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FN2TypeR

12-11-2007, 12:32 AM

^sorry not everyone here have to like your car
so dont give us shit , i also think its not really a real 'type R'

You don't have to like it but don't criticise it. Hey, at least it's better than what you got.

Type R = Type R irrespective of where and when it's made.

DC2R = Type R
DC5R = Type R
EP3R = Type R
FN2R = Type R
FD2R = Type R

They are all variants of a Type R. Saying its not 'real' is an insult to Honda engineers and researchers.

Lets be real here. If the so called "real" Type R came to Australia you or 98.5% of the people here wouldn't buy one anyway. Calling yourselves diehard fans and crying about getting a "watered down version" serves no justice if you're not willing to buy it. Oh, and test driving it doesn't constitute a "fan".

DC2R is an 8 year old car that's worth peanuts in monetary value.

FN2TypeR

12-11-2007, 12:43 AM

i just believe the real type r are dc2r and fd2r since those are the hardcore one.
but stuff like fn2r and euror they more just sport style.

however, i still personally love euroR and it is still my favorite type r even tho people say it's not real r

What is your definition of hardcore? The fact that it requires 100+ octane, gets from A to B in fractions of a millisecond quicker than the "sport style" cars? The fact that it lacks air conditioning and a stereo therefore it's a "pure-bred and thunderous racetrack demon"?

What, also, is people's definition of "real"? Is it the converse of a fake? I just find it rather silly how people create trivial facts out of thin air without supporting and compelling data.

mrwillz

12-11-2007, 01:16 AM

its down to what each driver likes. its great u enjoy the fn2.
i think u need to take critism about cars. after all its ppls opinions, and in the end as long as YOU the owner enjoys it.

have u driven any other type r other then the fn2? just out of curiousity

IAMVTEC

12-11-2007, 01:29 AM

I don't agree that Chinese dont like to drive hatchbacks.

Its just that Chinese don't like spending more on a hatchback than a sedan. Jazz price for a hatch? Yes. Type R price for a hatch? No.

IAMVTEC

12-11-2007, 01:30 AM

i just believe the real type r are dc2r and fd2r since those are the hardcore one.
but stuff like fn2r and euror they more just sport style.

however, i still personally love euroR and it is still my favorite type r even tho people say it's not real r

EuroR in my opinion is the worst type R out there. Its like having an Oddyssey type R or CRV type R.

6ary

12-11-2007, 01:48 AM

I don't agree that Chinese dont like to drive hatchbacks.

Its just that Chinese don't like spending more on a hatchback than a sedan. Jazz price for a hatch? Yes. Type R price for a hatch? No.

I'm chinese (not mainlander chinese) and i drive the FN2R, but i think its true that asians in general don't like to drive hatches

EuroR in my opinion is the worst type R out there. Its like having an Oddyssey type R or CRV type R.

Thats why its called the EURO-R and not a typeR, i think the euroR is a great car for what it is, cheaper than base model audis, mercs and bmws with arguably the same amount of comfort with more performance

6ary

12-11-2007, 01:53 AM

Was wondering as well if the owner of the milano red FN2R is a member here, the one that was beside me at the lights in caufield and I mentioned it was a nice car in a nice color

dmx

12-11-2007, 04:03 AM

What you mean it's not a real Type R? It's branded Type R, sold as Type R, marketed as Type R, registered as Type R, insured as Type R, hell it even has Type R badges inside and out.

Integras and Civics with fake Type R badges are non type Rs.

What you're referring to is that there are 2 civic type Rs. One is for the european/australian market and the other is for the asian market. Both are Type R's no matter what you think it is.

Your FD1 is what we call a non Type R.

And don't give me that "its not as hardcore or raw" crap.
what i'm said no offense to fn2r owner, just my 2cents
like merc E200 or S320, it's merc, sold as merc, registeres as merc,and bla bla bla, but for us, it's "shemale" :thumbdwn:

6ary

12-11-2007, 04:40 AM

what i'm said no offense to fn2r owner, just my 2cents
like merc E200 or S320, it's merc, sold as merc, registeres as merc,and bla bla bla, but for us, it's "shemale" :thumbdwn:

Anything merc is grandpa to me, except the SL series. (nice avatar btw.. *cough*)

aaronng

12-11-2007, 06:34 AM

EuroR in my opinion is the worst type R out there. Its like having an Oddyssey type R or CRV type R.

The EuroR isn't a Type R. :)

aaronng

12-11-2007, 06:35 AM

If these guys don't consider the FN2R a real Type R, I wonder if they consider the DC5R a Type R since it is very watered down compared to the original spec.

ennavoli

12-11-2007, 07:21 AM

You don't have to like it but don't criticise it. Hey, at least it's better than what you got.

Type R = Type R irrespective of where and when it's made.

DC2R = Type R
DC5R = Type R
EP3R = Type R
FN2R = Type R
FD2R = Type R

They are all variants of a Type R. Saying its not 'real' is an insult to Honda engineers and researchers.

Lets be real here. If the so called "real" Type R came to Australia you or 98.5% of the people here wouldn't buy one anyway. Calling yourselves diehard fans and crying about getting a "watered down version" serves no justice if you're not willing to buy it. Oh, and test driving it doesn't constitute a "fan".

DC2R is an 8 year old car that's worth peanuts in monetary value.

You left out the EK9.

To be fair, people are entitled to their own opinions, although I have to admit the FN2R is getting alot of unwanted bashing.

The FN2 is a type R, but not the track orientated type R japan always brought out. Perhaps this is the reason why people are giving it alot of stick, but as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side. If the FD2R made it here, it might not be the frequently talked about car anymore. People always like things they cannot get.

A car that is 8 years old does not mean it is worth peanuts, it depends on the condition of it and if a genuine DC2R had only 10K on its clock, I am sure it won't sell for peanuts. :)

Anyway, just enjoy your car and that's the most important.

