

[blk_shadow]

hondas are built not for straight line all out obviously, but the N/A on Hondas are remarkably built.

that's why they scraped the K23 turbo on the new RDX. cos lots of people apparently don't want a turbo acura/honda.

[jords]

Get a rotary

Thats the shit brother, a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup.

[Pumped]

that's why they scraped the K23 turbo on the new RDX. cos lots of people apparently don't want a turbo acura/honda.

Apparently

[connections]

dc2r or EG LOL....

obviously DC2R for sure looks 1000000000000 times better ...

[ricki_kalsi]

Yes it's true, but it's no excuse for dud engine builds. Other cars with stock engines that are also setup for circuit are pulling faster times both down the strip and around the track.

Could possible be the driver. Ever think of that? If you put tsychia in a stock EK4 and put say "yourself" in a turboed K20A in a stripped out EG, with perfect suspension set up... who do you think will win??

I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

[fishman]

My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

lmao, that's the most stupidest thing i've ever heard.

[[ricer]]

lmao, that's the most stupidest thing i've ever heard.

yeah man lol
why would u want a tune that only works at high RPM and you have less power then stock down low?

[BADHBT]

Thats the shit brother, a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup.


be carefull.
:wave:

[ginganggooly]

I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

Thats a fkn classic mate :D
Seriously, I'd be asking LOTS of questions if I lost power ANYWHERE in the rev band after paying for a tune.

[k20man]

Thats the shit brother, a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup.

haha yeh right.. i will race any $5000 rotary you got.. and prove you wrong

[fatboyz39]

I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

Does it feel like hitting full boost above 4000rpm?:eek:

Mate if the car got power it'll do good times at 1/4mile. Drag, circuit, whateva it'll do the times at 1/4mile. Too many excuses "my car is setup for F&*ken circuit, so what. our stock ITR with I/H/E 13.6 and again STOCK b20/ITR with I/H/E 13.4. My lil swift SETUP for circuit ran a F#$%ken 14.7 with F^&ken -3 camber ! mofo . If your engine is a nugget then accpet it and keep driving it on the circuit. IMHO ppl with built motors are too scared to take it to 1/4 mile casue the number might be embrassing comapred to stock motors :eek::eek::eek:.

[xtercii]

Could possible be the driver. Ever think of that? If you put tsychia in a stock EK4 and put say "yourself" in a turboed K20A in a stripped out EG, with perfect suspension set up... who do you think will win??

I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

why would you not use high range rmp on a drag? what sort of rpm you should be using when doing drags then?

[jords]

haha yeh right.. i will race any $5000 rotary you got.. and prove you wrong

Easy buddy, I had a series II Rx7 12a turbo that was completely stock and would run 12.6 s all day every day..........ask any rotary driver. Look in the back of any fast fours and rotarys magazine and see how many rotary powered vehicles are listed as the fastest.

If you want to race you have a choice of an LT celica with a 13b bridge port, RX4 13b turbo, series 5 rx7 13b turbo or, series 6 rx7 twin turbo type r (JDM)......let me know which you would prefer to race, because I know many of my mates would like to destroy you and your comments.

[fatboyz39]

true rotary are crazy fast.

[XcOn]

Easy buddy, I had a series II Rx7 12a turbo that was completely stock and would run 12.6 s all day every day..........ask any rotary driver. Look in the back of any fast fours and rotarys magazine and see how many rotary powered vehicles are listed as the fastest.

If you want to race you have a choice of an LT celica with a 13b bridge port, RX4 13b turbo, series 5 rx7 13b turbo or, series 6 rx7 twin turbo type r (JDM)......let me know which you would prefer to race, because I know many of my mates would like to destroy you and your comments.



are any of the cars listed above $5000 or under??

[xtercii]

he's talking about a 5000$$ built rotary motor, not the whole package...

[xdannyx]

yeh thats my car.. i bought it off top one about 1 yr ago, yeh it was at auto salon too

dam nice ride man.

and on the original topic, personally i'd prefer the eg with k series swap.

[ricki_kalsi]

LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys.

Just a question? How many of you hero's have actually tracked before, or own super quick drag cars, or how many of you guys own a car that doesn't have chromes or 18 inch wheels. LOL.

For those of you that track... who drops below 4000RPM on the track?

[Phamburger]

LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys.

Just a question? How many of you hero's have actually tracked before, or own super quick drag cars, or how many of you guys own a car that doesn't have chromes or 18 inch wheels. LOL.

For those of you that track... who drops below 4000RPM on the track?

"LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys."

