Battery Problems....

[LXRY]

Hi everyone just wondering whether anyone has had problems with there battery's ? My battery has gone flat on me four times in total ive done 40,000 klm's on the clock so far......once had the stereo on for too long while washing the car though....but the rest of the times....hmmmm, nothing really to make it go flat.

Is my battery covered in warranty ? Does it have it's own warranty (not Honda warranty) ?

[tony1234]

Battery has 2 year warranty from Honda.

[LXRY]

Thanks Tony1234 :)

[tony1234]

The battery is also crap.I've had it go "semi"flat on me(not enough to start car)when i had a bluetooth car kit installed.I left the radio running for approx.1 hr.:thumbdwn:

[EuroAccord13]

Once a battery has been flat before, it will never recharge to full capacity again....

[tony1234]

It didn't go dead flat,just flat enough that it turned over slowly and then the starter motor went click click click.It's happened twice,would that shorten the life of the battery that much?

[aaronng]

It didn't go dead flat,just flat enough that it turned over slowly and then the starter motor went click click click.It's happened twice,would that shorten the life of the battery that much?

That's pretty much flat. I remember learning that lead acid batteries had to be stored almost fully charged. Once they get to about 60% (if I remember correctly), the capacity just drops down permanently. It's because when it is used, the lead plates are converted to lead sulphate. Lead sulphate is brittle and if it breaks off the plate, will sit on the bottom of your battery where it cannot be recovered.

Of course, technology has advanced since the standard lead acid batteries, and the new gel-acid batteries are less likely to have bits of the "used" plate break off because the gel is denser and doesn't allow much movement.

BTW, the OEM battery is pretty much rubbish (300 CCA). You can get a good AC Delco or Supercharge Gold battery (430-450 CCA) for only $90.

[traumatized]

^^

as aaron has said the ac delco and the supercharge gold batteries are great batteries and the length of the warranty periods are a bonus. great batteries to consider when in the market for a new battery.

[tony1234]

That's pretty much flat. I remember learning that lead acid batteries had to be stored almost fully charged. Once they get to about 60% (if I remember correctly), the capacity just drops down permanently. It's because when it is used, the lead plates are converted to lead sulphate. Lead sulphate is brittle and if it breaks off the plate, will sit on the bottom of your battery where it cannot be recovered.

Of course, technology has advanced since the standard lead acid batteries, and the new gel-acid batteries are less likely to have bits of the "used" plate break off because the gel is denser and doesn't allow much movement.

BTW, the OEM battery is pretty much rubbish (300 CCA). You can get a good AC Delco or Supercharge Gold battery (430-450 CCA) for only $90.
I'd hate to live in a cold place like Canada and be relying on the OEM battery to start when it's -30C or lower!:(BTW my amps(although not large)wouldn't help as far as battery longivity is concerned.:(

[aaronng]

I'd hate to live in a cold place like Canada and be relying on the OEM battery to start when it's -30C or lower!:(BTW my amps(although not large)wouldn't help as far as battery longivity is concerned.:(

In the US, the TSX comes with a 400 CCA battery stock. And even so, TSX owners are complaining about it! LOL

[hotout]

AC Delco or Supercharge Gold battery (430-450 CCA) for only $90.

where could we get one of these?

[aaronng]

where could we get one of these?

A hardware shop nearby here sells the Supercharge Gold for $90. Just go to any battery shop and ask for the price.

[tony1234]

A hardware shop nearby here sells the Supercharge Gold for $90. Just go to any battery shop and ask for the price.
Sounds like a good price.What warranty does it have and where in Sydney would you get one.:)

[aaronng]

Sounds like a good price.What warranty does it have and where in Sydney would you get one.:)

I think it's 3 years. I'd just try any battery place nearby. I found the place selling the Supercharge Gold just because I was in the area to get a Subway sandwich for lunch. :)

[tony1234]

I think it's 3 years. I'd just try any battery place nearby. I found the place selling the Supercharge Gold just because I was in the area to get a Subway sandwich for lunch. :)
Hahaha,i'll have a 12"sub and a battery to go!

[EuroAccord13]

Yeap I went with Aaron to get the battery for my car SuperCharge Gold comes with a 3 Year Warranty... 90bucks!

