who has EK with ASR brace + 22mm whiteline rear sway [Archive]

|N|

29-08-2007, 06:24 PM

i heard whiteline even combo with asr brace isnt that reliable.
better to go oem swaybar with asr brace.

any reason?

i thought OEM ones is alrite to run without any reenforcement...

only reason i want to put ASR on is because i know whileline ones will take out my subframe sooner or later

dupac->

29-08-2007, 06:33 PM

yeah i wanna know the same.. but for ek hatch..

atm running whiteline 22mm too.. what mods if any needed to be done.

cbf gettin oem sway.

zco

29-08-2007, 07:01 PM

oem runs 22mm with no reinforcement because ek9 subframe is diff to non ctr models.

[ricer]

29-08-2007, 07:17 PM

it can be done
i helped limbo instal his

just go supercheap and buy new d brackets... something like $14 and ur set...

ekhybrid

29-08-2007, 07:18 PM

but i alraedy have 22mm sway on my car now...

just wat to add on the ASR for safety reason ....

i wont need the D bracket would i?

you dont use any of the whiteline reinforcement kit
the only whiteline part u use is the swaybar

the get ur d brackets
u will c wat i mean wen u get around to do it

|N|

29-08-2007, 08:51 PM

;1320156']it can be done
i helped limbo instal his

just go supercheap and buy new d brackets... something like $14 and ur set...

you dont use any of the whiteline reinforcement kit
the only whiteline part u use is the swaybar

the get ur d brackets
u will c wat i mean wen u get around to do it

wat should i ask for when i go supercheap?

any name or terms or size i should ask for?

and does that also mean i cant put on the whiteline tie bar that i currently have?

[ricer]

29-08-2007, 09:46 PM

u wont need tie bar
for the bracket just ask for sway bar d bracket mount
its pretty much only one size

i use to work at supercheap... was behind the spare parts counter... so ask someone there...
u just gotta use ur bushes u get with ur whiteline kit
once u put ur asr on it'll be very straight forward...

|N|

29-08-2007, 10:11 PM

;1320494']u wont need tie bar
for the bracket just ask for sway bar d bracket mount
its pretty much only one size

i use to work at supercheap... was behind the spare parts counter... so ask someone there...
u just gotta use ur bushes u get with ur whiteline kit
once u put ur asr on it'll be very straight forward...

cool thx for the info very helpful...

damn that means i cant use my tie bar,,,, gay .. less bling

ekhybrid

29-08-2007, 11:57 PM

its the only d bracket we got there lol
yes, i work there too lol
which 1 u work at ricer?

|N|

30-08-2007, 12:03 AM

its the only d bracket we got there lol
yes, i work there too lol
which 1 u work at ricer?

hey which store u work at? if its close to me work . i probably come visit and buy those bracket...

so i need 2 of those d bracket yea?

ekhybrid

30-08-2007, 12:10 AM

hahaha not in ur area man
but 1 pack = 2 brackets + sticker too ahhaha
15bux i think

|N|

30-08-2007, 12:11 AM

hahaha not in ur area man
but 1 pack = 2 brackets + sticker too ahhaha
15bux i think

oh GHEY ... but thx anyway ...

dupac->

30-08-2007, 11:50 AM

stevo get me the d brackets
lol
since u know which ones they are

sweeeeeeeeeet

[ricer]

30-08-2007, 11:58 AM

its the only d bracket we got there lol
yes, i work there too lol
which 1 u work at ricer?

I worked at the livo store
now they renovated and its looks fully sick :D

dupac->

30-08-2007, 12:29 PM

the one next to d4s?

ekhybrid

30-08-2007, 02:51 PM

ricer - yeah the store is fckin hot! was darryl or sumthing ur manager?

du - wen u want it by?

[ricer]

30-08-2007, 06:18 PM

ricer - yeah the store is fckin hot! was darryl or sumthing ur manager?

du - wen u want it by?

yeah he was

man that stores during my 2.5yrs has gone thru soooo many managers
which store u work at?

and yes dupac its the one next to d4s... well d4s is next to it actually haha

|N|

30-08-2007, 06:22 PM

yay i got it.. not sure if its the rite one....
they only have this whiteline one...