Mate your comment is abit childish there. Drag racing is a form of motorsport that pros spend millions of dollars into developing and improving for the public. It isn't for pussys and if you were abit more open minded you would appreciate a wide variety motor racing.

The blokes that are replying to ur comments love all aspect of racing from Drag to circuit etc. Your the one who's very closed minded to the idea of a car having bottom end power and his straight line powers. Either that or your too stubborn to realize you've dug yourself a hole and its getting deeper and deeper.

Read through your previous comments... If you look at it from an objective point of view you'll know what i mean :).

Regard,
David

[ginganggooly]

LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys.

Just a question? How many of you hero's have actually tracked before, or own super quick drag cars, or how many of you guys own a car that doesn't have chromes or 18 inch wheels. LOL.

For those of you that track... who drops below 4000RPM on the track?

HAHAHAHA

So you've got a nugget motor with no bottom end and suddenly you're a fvkn circuit racing authority??
Ignorance is bliss my friend :thumbsup:

[ricki_kalsi]

LOL you guys are funny.

[gReY-oNe]

LOL you guys are funny.

:confused: how so ?

[dupac->]

hahahha

[ricki_kalsi]

Just are... don't worry.

I see people come on here and give their honest opinions, and on other forums, opinions are valued, and not crapped out. That's how you guys are funny. I think this forum is funny. That is all.

[ginganggooly]

Just are... don't worry.

I see people come on here and give their honest opinions, and on other forums, opinions are valued, and not crapped out. That's how you guys are funny. I think this forum is funny. That is all.

Opinions are like arseholes. Additionally, if they aren't justified, they carry about as much merit.

[barefootbonzai]

Just are... don't worry.

I see people come on here and give their honest opinions, and on other forums, opinions are valued, and not crapped out. That's how you guys are funny. I think this forum is funny. That is all.

Go back and read what you wrote. None of it makes any sense what so ever, sounds like you're in self denial.

[blk_shadow]

Just are... don't worry.

I see people come on here and give their honest opinions, and on other forums, opinions are valued, and not crapped out. That's how you guys are funny. I think this forum is funny. That is all.

THERE are ways in communicating your thoughts by not making bad of other things.
if you don't like about one thing, just don't talk about it. talk about the things you like, we don't mind. but saying things like "its for pussys" its not really opinion isn't it?

[IZY-10]

Man is isn't thread to try and help out the guy make his decision on eg or dc2r? why are you talking crap keep it to pm

[fatboyz39]

We do both drag and circuit. So you should stfu before you say anything.

We love both motorsports both have its pro and con. And for comment about dropping below 4000rpm, IDIOT!

[fatboyz39]

LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys.



Why ? cause your too ***en embrass to see what you could do? mid 14's with a built motor? LOSER

[jdmTYPE R]

Could possible be the driver. Ever think of that? If you put tsychia in a stock EK4 and put say "yourself" in a turboed K20A in a stripped out EG, with perfect suspension set up... who do you think will win??

I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.

i dont know how u drive your car but not having power all through the rev range is a shit car to drive might as well leave it stock...u can achieve good times from drag and track and power from all rev range with a good tuner and the same setup on the streets...


LOL I don't do drags. Straight lines are for pussys.

Just a question? How many of you hero's have actually tracked before, or own super quick drag cars, or how many of you guys own a car that doesn't have chromes or 18 inch wheels. LOL.

For those of you that track... who drops below 4000RPM on the track?
u dont do straight line coz u get blown away by a stock car...

[k20man]

Easy buddy, I had a series II Rx7 12a turbo that was completely stock and would run 12.6 s all day every day..........ask any rotary driver. Look in the back of any fast fours and rotarys magazine and see how many rotary powered vehicles are listed as the fastest.

If you want to race you have a choice of an LT celica with a 13b bridge port, RX4 13b turbo, series 5 rx7 13b turbo or, series 6 rx7 twin turbo type r (JDM)......let me know which you would prefer to race, because I know many of my mates would like to destroy you and your comments.



dude go back n read the quote, it says $5000 rotary.. some how i dont think any of those you listed are below $5000...
bring me any rotary worth $5000 and i WILL destroy them and your comments lol

thanks xcon

[shebangs]

Dc2r-t!

[Lossehelin]

thanks for the opinions guys... i think i'll be keeping the dc2r for another year or so. the costs and time for an eg k-series build seems a bit expensive to get the car where i want (brakes, suspension, etc).

also... my mate ran a 14.6 on a stock dc2r which i think is a great time for a stocker. plus drags, circuit... it all involves driving and its all enjoyable. as if u've never "dragged" some off from the lights, i bet everyone has done it at least once on these forums. theres also the bunch who enjoy the spirited drive down the old roads. both driving style all includes skills, some may be really good at launches/shifts down at the 1/4 and when it comes to windy roads they have some trouble and vice versa. but that "straightlines are for pussys" comment was a bit uncalled for :/ not having a go at you ricky!

