Your Thoughts about "Crower"...........cams,ect.

[VTI-RRR]

i was looking around for some cams and gears as my next mods and FOUND CROWER (good find?) but have not seen or heard of enybody using this brand........what do you guys think i should go for it a be 1 of the first to use em or go with something that i now would get results (good low prices and a big company)..........................

***** http://www.crower.com/cat/import/honda/cams/b_vtec.shtml *****

stage 2 or stage 3???

thanks

[eg92b16a]

A few people on these forums have crower cams. Jimmy's turbo EG has them.
All depends on what you want to achieve.

Stage 2 specs look good and will probably be fairly easy to tune with basic mods done.

Stage 3 looks wild, probably looking at serious engine work/head work to take full advantage of these baby's, and tuning would take longer.

Have you thought about Buddyclub cams? Ask Dyno DAve

[Mr_will]

there is no plural of 'you'. 'yous' is not a word.
neither is 'enybody'.

if you want people to take you seriously, learn to spell.

[VTI-RRR]

thanks for the spelling tip but i was asking about the cams...........

[ProECU]

crower are known to crack/break and this applies to their new castings also.

crower make good cams for the old hotrod crowd, but their import stuff has been tarnished with bad press..

[grumpy rooster]

Are you talking about Crower or Brian Crower?

[ProECU]

http://www.crower.com/cat/import/honda/cams/b_vtec.shtml

[grumpy rooster]

Thats cool. I just know that a lot of people mix the 2 up.

[big tone]

so whats the diff?

[grumpy rooster]

Brian Crower (http://www.braincrower.com/)

Crower (http://www.crower.com/)

2 different companies. READ HERE ABOUT BRIAN CROWER (http://www.braincrower.com/about.shtml).

[ProECU]

I bet you money the cams are the same pieces anyway.

[SHW.70Y]

have a look at wade cams, camtech etc i considered getting cams from them but in the end i decided for my application i rather use a brand that has been tried and tested and ended up with tomei cams.

[Hipowerracing]

i think brian crower actually started crower.. and split up...
something like motec/autronic..
please advice me if im wrong...(thats what i heard...)
i heard they crack or break too..

i use JUN camshafts type 3 and i have proven their goodness in both track and drag..
type 3 cams are actually very drivable if set properly... ask rob... haha..

according to mr tanaka.. JUN is developing the world's first lightweight camshafts with a totally different design (i can't tell too much... but i have seen the proto-type) and soon you will see alot of other companies producing(or copy as i would say) their's...
but do watch out for those JUN lightweight camshafts in the future...

due to economical reasons (profit making) most engine parts are made in Taiwan/China, and QC in Taiwan or China with a japanese company representative.
However my advice is try to buy camshafts that are Japanese brands made in japan... not all Japanese brands made in China or taiwan... do the research and you'll find out which companies im refering too..

[SlobberGoat]

What dont you just tell us which one's are still made-in-japan Hipower?
(because finding that type of information would be difficult as companies don't like to disclose manufacturer sources incase you try to go directly to them)

[grumpy rooster]

So effectively your saying that American brands like Skunk2, Crower, Brian Crower, SRP, Wiseco etc are crap? Thats a pretty big call. Some of them may have had some issues in the past but to say only Jap stuff is good is a bit over the top. Especially considering the really powerful cars are in the US so the brands mentioned above undergo rigorous testing to cope with the power they are subjected to. :)

[ZeForce]

"JDM" brands are overpriced

[Hipowerracing]

So effectively your saying that American brands like Skunk2, Crower, Brian Crower, SRP, Wiseco etc are crap? Thats a pretty big call. Some of them may have had some issues in the past but to say only Jap stuff is good is a bit over the top. Especially considering the really powerful cars are in the US so the brands mentioned above undergo rigorous testing to cope with the power they are subjected to. :)

grumpy...

american motors are quick in drag, but in circuit they are not build to last..
in america the budget for drag is very big.. each engine is made to run 1~2 runs before they are being replace by another one.. (lisa kubos engine for example). yes they might berunning crower, skunk2, BC, cp pistons.. but those parts are made to last only 2~3 runs on hi-horsepower before the engine cracks in two.. the blocks ususally goes before the components..

