Yokohama S-Drive , Hankook R-S2 or Bridgestone RE-001 ????

[dynosaur]

hi OH guys,

I m going to buy a set of new tyres for my dc2r for daily drive use.

I get quote for :

1. Yokohama S-Drive (195/50/15) $149 each

2. Hankook R-S2 (195/50/15) $200 each. :eek:

3. Bridgestone RE-001 (195/50/15) $149 each

which 1 is worth to buy (compare with the price) ?

Thanks for the opinions :angel:

p/s : personally I would prefer Yokohama S-Drive , what do u think ?

[arron]

RE-001..

everyone has been rating these better than the S-Drives so far.. why don't you become another guinea pig for us...
the hankooks are apprently awesome but for $200 each, I'd think about something else...

by the way, aren't you after a 195/55R15? not the 195/50R15...
this also belongs in the "tyre recommondation thread" no?

[EG5]

hi OH guys,

I m going to buy a set of new tyres for my dc2r for daily drive use.

I get quote for :

1. Yokohama S-Drive (195/50/15) $149 each

2. Hankook R-S2 (195/50/15) $200 each. :eek:

3. Bridgestone RE-001 (195/50/15) $149 each

which 1 is worth to buy (compare with the price) ?

Thanks for the opinions :angel:

p/s : personally I would prefer Yokohama S-Drive , what do u think ?


That price for re001 is wrong
it supposed to be anywhere from $119-125 max

[aaronng]

If you want grip, grip and grip, RE001.

If you do many kms and need a longer wearing tyre, S.Drive.

[dynosaur]

That price for re001 is wrong
it supposed to be anywhere from $119-125 max

i c...... that is pretty good deal for the price u gave me.

Is it every Bridgestone tyre shop also sell the same price ?

EG5 , do u know how much the Yokohama S-Drive sell normally ?

thanks for that :angel:

[dynosaur]

If you want grip, grip and grip, RE001.

If you do many kms and need a longer wearing tyre, S.Drive.

how many km's can durable for the RE001 and Yokohama S-Drive ?

thanks for the answer....

[dynosaur]

RE-001..

everyone has been rating these better than the S-Drives so far.. why don't you become another guinea pig for us...
the hankooks are apprently awesome but for $200 each, I'd think about something else...

by the way, aren't you after a 195/55R15? not the 195/50R15...
this also belongs in the "tyre recommondation thread" no?

nah , I prefered 195/50/15 :)

[aaronng]

how many km's can durable for the RE001 and Yokohama S-Drive ?

thanks for the answer....

I can't predict it as it differs with driving style and wheel alignment. But you can estimate the difference from the treadwear rating. RE001 is rated at 220, while the S.Drive at 300. So you can estimate the S.Drive in lasting about 67% longer than the RE001 in normal driving.

[Tofu]

that tread wear rating for the S Drive is rather high...
does it still grip aright tho?

[aaronng]

that tread wear rating for the S Drive is rather high...
does it still grip aright tho?

It grips alright and better than most other tyres. But the RE001 supposedly has better grip than the S.Drive.

[SeverAMV]

where the heck did you guys get the quote of $125 for the RE001s? im being quoted $192 per tyre for 195/50R15 by the bridgestone guys at autosalon.

[aaronng]

Call up a tyre shop and ask them.

[jenova]

where the heck did you guys get the quote of $125 for the RE001s? im being quoted $192 per tyre for 195/50R15 by the bridgestone guys at autosalon.

that's the beauty of the forum, anyone can just pop in and throw in some amazing info but usually unable to produce evidence.

[STTICH]

That price for re001 is wrong
it supposed to be anywhere from $119-125 max

i presume thats in Sdy only?

prices in Melb are inflated :thumbdwn:

[EG5]

i presume thats in Sdy only?

prices in Melb are inflated :thumbdwn:

Syd local bridgestone dealer

[gerard]

I just fitted 195/55X15s on my swift at Brandon Park for $175. Not sure if thats good or bad. Reckon that while the tyres are relatively new, the retailers can bank on our lack of knowledge on pricing.

[slidetaker]

Is it just me or does anybody also think that Hankook Rs2 really looks like Yokohama ADVAN AD07....???:confused:

I think either S.drive or RE001 is fine. But for RE001, make sure they are "Made in Japan". Apparently, some sizes are coming from Thailand...which remind me of the Goodyear GSD3 fiasco...

