06/07 S2000, Porsche Boxter or BMW Z4?

[Maddog]

Hey guys,

If you had a choice between a 06/07 model s2000, a porsche boxter or a bmw z4 which one will you get? This is considering the cars are roughly around the same price $60,000 - $75,000.

The s2000 is the fastest out of all 3, but what about the boxter, I mean its a porsche after all and has more stlye.

I would find it hard to choose between the s2k and boxter, what are you opinions?

[Mr_will]

you sure the s2000 is the fastest?

personally id go the z4, assuming its the 3.0litre. if the z4 was a 2.5litre, id go the boxster

[m3ntAL_l2]

go audi TT?!

[Maddog]

Serious the Z4? Why, can you explain?

[EK4 Phil]

You should have specified which Z4. There are three different models: 2.5, 3.0, 3.2 being the M3 engine.
Here are some 0-100 time of the manuals from the Z4
2.5 = 6.5sec
3.0 = 5.7sec
3.2 = 5.5sec

My choice would be the s2000. I just love it quick, stylish and the Vtec.

[dc2dc2dc2]

Boxster foe showwwwww

[eriktufa]

How about a used m3 e46?

[CRXONE]

Porche Boxter matey

[MaskedAP1]

How about a used m3 e46?

you can not buy a used e46 m3 with 60-65g, these around 75g are about 70-100k kms.
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here is a clip on youtube, they compare these 3 cars and s2k is the lowest.
with 70g dollars id get a Z4.

[EZZY]

can you get a S2 Boxter S for that money?

[DreadAngel]

Screw that, get a GT-R yO or Supra or something like that, beat the crap out of all those cars above period ;)

If your after Luxury and performance, can't go by the Toyota luxos like Chaser, Soarer, Aristo or maybe like a Cima or something ;)

[euroasia]

you should take into consideration maintainence costs, insurance, drivability and most important what you like best.

My preference would be an boxster S, or a R34 skyline GTR. If they are not available options, i would choose a s2000.

[CRXONE]

Screw that, get a GT-R yO or Supra or something like that, beat the crap out of all those cars above period ;)

If your after Luxury and performance, can't go by the Toyota luxos like Chaser, Soarer, Aristo or maybe like a Cima or something


Rice boy! Toyota Saurer, Skyline, Supra = :thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

:zip:

[jko2]

There is a topgear episode comparing these exact three cars
Jeremy Clarkson - s2000
James May -Boxster
Hampster - z4
Good episode, boxster came out on top on their track, then z4, then s2000.
Watch it!

Just search for "top gear s2000 bmw" on youtube.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

with 70k odd to spend id go for a s1 lotus exige or perhaps an elise with a k20

[DreadAngel]

Rice boy! Toyota Saurer, Skyline, Supra = :thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

:zip:

Awwww shitz... Just cause I didn't fly down to buy your CRX :p

Buy Gracer :p ---> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/R33-GTR-Skyline-GRACER_W0QQitemZ260102592349QQihZ016QQcategoryZ149 118QQcmdZViewItem

[jko2]

Toyota saurer hehe.. sounds like toyotasaurus.

It's Toyota Soarer..

[.::F[L]Y::.]

you still looking for a crx dreadangel?

[ludecrs]

I wouldn't buy any of those 3...

2nd hand market - E46 M3 though they drive like meh, or a Lotus Elise. Certainly my choice would be a purple 1998 NSX-T....

I still wish I got that car..... :(

[chicken8]

Nsx!!

[DreadAngel]

*slaps forehead* NSX got skipped in my list.... BAHHHH *goes emo like Bao and slashes wrist*

Hey Fly, nah, got the car of my dreams coming in ;)

[IZY-10]

go boxter German made quality that you cant go wrong with

[domin8]

Definatley s2k why casue you can mod it mod,has style aswell as class.

the z4 has class but the z4 has known to have rpoblems with their gear box
the boxster appartently their fuel tank get dirty after 45000kms and from what i heard (mechanic) ofcourse its very hard to find a spare fuel tank so yeah well thats my choice :)

[Mr_will]

You should have specified which Z4. There are three different models: 2.5, 3.0, 3.2 being the M3 engine.
Here are some 0-100 time of the manuals from the Z4
2.5 = 6.5sec
3.0 = 5.7sec
3.2 = 5.5sec

My choice would be the s2000. I just love it quick, stylish and the Vtec.

well, if you want to be specific, the 3.2 is a Z4M, and is not a convertible, but rather a coupe.

it seems, from the fact that the two other cars he has chosen are convertibles, that he is after a soft top

anyway, boxsters are povo porsches, i just dont like them.

i prefer the styling of the BMW. the s2000 is old, has **** all torque.

[AsH_]

S2000...

