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slowly
08-08-2007, 12:05 AM
is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?
just quoted hong kong sell a RR for HKD 400000(on road) , if change to australia dollars is 60000 will you buy one???
http://images.paultan.org/images/Honda-Civic-Mugen-RR-1.jpg

andiiso
08-08-2007, 12:29 AM
i WOULD !!! price for the enthuasm (cant spell it) not really for whats it worth, i would just buy it because its the RR not because of what the things in it are worth.

d15z1SUX
08-08-2007, 12:46 AM
i would if i had the dosh. would sure be a whole lot better than my eg sedan haha. mm new car.

slipangle
08-08-2007, 08:12 AM
Yes, I would buy it (new) for 60K.

It's only the same price as an EVO or STi, and I certainly don't rate either of those two any more accomplished than a CTR or Mugen RR.

destrukshn
08-08-2007, 08:14 AM
60k for a civic?
no.
lol.

jeffske
08-08-2007, 08:53 AM
60k for a civic?
no.
lol.

^agreed, 60k id rather get a 2nd hand Audi TT (gen 2)

cristian
08-08-2007, 08:57 AM
60k could get me an 2nd hand evo7 plus plenty of money to put into it...

turbo convert
08-08-2007, 10:33 AM
unique!!!!!:wave:
thats the way to go

Hullabaloo
08-08-2007, 10:37 AM
it's expensive, but I'm not sure about "too" expensive. A guy in South Australia imported a mid engined v6 clio for about 130k... sure it's rare as (only one in Australia?) but I don't know if it's worth that much...

I say hold out, there's that other thread which talks about us getting the sedan type r...

aaronng
08-08-2007, 10:53 AM
^agreed, 60k id rather get a 2nd hand Audi TT (gen 2)

:). No thanks on the TT.

SiReal
08-08-2007, 10:58 AM
thats a deposit for a house in inner melbourne. deposit > 60K overpriced civic

destrukshn
08-08-2007, 11:08 AM
unique!!!!!:wave:
thats the way to go
still a no for me.
lol.
in the end, overall, it's got good performance and handling, but would you really want to spend 60k on a civic? i'd rather a s2k.
lol.

slipangle
08-08-2007, 11:35 AM
it's expensive, but I'm not sure about "too" expensive. A guy in South Australia imported a mid engined v6 clio for about 130k... sure it's rare as (only one in Australia?) but I don't know if it's worth that much...

I say hold out, there's that other thread which talks about us getting the sedan type r...

Funnily enough, I was thinking about the Clio V6 when someone else mentioned about relating the cost of a car to where the mainstream model is placed in the product line-up (in this case, on the lower end of the scale with the Civic).

The Clio, upon which the V6 is originally based, could also be accused of "just being a Clio", however, if you look at the changes they've had to make to that car, and I know first-hand from talking to the Renault UK product manager that the cost to make those cars and offer them in the UK at £25k (approx AUD$60ish at today's rate) did not make Renaultsport much money at all, so from a consumer's perspective, value wise, although it's "a lot of money for a Clio", arguably you got more for your dollar/pound than in something where the manufacturer has priced in a premium for "perceived" value (Ferrari anyone?).

Having said all that, $130AUD for a Clio V6 doesn't make much sense at all!, but that is partly a regulatory issue with taxes, duties etc. Some people spend that much on paint jobs, chroming, stickers and other things to make them feel unique.

I have no problem spending $60k on "a Civic" if I can see what value I'm getting in return.

btw, can you point me to where you found out about the Clio V6 in SA?

aaronng
08-08-2007, 11:41 AM
I've seen the Clio V6 in France, while it looks like a monster, it's not a fast car. If I was in a different country, there are many other cars that are worth importing for that amount of money.

Hullabaloo
08-08-2007, 11:44 AM
http://users.on.net/~murcod/RSC/Clio%20V6/
found out about the car through the blue 182 cup F1 owner in the pics.

but yeah.. 60k for a mugen rr... hmmm how much would it cost to get it on the road here?

for arguments sake if you could get it for 60k on road, and the jap spec sedan civic r gets sold here would it still be worth it?

I agree with most other people, there are better things you could do with the money... house deposit or a better car for that price... myself? i'd probably go with a second hand evo (I need a boot).

slipangle
08-08-2007, 11:48 AM
I've seen the Clio V6 in France, while it looks like a monster, it's not a fast car. If I was in a different country, there are many other cars that are worth importing for that amount of money.

Yeah, they are not that fast in absolute terms. But they do have unique handling attributes and are brilliant fun. Yes, I have driven one in anger!.

Hulla, thanks for the link

aaronng
08-08-2007, 11:59 AM
The most fun and scary part is the engine being less than 1m away from your head. LOL

turbo convert
08-08-2007, 12:03 PM
still a no for me.
lol.
in the end, overall, it's got good performance and handling, but would you really want to spend 60k on a civic? i'd rather a s2k.
lol.

why buy a honda at all if not to be diffrent!
example why sepnd 15k on a civic or teg or anything when you can drive a 180sx or r32.
its to be diffrent imo.
each to there own.
i wouldn't buy one personally,as staed 60k = house deposit, but if your rich why not!

destrukshn
08-08-2007, 12:10 PM
because hondas are more reliable than nissans?
lol

hinezz
08-08-2007, 12:13 PM
nuts. i'd rather do a EG-K project! it would be even more NUTS! if the below line is spending $60k on a civic!

tct
08-08-2007, 12:18 PM
eg-k boosteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SiReal
08-08-2007, 12:18 PM
Civic - $20K base car.

Civic Mugen RR - $40K more for a few extra KW, bodykit, some tuning works. Sheeet

aaronng
08-08-2007, 12:28 PM
Civic - $20K base car.

Civic Mugen RR - $40K more for a few extra KW, bodykit, some tuning works. Sheeet

Nah, you should compare it like this:
Civic Type R ~$50k
Mugen RR - $10k more for kit, suspension and bling.

Kiz_EG6
08-08-2007, 12:45 PM
... so hang on will 60 have it here, that's just on the road in Hong Kong, correct me if i'm wrong but what bout compliance (though i doubt you could get 1), tariffs, etc?!?

60k if you are only going to track it or something.
I personally think you would be better boosting a new civic type r if you want that look!!

turbo convert
08-08-2007, 01:04 PM
because hondas are more reliable than nissans?
lol

agrree with you there that was my reason for purchasing a honda, but your says in s2k for me if i had the money i would buy the civic RR cause its 4 door!
but i dont have 60k and prob could never justify it on a car anyways:thumbdwn:

MKI4EVA
08-08-2007, 01:04 PM
still the RR looks the bizzo............

and for anyone with spoon socks that say they won't fork out $60K for the RR your in denial...........hahhahaha.

jeffske
08-08-2007, 01:09 PM
:). No thanks on the TT.

it may not have function but it has plenty of form

CTR Coupe
08-08-2007, 01:40 PM
I think if you viewed it as a collectors item (only 300 being made supposedly) then it is probably worth the 60,000 price tag, however viewing it as a every day car theres alot more better value cars on the market.
as hot as it is for a daily driven car its too expensive.

I would buy one if i had the money to let it sit in the garage and only come out on sunny weekends six times a year.

P.S i would say it would be closer to 75,000 by the time you imported it and payed duty, GST etc on it

VTi-R Civic
08-08-2007, 01:51 PM
60k for a civic?
no.
lol.

I'll second that.

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 01:52 PM
60K lol
fark that's a brand new EVO 9 or STI with quite alot of options on it

slipangle
08-08-2007, 02:01 PM
I don't subscribe to the view that because the EVO and STi are (probably) faster, that they are actually better and a step above the FD2R or Mugen RR.

They are different, but it's not a given that should you wish to move on to something "better", the EVO or STi are default choices in the 60K bracket. They have their pros and cons, and if you were to make an argument for involvement and driver appeal, neither of the latter could be said that they would decisively trump the FD2R or Mugen RR.

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 02:17 PM
I don't subscribe to the view that because the EVO and STi are (probably) faster, that they are actually better and a step above the FD2R or Mugen RR.