Cheers. :thumbsup:

dzyn3

12-11-2007, 08:02 AM

too bad for those CTRR owners lol there was only 300 made.. it'd lose it value cos everyone will fit in a mugen kit on it

ginganggooly

12-11-2007, 08:06 AM

The FN2R is a real Type-R... I've come to that realisation now, and there is no point in arguing the fact.

However, this doesn't change the fact that the car is a POS. IMHO.

burma

12-11-2007, 08:35 AM

just less than a year ago ppl were so excited to get the FN2R.lol
the FN2R is a Type-R nodoubt. if you guys want Honda to develop cars like the DC2R nowadays, it wont sell because of the change in the market, and look at all the rivials who have all the luxury features along with the speed.
A type r with no aircon, reduced sound deadning, loud engine.....would be a joke, 90% of the ppl who buy one are alot older than ppl on this forum so they will expect a more subtle ride, comfortable etc...

As to the FD2R, i hope it makes it here but like someone said if they bring it after the new euro and jazz launch, ppl might lose interest.

UNLS1

12-11-2007, 08:41 AM

happy

12-11-2007, 08:44 AM

What you mean it's not a real Type R? It's branded Type R, sold as Type R, marketed as Type R, registered as Type R, insured as Type R, hell it even has Type R badges inside and out.

Integras and Civics with fake Type R badges are non type Rs.

What you're referring to is that there are 2 civic type Rs. One is for the european/australian market and the other is for the asian market. Both are Type R's no matter what you think it is.

Your FD1 is what we call a non Type R.

And don't give me that "its not as hardcore or raw" crap.

at least. DMX's FD got DC5 Brembo and Quad pipe ...lol

what i'm said no offense to fn2r owner, just my 2cents
like merc E200 or S320, it's merc, sold as merc, registeres as merc,and bla bla bla, but for us, it's "shemale" :thumbdwn:

d*** u,got new c-class ? said just looking for MPV ?

FN2TypeR

12-11-2007, 09:07 AM

Why is the DC2R loved by many on this forum and claimed to be the most "realest and hardcore" Type R? Because it's older, cheaper and affordable by most of those young members on OzHonda.

90% of the people here are 18-23 year old uni students or apprentices. Not that there is anything wrong with that as I was once a uni student myself, but I struggle to believe that if we do get the FD2R in Australia most of you would actually purchase it.

18-23 year old full time students and $50,000 - $60,000 for a car just doesn't logically correlate. You would not even have saved a quarter of that working at McDonalds or in telemarketing. Oh, and international students with rich mummy's and daddy's in Hong Kong, Taiwan, China or whatever is an exception - of course mummy and daddy will buy it for you.

I bet in 8 years time the market for an FN2R would be strong and all of a sudden guess what? It's a "real" Type R.

So in return for the criticisms, I believe, in my honest opinion, that both the DC2R and DC5R cars are pieces of shit. Just my four cents worth.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 09:21 AM

Why is the DC2R loved by many on this forum and claimed to be the most "realest and hardcore" Type R? Because it's older, cheaper and affordable by most of those young members on OzHonda.

Wrong. It's because when you compare a JDM spec DC2R to an AUDM spec DC2R, it is down only by 6kW and some minor suspension differences. When you look at the DC5R, the AUDM spec loses 17kW, Brembos and even gets smaller wheels.

ennavoli

12-11-2007, 09:25 AM

Wrong. It's because when you compare a JDM spec DC2R to an AUDM spec DC2R, it is down only by 6kW and some minor suspension differences. When you look at the DC5R, the AUDM spec loses 17kW, Brembos and even gets smaller wheels.

I believe the AUDM DC5R get slightly different suspension settings from the JDM as well? (E.g swaybar, spring rate etc)

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 09:42 AM

it also got to do to the fact that at the days of DC2R, it was the FF king on the market.

now, becos by sticking to the so called "type R philosophy", FN2R is lacking a bit in the performance sense.

also many ppl believes JDM = best while failing to realise that FN2R is designed for a completely different target market as the FD2R. it is a bit like the GT3 and the GT3 RS. the GT3 is less hardcore so it's not a real GT3 like the RS.......

in this market, a 40k car with only dual airbags and no climate control air, no audio system, super stiff ride and minimal features are hard to sell. just look at what you get from a Golf GTI instead.

In Europe, you can buy a stipped down version of FN2R (it's called Civic Type R Spec S) which weights less than a FD2R by around 40kg. but guess what? no one buys them while most ppl buy the top of the range cars with navi etc. it is just a reality that the market has moved on.

i think if Honda Aus ever brings in the FD2R, they should initially imports a limited batch and see if there is more demand.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 09:44 AM

The FN2R is a real Type-R... I've come to that realisation now, and there is no point in arguing the fact.

However, this doesn't change the fact that the car is a POS. IMHO.

just because FN2R is slower than FD2R then it's a POS?

if that's the case all older type r except NSXRs are POS too.

you might as well just say non JDM type R are POS. i think this is what you really mean??!!

aaronng

12-11-2007, 09:57 AM

i think if Honda Aus ever brings in the FD2R, they should initially imports a limited batch and see if there is more demand.
I reckon they should bring a few in as showroom or test drive cars and ship ordered cars in as required. That way, Honda Aus' overheads won't be as high.

ginganggooly

12-11-2007, 10:02 AM

just because FN2R is slower than FD2R then it's a POS?

if that's the case all older type r except NSXRs are POS too.

you might as well just say non JDM type R are POS. i think this is what you really mean??!!

All i can say is, if only things were so simple...
I drove the nugget on the weekend, and it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. A performance car this thing isn't.

