Coil-overs for EK

[EK_coupe]

Hey guys,
was wondering if you guys have any opinions as whether koni or endless coil-overs are better. I seem to think that konis may be better as they specialise on suspension and handling.

[alan]

i got koni, seems a little soft for twisty roads but street driving melb roads are pretty good comfort

[eknine]

endless? u mean zeal coilovers
i know someone is selling used zeal coilovers for ek
pm me- i'll hook u up;)

[SPEEDCORE]

I seem to think that konis may be better as they specialise on suspension and handling.

Have a mate who has koni's and they are not bad.....

I would not bother comparing konis to Zeal coilovers cause that is absurd to compare the two.... maybe the non-height adjustable base Zeals "Function" ?...... but definately not to compare Zeals like the B6 and higher spec ones.

[pornstar]

konis own Zeal. Al urs isnt a coiulover u tool :P

[SPEEDCORE]

konis own Zeal. Al urs isnt a coiulover u tool :P

English please???

[joneblaze]

konis own Zeal. Al urs isnt a coiulover u tool :P

English please???

[pornstar translation tool]: Koni coilovers are better than Zeal coilovers. Alan, your suspension package are not coilovers, you stupid man. [/translation tool]

:lol:

[SPEEDCORE]

Was that using Babel Fish???? :wink:

[genesis]

I have koni coilovers in my ek4, and they've served me very well for the track work that I do. However, I think some stiffer coilovers would be a pain in the ass for road use. The konis are a good compromise.

[EK_coupe]

cool, thanks for the info guys. i will consider some koni shocks if not coil-overs

[SPEEDCORE]

I have koni coilovers in my ek4, and they've served me very well for the track work that I do. However, I think some stiffer coilovers would be a pain in the ass for road use. The konis are a good compromise.

I have to agree man..... after driving your car I was actually quite surprised that it was still that comfortable over not so smooth roads.

[EG5]

Zeal is better ...

[pornstar]

zeal and teins if u dont want your kidneys, but really, konis are much better cos they have much more adjustability in terms of outer parameter range, use the damper adjsutment if u want sitffness or u can just ask them to valve the coilover with a stiffer spring rate.
And if anything goes wrong u dont have to send it abckto japan to be revalved :P

[tanghy]

4x zeal s6 = 15 kg
4x konis = ?? maybe 30kg?

[alan]

konis own Zeal. Al urs isnt a coiulover u tool :P

i never said they were coilovers, besides, u couldn't tell me when u saw them from dat link i gave u.....tool :lol:

[ONV-73C]

id get Zeal or Spoon....

[SPEEDCORE]

id get Zeal or Spoon....

Its easy to say get this get that but what are your reasons and how much track work vs street driving do you use the car for??

This is not a dig at you ONV, more so trying to get people to see what they are truely trying to acheive with such products.

Not just what you are looking for but also budget comes into play for a lot of people (yes including myself).

Not sure on price of koni's coilover system but I would imagine that it is best suited to mainly street with occasional track work and mostly likely priced reasonably, it CAN perform quite well despite what people will lead you to believe......

Stuff like Zeal is V nice but considering price....... I would not be getting it if you are only planning to hit the track once or twice a year..... also with spring rates of the B6 *without specifically asking for higher ones from the factory* being F 12kg and R 8kg, you better be pretty serious about competing and compromising a bit comfort on the street and also your wallet.

[tanghy]

how much are koni coilovers? NOT sleeves + koni shocks BUT the real coilovers?

[pornstar]

2,500, much more adjustment than tein or wahteer. whast a new zeal cost?

[tanghy]

look like that?
http://www.nexternal.com/finishline/images/konicoilover-main.jpg

[pornstar]

whats a zeal cost? how much adjustment does it have? most jap coilovers i know have very little parametres in the movement, but they do have many increments within those parametres. If im right id be guessing 3,500?

full coilovers with damper adjustability, 2,500 konis. ring any koni supplier and ask them for urself.