They are different, but it's not a given that should you wish to move on to something "better", the EVO or STi are default choices in the 60K bracket. They have their pros and cons, and if you were to make an argument for involvement and driver appeal, neither of the latter could be said that they would decisively trump the FN2R or Mugen RR.

funny that..if the mugen RR was released for 60K i would not touch it
i've test driven a FD2R and it was not that great. went pretty well stopped well. but lacked overall drivability.. refinement was great for a new car.. but just doesnt cut it for me i would not pay 41K driveaway for a FWD car
if u look at bang for bucks.. it's not the best.
we may love our hondas but theres better cars for the same price

dc2dc2dc2
08-08-2007, 02:19 PM
evo or sti ftwps

aaronng
08-08-2007, 03:04 PM
];1287548']funny that..if the mugen RR was released for 60K i would not touch it
i've test driven a FD2R and it was not that great. went pretty well stopped well. but lacked overall drivability.. refinement was great for a new car.. but just doesnt cut it for me i would not pay 41K driveaway for a FWD car
if u look at bang for bucks.. it's not the best.
we may love our hondas but theres better cars for the same price

Where did you test drive it?!

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 03:06 PM
shut up miss typo FD2R

JasonGilholme
08-08-2007, 03:13 PM
60 grand would make my CRX faster then any Civic RR lol. I'd probably have some left over for a different car as well lol

xenfacta
08-08-2007, 03:15 PM
why buy a honda at all if not to be diffrent!
example why sepnd 15k on a civic or teg or anything when you can drive a 180sx or r32.
its to be diffrent imo.


insurance cost?
fuel economy?
attention from thieves/cops?

for me it was value for money... not many cars in the honda range are that different.. especially not now..

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 03:22 PM
where talking about performance cars here not fuel efficient cars

aaronng
08-08-2007, 03:23 PM
];1287646']shut up miss typo FD2R

So is it FD2R or FN2R? hehehe.

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 03:30 PM
So is it FD2R or FN2R? hehehe.

read my first post FN2R already edited it lol

aaronng
08-08-2007, 03:51 PM
Oops, missed that. Dammit, if you knew someone who had an FD2R for track use only, that would have been great.

I'd pick FD2R over any AUDM EVO since it can do Suzuka quicker than a JDM EVO VI.

Drew
08-08-2007, 06:52 PM
^agreed, 60k id rather get a 2nd hand Audi TT (gen 2)

I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than buy an Audi TT

slipangle
08-08-2007, 09:25 PM
];1287548']funny that..if the mugen RR was released for 60K i would not touch it
i've test driven a FD2R and it was not that great. went pretty well stopped well. but lacked overall drivability.. refinement was great for a new car.. but just doesnt cut it for me i would not pay 41K driveaway for a FWD car
if u look at bang for bucks.. it's not the best.
we may love our hondas but theres better cars for the same price

I'm confused. You edited my quote to change my reference to the FD2R to be FN2R in your post. btw, what makes you think that an FWD is largely inferior to a 4WD car, and not worthy of commanding a pricetag > 40k?

I concur that I wouldn't even pay 35 for an FN2R, but would be willing to pay up to 50 for an FD2R, and back on topic, I'd also pay 60 for a Mugen RR.

d15z1SUX
08-08-2007, 09:35 PM
what was the lap time the RR put down at tsukuba? 1:05 or 1:06?

jeffske
08-08-2007, 09:59 PM
I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than buy an Audi TT

why so much hate on the TT?
http://www.autoblog.it/uploads/050118audiTT2502_n.jpg

[[d a n n y]]
08-08-2007, 10:57 PM
I'm confused. You edited my quote to change my reference to the FD2R to be FN2R in your post. btw, what makes you think that an FWD is largely inferior to a 4WD car, and not worthy of commanding a pricetag > 40k?

I concur that I wouldn't even pay 35 for an FN2R, but would be willing to pay up to 50 for an FD2R, and back on topic, I'd also pay 60 for a Mugen RR.

lol sorry mate i wrote it as soon as i woke up..
anyways we seem to have the same opinion i would not pay over 30K for 40K for a civic. i do not believe a FWD car is inferior to a 4WD on the track. but..for the 60K estimated price tag i will buy a EVO 9 or STi over the 60K civic.
on the track the JDM civic would definately be a good drive. but in the real world and evo or sti would be quicker everywhere. ( real world as in sydney melb roads)
well thats my opinion...
in the real world FWD just doesnt do it bumpy shity roads loss of traction etc
sorry for the editing mate i didnt mean to lol

6ary
09-08-2007, 02:59 AM
I rather buy a FN2R and use the rest for mods - LSD, I/H/E/cams, tuning. I'm pretty sure you would get something close to a FD2R's performance minus the common aesthetic looks of a FD2.

IAMVTEC
09-08-2007, 03:11 AM
RR>>>>> ur evo and sti

all are based on economy car but rr by far the rarest

IAMVTEC
09-08-2007, 03:13 AM
why so much hate on the TT?
http://www.autoblog.it/uploads/050118audiTT2502_n.jpg

girly poser car. the people that drive one are usually dickheads.

Illegal
09-08-2007, 04:01 AM
in the U.S. The audi tt is a joke. Slow as hell. i just worked on one as well installing a system, and they are put together cheap as well.

m0nty ITR
09-08-2007, 07:13 AM
Nah, you should compare it like this:
Civic Type R ~$50k
Mugen RR - $10k more for kit, suspension and bling.

Don't think it's that simple. It sounds like it's 60k just to get it here. Then he's gotta compliance, blue slip and engineer and finally register it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on the high side of $80k once done. Has anyone ever imported an FD2? The best thing to do is get in touch with someone who has already and know what you're up for.

bennjamin
09-08-2007, 10:41 AM
dosent it make sense to "modify" the current civi sedan with a K20 conversion and suspension work - for FAR less than $60k ?

You guys are taking this " JDM FTW !" thing way too far

180sx
09-08-2007, 11:01 AM
60K ...... hmmmm .... how about a Vspec GTR34 ?

bennjamin
09-08-2007, 11:06 AM
60K ...... hmmmm .... how about a Vspec GTR34 ?

how about an evo ? or STi ? or anything really...the JDM CTR isnt that quick or special in anyway....

wait...

it IS JDM , which this thread is about lol.

destrukshn
09-08-2007, 11:07 AM
60K ...... hmmmm .... how about a Vspec GTR34 ?
heres a thinker right here guys.
=)
lol.

aaronng
09-08-2007, 01:17 PM
Don't think it's that simple. It sounds like it's 60k just to get it here. Then he's gotta compliance, blue slip and engineer and finally register it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on the high side of $80k once done. Has anyone ever imported an FD2? The best thing to do is get in touch with someone who has already and know what you're up for.

Haha, I was just comparing RRP. Because you CANNOT import an FD2 into Australia unless it is a private import.

aaronng
09-08-2007, 01:17 PM
60K ...... hmmmm .... how about a Vspec GTR34 ?

Stock, it is a slow car.

mpd076-chuck
09-08-2007, 01:57 PM
Stock, it is a slow car.

To be on topic, 60K is too much to me for an FD2R, I think 50K is probably the maximum I wouldn want to spend on it.

To be off topic, by what measures do you classify the R34 GTR as slow? I always thought it was reasonably quick, approx 5 sec 0-100 and supposed sub 8 minute nurburgring. cheers. :thumbsup:

m0nty ITR
09-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Haha, I was just comparing RRP. Because you CANNOT import an FD2 into Australia unless it is a private import.

Yeah I got that. :thumbsup:

So in order to get one you need to buy in Japan, register in Japan, deregister (laws on residing in Japan apply for private import????) and then ship here to then get car engineered. I certainly couldn't be arsed into importing one. Just get a local release and K20a and get aftermarket parts. You'd prtobably end up with a better car anyway.

MKI4EVA
09-08-2007, 04:20 PM
To be on topic, 60K is too much to me for an FD2R, I think 50K is probably the maximum I wouldn want to spend on it.

To be off topic, by what measures do you classify the R34 GTR as slow? I always thought it was reasonably quick, approx 5 sec 0-100 and supposed sub 8 minute nurburgring. cheers. :thumbsup:

60K for the RR chucks.........

I'd hit it........but would need a loan of $59K :cool:

aaronng
09-08-2007, 04:45 PM
To be on topic, 60K is too much to me for an FD2R, I think 50K is probably the maximum I wouldn want to spend on it.

