b18c all motor

[VTECCIVIC]

Hey im looking at putting a b18c into an ek civic.
How much and what parts will i need to make 120 - 130 fwkw's of unassisted free revving street car fun?

cheers

[pornstar]

20,000 dollars but if u can find cheap labour about 14,000

[SPEEDCORE]

:shock: I'm pretty sure you would not need that much...... unless you are taking into account the engine conversion as a cost on that too....

Heck if it was gonna be that much for 130kw at the wheels in an EK I would just go straight to K20.

[Weq]

for 120+kw u will need to open upo the engine.

[tinkerbell]

my stock internaled b20vtec does 121kw

it cost 8000 for parts alone...

[PhatMirage]

my stock internaled b20vtec does 121kw

it cost 8000 for parts alone...

With a stock crank too? What to you rev it out to for 121kW?

[tinkerbell]

8500rpm

used ARP head studs and rod bolts though...

[pornstar]

I guess im right then :P
rods, pistons, cams, cam gears, valves, retainers, springs, port and polish, extractors, intake manifold, [acronym:78f52a8bd2="Throttle Body"]TB[/acronym:78f52a8bd2], clutch, flywheel. Thats just parts, and u will be lucky to net 130kws at the wheels. But u also gotta add in labour etc etc :)

[tinkerbell]

yeah, easy 20k incl. labour pornstar.

but it would be bullet proof and good for low 13 sec 1/4 miles...

[pornstar]

and a mean mean mean setup for an NA car :)
but i forgot to mention ecu, injectors oh wellz.

[SPEEDCORE]

Like I said.............. get a K20 :oops:

[tinkerbell]

how will a K20 help?

they make about 100kw stock at the wheels on the same dyno i make 121kw...

you would still need to spend another 5 or so thousand on top of the $10'000+ K20AR conversion price...

but it woudl eb quite unique...

[pornstar]

and gay! u need the gerabox, and tranny with teh motor itself, if u dont wanna custom the mounts, gota buy mount kits, and all tahts gonna be at what cost? then factor in labour of putting it in, and all fora pitiful 100kws.

[VTECCIVIC]

lol serious...........hmmmnn
The moneys no issue but that seems a little too much for 120 - 130 kws .....i just sold a 200 rwkw s13 and that did mid to low 12 second quarter miles on stock internals........that cost me 20k all up. I know they are two different horses for 2 different .... and i know na power is harder to make....maybe i'll buy that black fd......

[tinkerbell]

*cough* factory turbo *cough*

[SP0017]

Dude, i really don't think you can compare. i think 20000 is more than enough but not exorbitant. But like tinkerbell said, it will be a bulletproof 120 + kw. Like a total rebuild with lots of extras including sleeving.

Probably can track it without any worries at all.

[pornstar]

and its still got Honda build quality :)

[tinkerbell]

ok, well a 10k engine build will get you about 110kw but will have compromises built into it.

the 20k figure has none at all.

if it is not a track car, then for 10k you could get a good free revving street engine that is unlikely to fail when correctly tuned...

[OLM-02R]

hahahahahahahahhaahhahaha make sure ur pocket is reallllyyyyyyyyyyyy deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[Weq]

20k on a turbo setup for ur b18c will get u into the 12's though.

[ginganggooly]

my vti-r hit 110kw at the wheels at dynodave's dyno with stock valvetrain and internals. hondata, home made cai, jdm 4-1 header and 2.5" zorst. thats worth maybe 4 grand max...

are you guys including the cost of the motor inthe 20k figure?
i would have thought maybe 10k in engin mods would be enough to see 120kw -or more- at the wheels...

[alan]

do u mean da blk fd wif quad driving lights for sale on firesport?

[Toby]

i just sold a 200 rwkw s13 and that did mid to low 12 second quarter miles on stock internals........that cost me 20k all up.

WTF :? were did the 20K go??

[VTECCIVIC]

toby thats including the initial purchase price of the car...12k
jap exhaust system (kakimoto) 1100
power fc 1300
t28 1000
GTR fuel pump 350
300 zx airflow meter 350
custom dump pipe 500
injectors 550cc 700
plus other shit i can't think of...