[ricer]

30-08-2007, 06:24 PM

thats it dude!

u need washers too
well not very necessary but it helps to keep it centre

|N|

30-08-2007, 06:25 PM

;1322420']thats it dude!

u need washers too
well not very necessary but it helps to keep it centre

oh dam

wat sort?

[ricer]

30-08-2007, 06:34 PM

ummm hard to explain... but i'll try

see how the holes are long and the bolt can move any where along it...
when u put the washer on top and but the bolt thru it kinda centres the bolt coz the washer cant go over the curve of the D... get me?

|N|

30-08-2007, 06:36 PM

;1322439']ummm hard to explain... but i'll try

see how the holes are long and the bolt can move any where along it...
when u put the washer on top and but the bolt thru it kinda centres the bolt coz the washer cant go over the curve of the D... get me?

oh oh oh i get wat u mean now...

thats easy ... i can just find any washer i have .. as long as its big enf .. should do the job...

thx for the info ricer...

i love this thread... for once ppl are being very very helpful

[ricer]

30-08-2007, 06:41 PM

coooool

ekhybrid

30-08-2007, 10:29 PM

this applies to the beaks kit too guys

ricer - at the wetherill store man

|N|

01-09-2007, 02:18 AM

btn... ASR>break

Muzz

02-09-2007, 05:11 PM

Just came across this thread, ive got bad news if you got a whiteline swaybar.
Dosnt work with asr brace, where the d brackets would go on the asr brace, there are slight bends in the whiteline bar, which means the d brackets need to be mounted either further in, or further out somhow.

Muzz

02-09-2007, 05:14 PM

See here - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=647605#post647605 half way down the page.

Muzz

02-09-2007, 05:19 PM

;1320156']it can be done
i helped limbo instal his

You guys didnt experiance the same issues with this combo:confused:

[ricer]

02-09-2007, 05:56 PM

You guys didnt experiance the same issues with this combo:confused:

keep reading thru the thread

u just need new d brackets from supercheap :thumbsup::D

DR HONDA

02-09-2007, 07:38 PM

ASR brace works perfect on the EK. Definetly will save you from cracking the rear crossmember.

Muzz

02-09-2007, 08:42 PM

;1326938']keep reading thru the thread

u just need new d brackets from supercheap :thumbsup::D

Really? I know that definatly wouldnt of fixed my issues. Im guessing maby the designs different between the bars we both used.

Mine was for the eks without an oem rear bar, im not sure if its any different.
Maby also they changed the bars design, when they changed to their heavy duty mounting system? (mines from before the mounting system revamp)

In my case, what bushings i use wont change a thing.
The issue is that with whatever bushings, with them mounted to the asr brace, the points where the bar would sit in the bushings is actually not a straight bar. There are two small bends, at the same spacing apart as the bushings on the asr brace. And as im certain your aware, the bar needs to be parralell to the hole throught the bushings.

Whiteline designed for the bushings to sit 2-3 inches further apart than the asr brace allows, the only option would be to have the bushings further together, or further apart, to clear the bends, so only straight bar is running through them.

For example:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m263/muzz1987/zzzzz-1.jpg

See here, the only way for me to mount the bar to the brace was to space the bushings further apart then the mounting holes on the asr brace, with the bushings closer together, there gonna be right where those little bends in the bar are located.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/Muzz87/IMG_1768.jpg

03-09-2007, 08:53 AM

Would very much like some confirmation on this as im looking to run this setup...

bennjamin

03-09-2007, 04:08 PM

Would very much like some confirmation on this as im looking to run this setup...

for hassle free driving , purchase a ASR or BEAKS kit and use a OEM 22 or 23mm rear swaybar off a DC2R or a EK9

shinji112

03-09-2007, 07:03 PM

i just put on an OEM EM1 swaybar on the rear and i love it.. cant imagine how much of a diff 22mm would make wen im only running 13mm! maybe in the future wen i get bored and can afford a ASR kit!

Muzz

03-09-2007, 07:25 PM

Would very much like some confirmation on this as im looking to run this setup...

Wat you need to do, is find somone whos recently brought a 22mm whiteline bar for your car, shouldnt be to hard.

Ask them if those two small bends are in the bar, if so, no go.