To be off topic, by what measures do you classify the R34 GTR as slow? I always thought it was reasonably quick, approx 5 sec 0-100 and supposed sub 8 minute nurburgring. cheers. :thumbsup:

The FD2R is faster than the R34 GTR, EVO VI RS, RX-7 RS and NSX Type S on Suzuka. And Suzuka is not a tight and slow track.

Was in a stock R34 GTR Vspec last month. It was slow. 0-100km/h times are not an indication of a fast car. It's an indication of a car with good traction. :)

aaronng
09-08-2007, 04:46 PM
Yeah I got that. :thumbsup:

So in order to get one you need to buy in Japan, register in Japan, deregister (laws on residing in Japan apply for private import????) and then ship here to then get car engineered. I certainly couldn't be arsed into importing one. Just get a local release and K20a and get aftermarket parts. You'd prtobably end up with a better car anyway.

You have to prove that you lived in japan for 12 months as well.

qstoria
09-08-2007, 04:47 PM
60k for a civic?
no.
lol.

why not? 60k for an 'impreza' or a 'lancer' if thats your way of thinking?

mpd076-chuck
09-08-2007, 05:47 PM
60K for the RR chucks.........

I'd hit it........but would need a loan of $59K :cool:

Are you the golf owner that I think you are? :wave:

Sorry with it now - RR. Na wouldnt pay 60K anyway. Combined we only need 58K loan :p

That the FD2R is faster around Suzuka than R34 really is something else.

aaronng
09-08-2007, 06:32 PM
Yup, I was surprised that it was so quick on a high speed track.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3727/fd2rym8.jpg

[[d a n n y]]
09-08-2007, 06:35 PM
would u like CTR or a R34 GTR for the same price?
plus we are talking track here..
is the public road a race track?
the CTR maybe faster than the above cars in the race track in the real world with bumps and terrible road broken traction roads. it'll be a different story.

mpd076-chuck
09-08-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm not that keen on exploiting track speeds on the road, so it would be fine by me, but I understand your point there Danny.

I just love that Honda still build a car for the track, that's what drew me to DC2R in the first place, from Skyline's that really needed some mods to feel as comfortable on the track. (DC2R not fastest track car, but it just takes a track beating so well)

slipangle
09-08-2007, 07:35 PM
To be on topic, 60K is too much to me for an FD2R, I think 50K is probably the maximum I wouldn want to spend on it.

To be off topic, by what measures do you classify the R34 GTR as slow? I always thought it was reasonably quick, approx 5 sec 0-100 and supposed sub 8 minute nurburgring. cheers. :thumbsup:

60K - Mugen RR

BTW, I'd be surprised if a standard R34 GT-R (as in the 99-01 cars now selling for $60k here) is a sub 8 minute Nurburgring car (maybe a later Nur-spec or Z-tune is). Even the much quoted "first" sub 8 minutes record for the R33 GT-R was not representative as that car was far from standard. IIRC it was virtually N1 spec with semi-slicks.

The first true, off the production line car to officially sub 8 minutes at the 'Ring was the 996 GT3 Mk1.

Nevertheless, an R34 GT-R is a reasonably quick car, would no doubt offer different sensations to a Mugen RR.

180sx
09-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Yup, I was surprised that it was so quick on a high speed track.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3727/fd2rym8.jpg

did u find that Bestmotoring and SS it for this thread ??? i LOL if u did haha

mpd076-chuck
09-08-2007, 07:52 PM
Sorry with it now - RR. Na wouldnt pay 60K anyway.



The first true, off the production line car to officially sub 8 minutes at the 'Ring was the 996 GT3 Mk1..

Well that writes off a bog stock 99-01 R34 being sub 8 minutes. There is no way it is the equal of a MK1 GT3. But yes the R34 would still be great fun.

As for the BM pic, aaronng is the king of BM! :) (well he at least understands some if it, unlike me... )

With all this talk of nurburging, here is a snippet from an email that just arrived from a good mate who just drove it...
- I had an E36 M3 race car (on R spec tyres) for the session, and managed 6 full driving laps along with an initial sighting lap... The sighting lap was fantastic with Theo's diesel Golf taking on and passing many faster cars. The two main impressions from the sighting lap were how slippery/scary it was (it was spotty rain all day, and Theo was sliding a lot) and how often Theo was touching/adjusting braking as cambers/crests/wet patches meant you couldn't drive it like a regular track (much more like a SUPER FAST targa stage)
- The 6th lap was fine again as there was a dry line, but the biggest thing that stood out was that the faster you go, and more comfortable you are, the more challenging the track becomes. Simple braking zones become too short because of a crest, corners that linked up nicely no longer do so, turn in points disappear because wheels are off the ground, you have to start changing direction while still exiting a bend. This is really an incredible piece of road!!
- On track...got taken at warp speed by an Orange Gallardo being driven very well. It caught me, passed me, and was out of sight within about 5 corners. I caught, passed, and blasted into the weeds, a Winnebago and a transit van!
the "average interest level" of every car on the road here is so high. Probably every second car you see on the road is interesting. So many GT porsches and BMW M cars, you stop noticing them. Heaps of Lotus' too, even a Mk1Exige with a Honda engine, owned by an Italian guy (who spoke no english) but had just done 450km on track at Spa

slipangle
09-08-2007, 08:17 PM
Nurburgring = petrolhead heaven. Seriously, that place has magic wafting around in the air!

BTW, the FD2R has undergone development at the Nurburgring (if you believe what other ppl have written) like all accomplished cars should!

UNLS1
09-08-2007, 08:23 PM
lol 60 to import a a 170kw front wheel drive civic

what the hell have u people been smoking??? lol

slipangle
09-08-2007, 08:28 PM
smoking? petrol sniffing :)

seriously, if you ever spend much time trying to balance on the tightrope between grip and slip, a proper Type R (or something like a RR cut from the same cloth) is a well resolved driver's instrument, FF or not!.

aaronng
09-08-2007, 08:37 PM
did u find that Bestmotoring and SS it for this thread ??? i LOL if u did haha

Didn't need to find it. I have it screen capped from a previous discussion on the FD2R.

MKI4EVA
09-08-2007, 09:51 PM
lol 60 to import a a 170kw front wheel drive civic

what the hell have u people been smoking??? lol


it's not what we've been smoking, it's more what honda australia hasn't been smoking is more the question :thumbsup:

JDM.Power
09-08-2007, 10:28 PM
audi tt = bad

with 60k, r32 gtr + mods = :D :D :D :D

code-87
09-08-2007, 10:36 PM
i seen a car like this yesterday
i was wondering if its the mugen one
it drove past me, red new civic type r definately
it was hot, different looking but its grown on me already
for 60k tho i'd buy something else, but each to ur own
the thread starter asked if 60k was to much for it...if u have 60k and don't see anyfing else u like or is better value then it's probably not for u
but a very unique car

m0nty ITR
09-08-2007, 10:47 PM
i seen a car like this yesterday
i was wondering if its the mugen one
it drove past me, red new civic type r definately
it was hot, different looking but its grown on me already
for 60k tho i'd buy something else, but each to ur own
the thread starter asked if 60k was to much for it...if u have 60k and don't see anyfing else u like or is better value then it's probably not for u
but a very unique car

It wouldn't have been a genuine FD2R. I don't think anyone has brought one out here yet. :confused:

aaronng
09-08-2007, 11:10 PM
i seen a car like this yesterday
i was wondering if its the mugen one
it drove past me, red new civic type r definately
it was hot, different looking but its grown on me already
for 60k tho i'd buy something else, but each to ur own
the thread starter asked if 60k was to much for it...if u have 60k and don't see anyfing else u like or is better value then it's probably not for u
but a very unique car

You saw the FN2R. That one is nothing like this FD2R. :)

For starters, the FD2R has 165kW vs the FN2R's 148kW. Next, the FD2R has 4-pot Brembos at the front and suspension height sensors to sense nose-dive when braking hard. :)

bennjamin
09-08-2007, 11:15 PM
its also highly possible that someone has fitted extras to a local new civic sedan , to make it look like the JDM CTR.
Rear wing + body kit + wheels = instant CTR lol

m0nty ITR
09-08-2007, 11:16 PM
its also highly possible that someone has fitted extras to a local new civic sedan , to make it look like the JDM CTR.
Rear wing + body kit + wheels = instant CTR lol

So you're saying all those Excels with bonnet scoops weren't turbocharged with coolers bolted on top?

