EK vs Eg- both w/ JDM b16

[Leprechaun]

hey guys.. i take it the EG would be lighter and more responsive, but is there a much of a difference? both cars stock, both have a JDM b16, would just like to know would the EG far out perform th EK or are they both decent etc.

[bennjamin]

EG for sure.

[dc2dc2dc2]

comes down to driver. :)

[Q_ball]

Both are nuggets...but yes, as above, driver > rest.

[Leprechaun]

Both are nuggets...but yes, as above, driver > rest.

nuggets as opposed to??.. a type r?? im sure they are... but isn't a b16'd EG pretty darn good for what it is, or is it just over hyped you think?

ok.. say its the same driver.. in my opinion im thinking that you wont notice much of the pull/fun etc in the EK, as you would in the EG, am i right?

[IZY-10]

if the drivers have the same driving abilities then the eg will for sure simply because of the power to weight ratio

[EKVTIR-T]

Ek is too heavy for 1.6l.It should have come with 1.8 to start with.

[dupac->]

i say EK just for the fact that u guys are sayin EG.
lol

[Q_ball]

nuggets as opposed to??.. a type r?? im sure they are... but isn't a b16'd EG pretty darn good for what it is, or is it just over hyped you think?


As opposed to nothing,
I just think that the b16 is overrated/hyped...whatever u want to say.
To do a b16 transplant is pointless in my view as most ppl who do b16 conversions end up wantin a b18 a couple months later.
B18's arent that much more either.

[SiReal]

Rock it stock.

If you want a fast car, get a Holden V8 ;)

My mates 1.5L EG Gli could accelerate faster than my 1.6L EK Gli. He was a better driver, even though he had 100cc less engine than I did.

So just imagine putting the same engine into both cars and by logical reasoning, one can assume the EG would be faster.

[dupac->]

people look too much into b16a. overrated nuggets bla bla..


but i think theyre the best 1.6 motors. ppl dont appreciate them for what they are.. still top motors imo

[G-Stick]

yea b16a is slow. drove my mates ek4 and it was like driving my eg4 gli.

egs rock. 61kws atw!

[Kiz_EG6]

As opposed to nothing,
I just think that the b16 is overrated/hyped...whatever u want to say.
To do a b16 transplant is pointless in my view as most ppl who do b16 conversions end up wantin a b18 a couple months later.
B18's arent that much more either.

Are you kidding me man?!?

For a start, a JDM B16A2 puts down as much kw at the fly as an AUDM B18C , say from a VTIR (125KW)

I HAD an EG with a JDM B16A and, stock to stock it kicked the absolute SHITE out of my DC2R!!
(power to weight, EG: 900kg, 125kw (139kw/tonne), AUDM DC2R 1150kg, 141kw (123kw/tonne)

The only B18 that would be worth putting into an EG would be a B18C7, and for the difference in price you would pay for a halfcut, say $3000 for an EG6, compared with bout $7000 for a DC2R, you may as well boost the B16A if u did the conversion and weren't happy with it!

So anyway, I don't think anyone should pass judgement on this subject until they have owned both!!

[IZY-10]

the only real advantage the b18 has over the b16 is the torque. But then again if your looking for torque go diesel

[xtc_romeo]

ek ftw

[VTAKYO]

Are you kidding me man?!?

For a start, a JDM B16A2 puts down as much kw at the fly as an AUDM B18C , say from a VTIR (125KW)

I HAD an EG with a JDM B16A and, stock to stock it kicked the absolute SHITE out of my DC2R!!
(power to weight, EG: 900kg, 125kw (139kw/tonne), AUDM DC2R 1150kg, 141kw (123kw/tonne)

The only B18 that would be worth putting into an EG would be a B18C7, and for the difference in price you would pay for a halfcut, say $3000 for an EG6, compared with bout $7000 for a DC2R, you may as well boost the B16A if u did the conversion and weren't happy with it!

So anyway, I don't think anyone should pass judgement on this subject until they have owned both!!



au dc2r is 1150kg ?? thought that was the au dc5r

[aimre]

nuggets as opposed to??.. a type r?? im sure they are... but isn't a b16'd EG pretty darn good for what it is, or is it just over hyped you think?



A type R is a nugget. The Only non nugget Honda id the Mugen Legend.
Everything else is, even the s2000, i mean if it had the most power per litre and was a v8 or v6 that that would be great. But no....

