MRJDM
24-07-2004, 01:13 PM
So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.
Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the shit... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)
I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good shit.
All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.
H = 123lb short block or 55.7kg
B = 104lb short block or 47kg
D = 100lb short block + oil pan or 45kg
So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb (8.6kg) heavier in the short block.
NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...
H trans = 96lb (43.5kg)
B trans = 90lb (40.8kg)
OK.. thats 6 lb(2.7kg)... so we have a 25lb (11.3kg) weight increase so far with the H22.
I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.
As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.
So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about
35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.
OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:
D16 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/D16block.jpg
B16 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/b16block.jpg
H22 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/h22block.jpg
B16 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/btrans.jpg
H22 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/htrans.jpg
Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the shit... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)
I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good shit.
All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.
H = 123lb short block or 55.7kg
B = 104lb short block or 47kg
D = 100lb short block + oil pan or 45kg
So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb (8.6kg) heavier in the short block.
NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...
H trans = 96lb (43.5kg)
B trans = 90lb (40.8kg)
OK.. thats 6 lb(2.7kg)... so we have a 25lb (11.3kg) weight increase so far with the H22.
I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.
As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.
So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about
35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.
OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:
D16 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/D16block.jpg
B16 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/b16block.jpg
H22 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/h22block.jpg
B16 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/btrans.jpg
H22 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/htrans.jpg