I feel cheated now. :p

bennjamin
09-08-2007, 11:18 PM
So you're saying all those Excels with bonnet scoops weren't turbocharged with coolers bolted on top?

I feel cheated now. :p

No , seriously :)
Same way local EK's have been using EK9 body parts n kits for years now. Looks the same from the outside :)

code-87
09-08-2007, 11:20 PM
owww ok guys thanx for that
kind of seeing it in passing, i thinks it was a real type r tho
didn't look kitted up tho(not fake or anyfin)
real eye catcher tho

m0nty ITR
09-08-2007, 11:23 PM
There's the FD2R and the FN2R. The FD2 is the JDM sedan which we don't get here in Type R form. We get the VTI and Sport. The FN2 is the EU CTR. It's a fairly "unique" looking car and very love or hate in it's styling. We get the equivalent of the GT version in the UK. The GT has rain sensing wipers, auto headlights and other stuff that doesn't belong on a Type R. :p

aaronng
09-08-2007, 11:52 PM
its also highly possible that someone has fitted extras to a local new civic sedan , to make it look like the JDM CTR.
Rear wing + body kit + wheels = instant CTR lol

I don't think the new Civic comes in red though.

Vinnie
09-08-2007, 11:56 PM
hmm for that price you could just about get urself an r34 gtr. i know wat ide be getting :p

code-87
10-08-2007, 12:00 AM
I don't think the new Civic comes in red though.

the car i seen was definately red, it looked very similar(atleast very similar front bar to the mugen pic on this site) just thought they were one in the same car
but the one i seen was red
first new gen civic ive seen, or rather that ive noticed
really made me snap my neck to see it

aaronng
10-08-2007, 12:05 AM
the car i seen was definately red, it looked very similar(atleast very similar front bar to the mugen pic on this site) just thought they were one in the same car
but the one i seen was red
first new gen civic ive seen, or rather that ive noticed
really made me snap my neck to see it

Was it this one?
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/resources/image/468c5374a3e06bc0/car_civicgalleryext06.jpg

Or this one?
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/resources/image/4686a3002931dfc0/gallery_ext_04.jpg

marcus
10-08-2007, 01:51 PM
i rather get a r34

ludecrs
10-08-2007, 02:09 PM
for $60K, I'd much rather a used NSX-T.

UNLS1
10-08-2007, 02:31 PM
it's not what we've been smoking, it's more what honda australia hasn't been smoking is more the question :thumbsup:


lol ill be at honda aus in melb next tues, ill take some green and tell them to smoke it so we can get some r sedans!:thumbsup:

Chris_typer
10-08-2007, 10:20 PM
Well if there going to decide to bring the sedan's to Aus im assuming they won't bring them for atleast another year, because if they bring them to early it will just kill the consumer market for the CTR's. Although they recon there selling pretty good the CTR's so maybe it would only have a minor effect.

aaronng
10-08-2007, 10:28 PM
for $60K, I'd much rather a used NSX-T.

Yeah, you'll be getting crap like this for $60k.
http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/dealer/HONDA/NSX/details.aspx?Model=NSX&__Nne=20&__N=4294965322+0+4294964914++834+285+258+287&Make=HONDA&RegionID=&State=All%20States&silo=1000&state_id=0&distance=25&Cr=0&seot=0&__sid=10F39998FA38&R=1521003&__Ns=pCar_StatusSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|0&Region=All%20Regions&trecs=2

Good nick NSX-Ts are still above 80k.

X8TEENX
11-08-2007, 05:29 AM
i would go for it if i had the money, and it's limited!!!

m0nty ITR
11-08-2007, 07:52 AM
Yeah, you'll be getting crap like this for $60k.
http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/dealer/HONDA/NSX/details.aspx?Model=NSX&__Nne=20&__N=4294965322+0+4294964914++834+285+258+287&Make=HONDA&RegionID=&State=All%20States&silo=1000&state_id=0&distance=25&Cr=0&seot=0&__sid=10F39998FA38&R=1521003&__Ns=pCar_StatusSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|0&Region=All%20Regions&trecs=2

Good nick NSX-Ts are still above 80k.

EWWWWW. 4 speed auto. I had no idea they even did that on the NSX. Could it be even worse than the auto RX8?

marcus
11-08-2007, 01:06 PM
do u guys reckon that the prices of cars say import taxes and other form of taxes will drop if aust signs a fta with japan???

aaronng
11-08-2007, 01:21 PM
EWWWWW. 4 speed auto. I had no idea they even did that on the NSX. Could it be even worse than the auto RX8?

Similar. On the new models, the auto gets the old 1991 3.0L engine, while the manuals get the new 3.2L. :)

steve88
12-08-2007, 01:27 AM
$60k isnt worth it for a civic i could get a second hand SLK for that

aaronng
12-08-2007, 01:55 AM
$60k isnt worth it for a civic i could get a second hand SLK for that
SLK 230s are piss slow. If you are talking SLK320s, those are nice, but $$$.

steve88
12-08-2007, 01:59 AM
yeah but i like my luxury cars more than speed =)

m0nty ITR
12-08-2007, 08:34 AM
There's not much luxurious about a 5-7 year old SLK. Only the badge and servicing costs. A new Civic would drive 10x better. The advancements made in cars over that time is huge. Not only in performance, but also comfort.

Setanta
12-08-2007, 09:03 AM
60K for a Civic? hahahahahaha

m0nty ITR
12-08-2007, 09:10 AM
60K for a Civic? hahahahahaha

Aren't we forgetting though that if the FD2R were on sale here we'd spend close to that to add the Mugen mods to the car anyway? The STi only has a slight increase in performance over the WRX anyway. The JDM FD2R has Brembos much like the AUDM STi and different styling. I think the only thing that would hold up the FD2R for our market would be RTA requirements about noise and emissions.

I think the car would have potential in the enthusiast market, but only if they replaced the FN2R with the FD2R. It'd be no different to the WRX/STi or GTI/R32 scenario. Both those cars have proven that there is a market for a higher end model. We all know the Civic is a much better built car than the WRX so why couldn't it work?

350G
12-08-2007, 07:27 PM
well, ppl paying $40k+ for the ugly UK ctr. Just 1Xk more for a Mugen built ctr is worth every dollar. Also it is one of the kind on road.

Setanta
13-08-2007, 12:21 AM
Aren't we forgetting though that if the FD2R were on sale here we'd spend close to that to add the Mugen mods to the car anyway? The STi only has a slight increase in performance over the WRX anyway. The JDM FD2R has Brembos much like the AUDM STi and different styling. I think the only thing that would hold up the FD2R for our market would be RTA requirements about noise and emissions.

I think the car would have potential in the enthusiast market, but only if they replaced the FN2R with the FD2R. It'd be no different to the WRX/STi or GTI/R32 scenario. Both those cars have proven that there is a market for a higher end model. We all know the Civic is a much better built car than the WRX so why couldn't it work?

No

It's a Civic.

I'd never bolt all that shit on

It's a Civic

Civic /= 60K

In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.

Its a Civic

'nuff said

BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me :D

Vinnie
13-08-2007, 01:03 AM
i think the thing is the 'mugen' element adds a lot of $$$ (like AMG does to mercs) when similar parts/gains can be made aftermarket for much cheaper... at the end of the day i rekon the prob would be that its performance would just not be able to stack up against the evo's and sti's which it would be compared to.

[[d a n n y]]
13-08-2007, 03:34 AM
i think the thing is the 'mugen' element adds a lot of $$$ (like AMG does to mercs) when similar parts/gains can be made aftermarket for much cheaper... at the end of the day i rekon the prob would be that its performance would just not be able to stack up against the evo's and sti's which it would be compared to.

seriosuly
people who can afford a 60K car arent young people.
for 60K u can get alot of cars.
the market isnt that big for the mugen RR
only within the honda community.
60K.....
too much..

1kmodem
13-08-2007, 08:00 AM
Hi All,

The CTR sedan is only $31000 AUD full optioned, in Japan. While the base CTR sedan is $29000 AUD, it cost $10,000 AUD to import which includes all the gst, freight, compliance etc etc. So around $40,000 for a CTR sedan not Mugen RR, thats the same price as the Hatch. I would personally pick the sedan over the hatch.

