supercharger for the new civic TYPE R

[noodle999]

anyone know where to go to get this done?
and how much would it cost? (in Melbourne)

any comments or recommendations will be much appreciated,

[JaCe]

The car is still relatively new here so I don't think any local companies are offering it yet? (Prove me wrong!)

But as it's been out in UK for a while, maybe try looking on UK websites. I remember seeing UK tuning companies advertise in the Top Gear magazine (it's an imported magazine from Britain available at a lot of newsagents) so you might want to check that out for ideas/inspiration?

[sitta]

well, type r is all about n/a. I think when you supercharge it its not a type r anymore and im actually quite happy with the performance already. Any further performance upgrade will be intake + header + ecu + exhaust no way im putting a supercharger ni there

[Mrrevolution]

People feel it lacks torque , is that why you considering supercharger ?

[noodle999]

yeah, from 1000-5000 rev, it takes a while to get up there, i've driven a twin turbo supra and soarer before, the torque 0-5000 rev blows my mind as comparing to the type R, there just isn't any of that body sticking to the seat feeling in this, perhaps adding a turbo or a supercharger will fix this

[pornstar]

superchargers and turbochargers properly sized for the job will make a good gain for useable power.

General rule of thumb is that a turbo is a better option for our motors because of the parasitic loss attributed to the drive belt of a Supercharger.

A well matched garrett ball bearing turbo will often be the better choice as it gives u much more power at the top end, without the loss from the drivebelts and have a large window of useable power that the bottom end will not suffer.

[matt]

if that was the sort of feeling u were after then u bought the wrong car.
all type r's are like that nothing much below ~4500rpm.

i havent been in a supercharged type r, but i doubt they would match the torque of the cars u mentioned purely cos they have heaps more engine capacity

[yfin]

If you want to retain factory dash and controls - the biggest cost/issue you will find is ECU. The drive by wire throttle just complicates things. Same problem with the Euro.

[pornstar]

thast wrong yoram, there is a wide amount of ecus that can run it, its just ppl not willing to pay for them ;)

[SeverAMV]

yeah, from 1000-5000 rev, it takes a while to get up there, i've driven a twin turbo supra and soarer before, the torque 0-5000 rev blows my mind as comparing to the type R, there just isn't any of that body sticking to the seat feeling in this, perhaps adding a turbo or a supercharger will fix this

supras and soarers are straight 6s, which = big torque. they also have like 2.5x more torque than the type r if i have my figures right. that and the supras and soarers only rev up to 6.5k-ish, so the output scale is diff to a type r that can rev up to 8-8.3k. that and its partially due to the existence of vtec that you lack power from 1-5k revs, as under 5k revs, its on the (moderately) fuel efficient cam lobes.
turbos also peak their torque earlier, and when it peaks, it comes on strongly. if all you're after is bottom end response, then a small supercharger should do.

[Mrrevolution]

With the the supercharger the power boost is alot more linear.
Hence the reason for the supercharger over turbo, so it still feels the same
as driving a naturally aspirated car, and still enjoy the vtec powerband after 5k rpm.
If you want outright power, then turbo is the way to go.

[Zilli]

did u even drive the car before you bought it?

[cristian]

i thought that the ariel atoms with the K20's have a supercharged variant...

there's probably some UK supercharger kits for the new K's by now...

[yfin]

thast wrong yoram, there is a wide amount of ecus that can run it, its just ppl not willing to pay for them ;)

Yep, I agree. There are options but not cheap.

[Tofu]

i thought that the ariel atoms with the K20's have a supercharged variant...

there's probably some UK supercharger kits for the new K's by now...

the Ariel Atom uses the Jackson Racing roots type supercharger..
but as someone has already said, the FN2 TypeR is drive by wire, which makes things complicated and expensive.

I have driven a Jackson Racing supercharged DC5R (Australian spec with the K20a2) and the car is just insane, the power is just not usable...and also be prepared to have some $$$ left aside just for tyres because you will just have no grip with that much power.

When I try to drive it slowly, the car is not smooth at all...the gas pedal is heaps sensitive.
If you put the foot down travelling 60km/h in 5th gear and you will spin the wheels

[kyle]

I think when you supercharge it its not a type r anymore

Not like the FN2 is a "true" type R anyway.

[Mrrevolution]

Not like the FN2 is a "true" type R anyway.

I agree.

[cristian]

If you put the foot down travelling 60km/h in 5th gear and you will spin the wheels

DAMN!

[SeverAMV]

With the the supercharger the power boost is alot more linear.
Hence the reason for the supercharger over turbo, so it still feels the same
as driving a naturally aspirated car, and still enjoy the vtec powerband after 5k rpm.
If you want outright power, then turbo is the way to go.

that highly depends on the supercharger type. some lose boost at high revs, some maintain the same boost throughout the rev range, whilst others increase boost with an increase in revs. centrifugal types are better as the boost is more progressive, so its like you stuck in a bigger displacement engine.

[UNLS1]

if you want torque u shouldnt of bought a honda!

[JaCe]

did u even drive the car before you bought it?

LOL that was the first thought which came to my mind. Usually people are pretty happy with performance of things whether it be actual engine performance or audio system for example for a little while.. and only then do they realise limitations and want to upgrade.

Just seems rather foolish that the TC would buy the CTR knowing that the car had a bit of emptiness down low, and there was no chance it could match the other cars he/she mentioned. Please excuse me if I misunderstood (e.g. maybe it's not your choice and someone bought it for you, etc..)

[ozR18]

are u allowed to redline type-r's when buying brand new from the dealers?? to hit vtec?

[m0nty ITR]

if that was the sort of feeling u were after then u bought the wrong car.
all type r's are like that nothing much below ~4500rpm.

i havent been in a supercharged type r, but i doubt they would match the torque of the cars u mentioned purely cos they have heaps more engine capacity

Agreed. You knew what you were getting yourself into with a VTEC motor. Torque is not their forte. If you have to do anything, do some breather mods. Get some nice headers, exhaust and CAI. If you want more look at HONDATA, Autronic ECUs and some cams. All that would probably be cheaper than a custom turbocharging job and you retain all that we love about VTEC.