Aftermarket ECU's Autronic or Hondata, which is better?

[EL_DC5]

I am thinking of getting an aftermarket ECU. I have been recommended bot Autronic and Hondata.

I have a K20Z on my DC5 and I plan on getting fear few mods.

I was told that the Autronic is easier to tune and has more features than the K-pro . they are both excellent performers.

I would appreciate your comments if you have some experience or knowledge i this area.

[90xsi]

autronic is the way to go,
cant go wrong with autronic mate

[Mattski_VTIR]

I have KPRO coming for my Type S and it should arrive this week (hopefully :cool:) Once fitted and tuned i will let you know how it goes! :thumbsup: I haven't heard off any Type S running Autronic (doesn't mean theres not) anyone running this system in an DC5S?

[hinezz]

autronic is the way to go,
cant go wrong with autronic mate
thats rite :thumbsup:
im using autronic sm4 & CDI ignition for my setup! ;)
very happy with it

[Mattski_VTIR]

Who is going to be tuning your car? Generally speaking the ECU is only as good as its tuner, try finding your tuner first and get them to recommend the ECU there most competent/proffer tuning. My 2 cents :thumbsup:

[mugsee]

Has anyone here used a Kpro before?

[Mattski_VTIR]

There are plenty of DC5R's getting around running Hondata Kpro. There is also a hand full of Type S running it, well i know of at least one personally (two when mine arrives)

[EL_DC5]

Who is going to be tuning your car? Generally speaking the ECU is only as good as its tuner, try finding your tuner first and get them to recommend the ECU there most competent/proffer tuning. My 2 cents :thumbsup:

Scott from Insight Motorsports
Blurb on tuning from these guys
We only deal with products which are tried and proven in competiton at the highest level. These products include:

Autronic
Motec
Hondata
Apexi PowerFC

www.insightmotorsports.com.au

I've seen his work, he is the real deal

[EL_DC5]

They make a custom wiring harness that can be removed fairly easy if you need to run stock settings. They also do hondata there and are very good at hit but the dude recons the Autronics is the way to go.

But i also want users opinion or if someone changed from hondata to autronic...

[hinezz]

its basically boils down to what u want.
hondata kpro = piggybank ecu
autronic sm4 = standalone ecu
i went for the autronic sm4 on my k-setup coz it had more features and wasnt a piggybank ecu :)

[code-87]

is it true that piggy back ecu's have less problems?as they retain the original settings such as idling n all that kinda fings
whereas standalone ecu's don't have all the information that honda intended it to?
someone told me that not sure if it's correct
standalone ecu's can't be that troublesome if people still use them tho

[Zdster]

is it true that piggy back ecu's have less problems?as they retain the original settings such as idling n all that kinda fings
whereas standalone ecu's don't have all the information that honda intended it to?
someone told me that not sure if it's correct
standalone ecu's can't be that troublesome if people still use them tho

That is the exact opposite of what you want though. You want a 'device/ecu' that is adjustable so that it can compensate for the individual car. In most instances you want the extra flexibility so that the tuner can build custom maps rather than having the same generic base.

[kookie]

its basically boils down to what u want.
hondata kpro = piggybank ecu
autronic sm4 = standalone ecu
i went for the autronic sm4 on my k-setup coz it had more features and wasnt a piggybank ecu :)
Hondata is NOT a piggy back. Its an addition to the ecu that allows you to write new values to the ecu (cam angle, ignition, af), a piggy back is one that interrupts the signal and sends these values to the ecu.These include the apexi vfac systems.

Hondata allows re-write of values to the stock ecu.

[hinezz]

Hondata is NOT a piggy back. Its an addition to the ecu that allows you to write new values to the ecu (cam angle, ignition, af), a piggy back is one that interrupts the signal and sends these values to the ecu. Hondata allows re-write to the stock ecu.
stock ecu is required in any case with the hondata coz it dsnt run by itself, hence its not a stand-alone and thats why i refer to it as a piggybank. maybe you have a different name to it?

[jooboo]

A stock ECU is a standalone ECU you fool, it works by its self independently. Hondata allows you to tune the stock ECU which is already standalone ECU which works by its self, its no different to you tuning the autronic again and again.
Hinezz = confused

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

A stock ECU is a standalone ECU you fool, it works by its self independently. Hondata allows you to tune the stock ECU which is already standalone ECU which works by its self, its no different to you tuning the autronic again and again.
Hinezz = confused

What hinezz says, makes sence. Hondata wont work by itself, it need to be joined to an ecu.

[hinezz]

A stock ECU is a standalone ECU you fool, it works by its self independently. Hondata allows you to tune the stock ECU which is already standalone ECU which works by its self, its no different to you tuning the autronic again and again.
Hinezz = confused
lol my point is
standalone setup = 1 ECU (eg. autronic sm4)
piggybank setup = 2 ECU's (eg. stock + kpro)

[mpd076-chuck]

lol my point is
standalone setup = 1 ECU (eg. autronic sm4)
piggybank setup = 2 ECU's (eg. stock + kpro)

That's not a piggyback ECU in the traditional sense... I'd be careful about continuing to push that line, otherwise the posts will start flying! (sorry that sounds like a threat, I mean that this has been discussed before in other posts at length)

To put it simply, a piggyback simply alters the signal sent from the ECU. Hondata actually changes the base signal.

Examples of piggyback are VAFC, AFC NEO, SAFC, emanage, unichip. You have far less control with these piggbacks and Hondata should not be compared to them as a `piggyback'.

[hinezz]

That's not a piggyback ECU in the traditional sense... I'd be careful about continuing to push that line, otherwise the posts will start flying! (sorry that sounds like a threat, I mean that this has been discussed before in other posts at length)

To put it simply, a piggyback simply alters the signal sent from the ECU. Hondata actually changes the base signal.

Examples of piggyback are VAFC, AFC NEO, SAFC, emanage, unichip. You have far less control with these piggbacks and Hondata should not be compared to them as a `piggyback'.
well thats my interpretation in the modern sense :thumbsup: cheers every1 has different views!

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

wouldnt a better description be ROM editors.

[DynoDave]

Scott from Insight Motorsports
Blurb on tuning from these guys
We only deal with products which are tried and proven in competiton at the highest level. These products include:

Autronic
Motec
Hondata
Apexi PowerFC

www.insightmotorsports.com.au (http://www.insightmotorsports.com.au)

I've seen his work, he is the real deal
You wont go wrong in using Scott @ Insight Motorsport this guy is one of the best tuners in this country and has lots of experience with Honda's as I have been working with him for the last few years and using his dyno,he knows the K series engine very well as we have done alot of Hondata tuning together working on cam angles.
Regards Dyno Dave

[EL_DC5]

With Autronic you can also take it out when u want to sell your car and install it on your new car, universal you know.

[riceball]

With Autronic you can also take it out when u want to sell your car and install it on your new car, universal you know.

You can do that with hondata aswell. Just requires a spare ecu lying around. I think that Autronic is a great brand and alot of people would purchase it... if it didnt cost so much. Hondata ecu's are capable of carrying out everything you need to tune your honda to its maximum potential and at half the price. :thumbsup:

[EL_DC5]

Autroni SM4 Model ECU.

The SM4 is our latest model ECU. This ECU has many features which allow it to be setup to suit various types of engine configurations. It has very flexible options over how the inputs and outputs are controlled, and allows the user to design their own functions to control all sorts of devices. Precise control of injectors and ignition angle are guaranteed at very low or high RPM or manifold pressures. A very high level of protection from interference and tolerance of trigger input errors has been built into this ECU, ensuring a smooth running engine even under the most demanding conditions.

Variable camshaft control for up to two camshaft. Control of camshaft position is very precise and time taken to advance from full retard to full advance is less the 1 second. Support for most VVT and VANOS systems.