Is Aus ever going to import these sedans? ...
just read this "http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Type+R+sedan+enters+the+frame.html" awesome!

aaronng
13-08-2007, 08:05 AM
Hi All,

The CTR sedan is only $31000 AUD full optioned, in Japan. While the base CTR sedan is $29000 AUD, it cost $10,000 AUD to import which includes all the gst, freight, compliance etc etc. So around $40,000 for a CTR sedan not Mugen RR, thats the same price as the Hatch. I would personally pick the sedan over the hatch.

Is Aus ever going to import these sedans? ...
just read this "http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Type+R+sedan+enters+the+frame.html" awesome!
You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

mpd076-chuck
13-08-2007, 08:22 AM
You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

That is the normal scenario isn't it? I still don't quite get the UK to AU pricing for CTR. I guess to remain competitive with FN2R they had to cut a deal with Honda UK because the GT version is UK£18,627 which equals AU$44,600.

1kmodem
13-08-2007, 08:42 AM
You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

Sorry forgot to mention this was a quote for a personal import of the CTR sedan from Japan.:)

Muzz
13-08-2007, 11:04 AM
Nah, you should compare it like this:
Civic Type R ~$50k
Mugen RR - $10k more for kit, suspension and bling.

Exactly, why pay extra for a company to mod your type r, when you could use that money to mod it as you see fit. Im sure using the extra 10g yourself to mod the car could produce a better performing car. 10g is alot of very nice performance mods, im sure mugens rr your paying as much for the mugen name, as you are for the modifications they add.

$60g for a civic, no way, id be looking at second hand nsx's for sure:thumbsup:

Muzz
13-08-2007, 11:06 AM
dosent it make sense to "modify" the current civi sedan with a K20 conversion and suspension work - for FAR less than $60k ?

You guys are taking this " JDM FTW !" thing way too far

Amen brother:thumbsup:

aaronng
13-08-2007, 12:02 PM
That is the normal scenario isn't it? I still don't quite get the UK to AU pricing for CTR. I guess to remain competitive with FN2R they had to cut a deal with Honda UK because the GT version is UK£18,627 which equals AU$44,600.

UK£18,627 is the RRP. The cost to produce it is much lower. :) Definitely lower than the AU$40,000 RRP of the FN2R here.

m0nty ITR
13-08-2007, 01:15 PM
No

It's a Civic.

I'd never bolt all that shit on

It's a Civic

Civic /= 60K

In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.

Its a Civic

'nuff said

BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me :D

Fanboy? Hardly, but nice trolling.

Come back with facts or at least a rational argument, not a short sighted opinion.

aaronng
13-08-2007, 01:48 PM
No

It's a Civic.

I'd never bolt all that shit on

It's a Civic

Civic /= 60K

In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.

Its a Civic

'nuff said

BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me :D
I just want to add, if that Civic turns into a different car in 10 years time, then it is a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!

Setanta
13-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Fanboy? Hardly, but nice trolling.

Come back with facts or at least a rational argument, not a short sighted opinion.

<--- Owned and driven Hondas consistently for 20 years. I think I know what constitutes value for money in terms of Hondas. I've owned and driven an S800, Civic 1200RS (JDM spec gen 1), 2nd (including a JDM "S" pack), 3rd, 4th (including JDM SiR which saw track time as well as road time) Civics as well as raced 120 bhp gen 1s and a rayjay turbocharged gen 1. About 14 Civics and a concourse S800 plus an immaculate 3G Accord and a 1G teg over that time period. Please don't talk to me about "short-sighted", you have no idea how stupid you sound.

Should you wish to continue your ideas, how about you raise a discussion as to why a Civic is worth 60,000 dollars. YOU might spend 20K to Mugen mods on an FN2, I can most assuredly tell you that most people won't. A Civic is a Civic, it's a budget car and the Type R is a performance variant. That doesn't make it value for money, and if you think you'd get close to your money back come sale time, you're sadly mistaken. Look at DC5Rs for example: great car but damn they took a nasty depreciation hit. Closer to home, look at the VTiR hatches and coupes. People want to sell them for 17-20K yet no-one wants to pay that much because a seven year old Civic is just that - a 7 year old Civic. People are wary because a lot of R owners drive the cars hard.

Feel free to fork out your 60K but don't tell us why WE should waste the money you're prepared to.

The question was "are you prepared to pay 60K for a Civic".

The answer is no.

BTW: Despite the engine/handling package, the car looks arse - I keep double taking when I see an Aust spec on the road - I keep thinking its a minature old droopy Falcon :D

aaronng
13-08-2007, 05:39 PM
<--- Owned and driven Hondas consistently for 20 years. I think I know what constitutes value for money in terms of Hondas. I've owned and driven an S800, Civic 1200RS (JDM spec gen 1), 2nd (including a JDM "S" pack), 3rd, 4th (including JDM SiR which saw track time as well as road time) Civics as well as raced 120 bhp gen 1s and a rayjay turbocharged gen 1. About 14 Civics and a concourse S800 plus an immaculate 3G Accord and a 1G teg over that time period. Please don't talk to me about "short-sighted", you have no idea how stupid you sound.

Should you wish to continue your ideas, how about you raise a discussion as to why a Civic is worth 60,000 dollars. YOU might spend 20K to Mugen mods on an FN2, I can most assuredly tell you that most people won't. A Civic is a Civic, it's a budget car and the Type R is a performance variant. That doesn't make it value for money, and if you think you'd get close to your money back come sale time, you're sadly mistaken. Look at DC5Rs for example: great car but damn they took a nasty depreciation hit. Closer to home, look at the VTiR hatches and coupes. People want to sell them for 17-20K yet no-one wants to pay that much because a seven year old Civic is just that - a 7 year old Civic. People are wary because a lot of R owners drive the cars hard.

Feel free to fork out your 60K but don't tell us why WE should waste the money you're prepared to.

The question was "are you prepared to pay 60K for a Civic".

The answer is no.

BTW: Despite the engine/handling package, the car looks arse - I keep double taking when I see an Aust spec on the road - I keep thinking its a minature old droopy Falcon :D
You do know that this thread is about the FD2, not the FN2, right?

m0nty ITR
13-08-2007, 05:44 PM
I work in the motor industry. I tell people daily that their expectations on resale are too high. Many friends have told me I was crazy to mod a DC5R because it would effect resale. But who cares? My point was that I could get $60k enjoyment out of a "Mugenated" FD2R. I'm certainly getting $35k enjoyment out of my DC5R. I could sure as hell get more enjoyment out of an FD2R than an STi or an Evo. I just love the sound and delivery of the K20A.

It's just that people are quick to rave about the STi, Evo and R32 but realistically they're no better than the FD2R.

Would you spend $44k on an FD2R if it were to become available here? Let's ignore the Mugen for a second. In my opinion better build quality than Subaru and better performance than Volkswagen. The other cars in the segment don't even come close.

aaronng
13-08-2007, 06:10 PM
If they do bring it in for $44k, I would seriously consider it. But at this rate, they will probably charge over $50k just to be in line with the DC5R's price and to put it above the FN2R.

marcus
13-08-2007, 07:26 PM
for 60 grand not worth but for 40 grand maybe its worth considering.....

MKI4EVA
13-08-2007, 08:25 PM
You do know that this thread is about the FD2, not the FN2, right?


your a crack up man...........

Patiently wait'n on his answer...........you think he'll spill the beans?

BusterSonic12
14-08-2007, 07:45 AM
45k for normal fd2r i would consider it for sure, and for 60k to get mugen that's alright too i reckon, cos it's mugen, got like suspension mods and bodykit etc etc.. just wonder, is there engine mod in the RR? because in the mugen jazz (Dynamite) and civic (dominator) both are turbo charged or supercharged k20 (forgot which one hehe) so ii reckon the 60k for a mugen + type r quite good.

aaronng
14-08-2007, 08:01 AM
45k for normal fd2r i would consider it for sure, and for 60k to get mugen that's alright too i reckon, cos it's mugen, got like suspension mods and bodykit etc etc.. just wonder, is there engine mod in the RR? because in the mugen jazz (Dynamite) and civic (dominator) both are turbo charged or supercharged k20 (forgot which one hehe) so ii reckon the 60k for a mugen + type r quite good.

