Will K20a for B18c fits Toyota Celica

[zropts]

Hi every1,

Just another noob question here, I was just wondering if K20a or B18c will fit Toyota Celica? I got an 1997 toyota celica sx (5fse) at the moment. I wanted more power but as its very hard to find parts for toyota in Australia. The reason why i wanted to converted to K20a or B18c because I liked the interior of the celica better then dc2 or dc5. If any1 have any better suggestion then please post it here. Thanks guys and girls appreciate your help.

Cheers

[jdm_kid]

anything is possible. if u got lots of dough. why not get a GT4 engine?

[Spunkymonkey]

yes, perhaps drop a gt4 (3sgte) engine in it instead!

[AsH_]

Sr20t

[xenonkuraz]

The man wants some vt@k in his celica yo. I say if you have enough money, why not rework the DC2 interior instead :D

[aaronng]

If they can put a transverse 20V 4A-GE into an longitudinal AE86, I don't see why you can't put a transverse engine into a transverse chassis. Also, people have put F20Cs into BMWs and AE86s, so there is nothing stopping you from putting a K20A into your Celica as long as you have the money for custom parts. The way the Celica's instruments work, in the worst case you can just use the speedo and tacho off a DC5R in your Celica if your instruments are not compatible with the K20A gearbox.

[Nepolian]

I think you should seel the celica an buy a VTEKKKKKK......like a DC teg or a Lude....which is quite similar to a Celica.

[zropts]

Dont wanna go TURBO charge...just want VTEC in my celica haha. Might consider getting F20C into my celica in a few years time....

[EZZY]

doesnt toyota have the VVTi thingo, similar to the VTEC?

[hunghing]

doesnt toyota have the VVTi thingo, similar to the VTEC?

Not in the 5sfe.

Why don't you try to source a beams 3sge. The specs are basically the same as the k20. It doesn't rev as high but has better torque down low. Should be much easier to bolt up. Only thing is it's much less popular so there isn't near as much aftermarket support.

[aaronng]

doesnt toyota have the VVTi thingo, similar to the VTEC?
Only the 2ZZ-GE has it. And it's VVTL-i. Not VVTi. VVTi is not the same as VTEC.



Why don't you try to source a beams 3sge. The specs are basically the same as the k20. It doesn't rev as high but has better torque down low. Should be much easier to bolt up. Only thing is it's much less popular so there isn't near as much aftermarket support.
3S-GE comes mounted longitudinally. It'll be a pain putting everything together and finding a gearbox which fits the transverse engine bay of the Celica.

[blahZ]

how much money are u gonna spennnnd?
sounds like alot

[hunghing]

3S-GE comes mounted longitudinally. It'll be a pain putting everything together and finding a gearbox which fits the transverse engine bay of the Celica.

I think you're referring to the altezza. The redtop was in mr2 and celica st20x.

[aaronng]

I think you're referring to the altezza. The redtop was in mr2 and celica st20x.

Ahh, yes. But the ST202 one is a 173hp engine. Not really in the same league as the K20A.

[Jarkz]

Buy a HONDA...............

[aaronng]

Nothing wrong with Toyotas.

[hinezz]

do it
anything is possible with $$
:thumbsup:

[ennavoli]

Go private import a Corolla blade master.

No one will dare to fool around with you no more.

[zropts]

Hmmm haven't thought how much im gonna put in....But if B18c or K20a fits then yeah it doesnt matter how much it cost or should I just sell my car and get an ITR?

[hunghing]

Ahh, yes. But the ST202 one is a 173hp engine. Not really in the same league as the K20A.

I think you're talking about the gen3 3sge. Beams celicas/mr2s are pretty rare. The beams 3sge is rated at 200ps with 21kgm. I think that is on par with the k20 stock for stock.

[aaronng]

I think you're talking about the gen3 3sge. Beams celicas/mr2s are pretty rare. The beams 3sge is rated at 200ps with 21kgm. I think that is on par with the k20 stock for stock.

You do know that BEAMS means that it has the newer ECU and electronic throttle, right? Even the old 1.5 Echo had a BEAMS engine. :)

I'm talking about the 3S-GE in the ST202, rated for 200ps. The newer ones only came in the MR2 (VVTi) and RS200 (dual-VVTi), both of which need some work to fit into a Celica.

