Why should i get an Integra?

[Daynesy]

Hey everyone.

Im thinking about buy a manual 94 Integra GSi (some comments below were reference to different model :S, ignore them :)) by the end of the year, December-January. :p

Why should i buy one? What are the good things, the bad things, the ugly thing? Information on how easy/difficult they can be tuned, whats some good tune points on it, approximate 0-100 / Quarter mile... ect

Remember what your guys are saying could or could not make me get one, probably will no matter what, just want a second opinion :D
No pressure.

Thanks everyone,
Chris

[Kazaf]

Why not get a DC2? The LS models are pretty old now.
Most old cars would have issues here or there.
EG. Rust, panels, mechanical (due to high mileage).
And I dont know if they have a 94' LS?

[yourfather]

94 tegs are DC2's

[teaseR]

94 tegs are DC2's

or dc4.............

[yourfather]

same ****en shit just with a number

[johnprocter]

just curious what are the 0-100 for stock DC5 type R?

[Daynesy]

Please read my questions and comment upon those. I want to know :)
Yes there are 94 LS's, so i believe anyway, and i cant afford much better.

It will only be my second car.

[yourfather]

just curious what are the 0-100 for stock DC5 type R?

redbook.com.au

dude, DA9 is not what you want. if you need a car that bad, get one. but if you can avoid it, save for a while

[AE86BOI]

well I bought a late 1993 DC4, the first of the twin headlight shape I believe, the LS is the slightly older model (DA9).

Anyway, apart from being a little slow for my taste, its a good fun, reliable car. just over 100kw, quite quick on the corners at the local track. Has tight steering like a go-kart and has more creature comforts than most cars its size.

I saw a video on the austeg website of a guy running 15's with a near stock dc4 on the 1/4 mile, however, IMO you'd get more of a kick out of heel 'n' toeing a few tight bends, then pulling 2nd gear out.

Sorry for the long post, hope that in someway helps.

[Daynesy]

Hmmmm i may actually be asking about a wrong model here :S.

Is the 94 LS the "bug eyes"?

If not, please inform me of the type it is, believe its the non V-tec, and ill edit my first post.

Thanx

[yourfather]

ok you're after the DC4 GSi

[AE86BOI]

yes the DC4 is the gsi (the car I was referring to). I forgot to mention, if you can afford, spare a little extra cash and go for the DC2 (VTEC version), if not hunt around and you'll be able to pick up a dc4 for a good price, they are pretty cheap these days.

[Daynesy]

:S embaressing, ill change it.

[johnprocter]

anyone.. DC5R 0-100 time?

[mugga]

7.2sec, could be wrong.

[Daynesy]

dude just make a post in the noob forum, thats prob where that question should be.

concentrating on my post :S

[locote]

I ran 15.1 on the 1/4 mile with my GSi

[aydo]

if you can afford a gsi, save for a little longer and grab a dc2 (vtir) rather than the dc4 (gsi). if you look on carsales.com.au people are asking too much for their dc4s, so you might as well pick up a dc2 for a little extra, plus its a difference in about 25 kw. and you'll sleep better at night knowing you have a b18c2 sittin outside

[Daynesy]

u guys wanna gimme extra? :P

closer to when i want one, ill ask everyone to keep a lookout on some integras for me, and yes i would sleep better with the vtir.

you pursuading me, id be much hapier to be honest. lol

[shadou]

go take a drive in a VTI-R integra and then in a GSI, hammer both to the redline and you'll soon find you're answer.

[T-onedc2]

There's a couple decent pre-facelift VTi-R's on carsales.com in NSW, whereabouts you located?

[Daynesy]

i knowwww i knowwww. when i think of it now, i would prob spend money on upgrading it, but that money could just be towards the Vtec, makes sense?

but more of the Vtecs ive seen have like 180 000kms on them. :S

Im in WA

[T-onedc2]

you're in luck, look here.