[zco]

people look too much into b16a. overrated nuggets bla bla..


but i think theyre the best 1.6 motors. ppl dont appreciate them for what they are.. still top motors imo

and that my friend is why, you were asking me about b20 blocks. -_____-"

[zco]

Are you kidding me man?!?

For a start, a JDM B16A2 puts down as much kw at the fly as an AUDM B18C , say from a VTIR (125KW)

I HAD an EG with a JDM B16A and, stock to stock it kicked the absolute SHITE out of my DC2R!!
(power to weight, EG: 900kg, 125kw (139kw/tonne), AUDM DC2R 1150kg, 141kw (123kw/tonne)

The only B18 that would be worth putting into an EG would be a B18C7, and for the difference in price you would pay for a halfcut, say $3000 for an EG6, compared with bout $7000 for a DC2R, you may as well boost the B16A if u did the conversion and weren't happy with it!

So anyway, I don't think anyone should pass judgement on this subject until they have owned both!!
stop smoking crack. your stock eg does not weigh 900kgs.

[Q_ball]

Are you kidding me man?!?

For a start, a JDM B16A2 puts down as much kw at the fly as an AUDM B18C , say from a VTIR (125KW)

I HAD an EG with a JDM B16A and, stock to stock it kicked the absolute SHITE out of my DC2R!!
(power to weight, EG: 900kg, 125kw (139kw/tonne), AUDM DC2R 1150kg, 141kw (123kw/tonne)

The only B18 that would be worth putting into an EG would be a B18C7, and for the difference in price you would pay for a halfcut, say $3000 for an EG6, compared with bout $7000 for a DC2R, you may as well boost the B16A if u did the conversion and weren't happy with it!

So anyway, I don't think anyone should pass judgement on this subject until they have owned both!!

I dont need to own both to pass judgement,
I've driven both, and theyre both nuggets!
If you seriously think that an EG with a b16 of any sort is a "quick" car, then you've obviously havent driven or experienced quick.

[Kiz_EG6]

stop smoking crack. your stock eg does not weigh 900kgs.

No crack man, EG5, with B16A conversion, at least, that's what vic roads tell us!!

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[Kiz_EG6]

I dont need to own both to pass judgement,
I've driven both, and theyre both nuggets!
If you seriously think that an EG with a b16 of any sort is a "quick" car, then you've obviously havent driven or experienced quick.

I'm DEFINATELY not saying it's a "quick car", but what i am saying is that putting a B18C in will by no means make it a "QUICK" car any more than a B16A would!!

Also, i think that you do need to "own" both, as just driving a mate's down to the local fish and chippy doesn't really give you a true impression of what each is capable of, in their own rights both cars are damn good, even if they don't pull a 10 second quarter!

So what do you drive that makes you so fantastic?

[honda_ek4]

you should consider other factors as well such as:
which car is newer and cleaner?
which car has more space?
which car's interior is nicer?
which car looks better to you?
which car would be more easy to sell in the future?

just get an ek:)
haha

[Q_ball]

I'm DEFINATELY not saying it's a "quick car", but what i am saying is that putting a B18C in will by no means make it a "QUICK" car any more than a B16A would!!

Also, i think that you do need to "own" both, as just driving a mate's down to the local fish and chippy doesn't really give you a true impression of what each is capable of, in their own rights both cars are damn good, even if they don't pull a 10 second quarter!

So what do you drive that makes you so fantastic?

At no point did i say the B18C would make it a quick car,
I merely said that most ppl that transplant b16's are usually disappointed with the outcome, and wish that they went for a b18 instead.

Also, i'd jst like to state that i dont think im fantastic.
Me stating what car i drive (or more so, what i used to drive), bares no meaning on this thread.
If you'd like to know, PM me.

[misteR_bilzz]

anywaysss back to the question...
i think the eg would win probably cause its got a lighter shell, which is why its chosen for most track projects.

[Kiz_EG6]

At no point did i say the B18C would make it a quick car,
I merely said that most ppl that transplant b16's are usually disappointed with the outcome, and wish that they went for a b18 instead.

Also, i'd jst like to state that i dont think im fantastic.
Me stating what car i drive (or more so, what i used to drive), bares no meaning on this thread.
If you'd like to know, PM me.

That's ok man, just curious...