[BLKCRX]

k20 + toda headers + toda spec cams + hondata.... stock exhaust stock intake (modified ) stock engine = 150kw+ ehhe ;) at the wheels
mmmm K20 !!!

Regards James

[SPEEDCORE]

k20 only 100kw@wheels??

Geez hey!!

Can someone please explain to me how there can be a stock DC5R with Buddy Club catback and nothing else (maybe filter) pull 120 odd KW@W on about 4 different dynos using Shootout 04? And I might add that the figures where not fudged.

I'm still not gonna budge from my point of view that if you want to get that kind of KW with least amount of money, and strees to the engine...... then k20.

[pornstar]

yer but on thsoe same dynos wihtout fudging what do dc2R's pull?
least amount of money is where u pinged urself, it aint cheap to get in to a civic.

[MURCHO]

yeah mate has a DC5R with cat back exhaust and panel filter and air box modification and hes getting 119kw@wheels with everything else stock. they are a potent engine the K20.

[SPEEDCORE]

yeah mate has a DC5R with cat back exhaust and panel filter and air box modification and hes getting 119kw@wheels with everything else stock. they are a potent engine the K20.

Yer...... its what I'm sort of trying to say... not blasting others views or calling BS.... last thing I would be doing.

More so trying to say that to get those kind of figures, and stay N/A with B18 it IS a highly stressed engine..... where as you could see those figures quite easily with k20..... I know I know every thing costs money.... what doesn't? :roll:

Just trying to throw other options into the equation if you are talking that much money to get B18 into the civic and then mod to get that much power and possibly have engine wear issues then I would sway more to going k20..... I would imagine it could possibly end up being cheaper to do the K20 and your power goal.

[carbine]

I think to many people here read usa forums to much. K20 isn't an option in Australia, there just aren't any floating around. The conversion hardware isn't available here either. To say k20 is the way to go atm is bs.

[Toby]

toby thats including the initial purchase price of the car...12k

oh ok now it makes more sence :P

[blackdc2]

I think to many people here read usa forums to much. K20 isn't an option in Australia, there just aren't any floating around. The conversion hardware isn't available here either. To say k20 is the way to go atm is bs.

hahahahaaha i know one being built right now.....

[carbine]

How much is it costing.
Where can someone with no knowledge get this done.
What model is it going into.
Is the person keeping aircon,ps.

[ALLMTR]

I think to many people here read usa forums to much. K20 isn't an option in Australia, there just aren't any floating around. The conversion hardware isn't available here either. To say k20 is the way to go atm is bs.

K20/24 is the way to go if the conversion is within your capability/budget. B series is the way to go if the conversion is within your capability/budget. To some people, a pod filter is beyond there capability/budget.........

[EG5]

How much is it costing.
Where can someone with no knowledge get this done.
What model is it going into.
Is the person keeping aircon,ps.

Ha sport/place racing bolt on kits for K20 is available for EG/EK/DC.
no ps and no ac ...

[tinkerbell]

my vti-r hit 110kw at the wheels at dynodave's dyno with stock valvetrain and internals. hondata, home made cai, jdm 4-1 header and 2.5" zorst. thats worth maybe 4 grand max...

are you guys including the cost of the motor inthe 20k figure?


yep.

AND labour

compare my 121kW DIY for $8k

and some shop bought 120kW for $15 to $20k

imagine what shops would/could charge to fit a K20 to some dude off the street...

BTW - if anyone wants a K20 fitted to their EG/EK or DC2

i would charge maybe $14'000 (assuming 7000 for front cut and 2000 for Hondata)

that would be my dream conversion - come on guys - who is up for it!!!

