could it be piston rings?

[cristian]

my car sounds like a rexy...normally idles about 1100 but now it drops to 500...

i come to a stop and exhaust smoke is thick...burning oil obviously...

and the water temp goes above halfway...but my coolant level hasn't changed...

[fatboyz39]

GAME OVER for the motor.

Sounds like a headgasket.

[phantom_civic]

Sounds like ur car is running on 3 cylinders or less..
sounds like bad detonation 2 me, motor could be on its way out.

[cristian]

is dat repairable???

[fatboyz39]

headgasket yes. Anything is repaireable.

[est1989]

gonna end up costing u more than the car man... time for a new car...

[cristian]

why how much is a head gasket???

[est1989]

at least 1K? correct me if im wrong

[040501912]

its piston ring :p my car do the samething but only SMOKE on high RPM

the wrex sound should be gone after awhile.. but den the engine is screwed up.. either u rebuild ur engine / recondition or just get a new engine with lower milage..

CHECK your sparkies.. if they are dipped on oil or oil arround it..
Fuel consumption is getting worst and worst.. den ur car should retired.

symptoms :
hard start when the engine cold
black smoke come out when u start the car
running on few cylinders when u start ur car.. until it revs up and all normal..

[est1989]

eingine recond would cost about 2k... well thats how much my mates car cost...

[cristian]

what u's rekon i should do??? coz its hard for me to go without a car...

[misteR_bilzz]

at least 1K? correct me if im wrong

yes your wrong lol
gaskets cost like 12bucks from supercheap they're only the gasket that sits between the rocker cover and the block.

the Head is what is expensive!

[cristian]

yes your wrong lol
gaskets cost like 12bucks from supercheap they're only the gasket that sits between the rocker cover and the block.

the Head is what is expensive!

but the head doesnt need replacing right?

[est1989]

yes your wrong lol
gaskets cost like 12bucks from supercheap they're only the gasket that sits between the rocker cover and the block.

the Head is what is expensive!

head gasket? u sure? hrmm i think i or u are talking about different things lol

[040501912]

is it really bad? like smokes badly?

try to see the sparkies first. and ur spark leads see if any oil puddles on it.
ur car wont last long. and u gonna paying more fuel den u have too..

i suggest u to get a low millage engine. and put it in.. instead of rebuilding it.
rebuilding will cost you more..

if you are not thinking to keeping the car for long just swap engine.

[cristian]

ahh k then...
man...gotta find me a motor...

[dupac->]

yeah its probably the rings.
my camry did the same thing.

sits hi and low on idle. poors out smoke ramdomly while on idle. chewed oil like no tomorrow.

got the head gasket fixed..

and still munched oil. and idled up and down and still blew smoke.. then 2 weeks later it was a camry but sounded like a rexxy. changed the leads and spark plugs thinking it was that since the head gasket was fixed. but then realised it was piston rings. one cylinder seized up then sold it for $400.

running on 3cyl.. then GG for the motor. then i got a civic

LOL

[est1989]

yeah its probably the rings.
my camry did the same thing.

sits hi and low on idle. poors out smoke ramdomly while on idle. chewed oil like no tomorrow.

got the head gasket fixed..

and still munched oil. and idled up and down and still blew smoke.. then 2 weeks later it was a camry but sounded like a rexxy. changed the leads and spark plugs thinking it was that since the head gasket was fixed. but then realised it was piston rings. one cylinder seized up then sold it for $400.

running on 3cyl.. then GG for the motor. then i got a civic

LOL

how much did it cost to get head gasket fixed?

[cristian]

do u's know if honbits have whole motors or just parts?

[misteR_bilzz]

but the head doesnt need replacing right?

take it to a mechanics and do a leak down test might be a quick fix or an expensive one..


head gasket? u sure? hrmm i think i or u are talking about different things lol

U may have been referring to the head.. if thats gone, then yes itll be expensive

but u said head gasket which is just a rubber gasket that stops the oil from leaking between the block and the rocker cover = cheap!