[aznsiko]

S2K!!! ALL THE WAY.. i really dont like european cars.. theyre shit to drive and shit everything lol.. OVER RATED

[DreadAngel]

S2000 overrated, worlds most powerful NA 2L engine, but heck get it wrong and its very sleepy :p

[Perry]

whatever floats ur boat i guess have ask around for maintenance cost for the z4?

[Maddog]

Dont u guys think the Z4 is ugly as hell?

I would go for z4 if it looked half decent. Whats with all those curves and lines?

S2000 looks the best out of all three.

As for the boxter it looks like a small bettle... <--- ugly

[MaskedAP1]

There is a topgear episode comparing these exact three cars
Jeremy Clarkson - s2000
James May -Boxster
Hampster - z4
Good episode, boxster came out on top on their track, then z4, then s2000.
Watch it!

Just search for "top gear s2000 bmw" on youtube.

thats the one im was talking about, but it under wet condition

[Maddog]

if they didnt race under wet conditions the s2000 would have killed them both.

s2k got no traction in the wet.

[aaronng]

Only 2.0L and already no traction. ;)

[deon]

lol think about what your getting for your money
s2k:
a honda lol
a 2L I4 whoopte doo it makes 17x kw its still shit
average interior
on the good side though it does handle nicely.
boxter:
its a pov porche, but its a PORCHE not a honda
decent power..fairly meh though.
quite a nice package, and the new ones look great
z4:
z4 is a great car, but 3l upwards i think just a really good car.

id say the boxter but if you got the best z4 then that one. i think you should add a 350z to that list, they're a really great car, a bloke on this forum has a twin turbo convertible, nice car.
btw what is this shit about dirty fuel tank and z4's with bad gearbox's provide solid evidence of this before commenting, im betting its just some crap you conjured up in your head. aside from that, its probably gogin to be under warranty.

[vtek]

They should ban threads like this what do you mean 176kw is shit from a 2L Deon? Do you know anything about cars? its a roadster its suppose to be plain and featureless thats the way they have designed it. Are you also going to complain about the cabin noise aswel? IDIOT!!! Bet you havent even driven one dam newb.

[2002 TeGgY]

i would defenately go nsx...not cause its a honda but cause its different. i havent seen one on the raod for the past year or so...i see more bentlys than nsx's!!

[dc2dc2dc2]

NSX = overpriced honda

thats why u don't see many on the streets.

[DreadAngel]

More like there aren't that many to buy and overpriced, purchase price alone can be scary, look at the insurance, its a supercar so prepare your arm and a leg ;)

[aaronng]

A tiptronic non-S Boxster is about the same in acceleration as a manual Euro. So go for the S or be prepared to be disappointed.

[ryuhou]

z4 for sure

[CRXONE]

Yeah Z4's are horny

[deon]

They should ban threads like this what do you mean 176kw is shit from a 2L Deon? Do you know anything about cars? its a roadster its suppose to be plain and featureless thats the way they have designed it. Are you also going to complain about the cabin noise aswel? IDIOT!!! Bet you havent even driven one dam newb.

are you stupid? i already said great wow highest hp per lt wonderful. its still only 176kw dumbass. not only that i did mention its a good car for hammering and driving hard. You dont know me, im not a "newb" i just dont use this forum much, i probably have a much greater knowledge about cars than you. I'll say again s2k DOG under 5krpm..most driving woudl be done under that so unless yoru using it specifically to thrash i dont see the point in it. it would be just like any other 4cyl car, it only shines when you thrash it.

[vtek]

Yeah your really knowledgable bagging the most powerful NA 2.0ltr motor in the world and one of the best cars hondas ever built. Do you know the concept behind the Vtec? from what you are trying to say, Newb it seems like you dont. Your comparing straight line performance and thats not what Honda is all about. If they were then they would just bolt on turbo chargers on everything and it will kill everything on the road.

[CRXONE]

LOL

Just go buy a wog chariot buddy

[EL_DC5]

the boxter is only 15&#37; porsche

[DreadAngel]

Boxster poor mans 911, its like telling everyone, hey, I can't afford 911 but since I love Porsche so much, I bought a Boxster instead lolz

I like Boxster still though hahaha

[aaronng]

The old 911s before the 996 would bite you in the ass as they would spin when you lost rear traction. That's why they made the boxster. The MR layout is more forgivable to drive. You know that MR spins easily when you lose it, it's even worse with RR. So imagine the old pre-996 model 911.

Oh, and it's cheaper.

[EK4R]

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[2002 TeGgY]

this kinda offtopic, but has anyone ever done a K20 swap into one of those MG roadster? i hear they're really light and they're afordable...

[Maddog]

the boxter is only 15&#37; porsche

....Umm Are you for real????