[panda[cRx]]

it's VERY rare to have a battery fault with the current range, almost all of the time it's user error (leave radio/lights on etc).

tony1234 said it's a 2yr warranty but from memory it may be one year.
also regardless of how old the battery is the only way you will get a new battery out of warranty is if a honda dealers battery tester shows the battery is faulty

[yfin]

yeah there is something in the warranty info for the euro about excluding deterioration due to use and exposure.

[EUR003act]

Very correct, I've sold batteries (amoung many other things) for over 4years now... once a standard 12v lead acid drops below 9-10v (approx) it'll never regain charge completly. whereas the new gel-cell batteries (the same type of batteries used for solar power battery banks) can be completly discharged and recharged with no problems :) having said all that, a dead leadacid battery can sometimes be revived (ive brought to life a 12v battery thats was reading 4v under no load!) by using a battery zapper and/or battery rejuvinator. Inox sell rejuvenator, but considering how small the euro battery is, it might be worth the investment of buying a larger capacity (CCA and AHr) battery.

[OMG.JAI xD]

i would recommend buying a battery charger.
an overnighter one. and leave the car on charge every night. saves alot of battery life.

the place where i work have HEAPS of them.
only reason is, that we work on euro cars.
and they have more than 20 computers on board, and sometimes if theres a fault, it drains power out of the battery.
so the Ah (amps per hour) rating drops.

instead of buying new batteries all the time.
spend 50 bux of so on a slow charging battery charger (that stops wen batteries fully charged, of course)

i think you guys have this problem cause honda didnt use to have heaps of computer controlled stuff.
and now the euro is a luxury car with heaps of electronic/with-a-push-of-a-button gizmos.

bt goodluck wit hthe batteries :)

[EUR003act]

i dont know about going the full extent of charging every night, i cant be bothered. but yes your correct, new cars drain alot of power, if your driving home every night, aircon on full, headlights on, driving lights on, stereo turned up load, seat heaters on, blah blah blah, you pull into your drive way and turn the engine off, ofcourse the battery will suffer. i usually turn off all uneeded utilities before i get into my suburb, gives the alternator a chance to recharge the battery a lil. and yess the euro battery is way to small (46AHr) especially for cold canberra moring, trying to start a car with 200-250CCA and then jumping in trying to use seat heaters and everything else.

[aaronng]

The battery for the Euro is the same size as that for the Mazda 121. :)

[OMG.JAI xD]

yeh well cahrgin evrynite would help though.
only annoying thing is...extension cords :/

bt i would recommend a charge evrynite.
saves alotta trouble :D

[CL69]

I have friends with 4wd's who use these mega pulse units on their deep cycle batteries/main batteries. They swear by this device to keep their batteries in tip top shape. For $120.00, its better than changing your battery every few years. Copy the following link into google and check it out for yourself!!!
http://www.megapulse.net/FAB/faq.htm

[aaronng]

yeh well cahrgin evrynite would help though.
only annoying thing is...extension cords :/

bt i would recommend a charge evrynite.
saves alotta trouble :D

The Euro shouldn't require to be hooked up to a charger everynight just to ensure battery life. :)

Anyway, the fastest way to drain your battery is to leave your headlights on, use the radio/CD for an hour or to leave the A/C fan running without the engine running. If you don't do these things, your battery should last pretty long.

[tony1234]

;1303239']it's VERY rare to have a battery fault with the current range, almost all of the time it's user error (leave radio/lights on etc).

tony1234 said it's a 2yr warranty but from memory it may be one year.
also regardless of how old the battery is the only way you will get a new battery out of warranty is if a honda dealers battery tester shows the battery is faulty
I'm sure it's 2 yrs on the battery,i'll check the manual and confirm.If it fails in warranty they'll only replace it with another crappy OEM one so for 90 bucks i might go for the Supercharge gold.

[panda[cRx]]

I'm sure it's 2 yrs on the battery,i'll check the manual and confirm.If it fails in warranty they'll only replace it with another crappy OEM one so for 90 bucks i might go for the Supercharge gold.
sorry it is two years :thumbsup:

but yes it will need to fail a honda battery test and not be caused by leaving ur lights on etc

[tron07]

Okay.... Optima yellow top when ICE goes in....