Closed loop control of idle speed and boost pressure makes for a "factory" idle speed stability, and precise control of boost pressure. Boost control can be setup to provide a different boost in each gear.

The optional internal knock control module gives one of the most advanced aftermarket knock control available. Knock control is user definable to use either fuel enrichment or ignition retard or a combination of both the control only the cylinders that have knock.

HARDWARE:

Main Connector 42 way sealed with protective cover.

PC serial data link connector 3 way 3.5 dia.

Case, silver extruded aluminium, 130 x 124 x 48 MM (overall).

Processor speed 25% faster & overall performance > 2.OX previous generation.

OK to 13,000 rpm on 16 cylinder engine. 1 to 12 cylinders to > 16000rpm.

ECU to PC data link operates at up to 115k baud for fast cal down load & Log file upload (19sec typ for 112k bytes). 112k logging memory.

Internal Diagnostic light & optional remote light.

High efficiency power supply & output drivers for reduced power consumption and reduced self-heating.

Four ignition outputs. (With external multiplexer up to eight) Rating Push-Pull +/-1 amp max. Up to 3 useable for alternate functions.

Software selectable mappable dwell or O/P pulse duration modes possible.

Four coil dwell, software selectable. (With external multiplexer up to eight)

Eight injector outputs. Rating selectable software 4/1 amp 2/0.5 amp peak/hold type for high & low current injector types or parallel operation of injector pairs. Rating may be specified independently for 2 groups of 4 O/Ps. Sequential, single or double shot 1 or 2 group fire possible for up to 16 injectors. Up to 7 useable for alternate functions.

10 General purpose (GP) outputs
3 PWM (dedicated)
5 Pull-down @ 3.5 amp max
1 Pull-down @ 1 amp max
4 Push-Pull @ +/- 1 amp max (also suitable for stepper motor control).
15 PWM using GP outputs, spare Injector or Ignition O/Ps. All have 1 OHz min, 3 have upper limit of 50OHz, 2 have upper limit of 1.2KHz.


In-built dual reluctor interface / hall effect interface. Camshaft & crankshaft sensor inputs individually software configurable for hall effect & reluctor sensor types. Response speed is also software configurable for improved noise immunity.

Three general purpose digital Inputs with logic level sensitivity & pullup to +5volts. Useable for speed measurement. Switch I/Ps. Two are useable for Camshaft position measurement.

Knock control with individual cylinder retard (requires installation of additional internal module).

Variable Camshaft control for up to two camshafts. VANOS and other VVT and VVT-i supported.

Autronic or NTC air temp sensors, software selectable.

Internal or external map sensor, software selectable.

High and low injector driver software selectable.

Stepper motor idle control.

Support for most idle valve type including 2 wire, 3 wire & stepper possible. Stepper pins can be used for spare outputs if not used for idle control.

Support for air flow meters.

Internal Pressure sensor useable for MAP &/or barometric sensing.

Tacho & Diagnostic outputs.

3 x Spare Analog inputs (EGT, EBP, 02, etc...) Spare analog Inputs may be used as additional low speed digital inputs (eg:- switch inputs). Two have dual logic levels (two switch levels per input)

Analog inputs can be set for predefined calibrations or user defined calibrations.

SOFTWARE:

Autotune (self tuning software).
Launch Control (two step rev limiter based on vehicle speed).
Flatshift (change gears without clutch at WOT using standard gearbox).
Antilag (keep turbocharger on boost during gear changes) with turbo cooldown function.
Selectable ignition tables. Output tables can be based on any X and Y axis parmentier.
Fuel and ignition tables have 32 rpm and 16 load site axis.
Many correction tables for precision fuel & ignition adaption.
Table axis values totally user selectable.
Multi tooth, missing tooth, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Ford TFI and Gen3 triggers. Software selectable trigger angle.
Support for two and three rotor engines with ignition split.
Dedicated idle control with additional settings for better adaption to changing operating condition and a more stable idle.
Dedicated Closed loop boost control, and other settings for stable boost pressures. Dedicated A/C compressor control.
Dedicated twin cooling fan control.
Dedicated NOS injection control, coordinates fuel & ignition.
13 General purpose control modules for O/P control. (use for variable fuel pump, power steering, inlet manifold air valves, extra temperature control devices etc) 4 of these are capable of PID feedback control (typical application for PIDs are variable camshaft positioning or inlet manifold length).
Mapping via manifold pressure, throttle position, manifold and throttle or manifold, throttle and exhaust backpressure.