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/HONDA/INTEGRA/private-results.aspx?N=4294965322+83+391+410+4294965105&State=Western%20Australia&distance=25&Make=HONDA&PriceMax=15000&Model=INTEGRA&PriceMin=10000&state_id=83

Light mods to both, the '96 model looks like the better buy tho.

[Daynesy]

im not in luck, because i wont have the money until like december-january :S

and thats 13 grand :|

im looking at under 10 definately!

thanx for looking anyway

[GARF]

Under 10 grand...hhmmm yeah maybe GSI is your model then. Or a really cheap condition Vti-R.

[b4dnuf]

Dude save a bit more and get the VTIR.
GSI and VTIR or DC4 and DC2 are pretty much the same as in shape and most other parts except for the engine - DC2 has B18C2 and you'll love it.
You might be able to find a VTIR for about 13 grand and if ur good enough you might even get it for 12 or maybe less.

[onlykillzz]

i have a gsi and i got it cheap but now im looking at performance and i can ether turbo it or get a b18c and do it up so even if you have to wait out a little try and get the vtir. also you get an airbag in the vtir and fat five's

[Integra21]

i was going for my first car under 10 grand knowing i couldn't afford a type R :( (i will one day) and i haggled and got a 98 dc4 only hit 84000Km and in perfect condition AND it had a year rego for 8 grand!!!!! it aint no vtec but its still good lol but i had to wait a while to the right one came up cant rush it....

[Integra21]

yeah if you can wait save for the vtir, i needed a car so i got what ever i could afford, were as u have a car already so u aint in no rush.

[dc2dc2dc2]

Honda > Hyundai

Need i say more, how can u go wrong.

[rikstar]

Honda > Hyundai

Need i say more, how can u go wrong.

Haha. Good call!

Save up and get a VTi-R, you won't regret it. Good luck!

[wlan-11g]

My suggestion would be to get a pre-face dc4, they are a good 2-4k's cheaper than the vti-r's. Generally, gsi's r kept in better condition than cheap vti-rs (the 8k-11k ones). Once you got the funds and if you wanna keep the car down the track, then turbo it b18b-T. That's what i'd do.

[Daynesy]

My suggestion would be to get a pre-face dc4, they are a good 2-4k's cheaper than the vti-r's. Generally, gsi's r kept in better condition than cheap vti-rs (the 8k-11k ones). Once you got the funds and if you wanna keep the car down the track, then turbo it b18b-T. That's what i'd do.

Yeah well im only going to be 17, i cant afford the extra 3 grand on a $250 a week budget. If i could find a Vtir cheap with lots of kms, if woulda been driven to the Vtecs capabilities in most cases, therefore i can run into big problems. Where as the GSi wouldn't have, in most cases. If i want to i can turbo it later on down the track. :) Therefore yes i agree with that.



Honda > Hyundai

Need i say more, how can u go wrong.

All i can say is dont underestimate the Hyundais in the near future. Not everything revolves around having a Vtec engine, just remember that.

[Q_ball]

Under 10k, get a GSi mate..
Theyre not as bad as some ppl make em out to be - and DC2's are DEFINITELY NOT what theyre made out to be by some ppl.

Dont forget that buying a car is one thing - maintaining it and insuring it is another.
Alot of insurance companies will up your premium drastically due to 2 reasons,

a) your age,
b) you drive a 2 door "sports car" with DOHC VTEC.

Youre young man, buy this as a run around and get better as a driver.
Once you have more money and more confident behind the wheel, then get something better or look at mods :)

[Daynesy]

Thanks Q ball. Not everything is about getting the better version of a car. You could say the same thing about the DC2 and getting a type r. Why didn't you people save a little more for that version. If we buy the best version of Integra for example, why would they make the GSi =P. Oh well, yes i do have to insure my car, and yes as much as i hate to say it, i do need more experience with cars. Upgrading power over time is the best way to do that, to me.

Thanks

[connections]

I got a DC4 they are decent cars but yeah only like 100kw ...

