Opinion on Sound System Package

[ozR18]

Hi ..i just got a qoute from Audiocom for some set of speakers, amp and subs.

Kenwood Front Splits $280 installed
Clarion Amp and Subwoofer $550 installed with the necessary wiring
Not changing my rear speakers..keeping stock.

they sounded alrite(on an aftermarket headunit at the shop) but is that ok without an aftermarket headunit??

Another question..if i just install the front splits and everything else stock (no subs, no amps)..will it be slighly better than the factory setup? a friend of mine told me it will infact be worst becaue apparently the splitters will kill the bass from the front speakers...hence u will eventually need subs and amps.

Civic Vti....stock headunit at the moment. Thanks

[honda_zivic]

if u gonna just run splits with no amp and with factory Hu , den ders no point as it will sound shit coz ur factory hu cant handle it..

[Dell99]

^above^
agreed

[ozR18]

ok..roger that

[aka_NSX]

who said is gonna sound shit ??? some of speaker allow you to run it direct from your OEM deck try to get one with very high sensitivity and around 30-40Wrms (check Focal 165A1) I can guarantee it will sound much better than your stock, and of course if run it with an amp it always an advantage

[D4rk4n63l]

^ agreed.. high efficiency speaker allows similar if not better quality for less input power. Put simply, you dont need massive power to drive a high efficient speaker set.

[honda_zivic]

yea but da kenwood splits he's puttin in might b to powerful like eg: 100 rms on to a factory hu. and da factory speakers r only 30rms, that will will b a waste.

[ozR18]

ill get the specs for the speakers and then hopefully someone can figure if its ok or not...but its probably better just get the subs and amp together with the splits. I was weighting other cost cutting options.

it shud be able to run on the factory headunit right?

[NightKids]

The question is why you getting Kenwood splits for nearly $300 when you can pick up a brand new set of Jaycars for $150?

[Fr3aKi3]

Or Alpine Type R's for $299 rrp, or focal 165v1 or v2's with some haggling.

[IZY-10]

not only do you get quality loss with the factory hu also you will loose 3db in amplitude which acquaints to 1/2 of the full power. So it is very inefficient

[omgzilla]

Another vote here for Jaycars - I had them in my Skyline, un-amped (just run off a JVC headunit and they sounded great for what they cost.

I'll probably get another set for my EK :)

But if you've got a bigger budget or not - you're better off saving for amp etc - it really will be much better in the end.

[ozR18]

ok...from wat i have been reading. i get an impression running a high power non factory speakers are only gonna produce shit sound..hence amp, sub, line converters is needed.

i think the factory headunit wont be good enough for the front splits alone.

i saw a deal on pioneer speakers and clarion subs/4channel amp for less than 700 bucks installed...

[NightKids]

JUst try the Jaycars unamped and see what u think, but you'll eventually need to amp it

[omgzilla]

My Jaycar Response splits weren't amped and sounded pretty good until you really cranked up the volume and they start to 'distort'. This is when they suffer from being underpowered.

In general; most aftermarket performance speakers will sound fine running off a headunit. But this setup is very limited. Most headunits only put out around 50w, which really isnt alot, so if you want to get the real potential out of your aftermarket speakers you really should amplify them. They will then put out a much louder and clearer sound.

Hope this helps.

[Vinnie]

you never NEED to amp speakers, its just always preferable as it maximises their performance :)

a standard h/u puts out about 16-18wrms which clearly is not enough to power speakers to their full capacity but it doesent mean theyll only be half as loud or anything. if you are only looking for a very cheap upgrade, running cheap aftermarket speakers off the h/u will still sound better than stock :)

[kol_m_53100]

get a component set speakers...u will get tweeters and crossovers which will produce better sound quality...invest ure money in buying a speakers, so that u wont have to `rebuy`them again...go mbquart if ure aiming for sound quality

[marcoardeno]

get a component set speakers...u will get tweeters and crossovers which will produce better sound quality...invest ure money in buying a speakers, so that u wont have to `rebuy`them again...go mbquart if ure aiming for sound quality

go dynaudio,. and make sure you feed them well

[NightKids]

Wow dynaudio... really good stuff but comes with a heavy price tag

[ozR18]

Installed Pioneer TS-C1625 Separate 2-Way 16cm 220W max speakers for 250 inc installation last week without any amplifiers. IMO..i dun get as much bass as i used too from my old speakers but Nice surround sound feeling though and the clarity sharpness is definately better.

Well..i guess it can run without amplifiers and factory headunit..but i feel u do lose out on the bass therefore u need to run amps or even maybe a subwoofer to finish it off.

Well..gonna see wat jaycars has to offer and also jb-hifi.I think audiocom has overcharged me abit.

[NightKids]

It's too late now, you should have gone Jaycar splits. Oh wellz....

[ozR18]

i was commited by placing a deposit...

[dc2dc2dc2]

Hi just quick audio question might be a bit silly.

Stock H/U ===> Aftermarket speakers
OR
Aftermarket H/U ====> Stock speakers

What would u go for ? and why ?

[solitz]

for me id go aftermarket headunit with stock speakers.....with that additonal power flowing through the speakers it would sound better and also there should be a sound quality increase when upgrading from stock to an aftermarket headunit if still on stock speakers
coz the way i see it is if u get good speakers on ur stock headunit...there wouldnt be enough power to produce the same sound....and when u do crank up teh volume ull get distortion and ull hear it clearly as uve changed ur speakers
i got headunit first before i got my splits done and yeah i noticed such a big difference

[dc2dc2dc2]

cheers man.

thanks for answering my silly question ! I was just curious thats all.

[solitz]

haha no problem
i had the same problem as you ...which one to decide and eventually i went aftermarket H/U over speakers

[NightKids]

Good decision!

[RayEarth]

I confirm that my Accord 03 stock H/U uses the TA8264AH or the TA8275H IC amplifier, which has the following specs:

http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/toshiba/1602.pdf

Power: 24WRMS x 4 (Vcc=14.4, f=1 kHz, THD=10%, RL=4R)

Note the distortion ratio....(it's much better at 5W, THD=0.02%).

[xtc.thai]

jaycar response tweeters are mint. :thumbsup: