So...11 second All Motor Honda's

[ALLMTR]

I'm hearing that there are 4 or 5 Honda's in the build that should run in the 11's. Who knows about these cars????

Oh and none of this, "I know but I can't tell" crap :D

[Phamburger]

hmmmzzzzzz

I honestly don't know.... but I think it would be one of the k-swap hondas honestly. They have the potential to hit that mark imo.

But then there's still life in the old B-series yet :). With Dave doing these B20 built you never know :).

I guess we just have to stay tuned for the time slip to be posted before is cemented.

Regards,
David

[ALLMTR]

I don't see why it would need to be K series. B, H and even F series have all run 9's NA

[crazyEG]

no one knows :zip:

[Phamburger]

I don't see why it would need to be K series. B, H and even F series have all run 9's NA

Yup thats a fair comment. I just generalize too much there...

Lets see these Honda's out and doing what they do best, being driven hard.

Regards,
David

[vtec_man]

far out! for a n/a honda to pull an 11 is scary!

[Mrrevolution]

ALLMTR What B, H or F na honda street reg has run 9's ?

GRP Automotive has pulled 11.676 from a 1985 civic with k20a.

[grumpy rooster]

Since I was the one that made the statement I will explain myself. :)

Well considering there are 3 that have run an 11 already thats a good start. Online have the Delsol full chassis ex turbo car, thats 4 without even thinking.

To break it down:

Online CRX - have run 10.83 with the early model CRX they currently run All Motor. No reason this won't go even quicker with some more track time.
GnJ Racing AH Civic - now have more power than ever and should run 11.2-11.3 (in my opinion) next time out. With some real tyres ;) maybe even better.
Hi-Comp EG Civic - we have now run 2 11.9 sec passes. Yes we have just snuck into the 11s but next time out expect this time to be bettered. It will be out of action for a while where it will be getting an entirely new induction system. I love the sound of quads at 8,000+ rpm. :D Over the next 12 months we are hoping to knock another 1/2 a second off our time.
Online Delsol - full chassis that would have to be the lightest and most tunable vehicle of the lot. I can't see them going turbo when they bring it back. Even with a similar engine package to the current CRX they would have to be looking at mid to low 10s.

These are my predictions for the next 12 months. I also believe there will be a few others who will knock on the door of the 11s, if not achieve it like the JDMYard guys who achieved a 12.2 with a smaller setup than what they are preparing now. Look at the number of 12sec Hondas now and the limited track time they have had. With more experience these guys will only go faster.

Exciting times. Bring it on!!! :thumbsup:

[Mrrevolution]

Great News!! Looking forward to seeing the times drop.

So ALLMTR mentioned B, H and even F series have all run 9's NA.
Guessing he said it by accident.

[Phamburger]

Since I was the one that made the statement I will explain myself. :)

Well considering there are 3 that have run an 11 already thats a good start. Online have the Delsol full chassis ex turbo car, thats 4 without even thinking.

To break it down:

Online CRX - have run 10.83 with the early model CRX they currently run All Motor. No reason this won't go even quicker with some more track time.
GnJ Racing AH Civic - now have more power than ever and should run 11.2-11.3 (in my opinion) next time out. With some real tyres ;) maybe even better.
Hi-Comp EG Civic - we have now run 2 11.9 sec passes. Yes we have just snuck into the 11s but next time out expect this time to be bettered. It will be out of action for a while where it will be getting an entirely new induction system. I love the sound of quads at 8,000+ rpm. :D Over the next 12 months we are hoping to knock another 1/2 a second off our time.
Online Delsol - full chassis that would have to be the lightest and most tunable vehicle of the lot. I can't see them going turbo when they bring it back. Even with a similar engine package to the current CRX they would have to be looking at mid to low 10s.

These are my predictions for the next 12 months. I also believe there will be a few others who will knock on the door of the 11s, if not achieve it like the JDMYard guys who achieved a 12.2 with a smaller setup than what they are preparing now. Look at the number of 12sec Hondas now and the limited track time they have had. With more experience these guys will only go faster.