Oh, and the ride isn't as bad as the press reckon. Great.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 10:25 AM

All i can say is, if only things were so simple...
I drove the nugget on the weekend, and it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. A performance car this thing isn't.

mmm fair enough.

i drove my fd's stock DC2R a few weeks ago (the 1st time i ever drove a DC2R) and it felt slower than a FN2R but it's more hardcore definitely.

anyone have times for AU DC2R and AU DC5R?

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 10:28 AM

I reckon they should bring a few in as showroom or test drive cars and ship ordered cars in as required. That way, Honda Aus' overheads won't be as high.

i dunno about cost of ADR and marketing but doing it this way seems like quite a big risk on losing $$. say if they have to pay those fixed costs and ended up selling only a few.

if they have a set number in a batch, at least they can priced the car accordingly.

ginganggooly

12-11-2007, 10:42 AM

mmm fair enough.

i drove my fd's stock DC2R a few weeks ago (the 1st time i ever drove a DC2R) and it felt slower than a FN2R but it's more hardcore definitely.

anyone have times for AU DC2R and AU DC5R?

I haven't driven a stock dc2r for a very long time, but i recall it impressing me with the shove (about 4 years ago), and i had a 14.3 sec vti-r at the time. Back to back, it felt to be about the same, or maybe even a tad quicker...

I still don't know of any FN2's at the drag strip, but i'd hazard a guess that they'd run a flat 15 to high 14...

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 10:53 AM

I still don't know of any FN2's at the drag strip, but i'd hazard a guess that they'd run a flat 15 to high 14...

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

ginganggooly

12-11-2007, 11:22 AM

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

Yep, high 14's-low 15's then :D

andyhui01

12-11-2007, 12:38 PM

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

The FN2R was designed by Honda's UK Division to place Hot Hatch into the market, if they do this... they need a well established name, hence they just slapped on a typeR badge instead of naming it a sporty civic to gain the attention of the Hot Hatch Buyers, most of them grew through the EK9 and DC2R era. Incase you didn't know, Europeans love Hot Hatches (Golf GTi, Astra SRiT, Megane Sport... etc).

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

I'm not saying the FN2R is a shit car... it drives a crap load better than a regular FD and is on par with many hot hatches on the market, but it isn't a fully bred typeR like how a typeR is meant to be. Remember, Hot Hatches are supposed to be quick, for zippy around country roads, but not on tracks.

If you asked me honestly, I would think the FN2R is not worthy of the real typeR badge if it was defined under the Japanese way.

FN2TypeR

12-11-2007, 12:58 PM

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

but it isn't a fully bred typeR like how a typeR is meant to be.

If you asked me honestly, I would think the FN2R is not worthy of the real typeR badge if it was defined under the Japanese way.

Prove it. Don't just say it. Opinions are meaningless if you can't support it.

What is the definition of the "japanese way"?

markCivicVti

12-11-2007, 01:11 PM

Alright... no opinions everybody. Apparently they are meaningless without a proper analysis of recorded data.

Opinions are meaningless if you can't support it.

Thats just your opinion!

IMO FD2R>FN2R>crap

So yeah... FN2R owners don't worry, you have nice cars, we want one yadda yadda yadda.

Nepolian

12-11-2007, 01:23 PM

You guys sit here and spill crap about how the FN2R is crap and FD2R is god almighty. Do you realise that if the FD2R did come to Aus? I honestly think none of you guy here would buy it!

Just accept the fact that the FN2R was made a "Type R" and deal with it. Just because it doesnt fit the criterior of a "Type R" 15 years ago does not make it a piece of shit nor does it make it any less of a Type R. Things change!!

These days the market is dominated by 40k - 50k cars and Honda have to be competitive.

Have any of you guys driven a Type R other than maybe a DC2R?? I bet not.

I however have driven a FD2R whilst I was in malaysia, and dead set, it is not all that you make it out to be. My stock EP3R would give it a run on the streets.

All comparisons are made at the track etc....fair enough. But remember howmany people go to the track for the FD2R to take its advantage??

IMO Honda did not bring the FD2R to Australia due to the fact that people who have 40K + to spend on a car would not buy it. And the dreamers who want to buy it is just that. If I was to buy a track car and had over 40Ks to spend, I'd buy a STI or EVO anyday.

I understand both sides of the argument, but stop crapping on the people who actually have FN2Rs they like it they buy it. Unfortunately for you slackers it is again a "Type R".

We are all enthusiasts of Hondas and share that, not bag each other. We dont go bagging so poor kid about his riced up breeze do we??

Thats my very big 2c worth!!

[RSX 03]

12-11-2007, 01:36 PM

The R stands for Racing.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 01:39 PM

I however have driven a FD2R whilst I was in malaysia, and dead set, it is not all that you make it out to be. My stock EP3R would give it a run on the streets.

so how does FD2R and EP3R compare? would love to know.

IMO Honda did not bring the FD2R to Australia due to the fact that people who have 40K + to spend on a car would not buy it. And the dreamers who want to buy it is just that. If I was to buy a track car and had over 40Ks to spend, I'd buy a STI or EVO anyday.

to be honest with you, if FD2r comes here i'd buy one if it's not much more expensive than FN2R. purely because it's 4drs as i have to drive around the kids. FN2 is acceptable as it's spacious but the extra doors would seal the deal.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 01:48 PM

mrwillz

12-11-2007, 01:48 PM

nepolian
dude no one is bagging anyone we're all honda here dude

just someppl will need to take criticism. AS LONG AS U LIKE WOT U GOT THEN THATS GOOD FOR U.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 01:48 PM

so how does FD2R and EP3R compare? would love to know.

to be honest with you, if FD2r comes here i'd buy one if it's not much more expensive than FN2R. purely because it's 4drs as i have to drive around the kids. FN2 is acceptable as it's spacious but the extra doors would seal the deal.
The suspension would probably be too stiff for your kids though...