I really need that VTEC kick im missing out on..but great to cruise around in good on fuel, good on looks and greta on handeling.

but yer I dont want to upgrade to a DC2 lol I want a Type R or a s15

[connections]

i have a gsi and i got it cheap but now im looking at performance and i can ether turbo it or get a b18c and do it up so even if you have to wait out a little try and get the vtir. also you get an airbag in the vtir and fat five's

I got a airbag and fat fives on my 97 GsI lol...

[Stoosh]

From a person who has owned both a DC4 and a DC2, the difference in power between them isnt that dramatic..

I can barely feel the difference between my two cars until you hit 6000RPM and even then, the change is fairly minimal.

If your in sydney around my area, give me a call and ill give you a trash around in a DC4, then go drive a DC2.. and tell me the difference

[Daynesy]

shall i fly over from WA? haha thanks anyway. I figure that the amount of money i'd have to pay, extra, to get a decent Vtir with around the same km's as the Gsi, about 3-5 grand more, i could make the Gsi "faster/better" than the Vtir anyway...

Just spend bits and pieces here and there.

[connections]

do some mods to a GSI and it will feel better

SRI + headers and exhuast for like 300-400

then throw on some parts and your basically sitting with a stock dc2

but for 4 g's less..

[Daynesy]

Yes ill be going for the full exhaust system, extractors to the tip. This will cost more, but it is best not to do parts than to do the whole gas exit system.

I thought, a mandrel bent exhaust, costs around $600 or something. So looking at like a grand for those mods, which is still 3-4g's less than the Vtir?

[connections]

Yes ill be going for the full exhaust system, extractors to the tip. This will cost more, but it is best not to do parts than to do the whole gas exit system.

I thought, a mandrel bent exhaust, costs around $600 or something. So looking at like a grand for those mods, which is still 3-4g's less than the Vtir?

dunno dude u can get lucky some times and pick up a secon hand (barley used) exhaust system for like 300 bucks

[Shraka]

I doubt you'll be able to get a GSI up to stock VTiR power with just some basic mods. Remember, these cars are packaged quite well from the factory. I've been up against a few DC2 VTiRs, and I'm yet to come across a non turbo that's faster than mine, and mine is bog stock. I haven't even changed the suspension or rims.

The VTiR is a great car, but so is the GSI. Really, the VTiR will have it all over a GSI on a track, but for normal day to day driving, how often do you even get to 6500rpm let alone go over it?

As for price, my Integra has not been cheap to maintain. It's a good quality car but don't stretch the budget to buy one. You'll need some money just in case something goes wrong. These cars aren't like Toyotas, you can't abuse the hell out of them and expect them to come back for more. Treat them right and they'll perform fantastically, and love you for it. Treat them badly and you'll get bad treatment right back.
If you can't afford a VTiR, get a GSI. It's still a great car, and you can sell it and buy a Type R later, or turbocharge the GSI if you like that kinda thing.

By the way the quality of a Honda (or at least a DC2) is WAY over something like a Hyundai. My mother used to have a '92 Excel, and my old crappy '92 Lancer was a MASSIVE step up from that in quality, ride, power, and comfort. And then my '94 DC2 was a MASSIVE step up from the old Lancer in every way possible. Although, I'll wager your Hyundai is nicer than mum's was, but still you get the picture. Honda > Mitsubishi (-EVO) > Hyundai

And those of you who are using DC2 in place of VTiR, you do know that the Type R is also a DC2 right?

[Daynesy]

Did i say anything about the old hyundais? Hyundais are solid, day to day driving cars. Mine has about 200 000kms, yet the mechanic says it sounds "awsome" mechanically. They last a long time.

I said the Hyundais in the near future are getting alot better performance wise, just like other companies. So i dont see how the quality of a Honda can be compared to non performance cars like most Hyundais. Im sure if Hyundai wanted to, they could create a great engine, if not better than Vtecs. The 2008 Tiburon will be great to see what they have come up with.

Your saying moding the Gsi with the money extra it would cost to buy a Vtir wouldn't make it better than the Vtir? Or just like exhaust system, intake, ect. ???