Anyway, so you are saying that someone who is dissapointed in an upgrade from a 55kw, 1300cc carby breeze to a 125kw, 1600cc, would be satisfied if they has spent an extra 3k on top of that to get a jump of an extra few ft lbs?
Not to mention if you upgrade to a B18, then you are putting a 1.8 in a car which only came out in a maximum cubic capacity of 1.6, meaning you would have to also get it engineered!

Again, as i said if you are going to go to this sort of trouble, just spend the 3k running a few pounds of boost through the B16 and you WILL have a FAST car :)

[ZeForce]

For a start, a JDM B16A2 puts down as much kw at the fly as an AUDM B18C , say from a VTIR (125KW)

Just because a JDM B16a has the same peak power as the VTiR B18c doesnt mean it will be anywhere near as quick. You obviously have no idea the roll torque plays in accelerating a car.

[slowly]

hey guys.. i take it the EG would be lighter and more responsive, but is there a much of a difference? both cars stock, both have a JDM b16, would just like to know would the EG far out perform th EK or are they both decent etc.

stick to the question guys!
as eg will perform better but just a bit:thumbsup:

[Kiz_EG6]

Just because a JDM B16a has the same peak power as the VTiR B18c doesnt mean it will be anywhere near as quick. You obviously have no idea the roll torque plays in accelerating a car.


Just because a JDM B16a has the same peak power as the VTiR B18c doesnt mean it will be anywhere near as quick. You obviously have no idea the roll torque plays in accelerating a car.

I understand that, but i still do not believe that the difference is worth the hassle of installing a B18 over a B16, again you have to get this ENGINEERED, if you are going to that hassle why not build a B20VTEC, or, as i have said... BOOST

[SiReal]

He had SIKCVC plates. adds a certain 20% increase in power cos its fully sik uleh.. omg hektik ;)

[e240]

Power to weight ratio better in a EG?

I just got my EG weighed at Eastern Creek, and without the driver, its a porky 1100kgs!

[Benson]

Zeforce is right torque plays a major factor. B18c>b16a. A mate of mine has the same amount of top end power but is much more abundant in the mid-range. Beat me by like 3 cars lengths in 3 gears.

B16a in an EG are fun, but nothing compares it to the b18c7 or b18c.

I dont think the guy in the dc2r can drive. On paper the dc2r should beat EG b16a's.

[thaaznboi]

i currently own an ek4 b16a2 and an eg with a b18c2. if like every1 else has already said same driveing abalities, stock vs stock eg would be that lil bit ahead. but go with a b18c2 if ur already pushing ur budget otherwise c7!!

i'm starting to feel that my eg isn't that fast enuff no more but still keep me happy on the roads with occansional holdens n fords. :D

u alwayz want more then wat you have!

GO the EGz

[ZeForce]

Power to weight ratio better in a EG?

I just got my EG weighed at Eastern Creek, and without the driver, its a porky 1100kgs!

My pervious B16a EG sedan weighed in at 1120kg without driver... If I get a chance I will weigh my current EG hatch to see where it's at, but just from driving it I must say it does feel a hell of a lot lighter.

[dupac->]

Power to weight ratio better in a EG?

I just got my EG weighed at Eastern Creek, and without the driver, its a porky 1100kgs!


1100kg?

lol about 50kgs give or take from the weight of an ek4..

its gonna come down to the driver hanging a dump before they drive the car.

[Kiz_EG6]

He had SIKCVC plates. adds a certain 20% increase in power cos its fully sik uleh.. omg hektik ;)

Yeah, for about a week when i first bought the car, as soon as i had a chance to get to vic roads they were long gone...

[Kiz_EG6]

Zeforce is right torque plays a major factor. B18c>b16a. A mate of mine has the same amount of top end power but is much more abundant in the mid-range. Beat me by like 3 cars lengths in 3 gears.

B16a in an EG are fun, but nothing compares it to the b18c7 or b18c.

I dont think the guy in the dc2r can drive. On paper the dc2r should beat EG b16a's.

Man, don't tell me i can't drive, for a start i am comparing MY experience in both cars, meaning I am driving both!
And, as i stated before, ON PAPER, the EG6 has a far better power to weight figure than the DC.
I understand that more plays a part than just straight HP to weight, things like diff ratio, torque etc, but i still think that these cars are pretty close stock for stock all things cosidered!!