[carbine]

real hondas use koni
http://www.barf1.com/

[bizee_1]

2,500, much more adjustment than tein or wahteer. whast a new zeal cost?

Not sure....but Centrax have them listed on their site, anywhere from 2,300 - 3,900 . (valid from 4/10/01 could have changed in 3 years ey)

http://www.centraxauto.com.au/Endless/suspension.htm

[pornstar]

well even cheaper making the jap brands really not worth it

[mugsee]

[alan translation tool]: i never said they were coilovers. besides, you couldn't tell me that they were coilovers when u saw them from dat link i gave u, you stupid fag. I hate your guts, you damn alco! [/translation tool]

[eknine]

IMHO, having too many adjustments may or may not a good thing. you might argue that with more, it allows you to a finer adjustment of dampers settings. right!

however with more means the amount and time needed to trial and error to locate the one suitable is quite a battle. Also not forgetting if you do both street and track driving, its mean a different sets of settings you may have to do on top of the available settings you may have(i.e 16 settings) x 4 for each corners.
in short you potentially be playing with the settings all day long.

on the other hand with a small finite number of settings, you reaches a suitable/compromised setting with less efforts and if for instance you have maxed out the settings, it would only mean that you would have to change spring rates.

at the end of the day, one can put in variables for choosing a system over another
with one of the most important issue for most ppl is the "cost". but remember "we pay for what we get".

its all abt compromised, for the amount that you wish to spend you can get a brand new system or a used and maybe superior system in terms of make, reliability, light weightness,etc. maybe one should explore the possibilities or choices. new will be old in time to come and not all used system is crap. Thats why we always have a used or pre-loved market -> to owned what we possibly cannot afford or maybe in a way "afford something which we think is overly priced new".

[pornstar]

so taking the time to setup somethign right is a bad thing? riiiiiiiiiiiiight!
when ur talking nwe prices, the konis arent even expensive relative to the almight [acronym:ceac72df2a="Japanese Domestic Market"]JDM[/acronym:ceac72df2a] bling brands yo! check not just incremental change, but the parameters of change! look at that, compare that with price, warranty, the fact that if anything goes wrong u can get it fixed local, dealing with someone local, that f1 cars use koni technology, says alot :)
but ur right eknine, ppl only willing to spend so much on suspensions, and in the end they get a second hand jdm one, which is a good buy at their price, but dont u wonder, what if something goes wrong?

[eknine]

constructively, maybe for those who have switched from system to system would be keen to move this discussion into a sharing of their experiences...i'm sure some forumers would have experience with konis, teins, HKS, Zeal or maybe just springs swaps to spoons springs or others :)

[SPEEDCORE]

[quote="pornstar";p="109949"] that f1 cars use koni technology, says alot :)/quote]

You can not be serious with a quote like that!!!!

:roll: WoW honda make F1 engines so my engine must be as good as a F1 :roll:
:roll: I roll on bridgestones so my tyres are as good as those on the Ferrari teams :roll:


I'll have some feed back on Zeals for you guys within a couple of months.

[pornstar]

and u work for Autosalon mag, wow :P

all i said was it says that there is a high level of technology inbuilt on the suspensions, if u wanna pay me out for that go ahead. Go put a k20 into a civic cos thats the way to go, and ill lsiten to ur review about that too.

[SPEEDCORE]

LMFAO! So you turn this into a shit slinging fest? Very mature of you.

Anyway..... no one is denying that there is vast amounts of tech. and R&D into suspension systems, especially when they come as a compete unit... over trying to match shocks to springs to acheive the ride, handling and cornernering characteristics that you want.

My point I was trying to make across to you is this....... why are you trying to boost the appeal of products by saying things about koni in F1 like that?

In my view it is silly and also potentially VERY MISLEADING to your potential customers..... do you understand where I am comming from?

We (or at least I do too) know that koni's perform well...... I even mentioned it earlier in the thread........ so why are you getting all upset and calling me names for something that I agree on their performance but shun the F1 tag that you put on them.