Exciting times. Bring it on!!! :thumbsup:

Here here
What the man just said :thumbsup:.

In the past year the Honda community in Australia is picking up its game heaps. Esp with the independent owners who just do it for joy. Alot of 12 sec Honda's now.

More to come with time and practice!

Regards,
David

[grumpy rooster]

Great News!! Looking forward to seeing the times drop.

So ALLMTR mentioned B, H and even F series have all run 9's NA.
Guessing he said it by accident.

He was referring to the US, not Aus. We aren't quite there yet, but as they say in the shampoo commercial "it won't happen overnight, but it will happen". :p

[hondavti25]

Id love to see some of theses cars and show some of my peakheaded mates what real hondas do:). Would shut alot of nissan/holden/ford boys up lol

[Drew]

10.88 - Kevin Ban - H22A Hybrid Honda Civic PRO IMPORT
11.30 - Gary Thorburn - K20A Hybrid Honda Civic EG PRO IMPORT
11.89 - Hayden Skinner - B18C Hybrid Honda Civic EG PRO IMPORT

[DynoDave]

Since I was the one that made the statement I will explain myself. :)

Well considering there are 3 that have run an 11 already thats a good start. Online have the Delsol full chassis ex turbo car, thats 4 without even thinking.

To break it down:

Online CRX - have run 10.83 with the early model CRX they currently run All Motor. No reason this won't go even quicker with some more track time.
GnJ Racing AH Civic - now have more power than ever and should run 11.2-11.3 (in my opinion) next time out. With some real tyres ;) maybe even better.
Hi-Comp EG Civic - we have now run 2 11.9 sec passes. Yes we have just snuck into the 11s but next time out expect this time to be bettered. It will be out of action for a while where it will be getting an entirely new induction system. I love the sound of quads at 8,000+ rpm. :D Over the next 12 months we are hoping to knock another 1/2 a second off our time.
Online Delsol - full chassis that would have to be the lightest and most tunable vehicle of the lot. I can't see them going turbo when they bring it back. Even with a similar engine package to the current CRX they would have to be looking at mid to low 10s.

These are my predictions for the next 12 months. I also believe there will be a few others who will knock on the door of the 11s, if not achieve it like the JDMYard guys who achieved a 12.2 with a smaller setup than what they are preparing now. Look at the number of 12sec Hondas now and the limited track time they have had. With more experience these guys will only go faster.

Exciting times. Bring it on!!! :thumbsup:
Ok here we go with a UPDATE on what the Online/Dyno Dave Team is upto as most would know by now with Online finishing Makdessi Racings EG turbo car off and the rain killing Jambo off till the 13th of Oct we will be working flatout on the Del Sol to make a return to racing as Darren has said as an ALLMTR car.Current plans will be to run it with a Street based K series engine to continue on with our current crop of K powered street cars we have been working on.We will also be continuing on with our current H powered CRX and the engine program in that car has now been put back underway and has been fitted with a reported head and we are about to do some header developments and go and spend a few days with the Pac Performance boys on there hub dyno and finally tune the car.We are also currently talking to some other people about them becoming involved with our team and that will raise the level of ALLMTR racing in this country to something we have not seen in the past but more on that as we sort it all out.We as a team look forward to the growth of ALLMTR racing in this country and will be racing in it for a very long time with both full racecars and our streetcar based customers.Darren to add to your list of cars we now are really pushing forward with the ALLMTR streetcar guys and they are now starting to get into the mid 12's and by xmas I can see a few of them pushing into the high 11's as they are all stepping up the power outputs and chassis setups all I can say is the next 12 months we are going to see a massive growth in this type of racing so great job to all that are pushing it along.
Regards Dyno Dave

[grumpy rooster]

Thanks for the update Dave.