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 01:56 PM

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

this is the Japanese philiosphy, which is quite different to that for European unfortunately or fortunately depends on how hard/soft you want your car to be.

the Euro EP3R was quite a different car to the JDM EP3R ie. no recaro, no LSD and less power. the FN2R just followed on from the euro spec EP3R.

Nepolian

12-11-2007, 01:58 PM

Stock for stock the FD2R is good. Its suspension is very tight, little bit tighter than the EP3's and the ride is hard. As in uncomfortably hard for everyday. Its just another Type R with a K20, thats it.

Dont get me wrong, I would probably buy one too, but fact to the matter is that Honda bought the FN2R to Aus simply because it was easier to market. It is more appealing overall and end of the day, it all comes down to how many they can sell. Realistically, the guys who have a FN2R now. If given the choice between a FD2R or a GTI or R32, the Honda might just lose a few sales.?

First of all its not in the same category as the FN2R. Obviously Honda wanted to bring in a hot hatch because the 'Hot hatch market is selling well, as you can see with the GTI etc...

Honestly, I cant see how they could have sold more units with the FD2R as they are with the FN2R.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 01:58 PM

The suspension would probably be too stiff for your kids though...

well if Honda Japan has baby seat on its option list then i wouldn't consider that as a problem.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 02:12 PM

well if Honda Japan has baby seat on its option list then i wouldn't consider that as a problem.

The baby seat is a generic option across the range. You'll see the same baby seat as an option in the other Honda cars/vans.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 02:13 PM

Honestly, I cant see how they could have sold more units with the FD2R as they are with the FN2R.

this is true but this is irrelevant why Honda can't do better with the FN2R.

as much as i love the FN2r, the biggest "missed feature" is the lack of LSD. as well as the inferior tyres are mostly accounted for the 2sec a lap different on the 5th Gear test.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 02:16 PM

The baby seat is a generic option across the range. You'll see the same baby seat as an option in the other Honda cars/vans.

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

gumbii

12-11-2007, 02:24 PM

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

that is some funny shiet...now a dad can take his baby to the track for some quality father - son time.

*looking at DMX

kidding by the way..just incase i get flamed

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 02:28 PM

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

that is some funny shiet...now a dad can take his baby to the track for some quality father - son time.

*looking at DMX

kidding by the way..just incase i get flamed

i guess they try to make it like a sensible car so it's easier to convince the missus :p

dmx

12-11-2007, 02:35 PM

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

that is some funny shiet...now a dad can take his baby to the track for some quality father - son time.

*looking at DMX

kidding by the way..just incase i get flamed

am i allowed to put my "baby on board" sign on the track ? :D:D

Nighthawk

12-11-2007, 03:16 PM

The baby seat is a generic option across the range. You'll see the same baby seat as an option in the other Honda cars/vans.
I wonder if you can get it here in Aus? I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...at least they have serious options in Japan!

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 03:34 PM

I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....:confused:

IAMVTEC

12-11-2007, 03:42 PM

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

Putting a baby in a Type R? Do that on Sydney roads and your baby will be brain damaged before he can say his first word.

gumbii

12-11-2007, 03:56 PM

dont know much about baby seats but dont they need to be put in the middle of the back seats?

i thought fn2r was 4 seater

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....:confused:

andyhui01

12-11-2007, 04:08 PM

this is the Japanese philiosphy, which is quite different to that for European unfortunately or fortunately depends on how hard/soft you want your car to be.

the Euro EP3R was quite a different car to the JDM EP3R ie. no recaro, no LSD and less power. the FN2R just followed on from the euro spec EP3R.

That is my point... which is why I don't think the FN2R is a fully bred typeR. I just think the europeans should have started their hot-hatch trend with another name. But obviously that would be stupid considering how popular and well respected the typeR badge already is.

aarong, my point was that if you read the ads or comparisons on the UK magazines (Evo and Top Gear), they review and advertise the typeR as a Hot Hatch, whereas the Japanese advertise the typeR as a track car. Both Hot Hatches and Track Cars are quick, but they are so different and the typeR's are supposed to be cars you can drive straight off the dealers and onto the track (which isn't how the UK has been advertising and marketing the FN2R).

My point is a Honda CRV in the UK is a crossover utility vehicle and despite the different variants, when it is in Australia, Japan, anywhere in the world, it is a crossover utility vehicle. It isn't a Sedan in the UK and a Crossover here is it? So why is it different for the typeR? the TypeR is now a Hot Hatch in Europe and AUS and a Track Car in Japan.

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 04:08 PM

Putting a baby in a Type R? Do that on Sydney roads and your baby will be brain damaged before he can say his first word.

sorry i don't live in sydney....

dont know much about baby seats but dont they need to be put in the middle of the back seats?

i thought fn2r was 4 seater

there is no requirement on where u have to put it except:
- not at front seat if there is an airbag;
- not at positions where there is no direct fixing point.

in practice, many people place the child seat on the left rear seat as it's easier to load and unload from the kerb.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 04:21 PM

My point is a Honda CRV in the UK is a crossover utility vehicle and despite the different variants, when it is in Australia, Japan, anywhere in the world, it is a crossover utility vehicle. It isn't a Sedan in the UK and a Crossover here is it? So why is it different for the typeR? the TypeR is now a Hot Hatch in Europe and AUS and a Track Car in Japan.

but Type R isn't a model. it's a spec within a model. and different markets have different specs for the same model of car although they may use the same term which is "type r" in this instance.

you have to realise Honda is selling the Type R as a ROAD registerable car. and the requirement for different markets are just different.

people in Europe travel long distance like us and they (we) demand comfort (relative) and features that are useful for street driving. while Japan has excellent public transport system and it can be uneconomical to drive a car for long distance due to crazy toll charges they have over there.

also can you imagine a manufacturer selling a 40k car in Australia with dual air bags?? media like Wheels will ask for head of the boss of Honda Aus.

i also wonder how many stars FD2R has for NACP.