Bye

[Diablo6298]

And those of you who are using DC2 in place of VTiR, you do know that the Type R is also a DC2 right?

i think most people would refer to it as a DC2R =]

anyways you could always install a vtec head later on when you have the funds, they usually go for about $1500
i have a gsi only because it was in better condition then any vtir out there, its a 94 gsi and when i bought it about a year ago it had 135000kms on it and was in great condition.

insurance on both cars is pretty much the same, as the vtir has more safety features, like abs.

if you want performance dont get a n/a

[Shraka]

Did i say anything about the old hyundais? Hyundais are solid, day to day driving cars. Mine has about 200 000kms, yet the mechanic says it sounds "awsome" mechanically. They last a long time.

I said the Hyundais in the near future are getting alot better performance wise, just like other companies. So i dont see how the quality of a Honda can be compared to non performance cars like most Hyundais. Im sure if Hyundai wanted to, they could create a great engine, if not better than Vtecs. The 2008 Tiburon will be great to see what they have come up with.

Your saying moding the Gsi with the money extra it would cost to buy a Vtir wouldn't make it better than the Vtir? Or just like exhaust system, intake, ect. ???

Bye
I wasn't talking to your point about new Hyundais. And I don't think Hyundai could just come out with an engine better than a Honda engine. Honda has had a LONG time to get their stuff together. The B18C5 and C7 engines were fantastic and other companies are still having trouble developing engines that make as much power for the displacement and price even 10 years on.

And I'm saying exhaust, intake etc wont elevate it to the level of a stock VTiR. As for using the money you saved to make the GSI better... as long as you're sticking with N/A, I dunno about that either. I don't know enough about all the little differences between the two cars to accurately judge that.


i think most people would refer to it as a DC2R =]
The chassis code for a DC2 Type R is still DC2. I don't think it's DC2R, is it?


if you want performance dont get a n/a
Depends what kind of performance you're after really doesn't it? Are you saying Honda's don't have any performance? 'cuz last time I checked Honda only did Naturally Aspirated cars.

[Daynesy]

I bet i could make a Gsi better than a Gtir without turboing with 4 grand.

Seeings as Hyundai would have already done that... But ill look at that statement as a current Hyundai to a current Honda motor. Not all cars are performance. Honda make them, Hyundai are starting to make them. "Starting". Im pretty sure Honda would also have more money than Hyundai, as Honda branch off into many other categories aswell, compared to Hyundai that is.

Sorry i just hate people that bag out Hyundai's, as they are good little cars.

[Shraka]

I bet i could make a Gsi better than a Gtir without turboing with 4 grand.

Seeings as Hyundai would have already done that... But ill look at that statement as a current Hyundai to a current Honda motor. Not all cars are performance. Honda make them, Hyundai are starting to make them. "Starting". Im pretty sure Honda would also have more money than Hyundai, as Honda branch off into many other categories aswell, compared to Hyundai that is.

Sorry i just hate people that bag out Hyundai's, as they are good little cars.

Okay, well buy a GSI, fix it up and then come to Melbourne and we'll see how it goes against my VTiR. Only way to find out really.

Hyundai has made an 1.8ltr engine to beat the B18C7? And they've packaged it in a car as good as the DC2 Integra Type R? I doubt it somehow.

EDIT: Heh, I just looked up the brand new Tiburon with it's 2.7ltr V6 making a heady* (*= see: Not very good) 123kw and 245nm. That's 2kw less than a VTiR, and 24kw less than the B18C7 with 900ccs worth of extra displacement to play with! As for Torque/ltr, well lets do the math: 245/2.7=90nm/ltr vs. VTiR: 175/1.8=97nm/ltr and JDM Type R: 181/1.8=100nm/ltr. 14 years on, and with almost an extra LITER of displacement, they're still behind the b18C2 for power and torque/ltr, and nowhere near the now 10 year old B18C5/C7.

It also weighs in at a HEFTY 1409kg for the standard and, wait for it, 1770kg for the TS model! Giving it 87kw/ton and 173nm/ton for the standard, and 69kw/t and 138nm/t for the TS... vs the DC2 VTiR with 109kw/ton and 152nm/ton or the JDM Type R with 140kw/ton and 172nm/ton. Something about the package seems uninspiring.