And it was good to finally have a chat on Saturday for more than 5secs. :)

[DynoDave]

Thanks for the update Dave.

And it was good to finally have a chat on Saturday for more than 5secs. :)
Yes it was great to go to a meeting and have some spare time to talk to other races.With the rebuild we will post up more pic's as the car comes along as the whole team is so pumped to get the old car up and running again and in normal Online style it will feature many new chassis/suspension idea's we have been wanting to try for a very long time.The return of this car will also see some sponsor's come onboard with our race operation and once we finalise everything we will postup an announcement on who is coming onboard as a corporate partner.
Regards Dyno Dave

[GnJracing]

I don't know about more 11 second All Motor Honda's but at Jamboree there were 5 K series based honda's (us not included) in All Motor which I beleive have the potential to run low 12's. Saying that, they are all street driven daily drivers unlike our car.

[todaek9]

hm...just wondering will a B16a run a high 11sec? hmmm....N/a i mean...

[straightR]

depends how many thousands of dollars you want to drop in that engine...

[fatboyz39]

hm...just wondering will a B16a run a high 11sec? hmmm....N/a i mean...

Can be done.

[barefootbonzai]

hm...just wondering will a B16a run a high 11sec? hmmm....N/a i mean...

Y do you ask the same question in every single all motor thread?

[EG5]

Will prep our EGK24A and get out there @ wsid soon

[crazyEG]

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[Klayemore]

My B20 runs 10's.... :S [/bullshit]

[fatboyz39]

My B20 runs 10's.... :S [/bullshit]

in the first 3 gears :p

[todaek9]

Cause i'm curious..haha...never seen one yet though...



Y do you ask the same question in every single all motor thread?

[fishman]

Heard a rumour that there will be another Gen2 CRX at Jambo with K power.


Don't know who's building/tuning it or where is it from? Does anyone have a clue who's car it is?

[DynoDave]

Cause i'm curious..haha...never seen one yet though...
There is a N/A B16a powered gen2 CRX in the states that runs 11.4's
Regards Dyno Dave

[mr_vtec]

i heard my turbo set up should be done or im really just waiting on someone lol..*no names*

[DynoDave]

i heard my turbo set up should be done or im really just waiting on someone lol..*no names*
Hass you produce alot of wind you dont need a turbo :eek:
Regards Dyno Dave

[todaek9]

heard there is a EG B16a N/A doing high 11's now...and its a road car...is this true???

[DynoDave]

heard there is a EG B16a N/A doing high 11's now...and its a road car...is this true???
I have not heard that one,are we talking in Australia or oversea's but I have heard of alot of so called quick Honda powered cars being done in Melbourne that are in the 11's N/A but no one ever talks about them on here,and the builder is a member on these forums that does these mystery cars :eek:.
Regards Dyno Dave

[honda_b_blastn]

alot of stories..i like stories...:)

[EGB18CT]

I have not heard that one,are we talking in Australia or oversea's but I have heard of alot of so called quick Honda powered cars being done in Melbourne that are in the 11's N/A but no one ever talks about them on here,and the builder is a member on these forums that does these mystery cars :eek:.
Regards Dyno Dave

im guessing IAMVTEC's car? lol

my build up should start soon but it will take a while, on a serious note.

[riceball]

I have not heard that one,are we talking in Australia or oversea's but I have heard of alot of so called quick Honda powered cars being done in Melbourne that are in the 11's N/A but no one ever talks about them on here,and the builder is a member on these forums that does these mystery cars :eek:.
Regards Dyno Dave

must be mr honda enthusiast's car.

[todaek9]

Yea Dave, apparently all the so called quick honda's were never seen in Melbourne and that is why i'm curious is it true or not...haha...But i know its possible in a EG can go a high 11's if very intensive work were done to the engine...but yea, still be a myth to be solved...hmmm...