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

again the market in Singapore is different and is unlikely to be the same here.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 04:53 PM

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

Ahhh, I see. I stand corrected. Imagine the potential of starting the kids from young. :thumbsup:

locote

12-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Yep, high 14's-low 15's then :D

There was a FN2R at the track a few weeks ago..
I lined him up him my EG a couple of times...
best he managed was 14.9, i think he just ahd a catbakc exhaust...
From the word go i was infront and pulling away...
Too heavy of a car

Nighthawk

12-11-2007, 05:00 PM

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....:confused:

Nothing wrong with it. I meant when I was looking through the official CTR accessories brochure I said "can I get a Type-R baby seat as a factory option?".

I was kidding at the time but obviously in Japan there was one released.

Nighthawk

12-11-2007, 05:15 PM

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

That is one big thing driving the demand for the FN2R though, the fact that in AUS you can't get the FD2R. If they were both on sale here from Honda dealers then sure we could compare which sells better locally and which is more popular, even if they were in different price brackets. But Honda Australia seem very reluctant to compete in the sports car market here anymore.

And that is the bigger picture. They've stopped selling the Prelude, stopped selling the Integra (even as a limited listing of just Type R or Type S), they hardly market the S2000 (and barely seem to sell many anymore), and even the FN2R they are shipping in limited numbers.

So if Honda Australia don't really want to play in the sports car market (because they don't think they can do the quantity and make enough money there), I seriously doubt they will consider bringing the JDM CTR to AUS based on their current philosophy.

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 05:27 PM

So if Honda Australia don't really want to play in the sports car market (because they don't think they can do the quantity and make enough money there), I seriously doubt they will consider bringing the JDM CTR to AUS based on their current philosophy.

it's not Honda Aust's fault for no prelude/integra tho.

also the problem with S2k isn't Australia alone. i don't think they still sell a lot anywhere.

aaronng

12-11-2007, 05:30 PM

I wonder if you can get it here in Aus? I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...at least they have serious options in Japan!

Even if you could score one of the 300 seats, would you trust a non-ADR tested seat? :)

I'd rather a Recaro:

http://www.recaro.com/uploads/pics/6142_21086_01.gif

http://www.recaro.com/index.php?id=646&region=1&L=2

Philip Lee

12-11-2007, 05:40 PM

I'd rather a Recaro:

haha same here and this is what i have:

http://f21batchimg.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/4/2/9/2/gekiyasu_no1-imgbatch_1118823828/498x600-1118823828865281_jr1.jpg

aaronng

12-11-2007, 05:51 PM

^^ That seat looks like Ultraman! :eek:

UNLS1

12-11-2007, 06:44 PM

I wonder if you can get it here in Aus? I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...at least they have serious options in Japan!

i would laugh too! cant get anything like that here in aus!

AsH_

14-11-2007, 12:43 AM

get roof racks.

andyhui01

14-11-2007, 08:17 AM

get roof racks.

Might as well finish off with a Tow Bar as well :P

dmx

14-11-2007, 05:23 PM

get roof racks.

Might as well finish off with a Tow Bar as well :P

i seen both with civic already, also civic with disabled kit on roof (don't laugh pls, respect disabled ppl !)

JP.87

28-12-2007, 07:16 PM

spoondc2

28-12-2007, 08:04 PM

If this is true, i really dunno what will the current CTR owners feel

Honda dealers still trying to sell the current CTR without much discount and EVOs STIs are getting cheaper and cheaper. It just wouldn't work

preludacris

29-12-2007, 04:05 AM

i still think the fd2 and fn2 can sell together.

they will be in diff price ranges, and they kinda appeal to somewhat different markets.

ppl after more funky car, fn2. ppl after a raw fast car that doesnt stand out so much, fd2.

denot

29-12-2007, 10:08 AM

maybe they rename FN2R into Civic Type R-UK and FD2R as Civic Type R-JP

:p

UNLS1

29-12-2007, 10:33 AM

hi ya'll

I dont wanna spread any rumours but...
i heard from my uncle who's a mechanic that the JDM Civic TypeR (FD2R) is coming to our shores by 2008 mid-year.

Just wanna know if its true, some hear-say or just some false hope.

Peace
~

yeah i herd from my mates, cousins brother who knows a bloke who has a dog and the dogs brothers owner works with a guy who delivers stuff to honda said the same thing and we are getting a V8 jazz too.;)

denot

29-12-2007, 11:53 AM

yeah i herd from my mates, cousins brother who knows a bloke who has a dog and the dogs brothers owner works with a guy who delivers stuff to honda said the same thing and we are getting a V8 jazz too.;)

I will try to sum these UNLS1 lines into a line: "No, I dont think so"

dmx

29-12-2007, 12:27 PM

hi ya'll

I dont wanna spread any rumours but...
i heard from my uncle who's a mechanic that the JDM Civic TypeR (FD2R) is coming to our shores by 2008 mid-year.

Just wanna know if its true, some hear-say or just some false hope.

Peace
~
to be honest, now i'm not interested with JDM type-r anymore since we all now there is another powerfull civic : MUGEN RR:thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrS7YyoeEjk

yeah i herd from my mates, cousins brother who knows a bloke who has a dog and the dogs brothers owner works with a guy who delivers stuff to honda said the same thing and we are getting a V8 jazz too.;)

there's a real hope when UNLS1 say so ;)

JP.87

29-12-2007, 02:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfdUwOrs0E&NR=1
typeR driver got frustrated... haha

but whats there to do... theres only 300 and they're all taken
if some1 has da MUGEN RR... i'll b ur best friend... hehe

~

Jake02

13-01-2008, 06:39 PM

is there any country that has hatch and sedan? if not we may be first country to have both versions of type r's! though with the hatch it aint that mauch to celebrate!