[EL_DC5]

Yeah man Im for real Ithink its even less than that.
the 911's are like 85&#37; porsche. i saw it on a car show or a magazine

[Louis - Type S]

All really nice cars, but if i had the money i would get a Z4 M Coupe

[IZY-10]

Yeah man Im for real Ithink its even less than that.
the 911's are like 85% porsche. i saw it on a car show or a magazine

lol a porsche is a porsche no matter how much its costs or how fast it is!

[EL_DC5]

My point is that Porsche's are n=known for there quality etc. Hand crafted and Porsche engineered.

The Old 911 where almost entirely made by Porsche. where as the new Porsche out source there parts etc. and has completely sold out in the boxers as they are like 15% made by Porsche...


lol a porsche is a porsche no matter how much its costs or how fast it is!

[aaronng]

If the 987 model Boxster shares 30&#37; of parts with the 997 model 911, then how the hell can the Boxster be only 15%?

BTW, you must be dreaming about who makes parts, Porsche doesn't make 100% or even 80% of the parts that go into an old or new Porsche. The drive belts are 3rd party, the AC are third party and the rotors are 3rd party. The suspension is made by Bilstein and HECK, the damn transmission is Aisin (Japanese!).

[EL_DC5]

It was an article on a Magazine I read im sure it was motor,

Said something in the lines of the 997 being 65% porsche and the boxster being 15% and the Boxster S alittle higher. But it was over a year ago, it could be 35% not 15 but its Just a sort of rating that they give. It may be that the out sourced parts are better than the one manufactured by Porsche ...

If the 987 model Boxster shares 30% of parts with the 997 model 911, then how the hell can the Boxster be only 15%?

BTW, you must be dreaming about who makes parts, Porsche doesn't make 100% or even 80% of the parts that go into an old or new Porsche. The drive belts are 3rd party, the AC are third party and the rotors are 3rd party. The suspension is made by Bilstein and HECK, the damn transmission is Aisin (Japanese!).

[aaronng]

It is economically unfeasible for a car manufacture to manufacture close to 100&#37; of their own parts. Think about it, imagine the number of different engineers that they would have to hire and how many additional separate factories they would require. They would have to be located in different locations some processes like brake rotor casting can't be near another section which does temperature sensitive assembly/components.

The only company that does all their own manufacturing is Ferrari, and they have the appropriate price tag to accompany that.

[aaronng]

Oh, and I don't trust Motor magazine. :p

[Maddog]

the boxter is only 15% porsche

If thats the case, then s2000 must be 1% japanese, since all the parts are from china, taiwan

[JDM.Power]

boxster for me, but
id rather buy a r34 gtr with that money, you can get them around 50-60k nows with good kms and perfect condition.

[0098]

if i had a choice i wouldnt get the s2000 put it that way

[aaronng]

If thats the case, then s2000 must be 1% japanese, since all the parts are from china, taiwan

False.

[aaronng]

if i had a choice i wouldnt get the s2000 put it that way

Same here. I'd pick up a 2000 Boxster S for $60k

[sretocz]

Why just the three cars? Id take the GTR over any of the cars you are looking at. RB26=winner However if i had to choose, I personally would knock that Porsche of the list it would be either the Z4 or S2000, most probably the S2000 since i think it has the best shape. None of those cars are exceptional for the price you pay for em.

[IZY-10]

Just watching season 9 of top gear and it was interesting that they held a survey for the viewers to see which car they are most happy (50,000 voted) with and what do you know. Honda s2000 at number 1 again, the z4 came in 62, while the porsche boxter came in 43. I found it ironic that they brought up these three cars. Its episode 5 btw if anyone wants to know

[aaronng]

People in UK pay a lot more taxes for cars which generate high levels of CO2. That means high capacity engines are taxed higher. Also, many of the average rich man/woman who owns a Porsche wouldn't waste their time on a Top Gear survey.

Do you know if the survey rank is calculated based on # of votes or based on # of votes of happy owners vs total # of owners with that particular car?

[IZY-10]

People in UK pay a lot more taxes for cars which generate high levels of CO2. That means high capacity engines are taxed higher. Also, many of the average rich man/woman who owns a Porsche wouldn't waste their time on a Top Gear survey.

Do you know if the survey rank is calculated based on # of votes or based on # of votes of happy owners vs total # of owners with that particular car?

i think it was votes on how happy they are with the car or unhappy. So they sent in what they liked about it and what they didn't. S2000 has been number one in there survey for two years straight. Top gear is the UK top rating show so im sure there are wide variety of people that vote

[connections]

porsche boxter

[WhiteAP1]

Just watching season 9 of top gear and it was interesting that they held a survey for the viewers to see which car they are most happy (50,000 voted) with and what do you know. Honda s2000 at number 1 again, the z4 came in 62, while the porsche boxter came in 43. I found it ironic that they brought up these three cars. Its episode 5 btw if anyone wants to know

I remember a couple of months ago, a member of the british S2ki forum posted a link up for an internet survey very similar to this one and encouraged the rest of us to vote. At the end of the voting period , surprise surprise, the s2000 was on top. Like any survey they can be bias or manipulated.