Case Dimensions:

L = 130mm (5-1/8")
W = 124mm (4-7/8")
H = 48mm (1-7/8")
Weight = 0.5kg (1.1 lbs)

[riceball]

Yeah thats a long list, and I couldn't be bothered reading all of it. How many of them functions are you planning on using?

[EL_DC5]

Yeah thats a long list, and I couldn't be bothered reading all of it. How many of them functions are you planning on using?

I would use all of them that are relevent to my car
I like that u can hook up shift lights to it making it really accurate.
Tacho & Diagnostic outputs. :thumbsup:

[riceball]

Make sure you get a huge tacho and shift light then.

[hinezz]

get a Autronic SM4, wont regrett it.

[EL_DC5]

So SM4 FTW????

[7ypeR]

I think that it's safe to say that anyone who has run Hondata has never been dissappointed with its features and tunability. By saying "Autronic FTW" without fully exploring the Hondata features basically sums up the fact you already made up your mind before you even posted this thread. Alot of ecu's inc. Hondata can have an LED hooked up as a shift light. It is nothing new. I'm sure that there's alot of ecu features that you don't know about.
All You can really do is research all your options before you make your decision.

PS: If your willing to spend that kind of $$$ on the Autronic than you might as well buy the Motec M400. Their tuning parametres are the same but the Motec has more technical support. ;)

[jooboo]

EL DC5 – Motec have a plug and play m800 for EVO’s which only works on an EVO, they also have a plug and play m800 which only works on WRX’s. Just like Motec Autronic & Hondata also have plug and play specific computers which only work on specific vehicles, so under your definition now Motec Autronic & Hondata is not a standalone ECU …. I think your justification is a little screwy.

[hinezz]

So SM4 FTW!!!!
at the end of the day, its what u want. its ur car and its ur money ur spending on it. if ur heart is set to it coz u like it over something else, sure go for it.

taking opinions from pple is no harm.

whats has ur tuner/mechanic recommended to you?

[pornstar]

what they mean is this, take out ur factory ecu, and use the autronic, it will work, whether or not its plug and play or wire in.

now take out the factory ecu with the hondata, wont run.

one requires a factory ecu, one does not.


EL DC5 – Motec have a plug and play m800 for EVO’s which only works on an EVO, they also have a plug and play m800 which only works on WRX’s. Just like Motec Autronic & Hondata also have plug and play specific computers which only work on specific vehicles, so under your definition now Motec Autronic & Hondata is not a standalone ECU …. I think your justification is a little screwy.

[Zdster]

I think that it's safe to say that anyone who has run Hondata has never been dissappointed with its features and tunability.

My comment is not directly aimed at this product, but I beg to differ. I have heard from a few people who wernt thrilled about this product (but then you get that with everything). Really IMHO it is time to stop generalising about ecu's, with people stating that 'x' ecu is best all the time, and find the right product for the right application.

In the end, as I think a number of people have said in this thread, it is about finding the right ecu for the right setup (adding in conditions such as cost etc).

