T4 Turbo for my civic (HAVE A LOOK)

[getm_up]

hey guys im getting this turbo kits from the states. come with............
T4 TURBO KIT
T4 TURBO
SUPER T4 TOP MOUNT
ACCESSORY PIPES
60MM HKS STY WG

Price
$1,500.00

wat would be the best motor to chuck it on, and tell me what you think of it?

[bennjamin]

you want to buy a turbo kit ~and dont even have a engine / car to use it on ? Thats abit stupid.

[barefootbonzai]

wat would be the best motor to chuck it on, and tell me what you think of it?

SR20DET, it'll be sweeet!!!!!

[getm_up]

you want to buy a turbo kit ~and dont even have a engine / car to use it on ? Thats abit stupid.

how thats stupid ppl always dont start fomr the motors and go from there, i just went a different way first....

how much for $sr20det

[Zdster]

SR20DET, it'll be sweeet!!!!!

Dont be silly - RB20! :D

[Killa From Manila]

well how about start with an engine that kit was designed for??? duh

[SiReal]

well what engine was that motor designed for?

[defect]

you ask silly questions, expect silly replys

[getm_up]

well i never thought of that lol, but all the turbo kits are for civics and some integras

[Mr_will]

once we put about 10, maybe 15 grand in it...it will decimate all. if we have to...overnight parts from JAPAN.

seriously though, the best engine for that turbo would be a k24/k20a hybrid

[getm_up]

[QUOTE=Mr_will;1316342]once we put about 10, maybe 15 grand in it...it will decimate all. if we have to...overnight parts from JAPAN.

lol

how much for either of those, i bet %#@%$%@#% loads

[SiReal]

better to not get this. and get the one that VTC_8OY has for sale in the FS forum. at least u know its complete.

[Sexc86]

geeze... cmon man im not usually the person to poke fun or hang shit on people but seriously.... man i think you have lots of reading and research to do before you even think about attempting a project like this. Sorry mate, but you should try take a bit of Initiative in lerning things buy going out and finding info for yourself rather then just jumping up on a forem and expecting people to just tell you want you wanna hear.

However here are many many sites that can help you in your quest. Please mate im urging you to go out there lern your stuff and come back here and proove us wrong.

www.google.com
www.howstuffworks.com
www.honda-tech.com
www.hondatech.com.au
www.turbod16.com
www.D-series.org
www.turbocivic.com
www.homemadeturbo.com

thats a few off my head, i know there are a few others in relation to k's and b's around but maybe someone else can post them as i never go there.

Cheers mate and good luck


Regards Lyle


ps. if you are going to try something like this. Remember this rule.

*** YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR ***

be very carefull when buying parts especially from ebay. stick to brand name parts and combinations of parts that have been used before and have proven to give resonable results. Stay away from No-name Ebay junk that looks nice and shiney and cheap... especially when it says "EVERYTHING YOU NEED! STRAIT BOLT ON!!!" <------ That is a lie and will fool many many noobs.

[hondavti25]

i back lyle... if it wasnt for him i woulda blown my money on shit instead of waiting for the right shit for the right car:)

[Aza]

as for that kit. no where near complete. and as for the engine.... what civic engine is it made for? anyone know what that block is. doesnt look like a D block to me.

[Muzz]

Yeah dude, what engine is the kit made for?
You cant just stick it on any engine you please, the turbo manifold is made for what engine?

[Muzz]

No offence, but i cant think of a worse idea than turboing my car, while having absolutly no idea on even the basics of turbo systems, which its plainly clear you dont. Spend some time reading and learning, start with this book - http://www.freetrust.be/piaa1/Maximum_boost.pdf

Goodluck anyways.

Quick few questions, before we can tell you if the kit is suitable:
What size/specs is the turbo?
What engine setup will you be running?
Built block/stock block?
WHP goals?

I wouldnt touch it for that price, what brand of turbo is it? Is it a knock off ebay wastegate?
Does that price include shipping?

If you cant answer all of these questions, then dont go throwing money at this thing yet.