6ary

14-01-2008, 06:04 PM

Singapore - FN2R is brought in by Kah Motors (official honda dealership), The FD2R which are alot more rampant on the roads are imported and a tiny bit cheaper than the FN2R

6ary

14-01-2008, 06:07 PM

JP.87:

The girl on the right of your avatar

-edit- dun wanna attract too much attention

Reothe

14-01-2008, 06:39 PM

lol gary, u should bring ur FN2R to sg and swap it with someone's FD2R :P haha..since FN2R is more expensive than FD2R in sg :D oh and nice pic.. although i prefer JP.87's avatar..more chio :)

xqwzit

15-01-2008, 01:56 AM

lol gary gwee is so proud of his chic, u sure hvnt changed since yr9...

6ary

15-01-2008, 02:42 AM

lol gary gwee is so proud of his chic, u sure hvnt changed since yr9...

who's this, i'm assuming a fellow scotchie

Chris_F

10-02-2008, 02:42 PM

they should call the fn2r 'civic euro-R'

6ary

10-02-2008, 02:56 PM

Lol.. I agree, coming from a fn2 driver

JaCe

10-02-2008, 06:32 PM

lol @ thread becoming overrun with singaporean/malaysians :)

aaronng

10-02-2008, 07:44 PM

Was in singapore for 2 weeks for business and I did see quite a few FD2Rs there. I also saw one on display in a shopping mall by the importer. All I can say is that I will get one if they released it here. :)

fasthonda

10-02-2008, 07:54 PM

The more time goes by the less likely I believe we'll get the FD2R in Australia.However,if it does by some miracle make to Australia I would certainly consider buying one but only if the suspension is not harder/firmer than the FN2.:)

d15z1SUX

10-02-2008, 08:11 PM

ill definetly get a fd2r if they come here. well i would get one sometime when i could afford it... but definetly lol.

6ary

10-02-2008, 08:12 PM

fasthonda

10-02-2008, 08:18 PM

sendok

29-04-2008, 12:27 PM

arghh.. come already! i'm waiting for yaaaaa~

aaronng

29-04-2008, 02:22 PM

I've actually driven an FD2R and the suspension is not THAT much harder than the FN2, don't worry :). But what would I know I'm used to sleeping on the floor at parties and being stabbed with a skeleton made of granite

Yeah, FD2R is stiff for a stock car, but when you start comparing it to Hondas here in Aus using Buddyclub N+ coils, it it considered soft. :) I think the spring rate is only about 5-6kg/mm

Sherweeeny

02-05-2008, 12:31 AM

i hope i blow my engine and find a half cut of one of those in the same day LOL!

Philip Lee

02-05-2008, 09:55 AM

just buy one of this if you have a CAMS licence:

http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/onemake/

should cost <$30k landed.

Mingy

05-05-2008, 07:38 PM

Even if we do get the FD2R expect the car to be detuned. i'd think they will use the same engine as the FN2R and most definitely take off the brembo brake clippers to save cost. stiff suspension will be replaced. they might use the civic sports alloys instead of type-r. also they will take off the indash GPS. so ADM FD2R=:thumbdwn:

Sherweeeny

05-05-2008, 07:51 PM

they might use the civic sports alloys instead of type-r.

hahhaaha no they wont!
they wouldnt take out the brakes either!

Mingy

05-05-2008, 08:14 PM

hahhaaha no they wont!
they wouldnt take out the brakes either!

LOL its just an assumption. but definitely they'll do some sh1t just to save cost and comply with the aussie standards. fair dinkum mate

dmx

05-05-2008, 08:18 PM

Nepolian

05-05-2008, 08:18 PM

LOL its just an assumption. but definitely they'll do some sh1t just to save cost and comply with the aussie standards. fair dinkum mate

By the time they pull their fingers out and try to get it here, the new model will be out and it'll be under SEVS!

Mingy

05-05-2008, 08:25 PM

Off Topic: Is there a particular reason why honda engines always get detuned when they are sold here? can someone gimme a full recap?

Nepolian

05-05-2008, 08:40 PM

Off Topic: Is there a particular reason why honda engines always get detuned when they are sold here? can someone gimme a full recap?

Without going too much into it....

Japs have 100ron fuel. In oz they're not widely available (only 98). So car gets detuned to suit and so that Honda can ultimately warrant it!

Thats the belief anyway....better be safe than sorry they say!

Mingy

05-05-2008, 09:33 PM

Without going too much into it....

Japs have 100ron fuel. In oz they're not widely available (only 98). So car gets detuned to suit and so that Honda can ultimately warrant it!

Thats the belief anyway....better be safe than sorry they say!

you mean detuned to suit 91 Unleaded, correct?

markCivicVti

05-05-2008, 09:36 PM

^ FD1/FD2 is 91ron... FD2R if ever made it to oz would be 98 or maybe 95ron.

But it won't... and I couldn't care :P

Elwood

05-05-2008, 09:55 PM

I don't mind a power detune as long as everything else stays the same and I will most likely get this car.

Agreed.

Nothing that a PFC can't fix :P

aaronng

05-05-2008, 10:01 PM

Agreed.

Nothing that a PFC can't fix :P

PFC doesn't support the K series.

Mingy

05-05-2008, 11:04 PM

PFC doesn't support the K series.

LOL :D

Hullabaloo

06-05-2008, 10:36 AM

Off Topic: Is there a particular reason why honda engines always get detuned when they are sold here? can someone gimme a full recap?

I wonder if the "fuel quality" is the full story? when they brought in the DC5R they specified that it is to be run on 95 ron... why not 98? I think i heard someone say that at the time 98 wasn't as wide spread. but other manufacturers brought in cars that had 98ron min specified.