This one has the kit, seats and suspension. But no major changes to the engine other than bolt-ons. Not really worth the extra 10-15k in my opinion. The normal FD2R is much better value.

d15z1SUX
14-08-2007, 09:28 AM
mugen civic RR is gonna be a very limited run of about 300 or so units anyway isn't it? which in a way justifies the high price.

Muzz
14-08-2007, 03:38 PM
^^^only if you treat your cars like colectable basketball cards i suppose:p

Personally id feel better beating on a lesser model with more aftermarket mods, than thashing the life from a rare 1 in 300 mugen enhanced civic.

Geekstar
14-08-2007, 08:29 PM
ek9 ftw.

[[d a n n y]]
14-08-2007, 09:12 PM
I work in the motor industry. I tell people daily that their expectations on resale are too high. Many friends have told me I was crazy to mod a DC5R because it would effect resale. But who cares? My point was that I could get $60k enjoyment out of a "Mugenated" FD2R. I'm certainly getting $35k enjoyment out of my DC5R. I could sure as hell get more enjoyment out of an FD2R than an STi or an Evo. I just love the sound and delivery of the K20A.

It's just that people are quick to rave about the STi, Evo and R32 but realistically they're no better than the FD2R.

Would you spend $44k on an FD2R if it were to become available here? Let's ignore the Mugen for a second. In my opinion better build quality than Subaru and better performance than Volkswagen. The other cars in the segment don't even come close.

lol!!!!


the STi, Evo and R32 but realistically they're no better than the FD2R.
i love this bit.. Power of dreams yo! keep on dreaming lol

go drive 1 own 1 then you'll see why i am laughing

slipangle
15-08-2007, 12:03 AM
];1295900']lol!!!!


i love this bit.. Power of dreams yo! keep on dreaming lol

go drive 1 own 1 then you'll see why i am laughing

I went for a test drive of the Evo 9 off the back of a few positive reviews I read and was quite prepared to seal a deal if it was a better driver's car than the DC2R.

I ended up sticking with the DC2R.

[[d a n n y]]
15-08-2007, 01:03 AM
I went for a test drive of the Evo 9 off the back of a few positive reviews I read and was quite prepared to seal a deal if it was a better driver's car than the DC2R.

I ended up sticking with the DC2R.

that's good to hear..
but i havent looked back since.
then again a test drive for a quick blast is different to living with 1
2 door coupe's cant stand em no more..
maybe im getting old lol

stephen8512
15-08-2007, 01:25 AM
60K!?!?!?!
for a fkn civic?!
i'd get the lancer over the mugen RR (Evo 9 of course)

60K, lets see what u can get with 60K

or u can pay 5 more K and get a nice clean R34 GTR

andiiso
15-08-2007, 12:29 PM
its just like a collectables, some people pay a few grand for a bloody number plate, or collecting pokemon cards or whatever cards are out there, the "limited" ones ar elike a few hundred bux for a picture on a card. Not exactly paying for what its worth for this Mugen RR just paying for the liking of it and it being rare etc.

m0nty ITR
15-08-2007, 04:12 PM
];1295900']lol!!!!


i love this bit.. Power of dreams yo! keep on dreaming lol

go drive 1 own 1 then you'll see why i am laughing

Oh right, you bought one so it must be better. It's all subjective so we're never gonna agree on this. I like VTEC cars. Their sound, power delivery and drive. You don't. You prefer boosted Lancers. Good for you.

If you're gonna disagree how about coming up with points of interest rather than the usual retarded forum chatter of lol.

Setanta
15-08-2007, 07:52 PM
If you're gonna disagree how about coming up with points of interest rather than the usual retarded forum chatter of lol.

You keep saying that but present no real information as to why people should spend 60K on a Civic.

You asked the question and then have a cry because people are saying no, they wouldn't waste the money.

:confused:

Accept that people might have differing opinions to you and not agree that 60K is value for money in regards to a Civic and you might achieve inner peace.

You'd make a good Holden salesman mind you - they believe that their cars are god's gift to the world too :D

m0nty ITR
15-08-2007, 08:40 PM
Tell me why 60k is too much for a Civic but not too much for an Evo or STi? They're just Japanese sedans too. I've given reasons for buying a $60k Civic whereas you've just said it's a Civic. An Evo is just a Lancer, an STI is just an Impreza, an R32 is just a Golf. Where do you stop? The base may be a Civic but there's so much more to it. Why do people swallow $60k for Gods gift to AWD sedans but won't cop it for a Mugen Civic. Do you buy Tsubi jeans because you think they're honestly a better made pair of pants?

This is after all a Honda enthusiast site. Why wouldn't I be passionate about Hondas? Now how many people here have spent similar money buying a cheaper car and modifying it? That makes perfect sense to us here but we dismiss the idea of buying one direct from Mugen. That doesn't make sense to me. Chuck big wheels, suspension, intercooler, exhaust and other mods on a WRX and you still have a WRX. We do it because we love it. If you look back I wasn't the one that called someone out for feeling the desire to own one.

LOL is often used as a forum term for those that don't have the balls to point the finger in criticism. How is saying I'm a fool for seeing value in a Mugen Civic a rational argument?

m0nty ITR
15-08-2007, 08:49 PM
its just like a collectables, some people pay a few grand for a bloody number plate, or collecting pokemon cards or whatever cards are out there, the "limited" ones ar elike a few hundred bux for a picture on a card. Not exactly paying for what its worth for this Mugen RR just paying for the liking of it and it being rare etc.

Spot on. Why have something that everyone else has if you wanna stand out. It's like buying those damn Zephyr 5Zigen chrome wheels at the turn of the century. Every prick had em on a Charade, Mirage and whatever other ricer they'd fit on. Buying a Mugen is something you do for hobby and passion. Buying any performance car isn't rational but sometimes you just wanna do something for yourself.

slipangle
15-08-2007, 09:54 PM
Tell me why 60k is too much for a Civic but not too much for an Evo or STi? They're just Japanese sedans too. I've given reasons for buying a $60k Civic whereas you've just said it's a Civic. An Evo is just a Lancer, an STI is just an Impreza, an R32 is just a Golf. Where do you stop? The base may be a Civic but there's so much more to it. Why do people swallow $60k for Gods gift to AWD sedans but won't cop it for a Mugen Civic. Do you buy Tsubi jeans because you think they're honestly a better made pair of pants?



I agree with you, in fact, I had drafted an earlier reply along the same lines as what you have said but decided not to post it and perpetuate the discussion because, if I take a step back and weigh it up, it would be a waste of my time to be involved in a discussion where it seems quite clear that some people can be swayed by the fact that Mitsubishi was clever enough to differentiate the Lancer enough by using the name "EVO" and Subaru are equally as clever as everyone does not immediately associate an STi as an Impreza...furthermore, people can justify aligning a 60K pricetag with what they're actually getting in a Scoobishi...i.e. warmed up versions of their lower end cars,...hmmm, sounds much like a similar formula for a Mugen RR to me.

I suppose it's difficult to refrain from entering a argument when someone makes what we feel is a misguided comment, particularly when little substance is added to the discussion. I empathise with your frustration as, everyone has an opinion, and in a public forum everyone is free to make their opinions heard...whatever they may be(!)...

andiiso
15-08-2007, 10:48 PM
You keep saying that but present no real information as to why people should spend 60K on a Civic.

well there isnt at all any present information at the same time, why people spend so much on other things, collectables, the pokemon cards and bloody number plates etc.

i guess in the end its just what each person likes, i mean, i think if not everyone out there, most people have something they spent money on that wasnt worth it and had someone say to them "why" and reply would be "cos i like it" or something along the lines of that. So everyones different and 60k is worth it to those who "like" the mugen RR and treat it as a rare thing or something like that... and 60k for a civic ISNT worth it for those who like it but are more of a fan for something else thats 60K etc..

to be honest 60k to me isnt worth it, but i would still get it if i had the chance, just purely cos i like it and theres only 300 made. I dont think you should be comparing cars either, again everyone has own tastes.

[[d a n n y]]
16-08-2007, 01:21 PM
Oh right, you bought one so it must be better. It's all subjective so we're never gonna agree on this. I like VTEC cars. Their sound, power delivery and drive. You don't. You prefer boosted Lancers. Good for you.

