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Mr. Focus
04-08-2004, 03:48 PM
does anyone know of anyone who does turbo manifolds for the d16a8, in a gen II crx. i'd search locally but i've heard too many bad stories. our performance guys aint too good around here. cheers

MR-VTEC
04-08-2004, 07:16 PM
so whats it gonna be mick are you going turbo or b18c conversion. imo ur gonna need both to keep wit me in 6 months. lol. just kidding.

Weq
05-08-2004, 01:49 AM
a greddy manifold isnt the best design, but its pretty compact! u gotta consider internal/external wastegate? also downpipe size n stuff. im sure plenty of guys in the us run HF mani's on crx's without problems. if u want, meansure the room u got betweeen the block and radiator, and i'll compare with my setup.

TODA AU
05-08-2004, 12:56 PM
I usually use the HKS manifold when using a small T25~T28 Garrett style turbocharger...
You'd be looking at approx $800~$900 for one of these...
Fitment is better than AVO as turbo is further from AC compressor.
Cheers

Adrian

Mr. Focus
09-08-2004, 12:58 PM
nice. i've got a t28 already to jam in there. i've noticed there isnt much room either so will i have to remove the a/c?? where could i get the hks 1 from. i emailed them but they never got back to me

TODA AU
09-08-2004, 06:17 PM
BD4's are the HKS dealers...
Try them 1st... (02) 98793322

If you get stuck, send me an email & I'll get one for you.
You won't need to remove the AC if you've got a good fabricator to make the dump pipe... Both Dyno Dave & myself have done this before with this sort of set-up and I'm sure a few others have too.

As a side note,
Re AVO manifold, depending on which T28 you've got, there is an AVO cast steel dump that will clear the AC compressor.
Cheers

Adrian

VTi-RT
09-08-2004, 06:30 PM
Have you asked someone to custom make you one?

For $800-$900.00 I'm sure someone will make you one.

TODA AU
10-08-2004, 07:10 AM
LOL... Yeah...
Having made loads of manifold before,
I can tell you a $800 fabricated one is probably not going to be better than a $800 cast HKS item...
In fact, I go so far as to say, it's probable the fabricated one will be nothing more than ugly junk...
You get what you pay for...

MR-VTEC
10-08-2004, 07:59 AM
how much do you think a good custom one would be? are there any good ones out there to fit a t28 to a b16a in a del sol? if so how much?

Mr. Focus
10-08-2004, 01:52 PM
cheers TODA. i need all the help i can get

thinkin of bbostin now richo. dont want to be hammered by a 'd'??? lol

higgo_69
10-08-2004, 06:51 PM
Turbo ya mum and shed get ya raceing
I think you should mmmmmmmmm. LOWER YOUR CAR.
NEW NAME FOR MR FOCUS....... MR. FOURBY

PhatMirage
10-08-2004, 10:09 PM
how much do you think a good custom one would be? are there any good ones out there to fit a t28 to a b16a in a del sol? if so how much?

And how about one to put a GT28R into a del sol?

MR-VTEC
11-08-2004, 07:24 AM
cheers TODA. i need all the help i can get

thinkin of bbostin now richo. dont want to be hammered by a 'd'??? lol

lol. :D

TODA AU
11-08-2004, 07:33 AM
Price varies with quality for custome manifolds...
Some people pay over $2.5K... Other don't..

Re: B16A
Same price for a cast item to suit that too...
Looks almost the same etc...
Can fit upto 2835 with a few other trick...
Use a TRUST T517Z or T518Z instead though... (T28 flange)
Better response & better power output than over-rated GT turbo's...
GTRS in particular... LOL
Plus, being rebuildable is a good thing if something goes wrong.
No water cooling is also 1 less thing to go wrong.... & less load on the cooling system. Btw, water cooling line are one thing that will fail regularly on a turbo honda if not done well...

Mr. Focus
11-08-2004, 08:43 AM
Turbo ya mum and shed get ya raceing
I think you should mmmmmmmmm. LOWER YOUR CAR.
NEW NAME FOR MR FOCUS....... MR. FOURBY

cheers dude. u know where the loves at! :lol: its all comin in time. hopefully before the next twistie run

PhatMirage
11-08-2004, 12:36 PM
GTRS in particular... LOL

Hahaha thanks for the input. By the way, i didn't say GT28RS - i said GT28R. The disco potato is a little big for a B16A i'm guessing :P

TODA AU
11-08-2004, 07:08 PM
Too small actually...
400hp turbo ~ 450hp turbo is what you need...
No lag, great power everywhere...
Too small = no topend & too much heat...

Exellent turbo for stock B16A bolt on is either T518Z or GT2835
I'd go the trust item for simplicity & lack of water lines...
If you must use a BB turbo, a 400hp GT works a treat.

PhatMirage
11-08-2004, 09:09 PM
Exellent turbo for stock B16A bolt on is either T518Z or GT2835
I'd go the trust item for simplicity & lack of water lines...
If you must use a BB turbo, a 400hp GT works a treat.

What? Would those turbos even spool on on stock B16A? Those are way too big :shock:

TODA AU
11-08-2004, 09:58 PM
Exellent turbo for stock B16A bolt on is either T518Z or GT2835
I'd go the trust item for simplicity & lack of water lines...
If you must use a BB turbo, a 400hp GT works a treat.

