To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you t

[MRJDM]

So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.
Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the shit... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)

I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good shit.

All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.

H = 123lb short block or 55.7kg
B = 104lb short block or 47kg
D = 100lb short block + oil pan or 45kg

So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb (8.6kg) heavier in the short block.

NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...

H trans = 96lb (43.5kg)
B trans = 90lb (40.8kg)

OK.. thats 6 lb(2.7kg)... so we have a 25lb (11.3kg) weight increase so far with the H22.

I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.

As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.

So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about

35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.

OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:

D16 Block:

http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/D16block.jpg

B16 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/b16block.jpg

H22 Block:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/h22block.jpg

B16 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/btrans.jpg

H22 Trans:
http://www.cj-motorsports.com/hvsb/htrans.jpg

[[[d a n n y]]]

hm..yes good research dude :)

[PhatMirage]

Make sure you read the rest of the thread though, cause there is more to it than that post. Especially the point about the H22 sitting further fowards in the engine bay than the B series motors.

[wynode]

As above........and you must realise in a [acronym:728fb61f7a="Front Wheel Drive"]FWD[/acronym:728fb61f7a] car that all you have to do is sit it a few centimeters forward from where the normal engine would be in order to change the blanace of the car.

[ECU-MAN]

nice work dude.

[h22a accord]

go the h22a, they rock. powers along my accord nicely. [acronym:6a7531699c="Japanese Domestic Market"]JDM[/acronym:6a7531699c] is the shiznet

[Toby]

Good research :D

[tinkerbell]

where is the link to the thread you copied it from???

[SIKCVC]

Phatmirage and Wynoda are right... its more to do with its Foward sitting possition.

I know with planes even slight changes in weight considerably aft of the datum can be detrimental as to whether a plane flys or not. \\

I know changing from D serries B serries was an awseme step up in handling and control... the car felt a lot more even to drive. It has a bigger intake so obviously sites further forward. Not much, but enough.

never the less you've proven more so that its not weight thats the real issue.

[MRJDM]

here you go boys heres a thread i started to find out where the h22 sits in a civic. some of the ppl think its sits closer to the firewall. have a read. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=936534
and also what id like to know is how many ppl have come accross this swap in a civic cause it seems many ppl dont really know what they are on about

[Weq]

i seen h22acivic's h22a eg hatch. It defintly looks werid, but it handled fine!

[MRJDM]

i just came from GPC and he also says the h22 sits closer to the firewall. he modifies the engine mounts to sit the h22 more forward.. who told you guys the h22 sit more to the front?

[carbine]

It depends on the type of mounts you use. The engine can be angled back towards the firewall but there will be problems with the axle's and other things like bottom end lubrication.