If you're gonna disagree how about coming up with points of interest rather than the usual retarded forum chatter of lol.

i bought 1 cuz it's a better car and i could afford it
i've been playing with a shit load of hondas...i've had experiences with many different hondas...
i've seen alot of people like u who are stuck in the Honda supreme thought..
wake up and get out of your little fantasy.
the cars are more expensive bcuz it's a better car.
dont get me wrong i love my honda awsome built quality awsome n/a engines. but.. wake up mate. there are better cars within the same price range..
so there fore the mugen RR is not worth it

aaronng
16-08-2007, 01:48 PM
To me, the better car is the car you like best. Others might like this RR better, while for me, an E36 M3 is nicer for 20k less than this RR. No point telling people which is better because everyone has his or her own preferences.

andiiso
16-08-2007, 02:00 PM
yea pointless arguements, you guys could go on for centuries about which is better until 1 of either side suddenly has a change in taste..

aaronng
16-08-2007, 02:17 PM
The best way is for everyone to get the car that they like and we all meet up one day at Eastern Creek for a bash on the circuit. :)

[[d a n n y]]
16-08-2007, 02:59 PM
im up for that bring it on lol

slipangle
16-08-2007, 03:58 PM
The best way is for everyone to get the car that they like and we all meet up one day at Eastern Creek for a bash on the circuit. :)

That implies that the fastest is the "best"...a bit simplistic ain't it?

aaronng
16-08-2007, 05:31 PM
That implies that the fastest is the "best"...a bit simplistic ain't it?

I was implying that we each bought the car that we liked and then go onto the track to enjoy the car as how it was meant to be. Driving on the street at the speed limit, most cars will feel the same power/handling-wise.

Nope, fastest is not best. But in the context of this thread, yes we are talking about the faster car. Why else would you buy a Type R/EVO/STI/M3/Ferrari/911/V8?

spoondc2
17-08-2007, 09:51 AM
Just personal opinion, Civic is a civic, integra is an integra, evo is an evo, no matter how much is it. It's all about if you think it's worth to pay for the price or not

denot
17-08-2007, 01:33 PM
my own opinion... 60k is worthed for Type RR not Type R... (we dont know how much mugen will charge us for the upgrades anyway - maybe already cost us $10-20k?)

Chris_typer
17-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Just personal opinion, Civic is a civic, integra is an integra, evo is an evo, no matter how much is it. It's all about if you think it's worth to pay for the price or not

True and I agree...but your paying a high price for a car which would probably be worth only 40k in Aus. if it came out...at the end of the day its still going to be a Civic...but then again its is awesome car so I can understand why your mind would be saying fck it and just buy it.

Vinnie
17-08-2007, 11:52 PM
not to get flamed but there are sum decent aussie cars in that price bracket as well if noones already brought em up. f6 typhoon and hsv clubbies are around that price as well iirc (the ss is $15k less) yet all would hammer the civic in a straight line. the balance and handling of a car only count for so much, at the end of the day u need sum decent power as goin as well...

my 2c neway :)

xenfacta
18-08-2007, 05:24 PM
from wat i understand,t he clubbie is a pretty decent car all round... handles pretty well.. i love those big aussie cars too (unpopular tho it may be on OzHonda)

EGBenny
18-08-2007, 06:13 PM
civic is a civic for me and thats what i like about it, the balance between efficiency and performance. Something Aussie cars don't have.

Chris_typer
19-08-2007, 01:20 AM
civic is a civic for me and thats what i like about it, the balance between efficiency and performance. Something Aussie cars don't have.

Thats a pretty shallow comment..im not a big fan of holdens and fords and probably wouldn't buy one but from what they used to be about 10 years ago..i personally recon they have come up in the market as good quality cars with decent performace..like the new VE SS, ClubSports and Monaro's are really nice cars.

But anyway back on topic id prob spend 60k on importing a civic RR than buying a holden..just because I like my honda's..but I don't need too I'm still overwhelmed by my new civic.

aaronng
19-08-2007, 01:24 PM
Thats a pretty shallow comment..im not a big fan of holdens and fords and probably wouldn't buy one but from what they used to be about 10 years ago..i personally recon they have come up in the market as good quality cars with decent performace..like the new VE SS, ClubSports and Monaro's are really nice cars.

But anyway back on topic id prob spend 60k on importing a civic RR than buying a holden..just because I like my honda's..but I don't need too I'm still overwhelmed by my new civic.
He said he wanted efficiency, so his comment is pretty valid. To me, I didn't like the aussie V8s because they handled like a boat. But the new VE is amazing with regards to handling. Stock for stock, it handles better than my Euro! I've driven the VY and that was bad. The VE is so good that it is a viable alternative to a Honda with regards to handling, and it doesn't even need aftermarket coils! (unlike the Euro)

Now, if only they put in a better gearbox into that VE :)

Philip Lee
22-08-2007, 04:05 PM
http://www.carview.co.jp/magazine/photo_impression/2007/honda_civic_mugenrr/

pure sex!!

MKI4EVA
22-08-2007, 07:37 PM
http://www.carview.co.jp/magazine/photo_impression/2007/honda_civic_mugenrr/

pure sex!!


nice one!!

slipangle
23-08-2007, 10:31 AM
I was implying that we each bought the car that we liked and then go onto the track to enjoy the car as how it was meant to be. Driving on the street at the speed limit, most cars will feel the same power/handling-wise.

Nope, fastest is not best. But in the context of this thread, yes we are talking about the faster car. Why else would you buy a Type R/EVO/STI/M3/Ferrari/911/V8?

OK, if, on the point of measuring "fast"-ness, paying 60K for a Mugen RR is not beyond the bounds of most people's thinking.

Case in point : just came across this vid featuring EVO, STi, Nismo 350Z, NSX-R and FD2R : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScCGnCmroY

Now, the FD2R is not in a different league in terms of lap times to the EVO, and laps quicker than the Z. IIRC the Mugen RR laps in the 1:04 range at Tsukuba - that would mean it would lap quicker than even the NSX-R if the 1:04 time is true.

The Mugen RR is no less accomplished than the 350Z, EVO, or STi in the 60K price range if we just kept to measuring "value" based on lap times.

MKI4EVA
23-08-2007, 06:05 PM
wow nice vid thanks. hope they have the RR in a battle soon.

jdmlvn
24-08-2007, 02:15 PM
doesnt the mugen civic only an extra 20hp opposed to stock?

m0nty ITR
25-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Mugen RR does a 1:06:68 @ Tsukuba. Would seem like good value : performance to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnqZlhce_fk&mode=related&search=

Here's times from BEST MOTORING for Tsukuba. There's a good argument for it's performance. It's only 3 100ths slower than the SPec C STi.

Nismo Skyline GT-R Z Tune 1 min 01.150 secs
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stra' 1 min 02.440 secs
Lamborghini Gallardo 1 min 03.605 secs
Honda NSX-R 1 min 03.920 secs
McLaren F1 1 min 04.620 secs
Porsche 997 Turbo 1 min 04.730 secs
Murcielago 1 min 04.760 secs
Z-Tune 1 min 05.100 secs*(diff day diff driver)
EVO IX RS 1 min 05.528 secs
997 Carrera 4 1 min 05.980 secs
Corvette Z06 1 min 06.020 secs
Lancer Evo IX 1 min 06.060 secs
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.198 secs
Nismo GT-R S Tune 1 min 06.232 secs (340 bhp)
Ferrari F40 1 min 06.460 secs
WRX STI SPEC-C 1 min 06.651 secs ( Current STI)
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.80 secs (same race as F40)
BMW M5 1 min 06.560 secs
FD2RR Mugen Civic 1 min 06.682 (running RE55s)
STI S204 1 min 06.800 secs
BMW M6 1 min 07.434 secs
350Z S Version 1 min 08.110 secs
BMW M3 1 min 08.200 secs
Audi RS4 1 min 08.368 secs
Supra Euro Version 330 bhp 1 min 08.460 secs
Mazda RX-7 1 min 08.70 secs
RX-8 A Spec 1 min 09.430 secs
Nissan 300ZX 1 min 10.70 secs

[[d a n n y]]
25-08-2007, 02:49 PM
and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
*edit*
but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..

m0nty ITR
25-08-2007, 03:05 PM
];1313303']and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
*edit*
but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..

The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.

It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.

[[d a n n y]]
25-08-2007, 05:07 PM
The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.