I have not heard that one,are we talking in Australia or oversea's but I have heard of alot of so called quick Honda powered cars being done in Melbourne that are in the 11's N/A but no one ever talks about them on here,and the builder is a member on these forums that does these mystery cars :eek:.
Regards Dyno Dave

[hinezz]

non-fiction stories are always gud
;)

[ALLMTR996]

Heard a rumour that there will be another Gen2 CRX at Jambo with K power.


Don't know who's building/tuning it or where is it from? Does anyone have a clue who's car it is?
Its not a rumour its one of these mystery 11's cars that people keep getting told about with SECERT engine parts that only can be purchased from a special guy in a southern state.
ALLMTR996

[k20man]

i am that special guy :)

[G AE82]

Its not a rumour its one of these mystery 11's cars that people keep getting told about with SECERT engine parts that only can be purchased from a special guy in a southern state.
ALLMTR996

I'm interested. Is it a Victorian car? Is it going to be a street based car?

[mr_vtec]

all i can see watch out hahahaha lol..

[DynoDave]

i am that special guy :)
We know your special Adam :eek:
Regards Dyno Dave

[panda[cRx]]

I'm interested. Is it a Victorian car? Is it going to be a street based car?

there is a melbourne based k-powahhh gen2 crx that online has been working on for a while now. is this one of the cars ppl are refering to?

[DynoDave]

;1338973']there is a melbourne based k-powahhh gen2 crx that online has been working on for a while now. is this one of the cars ppl are refering to?
Dont think so that is just a streetcar.
Regards Dyno Dave

[ALLMTR]

"just a streetcar"

To some, that's more important :D

[DynoDave]

Heard a rumour that there will be another Gen2 CRX at Jambo with K power.


Don't know who's building/tuning it or where is it from? Does anyone have a clue who's car it is?
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1339666#post1339666 this will answer your questions.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Mrgigolo]

Whats the fastest B20 around ?

[todaek9]

9.98sec quartermile i think...


Whats the fastest B20 around ?

[thebob]

In australia i would imagine it would be Hi Powers CRX.

[ONE600]

Yeah I think Ivan's car is NA fastest B series in OZ. He finally got some drag radials so times should improve for the next test n tune.

[BaNaNaMaN]

My fathers car being built in Perth at the moment is aiming for the 10z in N/A Trim.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/Bananaman_666/pict0131nv6.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/Bananaman_666/37_1.jpg

[defect]

in NA trim?
care to share a little bit more details?

[G AE82]

My fathers car being built in Perth at the moment is aiming for the 10z in N/A Trim.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/Bananaman_666/pict0131nv6.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/Bananaman_666/37_1.jpg

Cool.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

i think he means, Interior trim NA (not available) lol

[BaNaNaMaN]

Here are some specs. This is not the complete list but will keep everyone happy :)

Chassis:

91` CRX
Full 1 pc Fibre Glass front end
Fibre Glass doors
Lexan windows
Full cage (Certed in America for 9's)
Fully stripped
Adjustable suspension
Slicks on the front with skinnys on the rear.

Engine:

B18C block
84mm Darten sleeves
84mm Wiseco Pistons
Eagle rods
B16A1 Head
Elderbrock intake manifold
After market 70mm throttle body
Holly fuel rail
AEM Computer
Skunk2 Pro stage 3 cams
Skunk2 Valves, retainers, valve springs
Toda Cam gears
Fully Port and Polish (Matched to intake and exhaust)
External oil pump
Dry sump kit
Aluminium radiator (Out of a nascar)
Scat Crank
Nascar crank angle sensor
Harmonic crank balancer
Toda cam belt
S80 box with LSD (will soon get the straight cut gears)
Aftermarket Block girdle

The goal with this car is to get it into the 10 second bracket in NA trim.

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/158705-1/P1080105.JPG
http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/158748-1/P1080124.JPG
http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/158745-1/P1080123.JPG

[hinezz]

^^crazy stuff
how abt create a build thread for this project?
that would be interesting :)

[BaNaNaMaN]

^^crazy stuff
how abt create a build thread for this project?
that would be interesting :)


As it is not MY project more the old mans I am not going to start a build thread. He wants it to hit the strip and put some numbers out there first.