[dupac->]

head gasket? u sure? hrmm i think i or u are talking about different things lol

lol ur talking about the same thing.
bilz is going on about the gasket and howmuch it is.. which is right.. lol

but ur on about howmuch it is to get fixed labour etc etc$600 TO $1K

coz they do a little more, not just replacing the gasket recondition the head n shit too
well tahts if its a BLOWN headgasket..

water and oil mixing a cocktail in ur radiator..
well that was the case with mine

lol and the mechanic also said i had a warped head.
i checked in the mirror and he was right :(

[est1989]

take it to a mechanics and do a leak down test might be a quick fix or an expensive one..



U may have been referring to the head.. if thats gone, then yes itll be expensive

but u said head gasket which is just a rubber gasket that stops the oil from leaking between the block and the rocker cover = cheap!

;) thanks for clearin that up mate

[cristian]

rekon they're gonna change pistons n machine the cyl?

[dupac->]

do u's know if honbits have whole motors or just parts?
just buy another car man.

u get a motor thats GG already and you'll be crying.

cut ur losses and get another run around

[est1989]

just buy another car man.

u get a motor thats GG already and you'll be crying.

cut ur losses and get another run around

ahuh what i said earlier :) woo

[cristian]

hmm...

aye whats GG?!?

[est1989]

good game mate LOL
usually said by gamers at the end of a game or some shit LOL

[dsp26]

yep head gasket... no point doing any tests... you described all the symptoms already

i can do a compression check for you (not a leakdown test) and prove it.

excluding a full rebuild, labour of changing the head gasket (pulling the head off) and milling the head flat again is worth far more than a 2nd hand motor and half the value of the car... sell it... unless glen wants to pull it apart at mates rates

[dupac->]

good game lol

[cristian]

ahh k...

man, im sellin things and i need a get around car...

only got bout 1500 in the bank for the next 2 weeks...

[cristian]

yep head gasket... no point doing any tests... you described all the symptoms already

i can do a compression check for you (not a leakdown test) and prove it.

excluding a full rebuild, labour of changing the head gasket (pulling the head off) and milling the head flat again is worth far more than a 2nd hand motor and half the value of the car... sell it... unless glen wants to pull it apart at mates rates

rekon i can sell it in this condition?

[dsp26]

ahh k...

man, im sellin things and i need a get around car...

only got bout 1500 in the bank for the next 2 weeks...

weren't you getting all that head work done anyway?

[dupac->]

people say its the head gasket which it probably is aswell..

but i say piston rings. as its happened to me.. got the head/gasket fixed machined cleaned flushed.

but still blew smoke and idled funny then 2 weeks later after the fix.. the cylinder seized ran on 3 cyl.. and then gg..

and thas with the head gasket fixed reco head n all.

[dsp26]

rekon i can sell it in this condition?

Trade it in to Australian Fleet sales... prolly give you $2k for it... according to their tv ads anyway...

unless someone here wants to buy it as a shell for a project

[cristian]

yea i had the money...but some 'stuff' came up...
:D

im sellin plasma tv's...had to put money into this lil business bro...das y im broke for the next 2 weeks

[dsp26]

people say its the head gasket which it probably is aswell..

but i say piston rings. as its happened to me.. got the head/gasket fixed machined cleaned flushed.

but still blew smoke and idled funny then 2 weeks later after the fix.. the cylinder seized ran on 3 cyl.. and then gg..

and thas with the headgasket fixed reco head n all.

could be true in his case as well but thats more of a worse case scenario than head gasket change in terms of rebuild cost...

either way.. because of the cars value itself is not even worth investigating getting the engine fixed

[cristian]

Trade it in to Australian Fleet sales... prolly give you $2k for it... according to their tv ads anyway...

unless someone here wants to buy it as a shell for a project

interesting...

i've been interested in an EG for the past week...

[040501912]

ahh k...

man, im sellin things and i need a get around car...

only got bout 1500 in the bank for the next 2 weeks...

OUCH ... thats gotta hurt wen ur car just give up on u .. well.. get something to run arround while u going to fix ur car :thumbsup:

go to whreckers just find the engine u need.
JUST engine with out any gearbox or other crap.. coz u gonna use your own gearbox and stuff that u already have in ur car. and try to do DIY as much as you can :) that will save u money.

Good luck dude.. coz ... im in the same situation as u .. and its really pain in the ass to have this trouble.

[dsp26]

yea i had the money...but some 'stuff' came up...
:D

im sellin plasma tv's...had to put money into this lil business bro...das y im broke for the next 2 weeks

ay.. selling plasma tv's from back of trucks ay?? where's my invite?!?!:p

[cristian]

OUCH ... thats gotta hurt wen ur car just give up on u .. well.. get something to run arround while u going to fix ur car :thumbsup:

go to whreckers just find the engine u need.
JUST engine with out any gearbox or other crap.. coz u gonna use your own gearbox and stuff that u already have in ur car. and try to do DIY as much as you can :) that will save u money.

Good luck dude.. coz ... im in the same situation as u .. and its really pain in the ass to have this trouble.

i got a friend who will change the motor for me for a box of longnecks...but i just need a replacement engine for the meantime...

[dupac->]

could be true in his case as well but thats more of a worse case scenario than head gasket change in terms of rebuild cost...

either way.. because of the cars value itself is not even worth investigating getting the engine fixed

well its best to take it to mechanic if u do wanna get it fixed. or a better diagnosis.

coz if ur gonna take everyones word here and say its a head gasket then ur gonna run into the same shit as me.. gettin the head gasket and head fixed when it could also be ur pistons and piston rings aswell.. not worth the hasslle IMO

i give u $200 for the shell cristian
lol

[cristian]

ay.. selling plasma tv's from back of trucks ay?? where's my invite?!?!:p

:D

im still getting my list coz its plasmas, ent. systems, laptops...

still finalizing prices...

i'll let u know, dont worry

[cristian]

well its best to take it to mechanic if u do wanna get it fixed. or a better diagnosis.

coz if ur gonna take everyones word here and say its a head gasket then ur gonna run into the same shit as me.. gettin the head gasket and head fixed when it could also be ur pistons and piston rings aswell.. not worth the hasslle IMO

i give u $200 for the shell cristian
lol

haha...we'll see...coz i was either gonna recon the motor and just keep savin for another car for the next yr or so...

or i find me an efi eg at the end of the year and look at gettin a swap from fatboyz39

[dupac->]

does it sound like a rexxy constantly?


if it does.. im sure the rings have already shat itself and u have a seized piston..

or maybe the sparkies/leads may need a change which i doubt.

[cristian]

does it sound like a rexxy constantly?


if it does.. im sure the rings have already shat itself and u have a seized piston..

or maybe the sparkies/leads may need a change which i doubt.
the car feels normal when im at about 2500 and up...

just when i got home, im comin to a stop and the cars in neutral...the idle's at 500...and noticed theres a lot of smoke comin from the car...

[dupac->]

drive up a kinda steep hill..

if ur car struggles heaps, well comparing to how it was running before. then im sure ur only running 3 cylinders.

coz my car felt fine and normal speed just when taking off it sounded like a rexxy... i was still hooning with 3 cylinders. when i got to steep hills GOOD GAME


or even easier.. while ur car is on idle.. pull out a lead and see iof theres any noticeable change in the idle.. if there is a change like the engine shaking more when u pull it out that means that cylinder is ok.. but if one of them doesnt make a difference then thats the one that shat itself

one at a time though. pull one lead out ---> notice a change?--->plug back in---->next lead until u find the one thats working

(but not sure if this is the LEGIT way of checking)
lol

**edit

[cristian]

hahaha...i remember my car feeling like this about 3 yrs ago but worse...i couldn't get any power at all...and the car would begin idle at 3000 then work its way down to 1500 after about 5 mins...

all they did was clean out my carbies...

[cristian]

**update**
thanks for the replies guys...
the mech confirmed it...head was pretty much fkt...would cost atleast $1100 to fix...

anywayz i ended up gettin a replacement motor for the time being...

500bucks...
d15b4 110,000kms

a friend of mine, (the mech) is gonna put it in for me for next 2 nothing...

[est1989]

**update**
thanks for the replies guys...
the mech confirmed it...head was pretty much fkt...would cost atleast $1100 to fix...

anywayz i ended up gettin a replacement motor for the time being...

500bucks...
d15b4 110,000kms

a friend of mine, (the mech) is gonna put it in for me for next 2 nothing...

told u it'd roughly be 1k :)