Anyway, back to the subject, even ON paper, a JDM B16A is only 15nm short of an AUDM B18C, again, not really worth having to get an engineer's certificate for, not to mention, you could probably chase 6 or 7 of those nm with a good 4:1 header!!

[Leprechaun]

what simple mods could you do to the EK b16 to improve it on par or to fair better than the EG?

i/h/e i guess??

[Q_ball]

Anyway, back to the subject, even ON paper, a JDM B16A is only 15nm short of an AUDM B18C, again, not really worth having to get an engineer's certificate for, not to mention, you could probably chase 6 or 7 of those nm with a good 4:1 header!!

You keep mentioning this "audm b18c",
You do realise that theres no such thing as an AUDM b18c as the b18c is the jap spec type r motor - and NO stock b16 can beat it for peak power or torque.

The only b18c's which are "audm" is the c2 variant (vtir) and the c7 (type r).

[Kiz_EG6]

You keep mentioning this "audm b18c",
You do realise that theres no such thing as an AUDM b18c as the b18c is the jap spec type r motor - and NO stock b16 can beat it for peak power or torque.

The only b18c's which are "audm" is the c2 variant (vtir) and the c7 (type r).

Considering that i refer to a B18C from a VTiR as AUDM, did you not get the drift that i was referring to a B18C2!!

I understand that there is no AUDM motor stamped as a plain B18C, but i was referring to them as a group, same as referring to a B16A as a paticular motor!
A B18C2 IS an AUDM B18C!!

Anyway, as i have said from the start, i still do not believe that it would be worth the extra 3k you would have to put down to get a JDM DC2R halfcut over an EG6 or simalar!!

This conversation is going around in circles man!

[aimre]

No crack man, EG5, with B16A conversion, at least, that's what vic roads tell us!!

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Dude, i know ur von and plate number, cover it better if u dont want ppl to c

[Jarkz]

EG for sure, it's ligther and better looking...

[kn1ghtm4r3]

^ egs aren't hotter pfft. look at the ek thread y0o lolol we are rocking hard ahah

[dc2dc2dc2]

this is stupid

as stated they are both not the fastest cars in the world
it will 100% come down to driver.

[G-Stick]

egs are good, but eks are better

[kraiye]

this is stupid

as stated they are both not the fastest cars in the world
it will 100% come down to driver.

it's not stupid... why do they have to be DIFFERENT drivers.
what if it was the same driver in both cars one after the other??
you get assured ability.

[hondavti25]

Ek is a hotter looking car dont the EJ8 and EM1 branch of the Ek in style? sexy lookin cars and with the wieght thing if you really wanna go that half second faster and what not buy a wrx or v8

[baeshin]

how much heavier is an ek to an eg anyways?

[kn1ghtm4r3]

isnt it about 80-100kg?

[bennjamin]

just some input -

if you are looking at a B series conversion AIM for a B18c2/c7.

I have run a 14 flat and easy high 13's next time , in a EG with B18c7 (ITR engine). NO mods , STOCK muffler etc. This engine does have good poke for the money :)
You will run mid-high 14's with a B16a STOCK in a EG civic.

[Leprechaun]

Im thinking of settling with a stock b16(JDM) in an EK, any tips to improve its performance, without spending big $$$ should i look to upgrading the headers etc for example? in the mean time i'll search up b16 mods.. cheers

[IZY-10]

Like i stated earlier a eg will beat the ek with the exact same driver as it is lighter

[Leprechaun]

cheeers mate.. Im opting for the EK, as ive had an ED, EG now its time for an EK ahahah..

We have understood the EG will be the faster car, but I plan on slowly modding it.. once i have it all happening i'll be sure to post up some shots..

[defect]

Eg Ftw~!

[Chi]

Ed/ef

[VT1-R]

drove my mates ek4 and it was like driving my eg4 gli.

haha.. nice try..

[G-Stick]

yea ek4s aint that fast, its just torqueless and like VT1-R said it does 'feel' like my old eg4 as well LOL

[NightKids]

I don't know KizEG6 or anything, but I'd like to say that my friend Charles has owned a EG6 SiR and AUDM DC2R and he said that the SiR can beat the DC2R, and I believe him cause his owned both cars.

And on a side note... i test drove a Breeze with a B16A with no power windows and no air con and it was freaken QUICK!