Just thought it was relevant to this thread. Being that it is being built to run into the 10 second bracket.

All comments welcome :)

[hinezz]

As it is not MY project more the old mans I am not going to start a build thread. He wants it to hit the strip and put some numbers out there first.

Just thought it was relevant to this thread. Being that it is being built to run into the 10 second bracket.

All comments welcome :)
no problems :thumbsup:
was just a suggestion.

[grumpy rooster]

I was looking at the price of cars in the US the other day on Racing Junk and what you get. Beats building a car here. And with the exchange rates the way they are at the moment it makes it even more attractive.

It will be interesting when this car hits the track. :)

[BaNaNaMaN]

I was looking at the price of cars in the US the other day on Racing Junk and what you get. Beats building a car here. And with the exchange rates the way they are at the moment it makes it even more attractive.

It will be interesting when this car hits the track. :)

Your totally right. The cost of this shell shipped to Perth was only around the $5K mark

[G AE82]

So this car will be run on methanol correct?

[BaNaNaMaN]

So this car will be run on methanol correct?


Nope. Going to be setup on pump gas.

But almost 2L + 11,000 RPM should see some decent times.

[grumpy rooster]

Wheelie bars?

[BaNaNaMaN]

Wheelie bars?


Dad has looked at some but not at this stage. Got to get some track data before changing the setup as it is right now.

[todaek9]

this setup looks very similar to me...hmm...

i would imagine a mid to high 11's to be reasonable...a 10's..hmmm...but lets see what happen..

it'll be interesting to see this car on the strip...

[grumpy rooster]

These are my guesses:

Weight: 800kg with driver
Power: ~160kw at the wheels
ET: low 11's, high 10's.

[BaNaNaMaN]

These are my guesses:

Weight: 800kg with driver
Power: ~160kw at the wheels
ET: low 11's, high 10's.

Pretty much on the money right there. But want a touch more than 160wkw

More like 190wkw. (or at least thats the goal. :D)

[ALLMTR]

Good to see another player getting into the game

[G AE82]

Pretty much on the money right there. But want a touch more than 160wkw

More like 190wkw. (or at least thats the goal. :D)

If that's your goal, you'd be the first to do it on pump fuel with a b18c. With a b18c 150kw from a fully built engine is about as much as I've seen, and that's not here it's in the states. It's not all about power though which is what you have to realise. It looks like you have a good chassis to start with, so there's no reason this car shouldn't be quick. 130kw would get this car moving.

[fatboyz39]

Pretty much on the money right there. But want a touch more than 160wkw

More like 190wkw. (or at least thats the goal. :D)

190 kw atw? On pump gas? No NOS? On a B18c?

I think the most i've seen a B18c is about 150kw atw. I think your 160 kw will be achievable.

[BaNaNaMaN]

We have a car in our club over here making 164wkw on a B16a so it is possible for a B18C which is sleaved to 2L could make 190wkw. Like I said it is just a goal. Will se in good time :)

Thanks for all your comments.

[grumpy rooster]

What sort of dyno is that on? Dyno Dynamics or equivalent or Dynojet?

[leemo]

woah sweet yeah there are videos of k20a eg civic beating evo's

[BaNaNaMaN]

What sort of dyno is that on? Dyno Dynamics or equivalent or Dynojet?


I will ask him if I can get the dyno sheet and post it up.

[fatboyz39]

What 1/4 mile time did he manage to pull with 158 kw atw b16a??

[todaek9]

164kw atw??? a B16a???
NA or Turbo?

[todaek9]

Hm..is it possible to do a low 11's or hi 10's with a 160kw?
i really want to start questioning about these figures...





These are my guesses:

Weight: 800kg with driver
Power: ~160kw at the wheels
ET: low 11's, high 10's.