I can't speak for new Hyundais build quality and comfort, and I'm by no means brand elitist, (okay perhaps just a little) but the one I had was tacky, uncomfortable (the seats ESPECIALLY so), noisy, and under powered compared to the Lancer I got later (which had the same displacement, was heavier, and was the same value as the Excel at the time) and nowhere near the DC2 VTiR, which was only 2 years newer.

As for "not all cars are performance", I was talking mostly about build quality, and I never said a Honda didn't have more money, and that their cars and parts weren't more expensive. I actually expressly stated that they ARE more expensive if you read my post.

EDIT: I do respect other performance cars, and manufacturers that make good quality cars in other areas. But from my experience, Hyundai's in the early 90s were cheap tacky crap.

This isn't all about me being blind to anything but Honda either. I'll give credit where it's due. There are lots of great Euro cars, but if I just focus closer to home, I love Toyota's reliability and they make some great engines (4A-GE, 3S-GTE and 2JZ-GTE to name to best). Nissan have lots of cheap power, and half decent basic setups, favoring the RWD setup, which I wish Honda had done (I like RWD, what can I say?) Subaru makes great cars and Mitsubishi, while making a lot of tacky cheap cars, also did a fantastic job on the Evolution. And even when Mitsubishi did cheap cars in the 90s, they did them better than Hyundai. Hell I'll even admit that the new Ford XR6 Turbo is quite a good car! And I usually don't like big Aussie cars at all. The TCS in it is fantastic, and that engine is a monster! A bit big for my taste, but still a great car.

Oh wow... that went on for a while. Sorry about the long post everyone! :)

[tct]

welcome to ozHONDA

[locote]

Shraka if u race my old GSi you would loose!!!
You been so confident that if he buys a GSi that you would chop him is just plain arrogance..

I had so many great races with vtec cars in my GSi!!!!
B18B makes 20kw less and same torque but the GSi is a lighter car

[Daynesy]

No offense, but:

a) im guessing you didn't read my post carefully enough, as i said they were starting to up the performance. Actually i said that twice.
b) so many Honda people wonder why other people bag them out, the majority are good, but there are bias people, hint hint, that could very well be contributing.
c) can we go back on topic, and let people express what they want, without being flamed?

BTW, they are phasing the Tib out by 2009 i believe, so why would they put hefty dollars into producing a machine?

Dont answer that question, just think about it.

Sorry for going off topic everyone.

[Shraka]

Shraka if u race my old GSi you would loose!!!
You been so confident that if he buys a GSi that you would chop him is just plain arrogance..

I had so many great races with vtec cars in my GSi!!!!
B18B makes 20kw less and same torque but the GSi is a lighter car
*shrug* Sure thing. I'd be happy to go down to the drag strip with ya but you're a bit far away. I see you have a 15.1 1/4 mile time in your GSI, that's not bad. I'll get back to you with my 1/4 time when I get one this spring. Do you have any 0-100 times? Last time I tried I was getting 7.3 seconds with a passenger. Send me a PM if you like.


No offense, but:

a) im guessing you didn't read my post carefully enough, as i said they were starting to up the performance. Actually i said that twice.
b) so many Honda people wonder why other people bag them out, the majority are good, but there are bias people, hint hint, that could very well be contributing.
c) can we go back on topic, and let people express what they want, without being flamed?

