Warning DC5 (R/S) Owners/ K20A2,K20Z1

[EL_DC5]

Every Service Get the part the oil filter screw on to checked/ tightend!!! On Friday night I was jumping on the M4 east bound from the Cumberland HWY and I lost power and smoke everywhere. I immediately turned the car off and rolled to a safe position on the on ramp. I Lost all my engine oil.
What happens is that the OEM Oil filter goes on tight and when you unscrew it, it also unscrews the part you are unscrewing it from. So what happens is that the Little oil cooler that the oil filter sits on becomes loose and the little rubber sealing it comes loose and pops out.

You have been warned!.

I got my car serviced at a reputable performance place and they don't check this/ it's not listed on the service manual to check.

[XP02ED]

HAHAHAHA (not laughing at the situation)

but i saw you :D

[EL_DC5]

HAHAHAHA (not laughing at the situation)

but i saw you :D

Thanks for Helping a fellow teggy out!!!

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lol i had problems too! BWAHHAAH and i was opposite way!

my header and cat have issues not huge but my bc headers are held by springs right

they seperate when i give my car a hard launch

gta get the springs changed or welded

[m0nk3y]

i think if this was a major problem, wouldnt honda have done a recall? its not the owner's responsibility to look for these things after a service has been done

[EL_DC5]

I think there must be a bulletin somewhere about it.. It happens to some new Euros as well apparently

[EL_DC5]

Cant find any warnings or bulletins. anyone else had a look????

[shadou]

how'd you manage to get home? tow?

[panda[cRx]]

u sure they didnt just overtighten the filter and damage the rubber seal?

[EL_DC5]

how'd you manage to get home? tow?

Honda Assist, Towed me

[EL_DC5]

;1352429']u sure they didnt just overtighten the filter and damage the rubber seal?

Its not the oil filter rubber seal dude, its the oil cooler rubber seal, thin ring type, poped out of its place because it was loss.

[|N|]

so who is paying for this?

[panda[cRx]]

just asking coz it's not very common. i've never personally heard of that happening before


so who is paying for this?

the workshop should foot the bill coz they stuffed up

[|N|]

;1352452']just asking coz it's not very common. i've never personally heard of that happening before



the workshop should foot the bill coz they stuffed up

i hope they do

[EL_DC5]

I payed for it all, I got my car towed to proconcept which is around the corner from me. and they changed the oil filler and filled the oil back up. but they didn't realize that the oil was leaking straight out until they stepped on it, it was Motul 5/30 good stuff, so 4 litres down the drain. and then they investigated and fixed the problem. But they charged me for the 8 litres. which was harsh on the pocket. but they have very good service. very professional clean place, reminds me of Jap work shops in pics.

[|N|]

I payed for it all, I got my car towed to proconcept which is around the corner from me. and they changed the oil filler and filled the oil back up. but they didn't realize that the oil was leaking straight out until they stepped on it, it was Motul 5/30 good stuff, so 4 litres down the drain. and then they investigated and fixed the problem. But they charged me for the 8 litres. which was harsh on the pocket. but they have very good service. very professional clean place, reminds me of Jap work shops in pics.

you shouild send the bill to whoever service the car for you... provided that u have recepit...

coz its really their fault...

[bennjamin]

Good luck trying to prove it was them who was at fault.
Its happened to my mate on my driveway before. He was doing a diy oil change and Left the old rubber seal on the oil filter mount , and the new one didnt tighten fully. Oil pissed all over my driveway and pissed oil everywhere.

[m0nk3y]

you shouild send the bill to whoever service the car for you... provided that u have recepit...

coz its really their fault...

they will just deny it, saying you could have done a DIY oil change and screwed it up

[obsessionz]

so is there all oil all over the m4 now? did you report it so they could clean the oil up ... cause cars will be sliding all over the place if so very dangerous... just like bananna peels! :p

[EL_DC5]

I put dirt on the oil while i was waiting for the towy dude(LOL) but i told the NRMA lady to report it to the required people. she assured me she would

[aaronng]

Its not the oil filter rubber seal dude, its the oil cooler rubber seal, thin ring type, poped out of its place because it was loss.

The oil cooler rubber seal???? There isn't one on the oil cooler (filter mount) side. I think the mech who removed the old filter didn't check that the old seal had tore off the old oil filter. So when he put on the new filter, there were 2 seals on, which caused the leak.

[EL_DC5]

its the o ring, the Oil Cooler Centre bolt was loose,
this was supplied by Charger on Club ITRhttp://img475.imageshack.us/img475/8617/oilcoolerandfiltered6.jpg

[EL_DC5]

The oil cooler rubber seal???? There isn't one on the oil cooler (filter mount) side. I think the mech who removed the old filter didn't check that the old seal had tore off the old oil filter. So when he put on the new filter, there were 2 seals on, which caused the leak.

It does have a rubber seal as above ^^

[destrukshn]

yeah it does.
BUT, it shouldn't come loose anyways.
it's just that you had bad luck.
becuase, it is such a big bolt, it should never really come loose, unless you loosen it yourself.
it should never really pop out by itself.
i would of claimed it under warranty, personally.