[EUR003act]

The battery for the Euro is the same size as that for the Mazda 121. :)

say no more... point made :p lol

[aaronng]

Okay.... Optima yellow top when ICE goes in....

Hmm, but there are no yellow tops in the right size and/or orientation for the Euro. The 51R was discontinued after the problem with the spiral cells cracking came up. For now, the only choice is the red top in 34R and 35R (which are bigger than stock). Alternatively, you can put the battery in rotated 180º around, but the terminals will be slightly to the front of the car instead of to the rear like stock.

[LXRY]

Thanks guys for the input......Called dealership, they told me that I had to bring the car in so they can test the battery....as stated by panda[cRx] above.

I will go and do the test to see if that'll show something (Highly unlikely).
After this I will go and buy a decent battery as stated above.

Never knew that if I let it go flat ONCE that I'de have so many dramas ?? (Hate to be stuck in the middle of no where, Honda reliabilty you say !! Hmmmmm makes you think).

Out of curiosity do the standard euro's have the same batteries as the lxry models ? Only reason asking is the talk of extra electronics as stated above.

[EUR003act]

Out of curiosity do the standard euro's have the same batteries as the lxry models ? Only reason asking is the talk of extra electronics as stated above.

yeah they do :( honda obviously thought alot about that :p

[LXRY]

Yeap I went with Aaron to get the battery for my car SuperCharge Gold comes with a 3 Year Warranty... 90bucks!


Where can I get one of these batteries from in Melbourne ?

[aaronng]

Never knew that if I let it go flat ONCE that I'de have so many dramas ?? (Hate to be stuck in the middle of no where, Honda reliabilty you say !! Hmmmmm makes you think).

Out of curiosity do the standard euro's have the same batteries as the lxry models ? Only reason asking is the talk of extra electronics as stated above.
When the car is running, the battery doesn't matter much. It only matters when the car is off (alternator is not running).

[LXRY]

When the car is running, the battery doesn't matter much. It only matters when the car is off (alternator is not running).


Yep I understand, thats when it's failed me...when I go to start it, sometimes even after the car has been on aswell

[K24A]

how long is the euro battery suppose to last, on average?

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

Always test your car battery with your tongue.

[aaronng]

Where can I get one of these batteries from in Melbourne ?

I picked up my AC Delco from a Honda dealer in Sydney, while EuroAccord13 got his Supercharge Gold from a local car accessory/parts shop in Clayton.

[aaronng]

how long is the euro battery suppose to last, on average?

If you don't abuse it, it should last over 3 years.

[LXRY]

I picked up my AC Delco from a Honda dealer in Sydney, while EuroAccord13 got his Supercharge Gold from a local car accessory/parts shop in Clayton.

Thanks Aaron, I will pm EuroAccord13 and ask for the details....

[EuroAccord13]

Average battery lasts about three years with normal usage...

[aaronng]

Average battery lasts about three years with normal usage...

I think yours could have lasted longer if not for the foggies. heheheh :)

[EuroAccord13]

I think yours could have lasted longer if not for the foggies. heheheh :)


Shaaadaaaap and go shower!


On a serious note, I think the SuperCharge Gold battery is BFYB for a mere $90......

[yfin]

Shaaadaaaap and go shower!


On a serious note, I think the SuperCharge Gold battery is BFYB for a mere $90......

That is a good price - I did a ring around in February and that battery was around $110

[panda[cRx]]

Average battery lasts about three years with normal usage...

depends on the car, how well the battery is maintained and what you classify as 'normal use'. i quite regularly see oem battteries that last 5-7 years (although that usually seems to be on 2000-ish crv's and accords :confused:)

[aaronng]

;1305687']depends on the car, how well the battery is maintained and what you classify as 'normal use'. i quite regularly see oem battteries that last 5-7 years (although that usually seems to be on 2000-ish crv's and accords :confused:)

Those got a nice N70 size battery. My dad's 94 CD4 is on its 2nd battery in its life. LOL. Too bad the Euro comes with the equivalent of an N40 battery size.

[tron07]

Hmm, but there are no yellow tops in the right size and/or orientation for the Euro. The 51R was discontinued after the problem with the spiral cells cracking came up. For now, the only choice is the red top in 34R and 35R (which are bigger than stock). Alternatively, you can put the battery in rotated 180º around, but the terminals will be slightly to the front of the car instead of to the rear like stock.

hehehe... didnt know there were no more yellow top for euro.... red top also can :thumbsup:

Rotating the battries terminals are not really my cup of tea. In the event of a accident, the chances of the bonet hitting the terminals becomes slightly higher, cause the terminal is in front... Will think of it when I want to upgrade.

IMHO, a car battery will last you 2~3 years... never see any battery last longer then 4 years. For my other car, the stock battery last me 2 years and 9 month, then upgrade to a slightly bigger (From N60-N70), which last me 2 years 8/9 months also. Now on the 3rd battery. However this is not in Aussie.

[Pumped]

The Yellow Top Optima D75/25 Fits fine

[aaronng]

The Yellow Top Optima D75/25 Fits fine

Ahh, I forgot about the D75/25. But the battery terminals are still the wrong way around as it is as it is almost the same as the D35 but with the extra terminals in front. So you still have to rotate it 180º.

[Pumped]

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[aaronng]

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If you had the stock terminals clamps, you wouldn't be able to rotate it without forcing like you did with your positive terminal clamp.

[LXRY]

Had my battery tested at my dealership and what do you know it tested fine, mind you after driving around all day. Maybe next time my battery goes flat when I need it most, I should call them to test it then, or even better get them to give me a jump start in the middle of the night...... :)

[aaronng]

Had my battery tested at my dealership and what do you know it tested fine, mind you after driving around all day. Maybe next time my battery goes flat when I need it most, I should call them to test it then, or even better get them to give me a jump start in the middle of the night...... :)

What happens when the battery fails you? Do you still get the engine cranking sound or does it just go "click click" when you turn the key?

[panda[cRx]]

your battery tested good. how can you expect replacement when it tests fine?

*looks at printout from battery tester*
voltage: 12.75v
measured: 350cca
temperature: 39c

[aaronng]

12.75V is good! The Euro still starts even if your voltage drops to 11.8V. LXRY, your problem with starting is not caused by the battery but is something else. What happens when you can't start? We need more details on what you hear.

[LXRY]

12.75V is good! The Euro still starts even if your voltage drops to 11.8V. LXRY, your problem with starting is not caused by the battery but is something else. What happens when you can't start? We need more details on what you hear.


Just click click click Aaron, then i jump start it and it starts...I was told that it might be the starter motor that I should bring it in too test it....hmmmmm

[LXRY]

;1307879']your battery tested good. how can you expect replacement when it tests fine?

*looks at printout from battery tester*
voltage: 12.75v
measured: 350cca
temperature: 39c


Sorry panda but I wasn't given the print out and I was expecting the battery to be charged after driving all morning, anyway. And as for battery replacement I have several other vehicles and had similar problems with faulty batteries...Toyota's, Nissan's, Mercedes and all batteries have been replaced without even being tested, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I didn't make much of a big deal about it too the mechanic anyway, after all the problems I have had with my lemon of a car and the way Honda have treated me I dont think too much of Honda at the moment I am relying more on ozhonda members too help rather than Honda.

My car pulls heavily too the right under camber, even after several attempts at explaining the issue to my dealership, NOTHING has been done !! All I get "your car is fine". I have vibrations, creaking noises all over my car, oh I forget Honda don't cover these even if it was from day one....

You always think I bitch.....but look at it from my side of the fence, I paid $45,000 for this car. Something went wrong at 5,000klm's mate not 50,000klm's problem wasn't rectified, although I was told it was. How would you like to be driving a car that pulls to the right all the time and get denial from dealership and Honda Aust. My sunroof constantly rattles, again a problem which i have brought up to my dealership constantly ( all i get is silicone spray put on there...lol) I use to be able to muffle it out by turning up the stereo loud, but now I can't do that anymore cause when I both my doors vibrate, not too mention a vibration from the parcel shelf, i get a cracking noise from my door when I open and shut it you want me too go on.....I have replaced a set of tyres because of tyre wear, my car has only done 40,000klm, squeeky drivers seat which after 2 attempts has not been rectified, a big scratch on my boot after i took my car to my dealership (not gona mention names, you know where, and still I didn't say anything) and now I'm bitching about a battery you think.....makes me wonder.