[hunghing]

You do know that BEAMS means that it has the newer ECU and electronic throttle, right? Even the old 1.5 Echo had a BEAMS engine. :)

I don't think we're talking about the same thing then. Beams is just an acronym given to gen4 3sge engines. The valve cover has 'beams' printed across it.

[Mrrevolution]

2zzge engine would be your best bet, if you want to stay non-turbo.
It has lift, similiar to vtec produces similiar power to b18c7 type r engine.

Best bet would be toyota forum mate.
If you want turbo as advised go for 3sgte.

[aaronng]

I don't think we're talking about the same thing then. Beams is just an acronym given to gen4 3sge engines. The valve cover has 'beams' printed across it.

Yes, and that "BEAMS" means that. People use the word like it is some specially tuned version of the 3S-GE, but when in fact it is just a term for the new ECU and electronic throttle. New engines are also "beams" but it is not printed on the engine cover.

[hunghing]

Not trying to hijack this thread but just wanna get a few things corrected.


Yes, and that "BEAMS" means that. People use the word like it is some specially tuned version of the 3S-GE, but when in fact it is just a term for the new ECU and electronic throttle. New engines are also "beams" but it is not printed on the engine cover.

Beams does not mean a new ECU and electronic throttle. Beams itself stands for 'Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System' so it's a bit more than just a new ECU tune and some electronic goodies. For one, previous 3sge engines did not have variable valve timing. It's like comparing b18a with a b18c, but also with generational differences.

And only the 3sge engines have beams variation.

I wouldn't say it's a more tuned 3sge. It's just a later generation so obviously it will have improvements. I guess people call it that because they're really rare, at least for fwd.

[aaronng]

Beams does not mean a new ECU and electronic throttle. Beams itself stands for 'Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System' so it's a bit more than just a new ECU tune and some electronic goodies. For one, previous 3sge engines did not have variable valve timing. It's like comparing b18a with a b18c, but also with generational differences.

And only the 3sge engines have beams variation.
Yes, it is the next generation of engine has the BEAMS. But BEAMS doesn't mean that it is only this 3S-GE. As I said, BEAMS is a package of a modern ECU (well for that time at least), electronic throttle and maybe VVTi.

Look here:
http://toyota.jp/blade/dynamism/engin/index.html

Do I see a "BEAMS 2GR-FE"? :) That's the same engine as the Aurion btw, which has the new ECU, VVTi and electronic throttle.

Heck, even this "probox van" has a BEAMS engine:
http://toyota.jp/proboxvan/dynamism/engin/index.html

[hunghing]

I didn't realise there were other beams Toyota engines.

But my initial point stands in that the differences between the beams 3sge and gen3 are more than just an ecu re-tune with electronic throttle. Or are you trying to saying all beams engines have newer ecu and electronic throttle? (in which case I would no idea :confused: )

[aaronng]

I didn't realise there were other beams Toyota engines.

But my initial point stands in that the differences between the beams 3sge and gen3 are more than just an ecu re-tune with electronic throttle. Or are you trying to saying all beams engines have newer ecu and electronic throttle? (in which case I would no idea :confused: )

I agree that there are different generations of 3S-GEs and that each one has different internals, heads, valvetrain and even block designs. Same thing with the 4A-GE engine with the 3-rib, 7-rib blocks, MAP, AFM, TVIS, big port, small port, 16v, 20v, single throttle body and ITB variants, cast and forged pistons and of course the SC. I'm just saying that "BEAMS" is not a special engine just for 3S-GE, but that it is an electronics package used in the new engines.

[hunghing]

Yup. I only called it beams 3sge because gen4/5 3sge are commonly referred to as beams 3sge red/black top.

I would think 'Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System' implies more than just a breakthrough in electronics but that's anyone's guess. Or can you show otherwise?

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[aaronng]

Yup. I only called it beams 3sge because gen4/5 3sge are commonly referred to as beams 3sge red/black top.

I would think 'Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System' implies more than just a breakthrough in electronics but that's anyone's guess. Or can you show otherwise?

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From what a translation on Toyota's website shows... it should be a high efficiency engine.

BEAMS ([bimusu]): Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System (harmony with the society was assured, the same aerodynamic volume displacement class worldwide top-level engine)

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