[EL_DC5]

yeah it does.
BUT, it shouldn't come loose anyways.
it's just that you had bad luck.
becuase, it is such a big bolt, it should never really come loose, and you loosen it yourself.
it should never really pop out by itself.
i would of claimed it under warranty, personally.

what does the part in red mean?

[destrukshn]

whoops
lol
it should of been.
unless you loosen it yourself.
lol.

[EL_DC5]

whoops
lol
it should of been.
unless you loosen it yourself.
lol.

how. at my massive garage with my hoist. LOL and my new SNAP ON tool set

its quite hard to access this bolt man, and i have never service my car

[destrukshn]

exactly, that's why i would of claimed it under warranty.

[DR HONDA]

there are instructions on a honda oil filter on how to be tightened and hand tight is a definate no no.

[fatboyz39]

Thats a first of a oil filter unscrewing itself.

I've always done it abit tighter then hand tight. Too tight will wreck the oil filter seal and it'll leak. I would bring it back to the workshop who done it.

[destrukshn]

i think his talking about the oil cooler seal.
the on that goes on the block itself.

[aaronng]

there are instructions on a honda oil filter on how to be tightened and hand tight is a definate no no.
The filter is to be tightened to 12Nm. That IS hand tight!

Only noobs and apperentices overtighten the oil filter using the filter tool.

[bennjamin]

there are instructions on a honda oil filter on how to be tightened and hand tight is a definate no no.

IF DR honda tells the world this , who do we believe ? lol.
As aaronng said its supposed to be hand tightened. You should never tighten it with a tool. As it is , oil filter removers work on way to undo - not to tighten :thumbsup:

[EL_DC5]

Just make sure you guys get this checked on your next service !

[DR HONDA]

Boys buy a genuine filter and put it on a vibrating vtec engine hand tightened that is and with time it will loosen. The genuine filter is different to the rycos etc. The seal sits behind the filter edge and requires torquing. So lets get this right aftermarket filters most are by hand. Genuine OEM Honda oil filters require to be torqued and who ever wants to dispute this feel free.

[rvong]

Thanks for the heads up!

[bennjamin]

The problem is the term " hand tighten". Its vague and dose not describe every persons implementation.Honda does have a special tool that grips the oil filter and torques it to 22nm
Ive been thru that many oil changes and firmly* hand tightened each time.

*hand tightened = lightly tighten , then wipe the oil filter clean and use a clean hand to firmly turn it.

IS this the re. spec of 22nm ? Who knows.

[DR HONDA]

I shouldnt have quoted in this thread but it is 14nm using OEM. I tighten to 20nm. I also use the genuine tool becaused thats what im use too and it doesnt schratch the oil filter. call it what ever you want.:thumbsup:

[EL_DC5]

almost a week and my car is ok..... I shit myself when this happened !

[EL_DC5]

The problem is the term " hand tighten". Its vague and dose not describe every persons implementation.Honda does have a special tool that grips the oil filter and torques it to 22nm
Ive been thru that many oil changes and firmly* hand tightened each time.

*hand tightened = lightly tighten , then wipe the oil filter clean and use a clean hand to firmly turn it.

IS this the re. spec of 22nm ? Who knows.


I shouldnt have quoted in this thread but it is 14nm using OEM. I tighten to 20nm. I also use the genuine tool becaused thats what im use too and it doesnt schratch the oil filter. call it what ever you want.:thumbsup:

SO there is or there isn't a tool?????:confused:

what does Honda Service use?

[DR HONDA]

There is a tool for honda oem filters.

[destrukshn]

second that,

[bennjamin]

second that,

third that duh :)

The honda manual for most cars gives 22nm torque spec to properly seal the oil filter. You use the tool which grabs the outside of the filter.
Some filters come with a hex piece on the end to use a normal spanner or torque wrench. But firmly hand tightening is fine.

[fatboyz39]

More accurately use a torque wrench!

[shadou]

lol torque wrench an oil filter on???

[Chi]

Ive been hand tightening all my oil filters for the past serveral years.

Never had a problem

BUt then i do tighten em so hard i get blisters hahaha

[aaronng]

My figure of 12Nm comes from my Euro's workshop manual. Anyway, 12, 14, 20, 22Nm, all of them are achievable by hand without needing much force. :) Also, the rubber seal gives a little bit so the torque is constant throughout a part of the oil filter's rotation when tightening, like how a crush washer works.

[SHIFTY]

usually should be hand tight then quarter of a turn with oil filter tool...

well at least that's what i do :)

[aaronng]

usually should be hand tight then quarter of a turn with oil filter tool...

well at least that's what i do :)

I don't use the tool to tighten. I tighten "finger" tight with my finger tips, then I grip the filter tightly with my hand and do another 1/4 turn.

[destrukshn]

there is no harm in using the tool, to a certain extent.
just do 1/4 or even 1/2 and it will be fine.

[EL_DC5]

Bump!!