[Tofu]

thought some sizes of RE001 are made in South Australia...??

[SeverAMV]

that's the beauty of the forum, anyone can just pop in and throw in some amazing info but usually unable to produce evidence.

just found out why...
195/50R15 are $130-140. 205/50R15 are $180-200 in SA. thats from the bridgestone dealer.

[revNhevN]

got mine today. $118 for 195/50/15

[gelo]

i think its only really cheap for re001 when its 50 profile
also
isnt the hankook a semi slick?
i watched a best motoring video for a tyre test
and the rs2 nearly matched the re01r in lap times
so i was liek woah wot are these random tyres
and it said on the site its a semi slick?

[revNhevN]

thats right. its $50 more per tyre when u go to 195/55/15.

[gelo]

sorry correction on my previous post
the tyre from the video that was nearly as fast as re01r was actually federal 595rs which ish a semi slick

the hankook rs2 is a street tyre sorry

just my opinion, i wouldnt pay anything in the 15's size over 200 bucks besides ad07 and even that im reluctant

[slidetaker]

Won't call RE01R or 595RS semi-s at all....just tyres with minimum grooves to boost dry traction.....unlike real semi-s RE55s or R888 which comes with compound choices...

[[[d a n n y]]]

the Price for RS-2's are wrong
i got quoted 160 a pop for 235/45/17's
200 for 15's they are dreaming.

[SeverAMV]

just a random question but i just picked up my adrenalins last night. is the right tyre supposed to be a mirror image of the left tyre or is it just the left tyre rotated, cos i think they sold me two left tyres.

[EG30]

just a random question but i just picked up my adrenalins last night. is the right tyre supposed to be a mirror image of the left tyre or is it just the left tyre rotated, cos i think they sold me two left tyres.

Don't worry they are not meant to be mirror image of each other as they are asymetrical, non directional and they don't have specific left and right tyres. They do however have "outside" printed on the outer sidewall to specify the outer side. Hence the tread seems to flick up on one side and flick down on the other. Here is a pic of my setup:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2248/img46812wf3.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img46812wf3.jpg)

[SeverAMV]

Don't worry they are not meant to be mirror image of each other as they are asymetrical, non directional and they don't have specific left and right tyres. Hence the tread seems to flick up on one side and flick down on the other. Here is a pic of my setup:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2248/img46812wf3.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img46812wf3.jpg)

man, are you sure theyre meant to be like that? because the physics of having a right tyre like that means that when it rains, all the water will be directed towards the centre of the tyre rather than outwards, which leads to less grip overall.

[dynosaur]

does any1 know where could I get a better price in Melb area for these 2 type of tyres ?

thanks in advance... :)

[revNhevN]

Don't worry they are not meant to be mirror image of each other as they are asymetrical, non directional and they don't have specific left and right tyres. They do however have "outside" printed on the outer sidewall to specify the outer side. Hence the tread seems to flick up on one side and flick down on the other. Here is a pic of my setup:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2248/img46812wf3.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img46812wf3.jpg)
Thank you. I was so worried about mine being fitted incorrectly. I does look weird though.

[SeverAMV]

yeah, but the problem is, even tho it says outside, does it say outside right tyre? cos the left one also says outside and looks normal.

[DC5TYPER]

man, are you sure theyre meant to be like that? because the physics of having a right tyre like that means that when it rains, all the water will be directed towards the centre of the tyre rather than outwards, which leads to less grip overall.

I'll check mine tomorrow. But I thought the RE-001 were Directional and they have right and left tyres with outside labels on them.

[EG30]

Prev Potenzas all the way back to the RE71 days were directional and symetrical in design. The new RE001 is now non directional but assymetrical ( RE050A, RE070 asym as well ). If they made it directional and assymetrical as well you would need diff tyres for diff sides of the car ie LH and RH tyres.

[SeverAMV]

Prev Potenzas all the way back to the RE71 days were directional and symetrical in design. The new RE001 is now non directional but assymetrical ( RE050A, RE070 asym as well ). If they made it directional and assymetrical as well you would need diff tyres for diff sides of the car ie LH and RH tyres.

if you look at the tread pattern, its a directional design regardless of what they may claim... and i dont think bridgestone would make a silly mistake like that. grooves play an important part in directing water in wet weather. asymmetrical designs dont really work unless theyre directional. if you dont get what i mean by the tread parting water to a certain direction, rotate the front right tyre mentally, and you'll notice that it will suck water towards the centre of the tyre, which is bad.

my job involves a lot of driving, whether it be a sunny day or the worst stormy day around, so i cant really overlook something like this if it means i cant make left turns in the rain.

[7th Gen]

Don't worry they are not meant to be mirror image of each other as they are asymetrical, non directional and they don't have specific left and right tyres. They do however have "outside" printed on the outer sidewall to specify the outer side. Hence the tread seems to flick up on one side and flick down on the other. Here is a pic of my setup:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2248/img46812wf3.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img46812wf3.jpg)

how did you take this pic?
i want to take a similar pic for my car as well
i got RE001's fitted today :D

[EG30]

took the pic with my ancient canon G2 camera 7th gen, had the camera very close to the ground, shot at ISO200 I think handheld, +1.5 stop exposure compensation ie outside the car overexposed but at least you could see underneath the car. I then edited the pic with photoshop with the shadow highlight command to boost the shadow areas ie the tyres.

look fwd to your pics of your new purchase.

[7th Gen]

sounds complicated man, i thought you were going to say you parked it on a slope and took it at an angle or something LOL

will see how i go

[SeverAMV]

asymmetrical means the tread design isnt symmetrical, doesnt mean there wont be a left and right tyre.

[7th Gen]

this is my best attempt lol

[V205]

7th Gen,

How does the RE001 feel compare to your previous tyres (which is?) ?

Does it have better steering response? Cornering stability? Road noise?


this is my best attempt lol

[7th Gen]

7th Gen,

How does the RE001 feel compare to your previous tyres (which is?) ?

Does it have better steering response? Cornering stability? Road noise?

well
my tyre history from brand new
- stock Yokohama Advans (crappy ones), 14s
- Goodyear Eagle F1, 16s
- Dunlop SP Sport 9000, 17s
- Falken ZE512, 17s
- Bridgestone RE001, 17s

i am only running the RE001 on the front, still have the Falkens on the back

well, it has only been a day!!!
and i have been deliberately driving slower/not as crazy cause i don't want the hassle/cost of destroying another wheel/tyre :o

it does feel 'grippier'
steering response is somewhat better
noise is about the same? not as loud as the Goodyears

i also drive my dads stock 07 VTi on the 15s - Dunlop SP Sport 300 and i think it handles fantastically, maybe cause of the way i drive hahaha

i am going to lower my 01 GLi and will see how it goes
i am thinking by lowering it i am going to have to drive even more carefully as opposed to 'crash and bash' :p

[EG30]

asymmetrical means the tread design isnt symmetrical, doesnt mean there wont be a left and right tyre.

doesn't mean there has to be a left and right tyre either for asymetrical designs either.

I can't see a mass market tyre such as the re001 would be designed as Left hand and right hand designs for the sake of a mirror image of each side. Could you imagine the logistic nightmare of stocking and L and R version of a tread pattern, in all sizes? To be stocked by mainstream tyre outlets?

The RE55s competition tyres on the other hand are both directional and asymetrical and comes in L & R versions, and comes in 5 diff compounds in total.

Sure the tread pattern strikes the road and water when wet at different angles and the water pumped on the outer tread block could be different to the tyre on the other side; but the main drainage comes from the main vertical grooves not the slant groove. Bridgestone wont be that ignorant to release a tyre that would grip differently from side to side thus creating a huge liability for them; esp after the Firestone truck tyre that cost the parent company a fortune in the late 90s.

I've driven the re001s thru puddles of water at different speeds and the tyres with the "abnormal to you" tread pattern cleared the water as if it wasn't there. Another forum member posted his postive wet driving experience ( also from Perth ) a few weeks back also.

[T-onedc2]

I've had RE001's for a week now. Coming from Yokohama ES100 (DNA GP) I am very impressed, initial turn in is sharper and overall grip noticably greater with loads of adjustability near and on the limit. They are also noticably quieter.