[90LAN]

eg for sure hahahahha
stock for stock .......
a eg breeze with b16 would kill a ek4

[NightKids]

Man i test drove a EK4, and the guy told me to VTEC it. He goes "It feels good yeah ?!?!" And i go "Ummm yeah...." but I couldn't even feel shit. It just made more noise, EK's are too heavy!

[Kiz_EG6]

I don't know KizEG6 or anything, but I'd like to say that my friend Charles has owned a EG6 SiR and AUDM DC2R and he said that the SiR can beat the DC2R, and I believe him cause his owned both cars.

And on a side note... i test drove a Breeze with a B16A with no power windows and no air con and it was freaken QUICK!

Cheers for the backup bro!!
EG6 is tough!!

[defect]

Man i test drove a EK4, and the guy told me to VTEC it. He goes "It feels good yeah ?!?!" And i go "Ummm yeah...." but I couldn't even feel shit. It just made more noise, EK's are too heavy!

haha this happened to me as well when I was test driving a ek1 w/ b16
guy told me to vtec it, I did and he ask me how it felt. haha.. I replied hmm its alright ayee.. haha

[NightKids]

lol yeah I reckon EK's need B18's cause B16 just don't cut it...

[TECBOY]

b16 is a waste of time. even in a light car like a eg they are slow and torqueless. Absolute rubbish

[z3lda]

i concur with TECBOY

torqueless waste of money.

[panda[cRx]]

b20's are better yeh z3lda :)

[z3lda]

b18c > b16 < b20

[NightKids]

Mivec >> B20 << VVTi

[aimre]

turbo

[Kiz_EG6]

b16 is a waste of time. even in a light car like a eg they are slow and torqueless. Absolute rubbish

That's kinda like saying that ur DC2 is a waste of time because you would get better power to weight from ur motor if it was in an EG, therefore a DC2 is "absolute Rubbish"!!

You can't call them absolute rubbish, i do not think the additional .2 of a litre in a B18 is really grounds to bag out a B16!!

Where do you stop, i'm sure anyone who has ever boosted a honda motor thinks N/A is a waste of time, i'm sure anyone who has ever owned a porsche 911 thinks that even looking at a honda is a waste of time (not even going to start on ferraris).

Don't get some f***ing power trip coz you got an extra 200mills capacity in ur engine!!

[Benson]

b16a's are great reving motors.

[z3lda]

That's kinda like saying that ur DC2 is a waste of time because you would get better power to weight from ur motor if it was in an EG, therefore a DC2 is "absolute Rubbish"!!

You can't call them absolute rubbish, i do not think the additional .2 of a litre in a B18 is really grounds to bag out a B16!!

Where do you stop, i'm sure anyone who has ever boosted a honda motor thinks N/A is a waste of time, i'm sure anyone who has ever owned a porsche 911 thinks that even looking at a honda is a waste of time (not even going to start on ferraris).

Don't get some f***ing power trip coz you got an extra 200mills capacity in ur engine!!

i have .4litres over the shithouse b16a

there torqueless huge paper weights

[SLOWEGG]

i have .4litres over the shithouse b16a

there torqueless huge paper weights

Thats why you wack a turbo on the little shit.

[90LAN]

most of the time u are using the head(where the power is made) of a shit house b16a that makes all that torque/power of your b20 setup


i have .4litres over the shithouse b16a

there torqueless huge paper weights

the b16 motor is the pioneer of vtec motors they are the best 1.6 lt motor of all time for power/displacement

[G-Stick]

Thats why you wack a turbo on the little shit.

good call :thumbsup:

[Kiz_EG6]

i have .4litres over the shithouse b16a

there torqueless huge paper weights

What engine do you have?

I can't believe that you are so stupid to bag out a b series motor at all...

Hate to tell you but an LS1 from a crappadore has piles more cubes and torque than ur's, but it still doesn't make me wanna go out and whack one in a civic!!

So you think you are a god with a 2 litre engine you got another thing coming next time you line up to a twin turbo supra!
Again it's all relative and that makes any 2 litre n/a 4cyl look like a piece of shit.
How bout not getting some supremacy complex over a couple of nm and accepting that the B16A is an absolutely fanatstic motor and for a 1.6 litre to have been pumping upwards of 120 kilowatts in the VERY early 90's is abaolutely fantastic, this motor has created a benchmark for manufacturers worldwide and still runs rings around the best of the toyota vvti 4age's and mitsi "mivec" engines!!

[SLOWEGG]

Lol.. chill Kiz EG6.

