B18c7 or k20a/k24a

[nvdvtc]

Hey guyz and girls

well i wanna ask is that, i got a em1 i did a conversion 2 a b18c7 all internals but wat would u reccommend b18c7 worked internals or k20a/k24 worked internals im findin very hard 2 choosee from. wat would u guyz reckon.....????

[Greylock]

the k series engines are somehow more expensive i think as they are newer than the b series engines..try the b series if u have the chance and if u have the extra cash..try on the k24!!

[hai]

i'd say if you already have an b18c7 ; stick to the b18c7 internal worked..

cheers dude

[XP02ED]

if money aint an issue go with k24/k20 ;D all depends on ya budget

[Q_ball]

Someone needs to do more reading,
Try going through the Noob forum a bit more - been covered many times!

[IZY-10]

the only way to tell is to ask someone on the forums if they can take you for a spin in there k20/24 converted civic. So then you can feel the difference

[baeshin]

yeh someone take me for a ride

[zco]

tell us your budget first.

[Dy_]

k20/24 are newer engines will cost approx. 10g? give or take.

There are new technologies used here hence giving you the options of mods that you cant do with the b series.

as Q ball said...read up!!

my opinion k20 if you got the money yo!

[nvdvtc]

well i this is the thing i got the b18c7 in my car right now imma go dyno tune it with dyno and after go eastern creek and denz compare it with the k20a/24a

[[ricer]]

well i this is the thing i got the b18c7 in my car right now imma go dyno tune it with dyno and after go eastern creek and denz compare it with the k20a/24a

sounds good

so whats with the plates then? NAB16A? sleeper :D

[HRD2BQT]

Hey guyz and girls

well i wanna ask is that, i got a em1 i did a conversion 2 a b18c7 all internals but wat would u reccommend b18c7 worked internals or k20a/k24 worked internals im findin very hard 2 choosee from. wat would u guyz reckon.....????

What exactly you mean by b18c7 all internals? Is it an actual b18c7 motor or a normal B series with type r internals?

Worked internals you mean including bottom end or just the head (cams, valve springs, retainers)? Coz to me I dont see any reason why wud any1 bother opt for a relatively still expensive B18CR motor then crank it open particularly the bottom end n replace with aftermarket parts (i wud only touch the head if its my b18cr). You might as well start with d cheaper options of going B20 or even a stroked B16. Or simply boost your R motor (best bang for buck for HP).

Put it this way, a well built internals B Series motor w/ I/H/E/ECU is comparable to Stock Internal K20A2 with I/H/E+KPRO HP wise (between 140kw atw maybe less) so guessing a well built K24/20 frank wud b somewer 160kw+ atw (knowing that a stock internal K24A3 with shyt headers pumps 140kw atw). I dont have personal experience driving a well built B series nor K20A2 I/H/E/KPRO. But i have both driven a stock DC2R and DC5R and I tell yah, TORQUE of K series pwns B series. Im a strong bliver of TORQUE wins RACES.

B series do not get as much gains to bolt ons compare to K series.

like what wud everydbody say, all comes down as to what your budget is.

You need to budget at least 12G+ for K swap. Sell your B18C7 for around 5G's+ and all you need is another 6-7G's and u can do K swaps. Or Put that 6-7G's to the B18C7 (id boost it for that money 6-9psi)

or check out my FS thread for K24/20 parts:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71858

[Zdster]

well i this is the thing i got the b18c7 in my car right now imma go dyno tune it with dyno and after go eastern creek and denz compare it with the k20a/24a

Unless you have at least $12k dont even contemplate getting a k series.

[fatboyz39]

To get K series powered car into the 12's will cost 15k+. Just work opn the b18c with good headers (Buddy club tri), good intake , Tunable ECU (hondata s200/s300) and a good tune. With those combinations easy should be aiming for mid-high 13's.

[barefootbonzai]

I got 3 words Turbo D-Series!

It's simple K > B

Like everyone has said, it's all depends on your budget, K swap is around double the cost of a B18CR swap.

[Benson]

Who built the b18c7 or is it OEM? Hopefully its OEM

[nvdvtc]

my b18c7 is worked from top 2 bottom im done with it i want more power thats why im askin wats better k or b

[[RSX 03]]

Someone needs to do more reading,
Try going through the Noob forum a bit more - been covered many times!

x chu

[Benson]

my b18c7 is worked from top 2 bottom im done with it i want more power thats why im askin wats better k or b

can you list the mods and what kind of power output? Who did all the work?