It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.

that depends on what meal u have..
anywayz..
dude seriously i think you should drive hell of alot of more cars and then speak...
let's just say FF lay out VS 4WD layout. wat gets high power to the ground easier. 4wd in any situation a 4wd layout car will blast the shit out of a FF layout car...
2ndly power output difference. JDM FD2R 165kw JDM EVO 9/sti spec C/RAR-R 240KW..( u might disagree but that's how it is)
215nm vs over 400nm
if u can do some maths then it's quite obvious.
also the FD2R runs RE55s and the STI RA-R runs RE070 (not as extreme as the RE-55..
still with better tyres. wider/bigger rims the FD2R still coudlnt take on the 3 4wd turbos in front.
if what u say is correct

My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree.
FD2R should have blasted the shit out of the cars infront and should have won the battle with the advantages that it has. but no it didnt.. it only managed to stay infront of the 350z. clearly there is a performance. gap.
with the RE-55's it still came 5th..
your argument of EVO/STI's being in the performance driveability league just not make sense.. ill just give u a quick example FF lay out vs 4WD layout in the wet wats eaiser to drive???? obviously a 4wd layout car more grip. simple as that.
also refirments over the DC5R..to the FD2R.. bit..
i consider the DC5R a failure. especially the AU spec models they are rubbish.
i rather a Dc2R over a Dc5R any day for performance..

m0nty ITR
25-08-2007, 05:23 PM
Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.

I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too. ;)

[[d a n n y]]
25-08-2007, 05:41 PM
Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.

I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too. ;)

it ran mid 1:06
a stock EVO 8 GSR does low 1:05's 1 sec gap is quite large. on a track espeically if it's a MUGEN tuned vs factroy spec Base model...
FYI GSR is the base model..
if u have used RE-55's and RE-070's you would know there is quite a difference between the two
RE-55's are rated equal or better than the toyot R-88's most stickies tyres u can get.. that are road legal..
seems like u really dont have much knowledge or experience.. so if i was in your situation..i would stop typing..pointless arguments. and ill disregard your smart ass comment at the end cuz it looks like i am much more mature than you..
but it looks like u have agreed on 4wd turbo being quicker than a fwd civic right?
i guess the argument has reached to an end..
i hope u have learnt to think out side the box :D
ps. read what u have written so far.. thats why i've been saying all these things..3
for arguement sake 1.03 NSX-R 1.06 Mugen RR it does not put it in the NSX-R league..
and u should add to your time list EVO 9 MR in the 1:04 range..

m0nty ITR
25-08-2007, 05:49 PM
You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.

Just to simplify things for you.

Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68

Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06

Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?

[[d a n n y]]
25-08-2007, 07:17 PM
You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.

Just to simplify things for you.

Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68

Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06

Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?


should compare the JDM against JDM.. arent he talking about JDM models?
does BMI use JDM cars? not detuned AU spec cars?
this is how ignorant u are.. JDM spec Cars always have had higher out put than the AUS specs which are detuned due to max 98 ocatne we have whilist the japs have 110ocatnce as premeium.
i have a JDM EVO 8 and it's stock power out put is in the 230-240kw region and my car has 398nm stock.. it made 170kw at all four when i dynoed it. and it's also marginally quicker than the AU EVO 9. 170 kw atw.. that's more than the current JDM FD2R has at the engine and a little bit less than what the mugn RR has.
if u have a look at the past BMI epsidoes a EVO 8 GSR does mid 1.05 in tskuba.. and for all i know the 9 GSR/MR quicker once again with it's super AYC and bigger turbo.
all i can say is know your shit before you talk mate...
one more thing.. u called me a troll?
look at my join date and look around the forum.. you'll see so much shit i have contributed to this forum.
i've been in the car modding industry for a while and been playing with hondas and nissans mazda's mitsu's subarus for a while.
to me your just some lost case that thinks he knows his shit just by reading and looking at a DVD..

aaronng
25-08-2007, 07:45 PM
JDM premium fuel is 100 RON. 110 is racing fuel.

[[d a n n y]]
25-08-2007, 07:47 PM
JDM premium fuel is 100 RON. 110 is racing fuel.

it's not it's 110 in some places..near the race course..
100 is normal premium.

aaronng
25-08-2007, 08:18 PM
110 is race fuel. That's why they sell it only near the tracks. In Japan, regular is 94 RON, premium is 98 RON and hi-octane is 100 RON.

[[d a n n y]]
26-08-2007, 03:59 AM
110 is race fuel. That's why they sell it only near the tracks. In Japan, regular is 94 RON, premium is 98 RON and hi-octane is 100 RON.

lol i think your right..
i stand corrected.

IAMVTEC
26-08-2007, 09:36 PM
A RR and an Evo is the same thing, a hotted up base small sedan. I agree if people will pay 60k for an evo, the same people shouldnt have a problem paying the same amount for a RR.

bennjamin
26-08-2007, 10:21 PM
A RR and an Evo is the same thing, a hotted up base small sedan. I agree if people will pay 60k for an evo, the same people shouldnt have a problem paying the same amount for a RR.

Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.

spoondc2
26-08-2007, 10:28 PM
Agree.....

LXRY
27-08-2007, 10:17 AM
60k for a civic RR....

Not me sorry....how I'de do it if I had the $$ is buy a civic here and spend what ever left over on modding it to the MAX. (that makes sense).

Just think about the mods you could do with say $30k, IMO anyway.

MKI4EVA
27-08-2007, 01:53 PM
Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.


not even the same chassis Ben. I made the mistake of thinking that as well.

MKI4EVA
27-08-2007, 01:55 PM
60k for a civic RR....

Not me sorry....how I'de do it if I had the $$ is buy a civic here and spend what ever left over on modding it to the MAX. (that makes sense).

Just think about the mods you could do with say $30k, IMO anyway.

bradda please get up to speed with the thread before you post.

The FD2-R is guesstimated to be here at around $45-$50K.

IFF the FD2-RR comes and it's $60K then that would leave the mod budget of around 10-15k by your arguement.

just clarifying......

Cheers.

xenfacta
27-08-2007, 03:35 PM
actually he said that he'd buy a civic here.. last i checked, honda oz (as opposed to ozhonda) do not sell the FD2R. So, presumably, he'd buy a K20 civic here (civic sport) for ~30K and then have $30K to spend on mods

MKI4EVA
27-08-2007, 09:48 PM
actually he said that he'd buy a civic here.. last i checked, honda oz (as opposed to ozhonda) do not sell the FD2R. So, presumably, he'd buy a K20 civic here (civic sport) for ~30K and then have $30K to spend on mods


my bad.

bennjamin
27-08-2007, 09:59 PM
is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?


So , we can agree with the original thread question ?

LXRY
27-08-2007, 10:20 PM
bradda please get up to speed with the thread before you post.

The FD2-R is guesstimated to be here at around $45-$50K.

IFF the FD2-RR comes and it's $60K then that would leave the mod budget of around 10-15k by your arguement.

just clarifying......

Cheers.

OOps...Sorry :eek: Was thinking of modding a standard/sport civic, where was my head? hehehe.....;)

And nope too expensive if you ask me IMO

xenfacta
27-08-2007, 11:17 PM
anything is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay.. if u drive it and like it then sure, pay $60K for it. i probably wouldnt personally but i can see why ppl would

[[d a n n y]]
28-08-2007, 11:20 AM
Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.

good point father.. lol
chassis arent exactly the same..
though only the front doors.
front windows and some of the interior trims ie: dash itself are the same..
in realitly it's a whole lot different car..
front chassis rail is different too
only shares the name lancer/cedia

up00si
28-08-2007, 01:10 PM
is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?
just quoted hong kong sell a RR for HKD 400000(on road) , if change to australia dollars is 60000 will you buy one???
http://images.paultan.org/images/Honda-Civic-Mugen-RR-1.jpg

What are the specs on it dude...

[[d a n n y]]
28-08-2007, 07:15 PM
What are the specs on it dude...

read through the previous post and theres alot of em..
but it's got 20hp more than the FD2R for starters

siu789
30-08-2007, 01:25 AM
i perfer the japan civic type-R....

denot
30-08-2007, 08:55 AM
i perfer the japan civic type-R....

this IS the Japan CTR, but it plus mod stuff from Mugen

FN2TypeR
31-10-2007, 06:35 PM
its not just a civic. Its a type double R.