The ES100 wear rate was 280 whereas RE001 is 220. So far I am extremely happy with their performance and highly recommend them.

[SeverAMV]

I've had RE001's for a week now. Coming from Yokohama ES100 (DNA GP) I am very impressed, initial turn in is sharper and overall grip noticably greater with loads of adjustability near and on the limit. They are also noticably quieter.

The ES100 wear rate was 280 whereas RE001 is 220. So far I am extremely happy with their performance and highly recommend them.

with treadwear ratings, less... is less... so the 220 of the RE001 means it doesnt last as long as the ES100's 280. as an example, high grip soft compound racing tyres sometimes have a treadwear rating of less than 100 because the soft compound burns out faster.

i find mine to be a bit floaty. if i drop the tyre pressure tho, for some reason, it makes the steering jerkier under braking.

[T-onedc2]

with treadwear ratings, less... is less... so the 220 of the RE001 means it doesnt last as long as the ES100's 280
that's what I said lol......:confused:

Jerky steering under braking is an alignment issue, or in some cases cheap tyres will have less directional stability and give a similar but not the same feel.

[Mr_will]

That price for re001 is wrong
it supposed to be anywhere from $119-125 max

can you suggest where these prices are available? i dont doubt you, i've just obviously been talking to the wrong people. my local bridgestone dealers quoted me something ridiculous like $180

[[JDM_DC2]]

go for RE001
had them fitted today, got $185 for each tyre 205/50/16
this was on a liberty though..

it grips like a mother.. if u want performance and relative quietness..
adrenalins are the way to go ;)

[T-onedc2]

^^^agreed^^^
They've just had a 4% price rise in the last week or so which should explain the higher than expected prices.

[EG30]

Die hard Yokohama/Advan fans pls look away......

Just got my copy of the Evo Mag in the mail from the UK today with their annual tyre test feature on it.

They tested 9 tyres at the Bridgestone Test track near Rome, Italy using a fleet of new Golf Gtis thus the FF layout would relate to most Hondas, in contrast with Motor/Wheels mags in Aust tend to use powerful FR car ( ie Falcoon and Bogandore ) for the performance tyre tests.

Despite my disappoint of the set of S drive on my DC2R, I would never imagine it would do this bad, finishing dead last in over half of the individual tests ie Lap time, Lateral G, Subjective score, aqualplaning, wet cornering, wet braking and dry braking! It did do well in the rolling resistance test where it came best of the lot, which explains why I could feel my car rolled out of the tyre shop with less resistance than the old tyres ( I put this down to the tyres being brand new at the time ).

The RE050A came 4th/9, behind the winner Goodyear Eagle Asymetric, Vredestein and Conti CSC3. Pity they didn't test the RE001 instead of the Re050A. Incidentally the GSD3 came 1st in the same test some 4-5 years ago when it was 1st released in Europe, with a ford Focus being the test car.

I can't wait for the arrival of this new goodyear, a total rethink from the Eagle F1 GSD3 ie without those famous vertical grooves are notorious for noise generation though great in greasy conditions and forgiving. Like the RE001 it's one of the 1st Asymetrical designs for Goodyear. I'm sure this will start a new trend in Asymetrical non directional designs and will no doubt be copied by the likes of Toyo, Kumho and Hankooks in the next few years.

2 pages from the tyre tests I scanned:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6522/evo0002ce4.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evo0002ce4.jpg)http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3650/evo0001cf3.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evo0001cf3.jpg)

[gerard]

It is a surprise re the S Drive. I have RE050A on my TT and Adrenalins on my Swift. Must say that both are damn good in anybody's book.

[aaronng]

The S.Drive is a hard tyre compared to the competition. Anyway, I hope the asymmetric Eagle F1s come over to Australia. I want to try them out.

[V205]

The chunky outside patch of the Goodyear assym looks yummy, same sort of concept as the RE001.

Why did it take them so long to come back to this design that rides so well back in the Yokohama A509 days??

[slidetaker]

Since when did Sdrive the top performance from Yokohama....
I thought ADVAN Sport is the highest performance tyre....

[V205]

Note that the 2 top tyres are both assymetric with large outside shoulder blocks.

Edit: just realised the top 4 tyres are assymetric with larger outsides blocks.