You should sit down and think it through. We have had great success with our B20's. Basic set-up and its doing 13's easily. If you worked it abit more 12's could be had in no time.

K-series are a good package but it cost too much when their are other package deals out there that could pull that kind of numbers.

[STOCK]

his got a built motor by GPC goes very well..
if you want big power just add boost!

[honda_ek4]

p platers can't drive turbo, so enough said about turboing it for him.

[nvdvtc]

hitech headers with vision 2.5inch cat bak, skunk pro 2 cams sharfts, cam gears, valesprings, retainer,toda high compression piston 11.5, conrods , hodata s100, type R gear box with lsd, skunk pro 2 intake, mugen air box, toda lighten flywheel i think thats abt it i cant rememeber much but yeah.....

[nvdvtc]

and im only missin crank sharfts and injectors everything else has been upgraded

[zco]

what do you mean you are missing crankshaft and injectors..

is your motor finsihed building or is it in the process of getting built ? are you using stock crank and injectors ? who tuned your car ??

[nvdvtc]

um im usin stock type R crank and injectors im getting dyno dave 2 tune....

[fatboyz39]

wow sounds like a very similar setup someone got from GPC.

What kind of pwoer you expecting?

[IZY-10]

you got a port and polished head?

[.::F[L]Y::.]

interested to see how this would run down the 1/4

[nvdvtc]

ahahha yeah man um yeah port polished everything is dont but just type R crank and injectors everything eles upgraded well im hopin 2 hit the 130 to 140 mark and doin high 13 in a quater mile yup well im gonna be runnnin it in around 2 to 3 weeks time so0o if u wanna come down 2 see then ill see u guyz there ill let u guyz noe when i go .... cheerz

[nvdvtc]

and yeah i got my car done at GPC......

[honda_ek4]

what suspension/brake setup do you have atm in your car?

[nvdvtc]

um mr terry at the moment i dont hav any lolz well only front strup is spoon and rear strup is sparco but im gettin tiien flex wateva how u spell it and CTR rear sway and front sway....

[honda_ek4]

hehe stock brakes?

[nvdvtc]

yeah stock vtir breaks goottta upgraded them

[blahZ]

WOW how much is your engine worth?

[nvdvtc]

um all together i spend was around 15 to 18g or more im not sure

[blahZ]

DAMN!!
if you really want a k why don u sell your engine?

[zco]

nvdvtec. i think i can safely say. for 15-18g's. you got ripped off. =(

[blahZ]

:eek:uh oh

[AutoNoob]

how do u know so much about cars? are u all mechanics or you just take your car apart and put it back together hehe.
Im noob. I am saving for about 20k by end of next year to do up a cxi.
What are the exact places you get stuff done to your car? like webaddresses? addresses? phone numbers?

[blahZ]

why don you jst turbo ur Dseries and spend the rest of your money on somthin better like a trip somwhere?

[kn1ghtm4r3]

coz turbos the easy way out.

lolol spend mo money =)

w0ah 18k soo expensive. k power baby

[Benson]

wow 15g for the engine package is very exxy
hopefully you'll get the numbers and very importantly the 1/4 time you are looking for. I would be expecting 12s if I spent that much money

[[200]]

I was considering doing this conversion to my EK.

I bought the block, head and a set of studs... My plans were,

- strip block and send to USA to sleeve and bore to suit pistons
- low compression cp pistons with carrillo rods
- ati harmonic balancer
- gt35 turbo

I wasn't too sure which transmission I could use safely as I've read that the Acura RSX-S don't like the extra torque.

You would be surprised how cheap things are over in the states, you really can save quite a bit of money if you shop around or join up on some of their forums. Even shipping is quite cheap too!

But I decided to sell my EK and now have the part sitting there. lol

best of luck with it all

[nvdvtc]

ahaha yeha well i cant say it i dont hav a pq point so0 yeah but im gettin rid of the engine soon im doin k series set up but im not sure if i should do that.....

[[200]]

I will find some video's...