What? Would those turbos even spool on on stock B16A? Those are way too big :shock:

No they're not too small at all...
Vtec turbo's need bigger turbo's than comaparable capacity non Vtec engines... Also, don't forget, high compression warrants the use of a bigger turbo to reduce heat buildup...
FWIW...
A GT2835 will deliver a 3500rpm boost threashold... (wastegate opens)
Peak power @ 8000rpm (stock cams)
Add an HKS head gasket & you're looking at 180kw @ the wheels, stock engine, & a few other bits (ECU, intercooler, fuel system etc).... All day....
The same turbo or similar can punch out 280kw to the from wheels with internals done... (Optimax fuel)

pornstar
11-08-2004, 10:03 PM
lol Discpotato, someones been reading the almighty US forums me thinks!

PhatMirage
11-08-2004, 10:08 PM
lol Discpotato, someones been reading the almighty US forums me thinks!

Lol! Even Garrett call it that in their catalouge now :P

Weq
12-08-2004, 02:29 AM
discopotoato becuase on the garret show car they were made for, coloured in funky styles.

anyways, just grab a t3/t4. sure it aint BB, but it will do the job and give u good topend. half the price no doubt!

TODA AU
12-08-2004, 07:33 AM
T3/T4 works, can be a bit of an ugly dunger set-up though...
Strange how this turbo style is accepted yet a T518Z or 2835 is though to be too big... Even though you make more grunt with a late model turbo over an old design unit.

MR-VTEC
13-08-2004, 08:05 AM
how much you lookin at paying for a GT2835?????????????

Weq
13-08-2004, 12:45 PM
from 3 mins of google & comparising 4 online stores, u wont be looking at any change from $2350USD == $3010AUD at todays exchange rates.

MR-VTEC
14-08-2004, 03:13 PM
screw that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what do you recomend weq? can you include price to please. cheers.

Weq
14-08-2004, 07:00 PM
lol, i knewd u run. i dont recommend anything, im no expect. browse some forums which DIY boosted b16's hang on (hondatech, homemade turbo) and chek out thier setups and thier power goals.. most low budget peoples will use some sort of t3/t4 hybrid which go for under 1k.

MR-VTEC
14-08-2004, 08:39 PM
lol. yeah $3000 wouldn't you run. haha. well anyway yeah sounds like that'll be the go i'll do some more research while i get the funds. should be going ahead in about three months and plan to get everything running smooth within six months.

PhatSol
15-08-2004, 09:15 PM
Hey Toda AU, what AR would you suggest for the GT2835?

TODA AU
16-08-2004, 12:34 PM
.89 - Rear...
Email me if you want one shipped direct... ;)

PhatSol
17-08-2004, 08:13 PM
What is the largest dump you can use with a GT2835 on a HKS manifold without loosing the A/C?

Mr. Focus
18-08-2004, 05:04 PM
ok. i rang a guy in adelaide today an he quoted me $880 to make up a stainless steel manifold to fit a t28. does this sound fair???

Weq
18-08-2004, 06:12 PM
was it equal length? stainless steel?
google b16 manifolds and u will get the prices on off the shelf items. compare it to ur quote!

TODA AU
18-08-2004, 07:55 PM
What is the largest dump you can use with a GT2835 on a HKS manifold without loosing the A/C?

A kinda squashed 3" dump... or there abouts...
Seperate wastegate & turbine pipes fits better

PhatSol
18-08-2004, 09:01 PM
A kinda squashed 3" dump... or there abouts...
Seperate wastegate & turbine pipes fits better

You mean seperate wastegate and turbine pipes even though the turbo is internally gated?

Weq
19-08-2004, 12:38 AM
http://members.optusnet.com.au/loxy/manifold.jpg

ive always been a fan of this manifold. it was custom made equal length, t28 hanging off the bottom. 3" ehxaust. Looks like it will clear the aircon easy, slimline fan required max.

U get other problems with 3" exhausts though on our hondas. They can get in the way of bolts around the tranny and pan, and also interfer with swaybars.

pornstar
19-08-2004, 12:57 AM
no offense but that setup looks like shit

Mr. Focus
19-08-2004, 02:00 PM
not too sure weq. i'm only lookin at a 2 1/2" exhaust anyways. i hope it does clesr the a/c, but im lookin at gettin pulled out anyways. i do like the look of that manifold tho

Weq
19-08-2004, 05:35 PM
no offense but that setup looks like shit

whats so bad about it prono?

pornstar
19-08-2004, 06:27 PM
look at the support parts that get affected due to the way its mounted man. thats one. secondly, u said its equal length, but for that to be equal, from the pic, cylinder 3 and 4 primaries would be about 5 cms down before up, i dont see it proerply, but if thats the case, how well would the flow be from all 4 of the exhaust [primaries merging into the collector work well?

in many ways man, the equal length etc etc, all really useless unless ur chasing 2 kws extra at 10k rpms, theres heaps of better ways of getting power that dont compromise the other componnents around it. hope that helps bro

bird
26-09-2004, 08:02 PM
theres a guy at midas strathpine that makes manifolds to suit any car, he really knows what his talking about, he did my exhaust and dump pipe for my civic. reasonbly cheap 2

Mr. Focus
27-09-2004, 09:38 AM
strathpine hey! thats only down the road, kinda. how much???