[ginganggooly]

Back on topic- If i had a stock-ish dc2r, I'd change the exhaust, header, intake ECU and call it a day.

It's a fabulous package from the factory, it doesn't really need anything else, and these mods alone are enough to get it deep into the 13's.

[jords]

dude go back n read the quote, it says $5000 rotary.. some how i dont think any of those you listed are below $5000...
bring me any rotary worth $5000 and i WILL destroy them and your comments lol

thanks xcon

I meant $5000 engine set up dude.......seriously you cant deny the fact that an average rotary engine will smash you......and how much is your K conversion going to cost approx $13000, for that kind of cash you can produce a 9-10 sec rotary, or better..........not 12-13's which I assume you would be more than happy to do.

I'm not knocking your enthusiasm for your Honda's as we all love them, if your keen to do a conversion then its all good, just don't put shit on something cause you believe what you have done/doing is the best.

[k20man]

I meant $5000 engine set up dude.......seriously you cant deny the fact that an average rotary engine will smash you......and how much is your K conversion going to cost approx $13000, for that kind of cash you can produce a 9-10 sec rotary, or better..........not 12-13's which I assume you would be more than happy to do.

I'm not knocking your enthusiasm for your Honda's as we all love them, if your keen to do a conversion then its all good, just don't put shit on something cause you believe what you have done/doing is the best.

so you change your story around.. first you say $5000 rotary then you change your story around to SPENDING $5000 on just the motor.. get your story straight..
im not bagging rotarys.. i dont mind them.. but when you make a comment like any $5000 rotary will beat any K-series conversion and B-series turbo.. i wanted to prove you wrong..

and whats that about ANY rotary engine smashing me?? i beat will and have beaten many stock/average rx7 series 6..
and when did i say my conversion was the best.. dont put words in my mouth.. i challenged your comment and that was all..

[jooboo]

k20man have u run ur car at WSID? what time did u pull

[16CTEG]

Back on topic- If i had a stock-ish dc2r, I'd change the exhaust, header, intake ECU and call it a day.

It's a fabulous package from the factory, it doesn't really need anything else, and these mods alone are enough to get it deep into the 13's.


I'm with ginganggooly!!!!

[kraiye]

i know jords post about $5000 rotaries may have been ambiguous but i understood what he meant... i thought it was quite obvious actually! so can you guys relax? Misunderstoo comment, nothing more. It's the internet, havent u ppl learnt yet to clarify things before doin a gasket over a forum comment?! IMO that's as lame as complaining about type-o's. lol.


Anyway... somewhere in the for sale section there's a k20/k24 frankenstein for sale. why not do something different and drop that in the DC2R. You'll be able to make some good cash back from selling your B18C stuff, and you also get to put some wow & surprise factor back into beating Nissans ;)
Just an idea. g/l with the decision :thumbsup:

[7ypeR]

DC2R for sure. Car will always hold better value than eg civic any day no matter wots done to the car. It looks sh*t loads better and atleast you can sell your b18cR for cash to put towards the k20 you want. ;)

[.::F[L]Y::.]

this thread is entertaining to say the least.

either circuit or drags both take skill to master. If your car is a true 'track' car then it should be able to do both. I dont see how one person made the commet ' straight lines are for pussy's'?? if its for pussys then how come i dont see people with there full sick jdm bling mods or there 10k+ rebuilds out at WSID on wednesday nights when we are there??

imo, end of the day if you got a 10k+ motor then you shouldnt make excuses like ' its for circuit' because for ffs you spent that much you should be out there giving it a thrashing of its life....no point driving around with so much jdm bling or full sick engines that sound good on paper for nothing, end of the day its just wank factor and your just a 'poser'

just my take on this...

[e240]

Y::.;1272587']No matter how much you spend on the EG at the end of the day its just a civic and will not be worth as much when it comes time to resell. just something to think about.


:unlove: Sob Sob

[kraiye]

hence the saying 'drive it like you stole it'
lol

[.::F[L]Y::.]

e240- hahaha leonard, love your EG though

[Zilli]

k20man have u run ur car at WSID? what time did u pull

This is one question i wouldnt mind answered either...