[gtrmaniac]

lols duy keep the b series ur throwing away money if u do a k series, ur like throwing away like 10k if u do k series, 10K!!!!!! jst put a b20 block on ur car with high comp pistons up ur gear ratios and lose more weight LOLS!!! and u shld get 12s hahahaha

[nvdvtc]

ahaha yeah true but i dont noe thanh ahahhaa....

[[200]]

And you will get 10's with a turbo k series...

[HRD2BQT]

um all together i spend was around 15 to 18g or more im not sure

Whoaaaa.....thats hella expensive, even if u factor the labour costs with it.


ahaha yeha well i cant say it i dont hav a pq point so0 yeah but im gettin rid of the engine soon im doin k series set up but im not sure if i should do that.....

B or K it doesn't matter.....as long as you're happy. The way I see it, you really want to go the K series route coz its the "IN" thing for honda this days.

Put it this way, figure out first how much u reckon you can get selling your current B18C7 motor. Considering all the mods done to it, I wud expect at least 8G's for the whole package (Motor, gearbox,I/H/E,ecu) WHy not ask charlie if maybe you coulld trade ur motor in for a K24/20 set-up? This way you wudnt have to go tru heaps of tyrekickers & hugglers (like me :) hahahah) inquiry in selling ur motor. If you could get 8G's for it then yeah awesome, then you'll only need to top up another 7G's or so to do the Kswaps.

Tough decision you have to make :).....goodluck with it all

[nvdvtc]

hey guyz i mean i spend 15 to 18g on the b16a and the b18c7 the money is together......

[nvdvtc]

well the k20/24 will cost me around 25 inculin coliover camber kit and k pro computer all internals......... im not sure how much it will cost but yeah should be over that much........

[blahZ]

are u serious shouldnt cost that much

[[200]]

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:P

[[200]]

well the k20/24 will cost me around 25 inculin coliover camber kit and k pro computer all internals......... im not sure how much it will cost but yeah should be over that much........

Who quoted you that?

It shouldn't be that much and I would hope that its turbocharged!

[HRD2BQT]

hold on hold on.....25G's??? HOLLY MOLLY VALANCE!!!! arnt we just simply discussing about choosing between B18C7 and K24/20? Wat R u tryina build here, a Drag or a Track car?

Again comes down to what your budget is and what you want done ie Motorwise, Handlingwise & aestheticwise asyou need to budget them specifically.

[nvdvtc]

ahahah well the k series parts cost alot of money right there u go

[nvdvtc]

well the cars gonna hav handlin and power

[nvdvtc]

http:// http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/nvdvtc/Image084.jpg http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/nvdvtc/Image083.jpg herre my top end motor in the b18c7

[.::F[L]Y::.]

fck 15k! i really hope you hit 12s with that setup.

[HRD2BQT]

Y::.;1325722']fck 15k! i really hope you hit 12s with that setup.

John he already said thats the total between his B16 and B18 build together :) so would safely say around 9G's for the B18C7 alone.

[fatboyz39]

12sec motor FTW

[nvdvtc]

dont noe havnt went dyno tune and the creek......

[[200]]

ahahah well the k series parts cost alot of money right there u go

They shouldn't cost anything more than any other 4 cylinder honda! If people are charging you more than you're quite frankly being ripped off.

[nvdvtc]

its depend on wat brand n parts ur getting as well.......

[kazam]

im not highjacking but a question that may help the threadstarter to, what are peoples thoughts,

howmany KW ATW am i to expect with:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73588

with those exact mods

VS

a b18c7 with basically the same mods made by the same person

[[200]]

?


Motor similar to this setup has achieve 13.4@102 MPH in our DC2R shell. Dyno'ed about 123kw atw at Bel garage dyno. (low reading dyno)


Clearly less with the B18

[fatboyz39]

;1351159']?



Clearly less with the B18

Yes it did. B18c achieved with the same bolt-ons were 13.6 down 1/4mile.

[[200]]

Nice edit...

[xntrik]

Man how are you pouring this kinda money out.
Frankly in my opinion, love your car for the engine its got.

[ALLMTR996]

So who is building this setup ?
ALLMTR996

[hinezz]

so what has the thread starter decided? B or K?
how much power ur looking at making anyway?

[nvdvtc]

narh im keepin the b18 for now and see how much power i pull out and yeah if im happy with it then let it be with the b series .......

[[200]]

soft.