I really hope for your sake you understand the kit is nowhere near complete and theres a shitload more stuff youll need to run a reliable turbo system. Whats your total budget to be running boosted?

[Muzz]

If you choose to use an engine thats not compatible with the manifold (im assuming you know what a manifold is), youll have basically $1500 on a second hand no name turbo (which will likly be too large for the application), ebay HKS "style" wastegate, and a dump pipe that may not even fit your combo.........

[Waggy]

That's some good responses Sexc86 and Muzz. Sometimes I have to check the URL to make sure this isn't Honda-tech with all the bullshit responses and noob bashing.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

is that $1500 US or $AU. and incudes shipping?

[BlitZ]

ill take it off u if its for a b series and a greddy kit. ; )

best engine to get if you are going backwards in sourceing parts, the best stock motor would be the f20c... make it a unique conversion too

[Waggy]

ill take it off u if its for a b series and a greddy kit. ; )

best engine to get if you are going backwards in sourceing parts, the best stock motor would be the f20c... make it a unique conversion too

Keeping your car now Blitz? :)

[Muzz]

Personally i say deffinatly dont get it, i know we dont have the turbos specs, but from the looks of it, its a large turbo. So unless you want to spend up big bucks building up an engine and turbo system capable of high HP, this turbos not for you.

For a standard turbo system, its way too large, and will be extreemly laggy and perform very poorly.

Ok so you want a turbo system, to get you on your way your going to need to make some initial decisions.

1. Budget
This is the biggest determining factor of your turbo system you run, and on what engine.
How much do you ultimatly wanna spend in the long run?
You could do it cheaply for say $3500-5000 and still have a relativly reliable, well performing setup, or are you happy to spend say $5500-8000 to get all new turbo parts, and build the best possible system for your engine.

On top of the cost of the turbo kit, are you prepared to pay the cost of swapping to a different engine for a better performing base?

What engine you choose wont have much of an effect on the cost of putting together a turbo system for it.

2. Engine choice
Being realistic a turboed k series engine is out of the question, unless you got say $15-20 grand laying around:p

This leaves you with 3 options
D series
This is the cheapest option of them all, D series blocks are cheap as chips. Add to that the fact your current engine is a D, and you would not require an initial engine swap, saving $$$.

D series engines can handle 200-220fwhp reliabily with a good tune. People out there are running 250-260whp on these engines with success, but there pushing the limits. Thats the good thing about d series engines though, you blow your engine, who cares, $300 later you got a new engine, chuck in in, go back out next week and have some fun:thumbsup:

With all turbo systems, the most important factor is having it tuned and tuned well. This is one area you cant skimp on.

Since you already have a d series engine in your car, the money it would cost to swap in a b series could be used to build your d series with forged internals later down the track, allowing you to run anything up to and above 450whp, which sounds a hell of alot more fun to me than a turboed stock b16 or b18!

The most common D series engines over here would be the d16y4 and d16y8. The y4 is a non-vtec engine, the y8 is a vtec engine. Both respond well to boost, but the y8 does have a higher flowing cylinder head, and a short ratio gearbox which make it the better engine.

The head and gearbox can be fitted onto the y4 block in the future if need be, so it doent really matter at all what engine you start with.

B series
Straight away your going to have to spend extra to get the engine, everything needed for the swap, and to do the swap.

The engines of interest are B18b, b18c, and b16a. Theres always b20, but they apparantly have thin sleaves which arnt ideal for boost.

b18b
If i were in your position, and i just HAD to have a turbo b series, this would be my engine of choice.

Mainly because there cheap, alot more so than the vtec b16a, and vtec b18c. They respond really well to boost (well pretty much all these engines do).
They can handle 250-300fwhp reliabily, with people running upto 350whp with success. The downside being they dont have vtec, but hey boost will put a smile back on your dial quick smart.

They produce more torque than the b18c due to a longer stroke, and more than the b16a due to the extra displacement and longer stroke, however they cant be revved as high. The b18b has a longer ratio gearbox than the vtec b sreies engines which can be swapped over, but quite a few actually prefer the longer gearing for there turbo cars.