[TECBOY]

That's kinda like saying that ur DC2 is a waste of time because you would get better power to weight from ur motor if it was in an EG, therefore a DC2 is "absolute Rubbish"!!

You can't call them absolute rubbish, i do not think the additional .2 of a litre in a B18 is really grounds to bag out a B16!!

Where do you stop, i'm sure anyone who has ever boosted a honda motor thinks N/A is a waste of time, i'm sure anyone who has ever owned a porsche 911 thinks that even looking at a honda is a waste of time (not even going to start on ferraris).

Don't get some f***ing power trip coz you got an extra 200mills capacity in ur engine!!


b18 isnt the topic here. Lets get it also clear that im not praising the b18 over the b16. U have jumped to this comclusion. Im not a huge fan of the b18c from a vtir integ either. The b16 is a great engine for what it is however it does not produce enough power to make a very light car like an eg fast. The technology was groundbreaking and all but it still lacks torque. No power trips here mate just ur over sensitive and conclusive train of thoughts. :)

[roar]

eg > ek in a drag due to lighter weight for sure

ek does have a more rigid chassis (due to both design and bcoz its newer) which would have an effect on track...so not sure for that one...

it's like splitting hairs...quicker driver will generally win

[VT1-R]

Ek has a more modern look with a more sexy shape for people who wans some looks and gd power(assuming b16a or above)..

Eg suits the all out track ppl who wants nth but gd power to weight ratio..

I still support EK.. coz i drive 1 and not everything is about racing and who is the fastest.. sometimes u jus wanna enjoy ur driving.. tats it.. nothing else...

[VT1-R]

What engine do you have?

I can't believe that you are so stupid to bag out a b series motor at all...

Hate to tell you but an LS1 from a crappadore has piles more cubes and torque than ur's, but it still doesn't make me wanna go out and whack one in a civic!!

So you think you are a god with a 2 litre engine you got another thing coming next time you line up to a twin turbo supra!
Again it's all relative and that makes any 2 litre n/a 4cyl look like a piece of shit.
How bout not getting some supremacy complex over a couple of nm and accepting that the B16A is an absolutely fanatstic motor and for a 1.6 litre to have been pumping upwards of 120 kilowatts in the VERY early 90's is abaolutely fantastic, this motor has created a benchmark for manufacturers worldwide and still runs rings around the best of the toyota vvti 4age's and mitsi "mivec" engines!!

i cant help but agree.. b16 is a fantastic motor in the 90s and till now it still kicks some ass..have some respect for the b16.. without them, your extra 0.4 litre of displacement would not exist in the first place.

[NightKids]

Yeah some people seem to have forgotten that before the Type R it was the SiR's tearing up the road.

[Kiz_EG6]

Yeah some people seem to have forgotten that before the Type R it was the SiR's tearing up the road.

Here ya buddy!! :)

[bennjamin]

i cant help but agree.. b16 is a fantastic motor in the 90s and till now it still kicks some ass..have some respect for the b16.. without them, your extra 0.4 litre of displacement would not exist in the first place.

the b16a came out in 89 in the EF8/EF9 and DA8/DA9 - Yes imo the SiR's are what honda is all about.

[kraiye]

Ek has a more modern look with a more sexy shape for people who wans some looks and gd power(assuming b16a or above)..

Eg suits the all out track ppl who wants nth but gd power to weight ratio..

I still support EK.. coz i drive 1 and not everything is about racing and who is the fastest.. sometimes u jus wanna enjoy ur driving.. tats it.. nothing else...

I went EK cause it's got airbag
lol
:cool:

[90LAN]

so do 95 model egs too mate !


I went EK cause it's got airbag
lol
:cool:

[NightKids]

Yeap that's right, my car has airbag

[kraiye]

:(
kraiye = n00b

[VT1-R]

the b16a came out in 89 in the EF8/EF9 and DA8/DA9 - Yes imo the SiR's are what honda is all about.



haha.. true it came out in 1989.. when i was born.. haha.. but it really kick more ass in the 90s.. in the 80s they only had a year.. haha.. thanks for correction...

one thing all honda owners should have.. mutual respect.. once we break it.. all hell break lose.. even a 1.3 civic breeze with big body kit wants to race a Integra DC2-R.. whahahhaha!!..

the point is Ek or Eg.. its up to preference of owners and its use.. its equally good in general.