[TegCrazy]

Pornstar I think your wrong, have a look at this picture from the Hondata website its their plug and play ECU for s2000, sure looks standalone to me. You unplug the factory s2000 ECU and put it in a cardboard box and or in the bin, you then you plug up the Hondata ECU, that's full standalone....http://www.hondata.com/images/s2000kpro-1-m.jpg

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

Pornstar I think your wrong, have a look at this picture from the Hondata website its their plug and play ECU for s2000, sure looks standalone to me. You unplug the factory s2000 ECU and put it in a cardboard box and or in the bin, you then you plug up the Hondata ECU, that's full standalone....http://www.hondata.com/images/s2000kpro-1-m.jpg

lol, that pic is of the K-pro modified k series ecu. so a k series ECU with hondata added. And as Pornstar states, hondata is an adition to an ecu.

here is more info for all, taken directly from the hondata web page
www.hondata.com (http://www.hondata.com)



-The s100 fits inside the ECU and is compatible with the s200 and s200 ROM files

-The s200 system consists is an interface box (http://www.hondata.com/images/interfacemark2.jpg) which connects to a modified stock ECU. The s200 replaces the Stage 2/3/4 (http://www.hondata.com/stage234.html) systems

-The s300 is a plug in module to the factory Honda Engine Computer (ECU) which vastly expands the capabilities of the factory ECU. Forced induction, datalogging, real time updating of parameters, engine protection are but a few of the s300 features.

-The k100 is a circuit board that is installed in your ECU in a similar fashion to the K-Series programmable ECU (K-Pro) at a lower cost. It allows your Hondata dealer to install a custom flash program based off any of the programs supplied with the K-Pro or any program of their own design.

-The K-Series Programmable ECU (K-Pro) consists of a hardware modification to any K-Series ECU, plus Windows software (http://www.hondata.com/kmanager.html) which allows you to re-program the ECU and datalog sensors.

[jooboo]

Iv read the links how is it not stand alone?? You unplug your standard ECU completely and plug up the Hondata full ECU. Thats standalone 100%

[pornstar]

lol cos its a CHIP or an ADDON into ur factory ecu. IE it cannot STAND ALONE without the factory ecu being socketed to accept the ecu...

the blue box, what does it plug into? yes u guessed it, a factory socketed ecu.

the kpro, its a chip/rom that is placed into ur ecu

lol, is powerchip the company that makes chips for ur ecu a standalone..? hope that gets the point across

[hinezz]

Iv read the links how is it not stand alone?? You unplug your standard ECU completely and plug up the Hondata full ECU. Thats standalone 100%
:thumbdwn: wrong or ur confused

Pornstar I think your wrong, have a look at this picture from the Hondata website its their plug and play ECU for s2000, sure looks standalone to me. You unplug the factory s2000 ECU and put it in a cardboard box and or in the bin, you then you plug up the Hondata ECU, that's full standalone....http://www.hondata.com/images/s2000kpro-1-m.jpg
if hondata was a standalone, i'd buy one 2moro, but its not.

[TegCrazy]

You don't buy a chip off Hondata, you buy a full standalone plug in to the factory wiring ECU in the case of the s2000 so you're wrong very wrong. Yes some of the Hondata product range have the original ECU modified, but this is only to save $ for the person buying the ECU. If you ask a dealer every ECU solution has either has a plug and play (don't use your standard ECU i.e standalone) and or an upgrade solution for your stock ECU which is standalone anyway turning your ECU into a programmable ECU.

[ginganggooly]

Arguing about whether it is a standalone, piggyback or chip is useless.
Who cares if it is a modified stock ECU?

The issue at hand is the end result and the ease of tunability, in which case the hondata products are perfectly fine. So... as much as I love the australian developed products, it's hard to look past a hondata if you've got a b or k powered honda.

[jooboo]

Arguing about whether it is a standalone, piggyback or chip is useless.
Who cares if it is a modified stock ECU?

The issue at hand is the end result and the ease of tunability, in which case the hondata products are perfectly fine. So... as much as I love the australian developed products, it's hard to look past a hondata if you've got a b or k powered honda.


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Fully Agree !!

[barefootbonzai]

man you guys don't know shit. Y are you wasting your time with either ecu's. If you want MAX PERFORMANCE....


Get yourself a VAFC with a Lean R tune.