[ZeForce]

Hm..is it possible to do a low 11's or hi 10's with a 160kw?
i really want to start questioning about these figures...

Depends how much the car weighs, 800kg including driver with a set of slicks... then the answer is yes

[todaek9]

hmmm...this is interesting...thanx for that info, i shall see how fast i can do if my car was 800kg incl myself in the car...haha...

[ZeForce]

But like always peak power figures mean fvck all really, its all about having good torque throughout the entire rpm range as well as the correct gearing to suit your torque curve.

[BaNaNaMaN]

164kw atw??? a B16a???
NA or Turbo?


My bad, talked to the guy yesterday and it is a B18C bottom end with a B16A head. N/A

He ran it on a Dynopack dyno.

Sorry for the confusion. But dad has put $50K into the engine build so we would like to see some serious numbers being produced. I will post dads dyno once it is all in and running.

[grumpy rooster]

Sounds like an excellent package. Really looking forward to see how your dad's car goes. Its good to see another dedicated drag car in the mix.

As good as power is, with All Motor weight is everything. :)

[todaek9]

50k to produce 164kw????
dude...u must be kidding...
i reckon it can do a 200kw atw B20 with that kinda money...


My bad, talked to the guy yesterday and it is a B18C bottom end with a B16A head. N/A

He ran it on a Dynopack dyno.

Sorry for the confusion. But dad has put $50K into the engine build so we would like to see some serious numbers being produced. I will post dads dyno once it is all in and running.

[grumpy rooster]

Your confusing 2 different cars. His mate's car that has 164kwatw and his dad's that has had $50k spent on the engine.

Beside's its easy to make that power NA and run low 11's, high 10's. Everyone does it. :rolleyes:

[ALLMTR]

I think it would be easy to make that power/run those numbers. It's not the fact that it is hard that stops people. If PAC customers sunk the money into ALLMTR drag racing that they sink into Rx3's there would be a whole bunch of 10 second allmtr cars

[BaNaNaMaN]

Dads car is basically a B20 hybrid, only difference is it is the B18C block sleeved to 2L

He has talked to the biggest companies in the scene for advice and has been told this setup is good for 10's.

Wisco where involved in specing pistons and rods to make sure it is the best possible combination.

The end result will justify the 4 year build on this car.

[G AE82]

I don't understand why your dad would want to spend all this money only to have a single throttle and run pump. I'm sure it will be a quick car but if I were building a dedicated drag car I would most definately have it running methanol and quads if the budget allowed which it looks like is the case here.

[ZeForce]

I don't understand why your dad would want to spend all this money only to have a single throttle and run pump. I'm sure it will be a quick car but if I were building a dedicated drag car I would most definately have it running methanol and quads if the budget allowed which it looks like is the case here.

I well designed manifold and throttle body combo can outflow ITBs easily

[G AE82]

Agreed but not the combo listed.

[ZeForce]

Thats a fair point

[grumpy rooster]

Come on guys. Everyone has their own view of the world. Let them be.

I don't get all the negativity towards the car? :(

[G AE82]

I think the cars great no doubt don't get me wrong, we need more like it.

[todaek9]

i wanna run 10's as well...:(
but i don't really wanna shave 250kg from my car...:(
if i shave it, how could i sell my car..:(

[BaNaNaMaN]

You are quiet right about the quads. Dad has 3 sets already but is not going to run them on the car becuase there is something "new" he wants to try with the current setup. Like I said that is not the complete list there are parts that are prototype which he wants to develop before letting our details.

Methanol is also a possibility when the car gets tuned. The engine is built to take it just not to start with as there are clear goals in mind.

I appreciate all the comments.

[fatboyz39]

We are currently building up a new motor whcih hopefully will break into the 11's within the next 6months.....

[todaek9]

6 months?...such a long time...


We are currently building up a new motor whcih hopefully will break into the 11's within the next 6months.....

[PHAT1]

ye i'll be one of the 12's boys, but good luck to the 11's