Im guessing that when whiteline decided to design a heavy duty mounting system, they changed the bars design aswell to make it compatable with the popular ASR brace. Hence why ricer had no issues with compatability.

Ricer, how long ago did you do this install?

for hassle free driving , purchase a ASR or BEAKS kit and use a OEM 22 or 23mm rear swaybar off a DC2R or a EK9
^^Thats what id be looking for, trouble free fittment.

[ricer]

03-09-2007, 07:39 PM

Ricer, how long ago did you do this install?

the bar itself is probably 2 years old by now... was running the normal whiteline reinforcement and tie bar combo
installed about 5 months ago on asr using after market d brackets but original whiteline bushes...

Muzz

03-09-2007, 07:54 PM

Thats weird, did your bar have those little bends that line up with bushings mounted on the asr brace?

03-09-2007, 10:53 PM

Ill look into that. Thanks guys...

No-VTEC

04-09-2007, 09:59 AM

for hassle free driving , purchase a ASR or BEAKS kit and use a OEM 22 or 23mm rear swaybar off a DC2R or a EK9

I 2nd this :thumbsup:
EK9 rear sway bar (plus OEM mounts+brackets) plus Beaks kit is a sure fit.
Had not problems at all fitting it.
not as *bling* as the ASR, but does the job. (cheaper too, looks great if you also get the Beaks Tie bar !!!)

Zdster

04-09-2007, 12:19 PM

I 2nd this :thumbsup:
EK9 rear sway bar (plus OEM mounts+brackets) plus Beaks kit is a sure fit.
Had not problems at all fitting it.
not as *bling* as the ASR, but does the job. (cheaper too, looks great if you also get the Beaks Tie bar !!!)

Re: "It does the job" - have a search of Honda-Tech before stating this!

P.S. If someone wants me to explain further let me know ;).

|N|

04-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Re: "It does the job" - have a search of Honda-Tech before stating this!

P.S. If someone wants me to explain further let me know ;).

just explain it la... this seems to be a constructive thread.. so contribute la...

[ricer]

04-09-2007, 05:55 PM

have u put ur bar on yet |N|?

|N|

04-09-2007, 06:08 PM

;1330489']have u put ur bar on yet |N|?

not yet man .. too busy ... will try do it this weekend

ekhybrid

04-09-2007, 07:40 PM

btn... ASR>break

beaks>asr in price :)

|N|

04-09-2007, 08:58 PM

beaks>asr in price :)

thats true too

No-VTEC

06-09-2007, 07:28 AM

Re: "It does the job" - have a search of Honda-Tech before stating this!

P.S. If someone wants me to explain further let me know ;).

without getting too technical about EK and EG subframe differences (larger surface area on ASR, etc),
i think what i said is valid. i searched honda-tech, and there really isnt anything there that i havent read before on other forums.
the main thing that most ppl agree on is that the Beaks kit is fine if you're a daily driver and rarely/occasionally go on track (which is fine with me).
while the more "hardcore" driver "should" get the ASR for added peace of mind.

many ppl who've had the Beaks for 2-3 years track occasionally have said their subframe looks fine. but they upgrade to ASR for "peace of mind" and it looks better:thumbsup:

dont get me wrong, i think the ASR bar is great, but double the price.
ASR is about 300-350 deliverd?
i got my Beaks for 150 delivered.

Zdster

06-09-2007, 09:03 AM

without getting too technical about EK and EG subframe differences (larger surface area on ASR, etc),
i think what i said is valid. i searched honda-tech, and there really isnt anything there that i havent read before on other forums.
the main thing that most ppl agree on is that the Beaks kit is fine if you're a daily driver and rarely/occasionally go on track (which is fine with me).
while the more "hardcore" driver "should" get the ASR for added peace of mind.

many ppl who've had the Beaks for 2-3 years track occasionally have said their subframe looks fine. but they upgrade to ASR for "peace of mind" and it looks better:thumbsup:

dont get me wrong, i think the ASR bar is great, but double the price.
ASR is about 300-350 deliverd?
i got my Beaks for 150 delivered.

Subframes are still known to have been ripped out with the Beaks kit on daily driven cars. Whether these are isolated incidents or not, it is hard (if not impossible to say). I will dig up some of the threads, but this is what influenced me to go with the ASR kit.