BTW, they are phasing the Tib out by 2009 i believe, so why would they put hefty dollars into producing a machine?
a) Yeah I did read your post. You said that they HAD created an engine to beat the B18C7. Proof? I'll change my mind about Hyundai when they come out with a car that I find worthy. I'm not going to sit here with baited breath until then though. Innocent until proven guilty, and they're innocent of creating good performance cars so far. ;) Honda is VERY guilty. :D

b) If you read my post rather than just getting all defensive, you'd see I'm not biased, I just have an opinion based on fact and observation. I'm quite happy for you to prove me wrong, and have invited you to do so when it comes to GSI's beating VTiRs. I also find it a little offensive that you're discarding the help I'm trying to give you because you don't like my attitude towards Hyundais. As I've said, don't over extend, Honda's are expensive, the GSI is pretty good anyway! You'd probably prefer the VTiR, but you can upgrade to a Type R later if you like! :)

c) I don't remember flaming you? I remember stating information as I see it and supplying as many facts to support my views as I could. You're the one who decided to take offense. I'm not attacking you, or your choice in current car. There are more factors than just comfort and ride quality when selecting a car, and your car is obviously NOT the same as my mothers old one (or my friends newer one, which is also about as uncomfortable as my mothers old one). I just know you'll find a DC2/DC4 a GREAT upgrade that's all. And yes, let's allow people to express themselves (ie. I'm expressing my opinion that Hyundai's aren't very good quality wise, and are even worse performance wise) without being flamed (by you).

As for the Tiburon being phased out, I don't see your point? All cars get phased out. Even the DC2 Type R was phased out eventually.

[locote]

I no longer have the car....
best time in my Gsi was 15.1@91mph. 0-100 times dont really prove much as they arent very accurate (unless done with a Gtech)

I know its not a fast time but ppl claiming that a GSI with I/H/E is a fast as a stock vtir is just plain wrong...

BTW my 1/4mile times and speeds are displayed in my sig...

[Daynesy]

And I don't think Hyundai could just come out with an engine better than a Honda engine.

Was referring to that comment, sorry.


they're innocent of creating good performance cars so far.

Thats what i said...


I also find it a little offensive that you're discarding the help I'm trying to give you because you don't like my attitude towards Hyundais.

I didn't discard your help, i appreciated the help you gave me, but there were things i didnt agree with. Thats what discussion forums are for, right? To discuss...


You'd probably prefer the VTiR, but you can upgrade to a Type R later if you like!

I'd actually prefer a Maclaren F1 :)


I just know you'll find a DC2/DC4 a GREAT upgrade that's all. And yes, let's allow people to express themselves (ie. I'm expressing my opinion that Hyundai's aren't very good quality wise, and are even worse performance wise) without being flamed (by you).

Yeah i cant wait to upgrade to an Integra, will be great fun to have a car i can spend a bit of money on without regretting it, for now. See i dont agree with the Hyundai quotes, your putting your word forward, im putting mine, so it doesnt really matter does it?

Cya

[Diablo6298]

The chassis code for a DC2 Type R is still DC2. I don't think it's DC2R, is it?

i said people would refer to it, not that it says on the chassis....

[Shraka]

i said people would refer to it, not that it says on the chassis....
Yeah I know.

[onlykillzz]

you now this is becoming a bitch fight and as what happens to all threads when an admin sees bitch fighting they are closed so shraka and locote get over it

p.s Daynesy if you afford a dc2 get one i find ridding in my mates dc2 sounds more refined and less clunky then my dc4 ether way they are both great cars and it all comes down to money and goal's good luck

[T-onedc2]

Man there's a lot of reading since I last checked here, lets keep it constructive and informative guys! :)

[dc2dc2dc2]

Hello.

Not once did i say hyundai was shit.

Its fact that Honda > Hyundai

And if you love your accent so much your probably better off keeping it. Far better quaility and build than a honda.

[Daynesy]

i dont think i was refering to you dc2dc2dc2. But yeah i agree.

And yeah onlykillzz, would if i could, maybe a DC4 now, then a few steps up to a Type R in a few years, as in like 4 or 5 :P, (when im working full time)

Cheers

[EKVTIR-T]

Just buy this

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i17/1776_8mg.jpg

[Q_ball]

Daynesy, get whatever car you want mate.
The integra forum has enough tech posts in there to help you decide whether the Integra is for you or not.

Asking for ppls opinions isnt gonna get you anywhere, as no one else knows ur financial situation but you.

This thread is closed.
If you want to ask more questions regarding integras, feel free to do so, but do a search first.
The model specific forum is more for facts about integras than opinions.