[Jim80y]

Someone is already doing it ;)

[CIVIC-R]

Hey im looking at putting a b18c into an ek civic.
How much and what parts will i need to make 120 - 130 fwkw's of unassisted free revving street car fun?

cheers

hey... well if your plannin to spend 20 000 on ur EK... then instead, sell ur EK and ill sell you my car instead. Cause its already all been done. And pushing out about wat u want.... :lol:

[LatinoHatchCrap]

Im making 105 w/kw and Im no where near that 20k figure someone said. Furthermore, my goal is 135-140 w/kw and from what I've budgeted its not gona cost nowhere near 20k. My advice would be to find a mechanic you trust and have a good chat to him or buy a helms and learn how to do bits and pieces yourself. The thruth is that no one can say it costs $xxxxxxx. You may be able to source an engine for a very cheap price lets say and then you source parts from here and there. Another point is that 120w/kw on a b18c (non type R) its not necesseraly such a high milestone to begin to worry about "stressed" engines. geez! by now it should be common knowledge that its not about how much power your putting down its the tuning and quality of your motor that matters. In any case I've done a bit of a breakdown on how much it would cost to get 120w/kw (This are not exact numbers but are pretty dam close):
engine swap: 5-7k, installation 1-1.5K
Hondata+ tuning: 1500+/- (assuming OBDI)
ITR cams+valve train:
1000intake: 200
jdm 4-1 header: 800
high flow cat: 250
exhaust custom: 700
These mods should yield 120w/kw or I'll chop my left nut

[alan]

how many times did u post???

[EXIT]

see what happen when you dont have a left nut.......

[[G]]

its an error with the board..

[tinkerbell]

In any case I've done a bit of a breakdown on how much it would cost to get 120w/kw (This are not exact numbers but are pretty dam close):
engine swap: 5-7k, installation 1-1.5K
Hondata+ tuning: 1500+/- (assuming OBDI)
ITR cams+valve train:
1000intake: 200
jdm 4-1 header: 800
high flow cat: 250
exhaust custom: 700
These mods should yield 120w/kw or I'll chop my left nut

so we are up to about $12,500 already,

plus cam gears & tuning - 750,

plus adjustable FPR - 200,

so we are getting close to the 15k mark (once the inconsequentials are added up...)

so, as some of us have been talking about forged internals, you could budget about $4000 - $5000 for a resleeve and blockwork fitting forged rods and pistons...

so for 19,000 you have a bullet proof 130kW engine.
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LHC - if you goal is 135kW and you are only upto 105kW with 12K, then i think you *might* go over budget... but depends on how cheap you get parts and how cheap you are charged for their installation and subsequent tuning...

[tinkerbell]

PS - you are right that tuning is the key, and that is why you are sitting pretty with Hondata ;)

good luck with the build up!

[pornstar]

but for 20k.... u might as well get to 150kws :)

[tinkerbell]

after all, it is just money...

[pornstar]

yer i mean why spend 17-8 for 120 and not go 2k more for 150? makes no sense

[armak81]

122 kw atw acheived on b18c (dc2 vtir) with:

ITR cams
JG Engine Dynamics valve springs
JG Engine Dynamics adj. cam sprockets
JG Edlebrock Intake Manifold
DC Sports 4-1 header
AEM CAI
AEM Fuel Rail w/ FPR
Tanabe 2.5 inch Catback Exhuast
Gutted cat
Mugen [acronym:a1cc44ff20="Engine Control Unit"]ECU[/acronym:a1cc44ff20]

can't remember the cost

[DynoDave]

Hey im looking at putting a b18c into an ek civic.
How much and what parts will i need to make 120 - 130 fwkw's of unassisted free revving street car fun?

cheers
PM sent

[LatinoHatchCrap]

122 kw atw acheived on b18c (dc2 vtir) with:

ITR cams
JG Engine Dynamics valve springs
JG Engine Dynamics adj. cam sprockets
JG Edlebrock Intake Manifold
DC Sports 4-1 header
AEM CAI
AEM Fuel Rail w/ FPR
Tanabe 2.5 inch Catback Exhuast
Gutted cat
Mugen [acronym:a1cc44ff20="Engine Control Unit"]ECU[/acronym:a1cc44ff20]

can't remember the cost
This sounds about right.