The extra cost still saves a heck of a lot of money compared to replacing the subframe and to date I have not read of any subframe rips with the ASR kit compared to the beaks kit.

Zdster

06-09-2007, 09:59 AM

Just a few threads (but there are literally heaps):
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1150076&page=1
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1139244
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1804894
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1642585 (comptech - but I believe this is similar in design to the beaks?)
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2010467
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1857693

No-VTEC

06-09-2007, 02:32 PM

thanks for clearing that up Zdster.

ekhybrid

06-09-2007, 07:36 PM

Remember for EK
buy beaks V2
theyve added another block with the kit to strengthen it
ppl with ripped subframes had the V1

kn1ghtm4r3

06-09-2007, 07:53 PM

Remember for EK
buy beaks V2
theyve added another block with the kit to strengthen it
ppl with ripped subframes had the V1

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: thats wat ive been reading lol on the v1 lol

08-09-2007, 08:08 PM

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: thats wat ive been reading lol on the v1 lol

Any more info on v1 vs. v2 Beaks kit...?

spoondc2

09-09-2007, 07:33 PM

Anyone consider BSQ kit?
lot cheaper and reliable.

Got one on my integra vti-r before with 23mm rear sway

|N|

15-09-2007, 01:55 AM

Anyone consider BSQ kit?
lot cheaper and reliable.

Got one on my integra vti-r before with 23mm rear sway

neva heard of it b4... got a pic of it?

spoondc2

15-09-2007, 12:35 PM

neva heard of it b4... got a pic of it?

Not really, just a very cheap DIY kit which do the same thing as Beaks kit but 1/10 of it's price... I used it on my dc2 vti-r with 23mm rear sway for 4 years until i've sold the car. No probs at all

Send me a msn msg i will send the info to you

|N|

15-09-2007, 01:15 PM

Not really, just a very cheap DIY kit which do the same thing as Beaks kit but 1/10 of it's price... I used it on my dc2 vti-r with 23mm rear sway for 4 years until i've sold the car. No probs at all

Send me a msn msg i will send the info to you

oh i got ASR alrady so i m a happy man

spoondc2

15-09-2007, 01:21 PM

oh i got ASR alrady so i m a happy man

I thought you are selling it man

|N|

15-09-2007, 01:50 PM

I thought you are selling it man
cant resists it.. :P looks too hwat to sell

civic_mods

15-09-2007, 04:11 PM

if u r car is dumped then = no no

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/ccibai/S7300112.jpg

|N|

16-09-2007, 02:28 AM

if thats the case ASR>beaks... ASR doesnt sit that low :D

gbang007

16-09-2007, 07:43 PM

how about on an ek1? im lookin at gettin whiteline with asr. would that fit fine? dont track at all, so im not sure what size to go with. 22mm? or 24? or would it be better with a ctr sway and asr ?

spoondc2

16-09-2007, 08:09 PM

ASR ftw!!!

spoondc2

16-09-2007, 08:10 PM

how about on an ek1? im lookin at gettin whiteline with asr. would that fit fine? dont track at all, so im not sure what size to go with. 22mm? or 24? or would it be better with a ctr sway and asr ?

Same question here, how to fit a ek9 rear sway on to EK1
just endlinks, bushes, brackets and the bar?

|N|

17-09-2007, 06:14 PM

Same question here, how to fit a ek9 rear sway on to EK1
just endlinks, bushes, brackets and the bar?

yea thats pretty much it...

well my car is EK1 too...

gbang007

09-10-2007, 07:53 PM

how long ago was the updated whiteline swaybar released? coz i see someone is selling a 22mm one here, im not sure if its a new or older version. how much are they new roughly?

|N|

09-10-2007, 09:28 PM

how long ago was the updated whiteline swaybar released? coz i see someone is selling a 22mm one here, im not sure if its a new or older version. how much are they new roughly?

either way .... i would still recommand mating it with ASR brace or some sort of bracing

beeza

09-10-2007, 10:31 PM

Just to confirm.A stock 22mm rear sway bar + ASR Brace kit will fit an 96 EK1 Sedan?

Limbo

12-10-2007, 01:09 AM

Ok since my name showed up so often i'll add my 5c.