It's not a money issue. I'm not a tight ass. I don't lie. I am quite honest.

[aaronng]

Just click click click Aaron, then i jump start it and it starts...I was told that it might be the starter motor that I should bring it in too test it....hmmmmm

When you keep trying over 10 times, does it eventually start or still go click? Makes me wonder if it is an immobiliser problem.

One thing you can do is hook up a multimeter to the battery to read how many volts it is supplying and then start your car. If the voltage drops to below 11V when you start, then the battery is at fault.

[ok2]

Well I think my battery is suspect as well. Not as bad LXRY's as it has never failed to start but it definitely cranks slowly if left overnight and I moved it from the street to the driveway i.e. start it, drive it for 30 seconds and then leave it overnight. Had the Honda dealer test it and it was OK but of course it was after driving to the dealer (approx 30 minutes).

As per all the posts elsewhere I agree that the standard battery is just adequate and most cases Honda will not replace as it meets their spec.

Got myself a rattle after they replaced by window motors to fix the "squeeking" when winding them so I sympathise but LXRY seems to have a bad run.

[LXRY]

When you keep trying over 10 times, does it eventually start or still go click? Makes me wonder if it is an immobiliser problem.

One thing you can do is hook up a multimeter to the battery to read how many volts it is supplying and then start your car. If the voltage drops to below 11V when you start, then the battery is at fault.

After 10 times it goes dead all I get is click click in the dash area eventually it sh*ts itself all together and does nothing....it is the battery I assure you.

Doesn't matter anyway I'm in the process of buying another one, i can't afford be stuck !! Especially when my mrs and the kids have the car.

Just thought I'de start the thread so could get a fair idea of others with same problem if any......thanks guys, input much appreciated :thumbsup:

[tony1234]

After 10 times it goes dead all I get is click click in the dash area eventually it sh*ts itself all together and does nothing....it is the battery I assure you.

Doesn't matter anyway I'm in the process of buying another one, i can't afford be stuck !! Especially when my mrs and the kids have the car.

Just thought I'de start the thread so could get a fair idea of others with same problem if any......thanks guys, input much appreciated :thumbsup:
Get the Supercharge Gold for $90 bucks.:thumbsup:

[aaronng]

After 10 times it goes dead all I get is click click in the dash area eventually it sh*ts itself all together and does nothing....it is the battery I assure you.

Doesn't matter anyway I'm in the process of buying another one, i can't afford be stuck !! Especially when my mrs and the kids have the car.

Just thought I'de start the thread so could get a fair idea of others with same problem if any......thanks guys, input much appreciated :thumbsup:

I see. Well, I'm using an AC Delco now and EuroAccord13 is using the Supercharge Gold and both of us are happy with the batteries. The Supercharge Gold has slightly higher CCA rating and reserve capacity than the AC Delco, so go for that first.

[traumatized]

I second the Supercharge Gold, good features warranty, cca, reserve capacity and the price is great pick mine up for 90ish from Mekong Spares in Sydney.

I also believe the AC Delco is a good battery also have had it in my rents old tarago for 4years now and it is still going strong. Also picked it up from Mekong when they use to stock them but now they only stock the supercharge range.

[tony1234]

Where in Sydney south can you get a Supercharge Gold??

[traumatized]

Where in Sydney south can you get a Supercharge Gold??

Best to call them on 02 9672 7474 and ask them where there nearest reseller is.

They will most like give you the mobile number of their sales representative that does the area close to you for you to contact them personally, from there you can also ask the sales rep which store sells them for the best price also.

[aaronng]

That or as their website says, "For you nearest Supercharge Dealer, just dial 1300-BATTERY"

[fraqqie]

I second the Supercharge Gold, good features warranty, cca, reserve capacity and the price is great pick mine up for 90ish from Mekong Spares in Sydney.

hahaha they're the guys on canley vale rd, canley vale ey?

[traumatized]

hahaha they're the guys on canley vale rd, canley vale ey?

thats them.