I would say that it's more about cost. The american 01-04 RSX ran the K20A2 so it was probably cheaper to get that engine for our market too. then america got the K20Z1 in the 05-06 RSX and we also got the same engine in our DC5S

As for FN2R, i'm guessing that's cos the market was going the way of hot hatches and honda wanted to jump on the ship.

oniononline

06-05-2008, 11:20 PM

I wonder if the "fuel quality" is the full story? when they brought in the DC5R they specified that it is to be run on 95 ron... why not 98? I think i heard someone say that at the time 98 wasn't as wide spread. but other manufacturers brought in cars that had 98ron min specified.

I would say that it's more about cost. The american 01-04 RSX ran the K20A2 so it was probably cheaper to get that engine for our market too. then america got the K20Z1 in the 05-06 RSX and we also got the same engine in our DC5S

As for FN2R, i'm guessing that's cos the market was going the way of hot hatches and honda wanted to jump on the ship.

Marketing is one of the main factor, many customer would be concerned if a car requires min 98k, especially the car itself costs less than 50k, think about this, a car that produces 150kw (example) by using 95ron fuel as min, and another car also produces 150kw but min requirement is 98ron, almost 10% extra in running cost, which one would you prefer to buy?

I know many of us here on ozhonda understands the real difference with 95 amd 98, but there are many many others on the market that only cares about $$, they thinks why should I pay extra running cost with the same performance output.

Mr_will

06-05-2008, 11:25 PM

Marketing is one of the main factor, many customer would be concerned if a car requires min 98k, especially the car itself costs less than 50k, think about this, a car that produces 150kw (example) by using 95ron fuel as min, and another car also produces 150kw but min requirement is 98ron, almost 10% extra in running cost, which one would you prefer to buy?

I know many of us here on ozhonda understands the real difference with 95 amd 98, but there are many many others on the market that only cares about $$, they thinks why should I pay extra running cost with the same performance output.

10% extra in running costs? i think you need to revise your estimate there.

98 octane fuel is either 5 or 6 cents per litre more expensive than 95 octane fuel.

if you use, for the sake of argument, a 50litre tank every two weeks, thats $2.50 a fortnight. thats $65 a year. compared to servicing and tyres, this is not exactly significant.

Philip Lee

07-05-2008, 09:42 AM

oniononline

07-05-2008, 10:14 AM

Well, why don't you try go around the street and ask people would they purchase a 38k Japanese car but need 98ron petrol ? Over 1000 people, I guess there would be more people would accept a car with lower fuel requirement over high fuel reqirment for the same performance. (subject to the same car, eg: carA rated as 98ron min Vs carA rated as 95ron min)

In another way, if the car can be driven with a lower spec fuel and more people would accept it, why would they put it at higher spec? What benefit can the car dealer gain for setting a higher rate petrol? And I would believe that some Japanese cars lowered the fuel requirement even without doing any changes to the car, probably just reprogramed the fuel/air ratio so the car doesn't knock.

And Golf GTI is a euro car, euro vs jap? I think more people would say Euro cars are more prestige than Jap cars, thus, using a higher rate petrol is more acceptable for euro built cars.

10% just a rough estimation, ok, my bad, please allow me to correct it, last night I refueled @ shell, 149.95 for 98 vpower, 139.95 for 95, 135.95 for 91, ok,big deal, I'll correct it to 6.6688896298766255418472824274758% extra running cost per year, probably won't be that much but if you add everything in your daily life expenses together, and try to save everything with 6.6688896298766255418472824274758%, the total is quiet a lot. Eg: spending of 30k a year for a family, 6.6688896298766255418472824274758% saving would be $2000.67 why don't you want an extra $2000.67 bonus at the end of the year? Sorry for the number but since some people here are very concerned about the exact %.

Philip Lee

07-05-2008, 10:48 AM

We're talking about performance car here, not white goods on wheels.

there is always trade offs in life. if you want one thing, be prepared to give up something. ie. want performance, pay more. want to reduce cost, suffer with ordinary performance.

everyone know performance has higher running cost. use more fuel, parts/service are more expensive. if they're that concern with running cost, they should stick to Toyotas which have set service fee up to i think 60000km.

your thoughts is exactly why we only get the water down version of a so called Type R (aka DC5R), and why it's unlikely we'll ever get the proper ones. but the excuse Honda gives is just BS to me.

A VW that is made in South Africa/Mexico and cost similar $$ to buy is more prestige than a Honda that is made in Japan???? LOL VW is very good at marketing then.

a Type R ffs is a not for the mass. they are never intended to sell in a great volume. that's the job for Jazz and bread and butter Civic.

just like organic food, they cost more for sure but there are still market for them.

aaronng

07-05-2008, 11:02 AM

And Golf GTI is a euro car, euro vs jap? I think more people would say Euro cars are more prestige than Jap cars, thus, using a higher rate petrol is more acceptable for euro built cars.

That is not a midset that I agree with. :)
Japanese cars have just as high a compression as Euro cars. Prestige doesn't determine whether someone would be willing to put in 98 over 95. When it comes to 95 and 98, the general public doesn't give a hoot between the two and would usually go for 98 anyway if they are rich enough to afford such a fun/performance/prestige car. I've seen middle aged ladies put in 98 into a car which requires only 95. Heck, my gf who thinks cars are boring and dull and are only as a means of transport still puts in 98 into her car spec'd for 91!

oniononline

07-05-2008, 11:12 AM

denot

07-05-2008, 11:34 AM

hehe, maybe I'm talking on the wrong forum. I would say people here are biased with japanese cars. But for me, if I can get a same deal for GTI and TypeR, I would purchase GTI. I pucrhsed the Civic, due to 91ron and good fuel consumption.

Anyway, my conclusion came from a friend of mine working at subaru dealer, he received many complaints about their new Tribeca. The problem is the car stated to use 95ron, but it has knocking issue, engine doesn't run very smoothly, however, using 98ron is perfect, smooth as butter. So that's what they suggested to the customer. What are the feedbacks? 99% people complaint that they purchased the car for 95ron, why do they need to pay extra for 98ron for the car to run smoothly, if they knew the car need 98ron, they would purchase a euro car.