while japanese parts are not so much HP minded but they are used to run 25 laps, or endurance races... thats the difference.

however price is a really big issue here.. for a street car i think $ to quality ratio is very important...
so i think Cheaper Camshafts and Pistons do have a martket too... and are value for money.. bang for buck...

okay example if i were to give you 2 pistons to choose from for Christmas for Free....JUN/COSWORTH OR Arias?? which would you choose??

everybody would chose COSWORTH right?? at least most will...ask yourself WHY???

btw COSWORTH IS UK used in F1 racing... not japanese... :o

we have to use the best of both worlds to make thebest machine we can.. example america is good with their drag setup... so we can get some knowledge from them... but i think engine building we should stick with the japanese for something that will last longer...

example CP pistons.. makes the fastest honda' out there...(in america)
lightweight, forged ... however compared to JUN/Cosworth
1)JUN/COSWORTH has OIL galleriee/oil cambers to allow even cooling.
cp does not have because in drag there is not enough time for the pistons to heat up and american drag engines d not run for a long time so not so important.
2)JUN/COSWORTH has more crown depth (more meat) before piston rings then CP..
light weight design on CP which gives higher/quicker revs
3)JUN/COSWORTH got special Patented scoring around piston to ensure compression lock (dont know what they are called)
4)JUN/COSWORTH is balanced... each piston has a number scratch on them (same on stroker kit)

however
CP = $690 with rings
JUN = $1800 with rings

do you know with CP pistons for some engines you are advice to rebuild your engine after every run.. espcially with their drag motorcycle pistons...

JUN gets Cosworth to make their pistons... i think anyone with a big enough budget can get cosworth to make any pistons they want...

i dont think Japan has got the best parts (at least cosworth in the UK has)... australia has got the best tranny holinger... america's got the best drag tyres... etc... we got to use the best of every part of the world to build the a car...

talking to mr tanaka and koyama from jun .. i know a fact that Crower's cams are a replica's of jun.. check the duration and lift out... but hey they are so cheap.. and if they last then they are good.. but if they got a reputation of breaking... then what does that tell you???
http://image-cache.boostcruising.com/database/genthumbs/720/960/journal/files/post-62045-1189098449386716876.jpg

[grumpy rooster]

I don't agree with that. :)

[SLOWEGG]

So you are saying, use japanese parts for circuit and US for drags? and US parts only last 2-3runs?

[Hipowerracing]

i dont mean they only last 2~3 runs...
i mean they are based on engines that are only use to run 2~3 runs.

however USparts for drag is excellent...

however thats my 2 cent's worth.. and everyone is entitled for their on view...
but jimmy why did Jerome pull his Wiseco pistons out to use JUN's??
ask JOHN why??

[mrfsport]

i also dont agree with hi-power racing, would dyno dave like to add to this debate.

[Hipowerracing]

yes im being bias...

but hey, i used CP pistons in some of my engines too... they are great for the value you pay for them...

but everybody knows cosworth shits all Over CP... if you dont think so then there is nothing i can say...

no point going on arguing.. because we'll have parties loyal to both brands. im just giving my point (bias or not bias), to help they guy who starts the tread. i have seen Crower retainers from their camshaft kit crack.. with my own eyes... and other users example ProECu has also the same experience with their camshafts cracking or at least heard they do...
so we are sharing our experience or confirming that there might be a problem.

this tread is not a JUN is better than Crower tread, OR japanese parts is better than american PArts how it got to become it im not sure...

end of the day if you believe that american parts are good? im with you too... (look at darton sleeves they are good). so it's not a matter if american parts are good anot; it's an arguement that american honda engines are developed based on DRAGs... not Circuit.

however a circuit engine can always do drag.. but a drag engine might not be able to withstand circuit conditions.

but end of the day it dosent matter what i say ... but like i say agian which pistons would you have for free?? "same spec" COSWORTH or CP???
which camshaft kit would you have "same spec" JUN or CROWER??? and why??

be honest you know the answer...

[todaek9]

stay std or go crazy...choose one...hahaha..