[k20man]

k20man have u run ur car at WSID? what time did u pull

best time the car has run to date is 13.2 @103mph

still got stock ecu and on street tyres...

[Zilli]

nice, so your kinda in stock ss commo territory....

[90LAN]

nice, so your kinda in stock ss commo territory....

that would be the new VE GTS/clubsport territory

i think these questions are a waste of time
why dont u just give the car to someone so they can make up your mind for you, either they will sell it or keep it
its your car make up your own mind what u wanna do with it
with these questions u will always get the two same answer
sell the dc2r and do the k swap eg or keep it
my 2 cents worth

[barefootbonzai]

woot woot moved to noob section

[hinezz]

Lmao!

[mr_vtec]

Y::.;1282730']this thread is entertaining to say the least.

either circuit or drags both take skill to master. If your car is a true 'track' car then it should be able to do both. I dont see how one person made the commet ' straight lines are for pussy's'?? if its for pussys then how come i dont see people with there full sick jdm bling mods or there 10k+ rebuilds out at WSID on wednesday nights when we are there??

imo, end of the day if you got a 10k+ motor then you shouldnt make excuses like ' its for circuit' because for ffs you spent that much you should be out there giving it a thrashing of its life....no point driving around with so much jdm bling or full sick engines that sound good on paper for nothing, end of the day its just wank factor and your just a 'poser'

just my take on this...


thats why john you see me drive my car like its ment to be driven...


but aye there is a k swapped dc2r out there and it has pulled very good numbers on the dyno cant wait to see it at the creek..


hassy

[riceball]

Thats the shit brother, a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup.

You should be really careful about what you are saying man. I respect the power of a rotary, but there are b series T out there that will leave a 5k rotary engine at the finish line. $5000 is a fair bit of money, however its not gonna get you a 10 sec car. Theres so much more that needs to be done other than just whacking on a bigger turbo and saying it will "munch" all K series and B turbos. We can prove you wrong if you would really like to.

As for the dc2r or egk20a. I've driven both and hell they are great cars. Fatboyz, Benson and Fly down in syd proved what a stock b18r in a dc2 can really do and hell it's damn impressive. So it really comes down to what you want to do with the engines. If you are looking a heavily modifying in the future than I suggest that you go with the K series. :thumbsup:

[bennjamin]

You should be really careful about what you are saying man. I respect the power of a rotary, but there are b series T out there that will leave a 5k rotary engine at the finish line. $5000 is a fair bit of money, however its not gonna get you a 10 sec car. Theres so much more that needs to be done other than just whacking on a bigger turbo and saying it will "munch" all K series and B turbos. We can prove you wrong if you would really like to.


To put it into perspective - put $5k into a rotor and $5k into a B series - you will have a winner and it will be a 1.2 or 1.3 :)

[riceball]

To put it into perspective - put $5k into a rotor and $5k into a B series - you will have a winner and it will be a 1.2 or 1.3 :)

Put 5k into a K series and the winner will be a 2.0 by far too.

[bennjamin]

Put 5k into a K series and the winner will be a 2.0 by far too.

lets assume both engines are in crappy cars ( IE old r100 etc and a EG/ED)
and you are correct :)

[riceball]

lets assume both engines are in crappy cars ( IE old r100 etc and a EG/ED)
and you are correct :)

agreed :wave:

Oh and the EG isnt a crappy car.

[Zilli]

ah ****in internet keyboard wars...

fought and won and lost by people who have no ****ing clue...

[jords]

Put 5k into a K series and the winner will be a 2.0 by far too.

So thats a K series conversion + a $5000 build.......thats a shit load of cash, you would want to be doing low 12's for that kind of cash. My point is that a rotary can and does pull very good times for the money spent.

i.e compared to V8's and 4 cylinders horsepower is cheap....

thats my last 5 cents.........

:thumbsup:

[riceball]

Now you're talking about how much a conversion would cost. Your initial post was regarding the engine itself. They are two different things if you haven't realized.

Your first point was any rotor with 5k spent on it's engine dominate all K series and B Turbos. Now you are talking about bang for buck. Not only this, you are talking about a completely different engine that doesn't even regard what the post starter has requested. Big help.

With an extra 5k on top of a K series engine you can basically fully build a whole new K series and be hitting low 12's. Or you could build a turbo kit with 5K and hit 11's.

Thats my 10 cents.

[hinezz]

So thats a K series conversion + a $5000 build.......thats a shit load of cash, you would want to be doing low 12's for that kind of cash. My point is that a rotary can and does pull very good times for the money spent.

i.e compared to V8's and 4 cylinders horsepower is cheap....

thats my last 5 cents.........