The ASR kit is great, the whiteline brackets are crappy, the whiteline bar is very good though. This even includes the newer whiteline range with newer brackets, the quality is just not there. Their bolts are also not up to scratch. When you get the ASR brace you'll see what i mean about the quality about the parts.

I've seen the new model whiteline kit on an EK and the bracket actually was bending and this was only after 1 month! We had it on a hoist and looked at it.

All the Eks will be able to use the ASR brace along with the whiteline kits.
Note sure about others, but i would assume you could still make it work.
I know when i installed mine everyone told me you couldn't do it, but i was able to with little fuss.

the ASR + WHiteline bar is great, i've had mine now for over 6mths and very happy with it, even stopped some of the creaks from the larger bar, which i'm sure all whiteline bar owners know of and curse.

gbang007

14-10-2007, 01:46 AM

would it be better to run a stock sway bar or a whiteline with asr? its goin on an ek1.

beeza

14-10-2007, 10:21 AM

Stock Sway bar with ASR.This is the message Bennjamin sent me,it's for an EK1 aswell gbang007:

ASR brace kit to suit EK ( all the same for EK's)
either a DC2R or EK9 rear swaybar
EK4 OR ek9 swaybar endlinks.

and you are set

Sorted.Now grab em'!!!

gbang007

14-10-2007, 10:34 AM

why stock just out of curiosity? i got a brace. just gotta look for sway.

Stock Sway bar with ASR.This is the message Bennjamin sent me,it's for an EK1 aswell gbang007:

ASR brace kit to suit EK ( all the same for EK's)
either a DC2R or EK9 rear swaybar
EK4 OR ek9 swaybar endlinks.

and you are set

Sorted.Now grab em'!!!

beeza

14-10-2007, 07:05 PM

It's the safe and easy bet.Whiteline has been known to have done subframe tearouts and fittement issues.Saying this plenty of people have the Whiteline/ASR combo and says no problem.Personally I don't care for the bling factor as I will be spray painting the ASR brace black anyways.And I don't want to have to even think about a subframe tearout.If I did I wouldn't risk installing one and just keep the strut bar.

gbang007

14-10-2007, 07:16 PM

ok. cool. thanks. i thought with the asr/whiteline combo, there is no problems. with the new upgraded whiteline, doesn't it fit easy too? have you got ur asr brace yet?

It's the safe and easy bet.Whiteline has been known to have done subframe tearouts and fittement issues.Saying this plenty of people have the Whiteline/ASR combo and says no problem.Personally I don't care for the bling factor as I will be spray painting the ASR brace black anyways.And I don't want to have to even think about a subframe tearout.If I did I wouldn't risk installing one and just keep the strut bar.

Limbo

14-10-2007, 07:32 PM

the swaybar choice is dependent with what you are trying to achieve from the handling of the car. Just rem that the ITR/CTR swaybars 22mm are hollow and are equivalent to a 18mm solid bar. The use of a 22 or 24mm whiteline is to give an even more stiffer rear bar.

Don't just take people's advice without understanding what you want. This thread was more to let people know that the ASR + whiteline bars were possible not to give you guys a best choice combo.

gbang007

14-10-2007, 07:48 PM

im not tracking the car. just daily use but wanna bit more fun if possible out of an sohc non vtec lol.

beeza

14-10-2007, 08:14 PM

I haven't got the ASR yet. I don't really want to spend $340 on it but I want one.... That's why I'm hoping to pick one up second hand.

Limbo is the ITR/CTR swaybars the DC2R or EK9 rear swaybar? What do you think is the best combo for the EK1?
The stiffer the better I reckon.As long as it dosen't make the ride uncomfortable...

[ricer]

14-10-2007, 10:09 PM

I'm not a professional but wouldn't it depend on the rest of your suspension?

i had a whiteline 18mm sway and tie bar combo on my EK and i think it was quite good... car stayed quite flat... but i also had aftermarket springs and shocks in my car too so i guess that contributed.

bennjamin

14-10-2007, 10:14 PM

the softer and higher your car sits , the more wear and tear you will put on your swaybar (setup) This is the pivoting action which will tear out some swaybar kits...