I'm not mad at you and not trying to correct you, just wanting you to see how your words could influence someone in a direction to buy something that they don't really need or did not really suit their needs.

[pornstar]

its ok bro, stick to bodykits and fibreglass:P shit slinging? whos shit slinging?
As for misleading, u think a k20a in a civic is a good way of making pwoer, how MISLEADING do u think that is?
im not really angry or mad and i dont need to correct you, but if ur gonna add sarcasm to ur words, i think u should get some back for ur own MISLEADING comments.

[genesis]

Pornstar, please keep this thread on topic... you have gone past the line a couple of times now.

[pornstar]

and at the same time im the only one giving him any tech advice as to what to look for in a coilover...
how did i go over? if i did i think a moderator woulda said something to me by now already. whatever flaots ur boat fellas, not my money being wasted, so go ahead and [acronym:c8b3a4a4e8="Japanese Domestic Market"]JDM[/acronym:c8b3a4a4e8] yo.

[vti-2]

LMFAO! So you turn this into a shit slinging fest? Very mature of you.

If anyone turned this into a shit slinging fest, it was you right there. Keep your immature bickering out of this thread. I've read this whole thread from start to finish and pornstar is well within the scope of this discussion and as far as i can see, has provided far more insight and useful information than you.

Now, back to the topic...

[eknine]

.............but ur right eknine, ppl only willing to spend so much on suspensions, and in the end they get a second hand jdm one, which is a good buy at their price, but dont u wonder, what if something goes wrong?

well shits happens even if you were to buy a brand new system, unless you are saying that a brand new system will definitely not fail. apart from that i'm sure buying from reputated sellers, they do provide the necessary support when things goes wrong.

be it new or a used system, JDM or not JDM. if you feels that buying JDM or any parts might not give you that level of comfort to know what to do when things fail, then there is really no need to even discuss buying anything aftermarket from japan or elsewhere but buy locally -> because you will always be thinking "what if"

we might be talking abt used suspension system here or used cams or anything used. we might even be talking abt aftermarket cams that may have the effects of accelerate wear but i trust that every discerning buyers would look into buying a new or used system/aftermarket parts on its merits( i.e mileage, brand reliability, purpose, needs , construction, make, etc).

But what i'm saying here is that we should not be taking choices away or exploring the possibilities of stretching the dollar for a good buy even if its used, either way we should not condemn that used parts are crap or have the attitude that used part always give problems.

for used parts, i choose to reiterated positively ->"maybe in a way afford a premium item/brand which we think is overly priced new" rather than thinking negatively that "i can't afford this but i know is good..."

ultimately i'm not bashing that konis is bad or anything,neither am i denying the fact that it has local support. i'd love to think that, we might not have the luxury of having a [acronym:c451183f72="Japanese Domestic Market"]JDM[/acronym:c451183f72] manufacturing in our backyard, but that should not restrict ourself to only parts that has local support. i'm saying if one would choose to buy a suspension system, explore the merits of ur needs and what you can get for ur dollar be it new or used not just because its from the land of the rising sun ;)

[VTi-RT]

Head to Head, Koni's or Tein's, I would go the Tein anyday. Koni's are good, but look at the amount of actual use in real everyday honda's (integra, civic) on the track and on the street.

Price for full coilover systems are similar
Koni's are a softer ride made more for street use.
Tein's have more range, each made for specific purposes, Type flex for street, HR more for track use.

[carbine]

^ummm LOL!.

Koni yellows are the most tryed and tested shocks for amature racing ever. Koni yellows and ground-control sleeves are one of the most popular suspension choices for auto-x racing in America and with revalving will own anything <$3000.

If your thinking about suspension for track tein doesn't even come into the equation.

[PhatMirage]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion here.... but i was just wondering what is the significance off the pillowball mounts on the teins? Do the koni coilovers have pillowball mounts available or are they simply not necessary?