:thumbsup:
if every1 thought like u, then daewoos and hyundai's wud run around with 13b's :thumbsup:

[90LAN]

So thats a K series conversion + a $5000 build.......thats a shit load of cash, you would want to be doing low 12's for that kind of cash. My point is that a rotary can and does pull very good times for the money spent.

i.e compared to V8's and 4 cylinders horsepower is cheap....

thats my last 5 cents.........

:thumbsup:


yer rotarys make the power no doubt
but rotary's that have been modified dont have best reliability
like a honda and the rotary sound is not to every ones taste
once they have been modified!

[jords]

Now you're talking about how much a conversion would cost. Your initial post was regarding the engine itself. They are two different things if you haven't realized.

Your first point was any rotor with 5k spent on it's engine dominate all K series and B Turbos. Now you are talking about bang for buck. Not only this, you are talking about a completely different engine that doesn't even regard what the post starter has requested. Big help.

With an extra 5k on top of a K series engine you can basically fully build a whole new K series and be hitting low 12's. Or you could build a turbo kit with 5K and hit 11's.

Thats my 10 cents.

Yes Buddy....I am talking about how much a conversion would cost as the original question was regarding the K conversion and the pros and cons of this conversion and the cost is part of this, thats why this started out in the lounge so it was a free and open discussion open to ideas and thoughts.......

Lowa said to "buy a rotary" and I agreed, thats where the discussion turned to the power of rotary engines and the potential versus money spent. Its as simple as that.

By the way riceball, how many K conversions do you know of that run in the 6's and 7's.........................cause there are plenty of rotary powered vehicles that will run those times.

[jords]

yer rotarys make the power no doubt
but rotary's that have been modified dont have best reliability
like a honda and the rotary sound is not to every ones taste
once they have been modified!

I agree 90LAN, rotarys are not reliable, thats why I sold my series II and bought a Honda.

[riceball]

Lowa said to "buy a rotary" and I agreed, thats where the discussion turned to the power of rotary engines and the potential versus money spent. Its as simple as that.

This is where you went wrong. By just agreeing with someone and maybe stating that it would be a better bang for buck then fair enough. Thats fine, because its the truth. However, you went into detail about "a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup." This is where you need to grab a toilet roll and wipe your mouth because obviously you don't know what you are talking about.


By the way riceball, how many K conversions do you know of that run in the 6's and 7's.........................cause there are plenty of rotary powered vehicles that will run those times.

Lol. K series conversions have only become popular over the past few years. Many performance products have not even been made compared to that of other engines.

How about this. How many rotary engines have you seen lasted more than 200,000kms without a rebuild? Whos going to have spent more money in the end?

[kraiye]

200,000 k's is when ppl only start doin ghetto honda turbo installs :p

[Zilli]

what i want to know is what kind of idiot takes reliability into consideration when building a motor they want to race with? people stop comparing apples with oranges, obviously there are people on this site who wear Honda branded underwear and sleep with Asimo at night... pull your **** out of the little plastic crevice... they are two different DIFFERENT things... too much objectivity and variable... the Wankel Rotary motor is an amazing invention... so is VTEC...

i'd like to hear from someone who has owned a kswap and a rotary with 5k spent on it to give us their point of view, until then the back and forth in this thread is all wank...

[baeshin]

y did you digg up an old thread

[Zilli]

why are you making useless idiotic posts?

[rawr]

Reliability is an issue for some people as it is a daily driver.

VTEC allows their drivers to compete with rotaries at the same speed but allows them to have good driveability and not have an annoying WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP when at the lights.

A k swap would last far beyond 200,000ks without a rebuild. As long as its properly maintained. A rotary that is pushed day in day out wouldnt live to see the day of 100,000.

That being said petrol and oil also must be considered.

VTEC > rotary when it comes to power + driveability

Rotary > vtec when it comes to power

[NightKids]

I think rawr has just summed it up there.

Honda for reliability
Rotary for power

[kraiye]

geez guys... everyone got over this 6 months ago!
lol

[mr_vtec]

Reliability is an issue for some people as it is a daily driver.

VTEC allows their drivers to compete with rotaries at the same speed but allows them to have good driveability and not have an annoying WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP when at the lights.

A k swap would last far beyond 200,000ks without a rebuild. As long as its properly maintained. A rotary that is pushed day in day out wouldnt live to see the day of 100,000.

That being said petrol and oil also must be considered.

VTEC > rotary when it comes to power + driveability

Rotary > vtec when it comes to power

yea and no on that man..
u a noob about rotarys so dont stereotype lol..