Basically the problem with the *****line kit (new and old) is that there is no back plate which reinforces the actual subframe. The old and current new design kits still rely on "heavy duty mounts" , which in all honesty are only adding more stress to the tiny holes they mount upon ( the OEM mount holes) and , will eventually still fail.

I strongly recommend you get a ASR brace and a OEM EK9 or DC2R rear swaybar. Best kit on the market

gbang007

14-10-2007, 10:24 PM

will performance be any different between OEM sway and whiteline? how thick OEM sway should i be look at

the softer and higher your car sits , the more wear and tear you will put on your swaybar (setup) This is the pivoting action which will tear out some swaybar kits...

Basically the problem with the *****line kit (new and old) is that there is no back plate which reinforces the actual subframe. The old and current new design kits still rely on "heavy duty mounts" , which in all honesty are only adding more stress to the tiny holes they mount upon ( the OEM mount holes) and , will eventually still fail.

I strongly recommend you get a ASR brace and a OEM EK9 or DC2R rear swaybar. Best kit on the market

bennjamin

14-10-2007, 10:28 PM

ive had both and both feel strong , only difference is the longevity.

Look at a OEM EK9 or DC2R rear swaybar. The EK9 comes with a 22mm rear swaybar and the DC2R comes with 22mm and 23mm swaybars.

gbang007

14-10-2007, 10:33 PM

which will fit better with the ASR? as in difficulty installing as i dont want to mod anything. just want to whack it on.

bennjamin

14-10-2007, 10:37 PM

both wil fit the ASR kit for your car ( EG/DC or EK) you just need the kit to suit your car , and the endlinks to suit your car. Either swaybar (EK9 or DC2R) will fit

gbang007

14-10-2007, 10:42 PM

thanks for ur help ey. so if i get an ek9 sway, will that endlinks of them be ok? or do i have to get completely new ones to fit?

both wil fit the ASR kit for your car ( EG/DC or EK) you just need the kit to suit your car , and the endlinks to suit your car. Either swaybar (EK9 or DC2R) will fit

bennjamin

15-10-2007, 09:45 AM

on your EK , you need EK9 or EK4 endlinks (they have to be longer , to join the EK rear lca mounting points)

PS on a DC/ED chassis , the LCA ajoins slightly higher , hence the shorter endlinks

souperman

08-07-2008, 11:00 AM

Muzz

08-07-2008, 04:50 PM

when installing the asr brace, how long does the lca bolt need to be?

i've got everything ready and about to install but looking at the lca bolt that i have in front of me (it's only 12cm long). the bolt needs to go through the asr brace, the lca, and pop out the otherside. is 12cm enough?

is the oem bolt long enough?

btw, it's for a stock em1

The ASR ones for my ek are 12cm long, you got the correct bolts.

the softer and higher your car sits , the more wear and tear you will put on your swaybar

Actually, for the purpose of good info, the lower the car sits the more stress placed on the swaybar. This is because lowering the car lowers the roll centre (point around which the cars body rolls during cornering) quite significantly, moving it further below the cars centre of gravity.

The larger distance between the roll centre, and the cars centre of gravity acts as a longer lever, and causes more roll. So basically lowering your car, is gunna produce more bodyroll. :thumbsup:

dupac->

09-07-2008, 12:15 AM

The ASR ones for my ek are 12cm long, you got the correct bolts.

Actually, for the purpose of good info, the lower the car sits the more stress placed on the swaybar. This is because lowering the car lowers the roll centre (point around which the cars body rolls during cornering) quite significantly, moving it further below the cars centre of gravity.

The larger distance between the roll centre, and the cars centre of gravity acts as a longer lever, and causes more roll. So basically lowering your car, is gunna produce more bodyroll. :thumbsup:

you couldn't have it more right :thumbsup::thumbsup:

dupac->

09-07-2008, 12:20 AM

its all about the backing plates on these subframe reinforcement kits.

ASR/BEAKS/Whiteline

whiteline brace i still see no backpiece like benji mentioned. looks like they tried to copy the design of the asr brace but forgot the most important parts which are the backing pieces the pretty much squishes the subframe together giving less stress.

the BEAKS kit comes with backings BUT reports the v1 still tears the subframe.. and supposdely the v2 doesnt?

asr is the way to go.. easy to install saves u big $$$