Hence, why I said before.

By the way, I'm not saying water down or what, I'm trying to say why car company in Australia, try to reduce their fuel requirement here. Of couse, fuel quality is the biggest issue, but consumer behaviour is the second.

1. GTi is not an Euro car, only the VW badge is made in German (maybe) the rest is built in South Africa and Mexico (which is worse than Japan - or even Thailand?)
2. When ppl bought new car and found problem with them, they will try to make any possible excuse to throw to the dealer... buying the car becoz its run on 95 RON? What a BS!!! It becoz they found the car not running smoothly on 95 RON then this "excuses" comes up. This is happens in live, from PC Games perspective, Unreal Tournament 3 has "minimum requirement" (note: 95 RON is not recomended requirement by Subaru, but "minimum requirement") that you need at least Pentium 4 3 GHz CPU to play them, but I have Core 2 Quad Q6600 and it still laggy!!! Should I go to them and complaint?
3. I agree with consumer behaviour is one issue (beside fuel quality). but ppl who bought Type Rs are not a mere daily customer. They buy Type R not becoz they want to save some money on fuel consumption, not becoz it has high safety rating, or becoz it has Aircon.

oniononline

07-05-2008, 11:45 AM

I think we are not talking about type r, but why fuel type reqirement is lower in Australia in general.

I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

denot

07-05-2008, 11:53 AM

I think we are not talking about type r, but why fuel type reqirement is lower in Australia in general.

See the Topic title...

I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

I didnt said it has to be 98RON "minimum requirement" coz there wont be anything to recomend after that... "minimum requirement" is sort of like 'its enough to run the car, but not the best option'. That is why the Subaru put 95 RON as minimum requirement, but maybe the "recomended" is 98RON.

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.
Again, I (and as the topic title said) talked about the CTR (and why Type Rs are 'downgraded' here in Australia), not the normal Civics.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

And for this one I still prefer the Type R (note: Type R are made in Japan).

peace out...:zip:

aaronng

07-05-2008, 12:17 PM

Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?
Brand/country/euro/mexico car does not determine whether it runs 91, 95 or 98 RON. It comes from engine design, compression and the efficiency it runs at. You can get mexico specials that need 98 RON, and you will find high class Euro cars needing only 91 RON (Mercs). It has nothing to do with which country the car comes from.

Shraka

07-05-2008, 12:20 PM

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FD2 Civic.

Ultimately, they are very similar. The GTI gets a bit more torque, while the Type R is faster with more top end (as you'd expect from a Type R). The FD2 is lighter too.

I'd really like them to bring the FD2 Type R here.

denot

07-05-2008, 12:29 PM

If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FN2 Civic.

did you mean FD2R Civic? :confused:

oniononline

07-05-2008, 12:31 PM

biased I guess, hehe :P it would be a totally opposite answer from a GTI forum.

Anyway, ignore me :P My point of view is from the car manufacture's feedback, and since petrol is so expensive, people in Australia is taking it as one of their consideration when they purchasing a car, of course not as a first priority, but they do concern, like a $30k car but requires 98ron?

At lease myself would be turned away and purchase another car that has similar performance, but only need 91 or 95 to achieve this. That's all I'm trying to say.

And I would buy a FD2 too :) FN2 looks too sexy and girly to me, just my personal view hehe, don't flame me :P

Philip Lee

07-05-2008, 12:32 PM

If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FN2 Civic.

do you mean FD2?

I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

personally i would not buy a 20k civic if it runs on 98ron purely becos it's not a special car which warrants the better fuel. on the other hand, i'm prepare to live with the extra cost for a Type R tho.

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

yes you are right but i still won't buy a Thai built or China built Honda. however i'm happy to buy a UK built one.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

i'd buy GTI rather than FN2R becos GTI imo has superior performance and better steering feel and driving position (ie. lower). in fact i placed a deposit for a GTI back in Dec07 when i was shopping for a new car. until i came across with a good condition EP3. however if you compare GTI with FD2, i'll buy a FD2 in a heart beat.

Shraka

07-05-2008, 12:33 PM

did you mean FD2R Civic? :confused:

Yes, yes I do.

As for the petrol debate, I only once put 95 RON petrol in my DC2, and that's when I was in the middle of nowhere on a camping trip. Otherwise it's always 98RON, so the requirement for 98RON wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'd just make sure I had some octane booster if I was driving into the country.

I rarely put anything but 98 RON into my old carby Lancer, because it ran better, and the petrol was only 10% more expensive, and I got 10% better economy with 98 RON. So it didn't actually cost me anything extra to have the better petrol.

The Type R is for enthusiasts. I don't think 98RON would loose them many sales at all.

denot

07-05-2008, 12:36 PM

Philip Lee

07-05-2008, 12:38 PM

At lease myself would be turned away and purchase another car that has similar performance, but only need 91 or 95 to achieve this. That's all I'm trying to say.

this is true but most if not all sub $50k hi po cars run on 98ron anyway.

unless u consider a 200kw V6 Aurion/RAV4 a performance car.

Shraka

07-05-2008, 12:46 PM

biased I guess, hehe :P it would be a totally opposite answer from a GTI forum.
P.S. Of course you would, but I'm personally not biased. I just have preferences towards things Honda makes. I prefer a simpler, lighter car to a more luxury spec car. I prefer N/A to turbocharged, and the Civic manages extra power up high, which is were I want the power to be.

If the GTI was N/A, and had more power than the Type R and handled better for the same price I wouldn't mess about, I'd buy the GTI. Although I think the FD2 looks a bit better than the Golf. It's not a Honda fanboy thing. Honda makes cars that suit my taste, I don't change my taste to suit whatever Honda makes.