Add another $2000-$3000??? to swap to a b18b on top of the cost of a turbo kit

B18c
The most expensive option yet, but would lead to the nicest setup. IMO its not worth the extra cost since your going boost anyways. Add say another $4500-5000??? on top of your turbo kit, just to swap to the b18c.

B16a
Nice choice, pretty much the same as the b18c, just with .2Lt less displacement. B18c and b16a are the engines to get if you wanna spend extra to have the best possible setup. Both can handle slightly more power then the b18b, around say 270-320fwhp. Add say another $3000-3500??? on top of your turbo kit, to swap to the b16a.

H series
The last, less common option is to go witrh a H series engine like a h22a.
These engines are alot more torquier due to the larger displacement, they are also slightly heavier than all other options which will slightly throw your cars ballance off.

They require more work to fit, And are also had for a decent price.
I cant really comment much on this engine, as i dont know to much about it.
All i can say is TRACTION ISSUES.
Also its a pretty uncommon swap, for those that value being "different" than everyone else.

Probably about $3500-4000 for the swap.
I dont know much on the costs of conversions, so take my estimates only as a rough guide.

Ok so now you can start thinking about which engine you want to go with, what your budget will be, and your horsepower goals. From there you can start putting together an awsome kit for it with our help.

Personally if i were in your position (and i am, im about to turbo my d series) id stick with your current D series engine, turbo it to around 200-220whp using a 2nd hand turbo, and in the future if you want more power, get the block rebuilt with forged rods & pistons, port the cylinder head, install a turbo camshaft with upgraded valve springs and get a turbo sized correctly for your new power goals.

My next choice would be to swap to a a non-vtec b18b, purely for good bang for buck. Both engines can produce great results.

I cant justify swapping out my d16, when for the same money, i could build it with stronger internals to run 400-450whp. + gearboxes/blocks/heads and spare parts are cheap and easy to find. Im all for bang for buck. Not to mention the fact that its the complete underdog in terms of honda engines, the lightest weight, and no one likes being beat by a sohc 1.6lt:p.

[Muzz]

ill take it off u if its for a b series and a greddy kit. ; )

best engine to get if you are going backwards in sourceing parts, the best stock motor would be the f20c... make it a unique conversion too

Ive heard those f series engines have awsome ports for turbo, it is quite a tricky swap though isnt it? (need to cut into the frame rails??):p

[BlitZ]

Ive heard those f series engines have awsome ports for turbo, it is quite a tricky swap though isnt it? (need to cut into the frame rails??)


Nah man.. its easy if you have a tube frame chasis.. its no rail cutting required... just build around it:thumbsup:

[Muzz]

hehehe;)

[Sexc86]

" you must spred some reputation around before giveing it to muzz again".. hahaha .. nice info man, thats dedication right there!

[getm_up]

:eek: the most best feedback yet, thanks guys :D nar i cancelled the turbo, but yeh i am doing a full work over of my car. taking the engine out rebuilding a better one, forged internals, this and that. cuz i would like to pump some serious hp.

[BlitZ]

:eek: the most best feedback yet, thanks guys :D nar i cancelled the turbo, but yeh i am doing a full work over of my car. taking the engine out rebuilding a better one, forged internals, this and that. cuz i would like to pump some serious hp.

u lucky u from queensland... else i think u full of shit... hahah

POV ftw!

[Killa From Manila]

:eek: the most best feedback yet, thanks guys :D nar i cancelled the turbo, but yeh i am doing a full work over of my car. taking the engine out rebuilding a better one, forged internals, this and that. cuz i would like to pump some serious hp.

sr20?

[creativepunka]

Since you already have a d series engine in your car, the money it would cost to swap in a b series could be used to build your d series with forged internals later down the track, allowing you to run anything up to and above 450whp, which sounds a hell of alot more fun to me than a turboed stock b16 or b18!
The most common D series engines over here would be the d16y4 and d16y8. The y4 is a non-vtec engine, the y8 is a vtec engine. Both respond well to boost, but the y8 does have a higher flowing cylinder head, and a short ratio gearbox which make it the better engine.
I cant justify swapping out my d16, when for the same money, i could build it with stronger internals to run 400-450whp. + gearboxes/blocks/heads and spare parts are cheap and easy to find. Im all for bang for buck. Not to mention the fact that its the complete underdog in terms of honda engines, the lightest weight, and no one likes being beat by a sohc 1.6lt:p.




How many 450WHP D16's are getting around lol. Remember that the american dyno's give alot higher readings than ours, and a B conversion is going to be alot cheaper than a D build that can take 450WHP. As far as i remember the D16y8 and the D16Y4 heads have the same size ports/valves, its just the V-tec that makes it superior. Also the D16y1 is alot better engine than the Y8, the head has alot larger intake ports, the crank and oil pump are also alot better designed.

[Aza]

o yay were getting into this ghey arguement again.

ok lets as a REAL question....

HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT TO PUMP INTO THE ENGINE?

the answer to that will make the path alot clearer.

[Muzz]

How many 450WHP D16's are getting around lol. Remember that the american dyno's give alot higher readings than ours, and a B conversion is going to be alot cheaper than a D build that can take 450WHP. As far as i remember the D16y8 and the D16Y4 heads have the same size ports/valves, its just the V-tec that makes it superior. Also the D16y1 is alot better engine than the Y8, the head has alot larger intake ports, the crank and oil pump are also alot better designed.

Some good info there:thumbsup: but yeah completly not getting into the b vs d thing again though.

The costs would be very simular building your current d series engine, to swapping in a stock b series, ive spent the last 5-6 months working out the costs to go either route.

A d16 block, rebuilt with forged pistons & rods with new isnt going to set you back any more than the $3500-$5500 its gunna cost to swap to vtec b series. Youd probably have cash left over for some upgraded valve springs and a nice cheap sohc turbo cam from comp cams aswell.

Definatly not everyones cup of tea, just the path id rather take ATM.

[creativepunka]

Some good info there:thumbsup: but yeah completly not getting into the b vs d thing again though.

The costs would be very simular building your current d series engine, to swapping in a stock b series, ive spent the last 5-6 months working out the costs to go either route.

A d16 block, rebuilt with forged pistons & rods with new isnt going to set you back any more than the $3500-$5500 its gunna cost to swap to vtec b series. Youd probably have cash left over for some upgraded valve springs and a nice cheap sohc turbo cam from comp cams aswell.

Definatly not everyones cup of tea, just the path id rather take ATM.


Lol yep thats the path im also taking.:cool:

[Muzz]

sr20?

Nar, 2jz swap with nas.

























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[getm_up]

gonna pump around $5,000 to $7,000 possibly more.(not including the price of the engine). was leaning towards b18c

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

This thread is so dumb, if he was getting a kit he would have already decided on a motor, how else is the exhaust manifold he's getting going to fit.

He also says he now cancelled the turbo and is going forged internals.

To me this sounds like a BS skywalker attention thread.

[Sexc86]

agreed, mods please close this!

[Muzz]

No harm, the OP just needs to spend some time working out the pros and cons of going down each route, while being realistic about the costs involved.

I think the best advice any of us could give, would be not to rush into anything, make sure you know exactly what you want once your cars finished, then work towards it.

For example, you wouldnt build a built turbo b18c engine if you wanted to do regular circuit racing. Unless of course you got a shitload of money and can risk screwing over a 15g engine setup.

[Lukezen27]

Well that was a good read for me :thumbsup:

I have a GReddy Kit sitting right next to me and spread all across the floor ready for install onto my D16Y1 and I can't wait :)

One hose Clam short dam it hehehe

Just waiting for a few more thing to buy ie gauges and alike lol

Though I'm not trying to make D HP records just want to make my car a bit funner to drive :thumbsup:

For only $2080 AU Shipped plus maybe 1K install dam go value IMO

Not sure what the the standard GReddy kit makes power wise without fuel Management but I can always grab some Lub injectors down the track anyway :wave:

I only 2" Exhaust is this going to be to small at 5 to 8 PSI?

LukeZen