End of the day who really gives a shit. Some ppl like oranges others like apples, its that simple. Threads like this are really, really useless.

[ludecrs]

Welcome to OzHonda.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

^^hahaha these threads appear once every month, and we always see the same replies lol

s2000 is a great car to buy second hand. i wouldnt buy a brand new one.

[nvmee]

who in their right mind would choose a s2k over Porsche. z4s are not exactly good looking but wateva makes u happy... Porsche is sexy ^^ but u also carry a image of being a rich mother fvker which i dont like cos it doesnt suit me :P

s2k = pfft lol
z4s are ok.....not my style

[ludecrs]

Have you driven a Boxster?

Boxster = pfft lol*fixed.

Boxster S is about the only comparision.

[Andw0o]

lol would you rather be rich in a rich community? or rich in a poor community?
lol personally id go s2000. mainly because in its class its one of the top guns.
where as alot of the fellow ozhonda peeps. know boxter = poor mans porche.
ahahah

[nvmee]

yeh i know its a poor mans porsche. but its still a porsche =)

i can say k24 civic eg ....but its still a civic doesnt matter how much money u put into it

[ludecrs]

yeh i know its a poor mans porsche. but its still a porsche =)

i can say k24 civic eg ....but its still a civic doesnt matter how much money u put into it

Much like the new Type R's...... $40K+ insure & on road fees! Honda can go **** themselves. $43K for a badge that says Civic is just beyond rediculous.

[ROLLED]

S2000 only because it's rarer! Especially in Melbourne!

[CRXONE]

This is such a ghey debate. S2K for value for money, the other two are more expensive 2nd hand.

[nvmee]

**** dat man....get a r1 ..... hheheheheh i think im getting addicted to bikes now.

[WhiteAP1]

Jet powered bar stool FTW!

[CRXONE]

Yeah bikes are awesome during the summer months. I've got an RS250
2-stroke Aprilia and it is so SO much fkn fun I take on 600cc bikes all the time =-)

[ProDriver]

s2k wins hands down, the z4 has one ugly looking front and the boxster is not a real porsche. imho!

[ShAwNeX]

Straight away the BMW is out (no particular reason).

My choise would be between the S2000 and the boxter.

Personally I'd go for the Boxter becase it is a Porsche after all. The S2000 may be more powerful (correct me if i'm wrong) but think of it this way. The honda is the top model, while the boxter is the lowest model and yet its abilities are almost equivalent. Also, haven't you always wanted to drive a German sports car? And finally as u said, it's more stylish.

But on another aspect, the porsche would cost a lot more to run.

[ShAwNeX]

s2k wins hands down, the z4 has one ugly looking front and the boxster is not a real porsche. imho!

I'll have a boxster any day. Even if it isn't a real porsche.

[ShAwNeX]

Yeah man Im for real Ithink its even less than that.
the 911's are like 85&#37; porsche. i saw it on a car show or a magazine

What do u mean by 15% and 85%? In terms of parts or design or what aspect? If your talking about out sourcing parts then they should have stringent quality control standards. So from my point of view not much difference.

[FN2TypeR]

S2000 for raw fun!

Z4 or Boxter? Neither. SLK is way better!!

[nvmee]

slks = HAWT

[StrawberryFace]

s2000 = poor mans boxster.

[WhiteAP1]

s2000 = poor mans boxster.

Well since you put that way, you must be right:(

[weezer]

s2000 = poor mans boxster.

S2000 = rich mans mx5 LOL

[.::F[L]Y::.]

S2000 = rich mans mx5 LOL

LOL

i have always thought the s2k was based on some of the mx5 design. Except honda made it better

[aaronng]

S2k looks too mean to be compared to an MX-5. I'd still pick the S2k over the MX-5 even if it came with a piss weak engine (say an underpowered 120kW).

[aus91integra]

i hate it when ppl at work call my s2k a mazda.. damn noobs... hahahaha

[nvmee]

lol !

[.::F[L]Y::.]

got pulled over once. and the cop called my s2000 an mx5 lol

[Perry]

S2k looks too mean to be compared to an MX-5. I'd still pick the S2k over the MX-5 even if it came with a piss weak engine (say an underpowered 120kW).


how come is it due to the looks or the over all 50/50 weight distribution and other factors?

[aaronng]

how come is it due to the looks or the over all 50/50 weight distribution and other factors?
Looks, interior, handling and also "wow factor". My housemate has an NB MX-5 and it's pretty low-key. It is easy to drive though.