[EL_DC5]

EL DC5 – Motec have a plug and play m800 for EVO’s which only works on an EVO, they also have a plug and play m800 which only works on WRX’s. Just like Motec Autronic & Hondata also have plug and play specific computers which only work on specific vehicles, so under your definition now Motec Autronic & Hondata is not a standalone ECU …. I think your justification is a little screwy.

WTF.... I think your replying to the wrong person

[7ypeR]

lol cos its a CHIP or an ADDON into ur factory ecu. IE it cannot STAND ALONE without the factory ecu being socketed to accept the ecu...

the blue box, what does it plug into? yes u guessed it, a factory socketed ecu.

the kpro, its a chip/rom that is placed into ur ecu

lol, is powerchip the company that makes chips for ur ecu a standalone..? hope that gets the point across


Then what happens when you buy Jun or Mugen ecu's? They're full replacement ecu which require you to unplug from factory loom but realistically they are just chipped up factory ones. Same goes for Mine's computers and others like that.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to run a honda engine better than a honda ecu. The company puts millions of $$$ into R&D so it must be pretty decent. If all it takes is a chip to access what they have spent years developing then why not?

[EL_DC5]

Then what happens when you buy Jun or Mugen ecu's? They're full replacement ecu which require you to unplug from factory loom but realistically they are just chipped up factory ones. Same goes for Mine's computers and others like that.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to run a honda engine better than a honda ecu. The company puts millions of $$$ into R&D so it must be pretty decent. If all it takes is a chip to access what they have spent years developing then why not?

are you arguing for the sake of arguing??????

why would there be aftermarket performance products if honda always made the best of everything....

[Zdster]

At the end of the day, nothing is going to run a honda engine better than a honda ecu. The company puts millions of $$$ into R&D so it must be pretty decent. If all it takes is a chip to access what they have spent years developing then why not?

Generically speaking yes. Produce 10,000 cars and you need a single standard ecu. However the applications we are talking about here are either modified or stock individual engines. A tunable ecu product that can meet the demands of the individual setup/engine are going to be far superior than a single, mass produced ecu.

[pornstar]

i call them chips, just like i call hondatas... cos end of the day thats what they are.

NOTE: didnt say that chips are bad, i believe theres a place for these on the market just like i do with vafcs and emanages.



Then what happens when you buy Jun or Mugen ecu's? They're full replacement ecu which require you to unplug from factory loom but realistically they are just chipped up factory ones. Same goes for Mine's computers and others like that.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to run a honda engine better than a honda ecu. The company puts millions of $$$ into R&D so it must be pretty decent. If all it takes is a chip to access what they have spent years developing then why not?

[7ypeR]

Generically speaking yes. Produce 10,000 cars and you need a single standard ecu. However the applications we are talking about here are either modified or stock individual engines. A tunable ecu product that can meet the demands of the individual setup/engine are going to be far superior than a single, mass produced ecu.

Yes I totally agree with this. But what I mean is that for an ecu to have the tuning parametres to create a base map from scratch for fuel economy, emissions control and power (with minimal flat spots if any) from 0 rpm to redline, surely it is advanced enough to run most individual set-ups. That's why I think that using a chip to allow the tuner full use of the factory ecu isn't a disadvantage compared to a "full replacement ecu" :confused: . For example, not all ecu's have cam angle control yet the k-series factory ones have them standard. It's just not adjustable until you put Hondata into it. :thumbsup:

Sorry guys i'm just at work and bored shyteless ;) . This thread is becoming an interesting read though :D

[B18cEG]

man you guys don't know shit. Y are you wasting your time with either ecu's. If you want MAX PERFORMANCE....


Get yourself a VAFC with a Lean R tune.


Mate! r u stupid or just joking? The VAFC is very basic, Air fuel and Vtec crossover, no inputs no outputs no selectable nothing, no idle controll, and NO REV LIMIT CONTROL!!! just basic!

As for a stand alone, all these companies that use a honda ecu then add to it by way of chip/Eprom and so on, this is in a way standalone just like standard ecu is standalone but is not the same in the way of tuning as AEM or Power FC or companies like these, these are full start from scratch ECU's (not a honda bone in there body)

[barefootbonzai]

f uck oath i'm for real. you just don't know.

[pornstar]

lol duy

[Zdster]

f uck oath i'm for real. you just don't know.

I have a vafc2. Does that mean I get twice the powar? :p

[barefootbonzai]

i'm glad andy and mike know. for the rest of you noobs, do your research!

[B18cEG]

i'm glad andy and mike know. for the rest of you noobs, do your research!


Get Fu#@ed mate go get ur facts straight, go tune with ur VAFC, so wat u sayin a VAFC can control boost settings and or CDI ignition.

If u aint got facts or nothin just shut ur mouth k!

[EL_DC5]

Hey guys Relax, Dont knock peoples ECUs but share your experiences, not intimate ones tho... LOL

[barefootbonzai]

Get Fu#@ed mate go get ur facts straight, go tune with ur VAFC, so wat u sayin a VAFC can control boost settings and or CDI ignition.

If u aint got facts or nothin just shut ur mouth k!

relax bro, i wouldn't take too much technical information on this forum seriously.

I know you didn't notice, but i was just joking around. But you'd be suprised at the people who acutally think my statement was true...

[EL_DC5]

who would be such an moron and perposly post incorrect information

[barefootbonzai]

who would be such an moron and perposly post incorrect information

90% of this forum. If you can't beat them, join them :wave:

[EL_DC5]

they should be given warnings

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

they should be given warnings

or negative feedback

[riceball]

Get Fu#@ed mate go get ur facts straight, go tune with ur VAFC, so wat u sayin a VAFC can control boost settings and or CDI ignition.

If u aint got facts or nothin just shut ur mouth k!

HAHAHAHA. I don't know man... We got some pretty leet VAFC tuners here in Brisbane... If you don't believe us ask Dyno Dave. He knows the guy real well. lol :wave:

[Nepolian]

I am thinking of getting an aftermarket ECU. I have been recommended bot Autronic and Hondata.

I have a K20Z on my DC5 and I plan on getting fear few mods.

I was told that the Autronic is easier to tune and has more features than the K-pro . they are both excellent performers.

I would appreciate your comments if you have some experience or knowledge i this area.

Interesting read guys, my 2c,

I have always looked at my mods and car before I pick an aftermarket ECU. I have had Autronic, EMS and Microtechs in a previous cars. How I see it is dependant on the types of mods done or to be done to the car,

Hope this doesnt offend anyone but I dont see the need to have an autronic if you are only doing cams, intake and exhaust when you can get the same or very similar results from an ECU half that price.

Fitting is the second thing, not all ECU's are available as plug and plays for all cars, so taking this into consideration the extra costs involved if the full "stand alone" is not plug and play, you'll pay extra for install prior to tune.

Quick example....years ago my mate and I had a Supras. We had similar mods and I installed a power fc, he had autronic. Cost to me was $1200 for unit, $0 for fitting and about $400 for tune. Thats a total of $1600. Lets just say my mate went to a very reputable fitter and tuner and paid just under $3000 fitted and tuned. We both had within 10 RWKW of each other.

What I am getting at is that just because you have a particular ECU, it doesnt mean you will get the best out of it.

Horses for courses and good research will steer you in the direction. For me I now have a K20 powered car and will have bolt on mods. I dont think I can get a cheaper and more flexible upgrade than a K Pro. Not saying it is the best, but for my budget and modification it is the most suitable.

Before you guys chew me about variables of each car etc....my point is that a ECU is only as good as your mods and budget or lack of it. It doesnt always give you as much as you think (as my mate found out).

Cheers:D

[EL_DC5]

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[hinezz]

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so what ecu hav u chosen for ur application?

[EL_DC5]

I spoke to scotty and he said. He can do either and said that the Autronic is what he would use. Better gains for him. I think i'll get the Autronic, keep the money in Australia with the Aussie product.

But it also depends on the Money situation. i plan to do this within the next 2-4 months.